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Some thoughts on Zune 2.0

So I wrote up a pretty thorough update on the new Zune devices last night but I'd like to chime in with some off-the-cuff thoughts this morning that are based solely on a single Microsoft briefing and some press packet photographs.

I like what they're doing. As a reviewer, I feel like I'm often put in a position of complaining about things, and certainly, I can find issues with Zune 2.0, as I call it. But Microsoft is moving in a positive direction here. The new devices look nice. The new software can only be an improvement, and I like that the Media Center guys were involved. Ditto on the new online service.

Pure MP3s rock. It's that simple. Microsoft has immediately obsoleted Apple's non-DRM AAC tracks. Dead and buried.

Podcast support. It's nice and it's overdue. But as a reader pointed out this morning, the best part of this is that Microsoft's isn't doing something lame like calling them netcasts. They're podcasts. Name be damned.

International support? Not this holiday season, sorry. Microsoft has plans of course. They're not talking.

Transcoding stinks. I don't like having two copies of the same movies and TV shows on my system, and it takes a long time. In the case of recorded TV shows from Media Center, obviously, those ginormous files need to be translated into something more manageable, so that makes sense. But my understanding is that Zune 2.0 devices will natively playing 640 x 480 video (and below) without requiring transcoding, as does the iPod. This is a huge improvement over the previous generation Zune. (Which, BTW, I don't believe will ever support 640 x 480 video playback, even after the 2.0 firmware update.)

TV shows and movies. While I sort of get that Microsoft wants to do its own thing with the Zune, allowing the device to work with Amazon Unbox movies and other PlaysForSure (or whatever they're calling it this month) content would be huge. Access to a huge library of TV shows (and a decent library of movies) is a big advantage for the iPod. The Zune 80, in particular, is crying out for video. Speaking of which, Microsoft need a pure video device like the iPod touch. While they'll never make, of course, until they're selling a decent collection of video content and the market proves that such a device is viable. I want one.

Pricing. Microsoft is meeting Apple's prices across the board. Not good. Since the company is taking a bath on these devices anyway, Microsoft should undercut Apple. The Zune 4 and 8 should be at least $25 less than the nanos, and the Zune 80 should be $50 less. I know, it's crazy. But this is market share building time.

Community. As a crotchety old guy, the community stuff, and MySpace and Facebook integration, doesn't really speak to me. But then I'm not exactly the target market, and I have to applaud Microsoft's attempts at making it easier for users to discover new music. This is something Apple has utterly failed at: As successful as the iTunes Store is, finding new music there is almost impossible.

The anti-Apple contingent. In a very strange way, Microsoft is now in a position to take advantage of anti-Apple sentiments that are suddenly very prevalent throughout the content industries (music, TV, movies) and with consumers. I guess when companies get to a certain point size- or success-wise, there is a natural backlash. Microsoft experienced this with Windows (and to a lesser degree with Office), and now Apple is experiencing it with its iPod/iTunes/iPhone products. You never saw this kind of issue when Apple's most ardent fans made up a significant part of the user base. That's not the case anymore, and Apple hasn't handled it well at all. The question, of course, is whether Microsoft can make the Zune as successful in digital media as, say, the Mac is in the PC market. That's about 2.5 percent market share worldwide (tough to do when you only sell in North America as with the Zune) and 5 percent in the US. That figure is not just doable, it should be considered the first step. Though NPD says that the Zune has typically garnered about 10 percent of the market for HD-based players, my calculations suggest that Zune is running at about 3.5 percent of the total MP3 player market. (Is this accurate?) They need to do much better than that.

OK, I gotta head to the gym and ruminate over this stuff a bit more.

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boolean22 said:

I dare to say that this Zune will become a success. It already has a name, you know what they say: even bad publicity is good publicity.

I feel the reluctance makes certain gadgets a better-than-expected experience, since people who has low expectations on hightech devices get surprised on how well said devices perform...

The zune has an UI design that's screaming "I'm SO NOT an iPod... and there's nothing more pleasing to the eye than editorial-inspired design, rather than Web UI ripping"

As a designer I truly see this beast is awaking, slow but inexorably.

Great site, Paul.  

October 3, 2007 10:23 AM
 

pthurrott said:

Thanks.. Yeah, I really do feel this has a shot, whereas with the first version it was so ... eh. The software was horrible, especially. This could get interesting.

Thanks!  --Paul

October 3, 2007 10:33 AM
 

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vedichymn said:

I'm actually pretty pleased with the announcement as well.  30 gigs wasn't enough, although I really want to see more details on things like podcast support before I make a final decisions.

It's actually kind of shame they couldn't work something out that leveraged Xbox Live Video Marketplace content or something, that's a pretty decent source of legitimate video right out of the gate.

October 3, 2007 11:16 AM
 

kellymjones said:

"I like what they're doing" -- The new Zunes are definitely better looking and sleeker. The old zune 30 was clunky looking,  but felt fairly substantial. Backporting the Zune software is a good idea and will help preserve consistency across models. I'm disappointed that there isn't wireless access to a music store. The biggest advantage of the Zune could be wireless, but instead it only provides "squirting" to non-existent Zune buddies. At least the new wireless sync feature is useful. Squirting might be useful someday, but not yet. The wireless capabilities have been squandered for a year now. Ugh.

"Pure MP3s Rock" -- I'm not so sure about that. DRM free is great. As long as I can copy a music file to a different device and play it anywhere, then I'm happy. Non-DRM AAC is pretty standard, but I don't know if Apple threw some monkey wrenches in there. What's the bit rate of these MP3s? If it's very low then I'm not as happy. The big story is one million DRM-free songs. Hopefully it catches on.

"Podcast support" -- agreed.

"International Support?" -- hopefully soon.

"Transcoding Stinks" -- Bobbie Bach talked about the lack of integration. Microsoft has a real opportunity to make all this stuff work across PCs/Smart Phones/Zunes/Xbox/etc.. Playback and location is something I'd rather not worry about. Microsoft used to talk about Windows on every desktop. How about my data/video/music anywhere on any device?

"TV shows and music" -- Basically the same as above. Make it work everywhere and create a huge library.

"Pricing" -- Agreed. While I like my Macbook, I can understand why my brother bought a lower cost PC notebook for his son who started college this year. There's no reason this can't apply to the Zune as well.

"Community" -- ditto. I'm a 40-something and I don't relate, but it's obviously something that is important to a different demographic.

"Anti-Apple contingent" -- I don't see it yet. However, if somebody brings out something obviously much cooler AND practical, there could be some mind share shift. In the end I don't think the anti-apple contingent makes much difference.

-Kelly

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joe-dokes said:

"Pure MP3s rock. It's that simple. Microsoft has immediately obsoleted Apple's non-DRM AAC tracks. Dead and buried."

What????

Let's see, Every Zune is being sold with support for AAC which is really just .mp4 the successor to .mp3.  Sandisk is support .mp4 even some sony products are supporting .mp4.  Yet you claim .mp4 is dead and buried?  Fully, 90% of all portable media players support the format versus what 10% to 20% of .wma.  

Second, .mp4 is a superior codec to .mp3 for that matter so is .wma. So you are categorically misusing the term "obsolete."

Simply put, WMA is dead and buried.  NO ONE is encoding in WMA, except the shills still pushing Plays for Sure, and MS that is holding onto its own proprietary DRM version for the Zune.

Regards

Joe Dokes

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October 3, 2007 4:50 PM
 

cesjr said:

"Microsoft is now in a position to take advantage of anti-Apple sentiments that are suddenly very prevalent throughout the content industries (music, TV, movies) and with consumers."

You're right that the media companies don't like apple, because apple is trying to hold down prices and is doing its best to fight for reasonable usage rights and even bring about the end of DRM.

The second part about consumers becoming more anti-Apple has no basis in reality.  I guess you're referring to blogger backlash about the iPhone lockdowns.  But real people don't give a crap about this kind of stuff.  They just want a product that works (or is fixed quickly if there's a bug).  Apple is providing that, way better than MS does.

October 3, 2007 8:58 PM
 

lookmark said:

I won't confuse a recent buzz of discontent among the tech-literate w/r/t the iPhone 1.1.1 update - basically, Apple taking their new toys away - or Apple's struggles with the content companies with any kind of groundswell of anti-Apple sentiment among mainstream consumers.

Visit an flagship Apple Store at just about any hour, or keep an eye on rising Mac and overwhelming iPod ownership among kids in college - Apple's image as cool and desirable remains very, very strong - if not getting stronger.

Also - non-DRM AAC tracks are  "dead and buried"?  Wha?  You haven't even begun to explain this one.  People don't care about formats - AAC is a pretty good one, actually, though MP3 w/ a good encoder is fine too - they care about DRM.

I agree the Zune 2 looks much, much better.  IMO, they did just about everything right this time - the design looks nice, and the features much improved -  save possibly the late introduction.  Mid-November is cutting it close for the holiday season.  

Anyway, people who *do* have an aversion to iPods or Apple products finally have a real integrated player + software alternative... and that's a good thing.

October 4, 2007 6:59 AM
 

peterkirn said:

Yeah, Paul, I'm with the others here -- why slam AAC? MP3 works, too, at higher bitrates, no question, but AAC does have a better ratio as far as sound quality / size. I think what's nice here is the Microsoft is embracing the latest and greatest formats -- so on video, finally having H.264 and MPEG-4 is terrific. Now, if they added OGG / FLAC support... ;)

But am I the only one here thinking that the way Microsoft could really become an antidote to the Apple juggernaut is opening up Zune to developers? The OS is clearly capable of doing it. And the Starbucks deal, while it's a cool idea, ought to send a chill up people's spine as far as what it suggests: a future where Apple controls music distribution.

By opening Zune to developers, Microsoft could leverage what it's done with Windows, Xbox, and Windows Mobile, and let others differentiate. Imagine a last.fm app for Zune, for instance. I mean, what's Microsoft's goal here: to have tight control over their device, and a tiny sliver of the market, or a looser leash that lets them really start to steal thunder from Apple?

I'm not the only one, right?

October 4, 2007 10:19 AM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

I have to agree with you Paul on the anti-apple sentiment. After falling in love with the iPod, I was very very close to purchasing a Mac. I'm still debating it. However, with them bricking the iPhones in an anti-competition way, it makes me weary about buying Apple products. If the phone is mine, why can't I add the programs or content I feel is relavent, when I could do the same in Apple's OS-X?

I'm not an Apple hater nor am I their biggest fan. I just feel that Steve Jobs needs to back down just a lil bit. Its this aggressive possessiveness that keeps Apple from truely being a mainstream computer company. He keeps people from modifying their iPhones, doesn't allow OS-X on PC's, and keeps prices pretty high for their products.

Until I see a change in Apple's demeanor, I will hold back on an Apple purchase and just download the free Darwin OS that Apple practically gives away.

October 5, 2007 4:27 PM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Paul,

The Zune gets closer to what I would call a buy. I do think the Zune should feature an HD-Radio tuner, that would make it more relavent. Also a browser would be a nice addon.

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