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My x64 nightmare begins (Updated)

I've been planning for a while now to do something around the time of Vista's one-year anniversary in early November, but since I've gotten a number of emails lately about this topic, I thought I'd mention the biggest part of it here: I want to reevaluate the x64 versions of Vista now and see if they're any more viable than they were a year ago. So today I wiped out my main desktop (on which I installed the 32-bit version of Vista Ultimate 32-bit in early December 2006) and installed Vista Ultimate x64.

The good news: It's actually much better. Virtually all of my hardware was recognized immediately and a surprising amount of my usual software installed flawlessly.

The bad news: Problems remain. Some are critical. Among them are...

iTunes. It actually does install and work. But none of my iPods will work at all, and iTunes displays a dialog asking for a 32-bit Windows version. UPDATE: I started getting weird error messages about CD import and burning not working, did a bit of research, and then downloaded a file called Driver_Installer_AMD64_EM64T.exe, which appears to have the proper x64 optical drive drivers that iTunes needs. Apparently, Apple borked this in the latest iTunes versions (go figure). NOTE: I cannot guarantee the safety of this file, but it is working for me and didn't trigger any malware sensors. I will keep testing, of course.

iPod UPDATE: So the phrase "none of my iPods" above is not technically correct. After installing the patch noted above and repairing iTunes, I plugged in my iPod classic and it worked. The iPhone and iPod touch continue not working, but I will test other iPods today. Perhaps all non-touch/iPhone iPods would work. That's not wonderful, but it's better than "none."

Windows Live suite. The installer refuses to install any of the applications. Apparently there is a workaround out there somewhere, and I've heard that Microsoft intends to support x64 with the final release.

IE add-ons. Specifically Flash, which has caused some WMP crashes as well, because Movielink requires it. My guess is that this should actually work. Not sure what's going on there.

There's a few more, but that's the gist of it for now. Any thoughts? 

Comments

 

Cfischer83 said:

--iTunes. It actually does install and work. But none of my iPods will work at all, and iTunes displays a dialog asking for a 32-bit Windows version..........

Any thoughts? --

Get a Zune? ;o)

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

October 10, 2007 8:56 PM
 

mdsharpe said:

Ditch iTunes, use the workaround for Windows Live, and I'm pretty sure Flash does work.

I personally don't own a 64-bit PC, so I can't comment from personal experience, but my brother has 64-bit Vista Ultimate on his PC which he uses to play the latest games all the time, and I don't think he's ran into any problems for months.

October 11, 2007 2:12 AM
 

frazell said:

I have been running Vista 64bit for almost a month now with no major issues... I don't use iTunes so I can't comment on it...

In regards to IE Addons, are you lauching the 32bit or the 64bit version of Internet Explorer? The 64bit version does not support Flash simply because Adobe hasn't rolled out a 64bit version of Flash. If you run the 32bit version of IE you shouldn't have any problems with Flash or any other IE addon; I haven't.

October 11, 2007 4:10 AM
 

pthurrott said:

Thanks to all. I'll be updating this post in a moment, but a few thoughts...

Cfischer83: I will absolutely be getting a Zune (2). Time will tell if this can replace the iPod, but the point here is that I do use iPods now, as do millions of other people, so it should work.

mdsharpe: I've only tried Half-Life 2 Episode Two so far on x64 but, yes, it works fantastically. That's good news, because gamers are the types who would gravitate towards x64.

frazell: I tried both IE versions, but there's something screwy going on. I agree this should just work.

October 11, 2007 7:10 AM
 

Khayman said:

I've been running x64 Vista since it came out, and before that XP64, both with very little trouble.

I did have some issue originally with my SATA RAID hard drives, but i sorted them out after a few hours fiddling.

Almost everything else works fine, except the occasional small freeware app. Even itunes works fine, syncs with the pod no problems.

As mentioned things like half life 2 have native 64bit support and work great

October 11, 2007 8:26 AM
 

Waethorn said:

Paul, i'm experiencing troubles in IE7 under Vista x86 (32-bit) with the latest Flash plugin causing it to close when multiple windows are open.  Usually one or two open tabs are fine, and YouTube seems to work with a few, but it seems to be mostly sites that use Flash-based ads that cause the problem.  It only seems to result with several tabs (8 or more) each with Flash ads.  Maybe it's some kind of memory leak or something (?)....

Even on WinInformant, the Flash-based ads cause it to crash when multiple tabs OR windows are open.  I usually get the error along the lines of "A plugin has caused an error, and as a result IE has to close", with FLASH9b.OCX causing the issue.

I keep thinking that Adobe's programmers are as inept with Windows Vista as Apple's....the whole debacle around CS2 apps and forced upgrading is at least slight proof of that.

MVP's on the forums did in fact say that Microsoft "announced" x64 support on the "Live 2.0" launch.  Expect another beta closer to launch that includes it.  The same was true with OneCare 2.0 beta - the original public beta didn't have x64 support but now it does.

October 11, 2007 12:50 PM
 

Yawn! said:

Way too funny!  

Almost as funny as blacks are minorities and whites are the majority.   Go figure!

October 13, 2007 12:44 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"Almost as funny as blacks are minorities and whites are the majority.   Go figure!"

can't post enough non-sensical claptrap on WinInfo, now you've got to come here....

October 16, 2007 12:30 AM

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