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Thats amusing. Whenever I deal with macboy's I find a lot of irony whenever they go on their rants only to embarassed by fact or reality.

I think its almost like how Bill Gates and Steve Jobs carry themselves. Amongst his own, Jobs is a disingenuous salesman lying about his competition and poking fun at  it. When he's around Bill Gates, he shrinks back to size while Gates remains as he always is a true statesman.

iTards act like D-Bags for a reason.

Nice link to a purposely vague piece of FUD on Leopard 'Blue Screens'. Some balky 3rd party piece of software, APE, is causing a number of Macs, which of course is an unknown, during the Leopard upgrade to hang, and this gets reported as "an alarming rate". Anyone could have APE installed, but if you do, you should know better than to attempt the straight Leopard Upgrade procedure and instead do an Archive and Install.

As for the PC icon, Paul should stop being so cranky. Apple was not going to license a Windows logo to put in Leopard, and the CRT Blue Screen of the Windows 95 era is a bit of fun poked at Microsoft, an obvious joke. But then that was the whole point of this post, to make sure Apple got theirs.

I saw this posted on slashdot along with an intelligent discussion.  

Something completely lacking in your post.

As it turns out, most of the problems related to the upgrade revolve around APE and their "application enhancer"  If those upgrading had bothered to either do 1 a clean install, or 2 and archive install most of these problems would have been avoided.  The key problem seems to be that the application enhancer  is essentially a hack of the opperating system and is not supported by Apple.  Further, in Apples own documentation of known issues they state clearly that APE users will have problems with 10.5

Would I have enjoyed a upgrade that did not adversely affect anyones system?  Absolutely, but as all technology people realize the path to computing nervana is a bumpy one.

I ordered a new mac book pro the day 10.5 was announced and will upgrade it next week.  I consider myself a pretty savy computer user.  As a result I was dismayed when I read the "widespread" reports of problems with 10.5.  After doing further research I am less dismayed.  The problems appear to be limited to those with heavily modified machines.  I will of course practice safe computing, I've already backed up all my settings and data.  But, I don't see much a problem with the upgrade on my machines.

Regards

Joe Dokes

Calm down Paul, your bias is showing through.

Oh, whatever, Mac fans.  If Windows had an icon of a Mac showing a kernel panic or a "sad Mac" face, it doesn't take much imagination to know how the Mac fanatics would respond.

If Windows had an icon for a sad Mac face or kernel panic, hardly anyone would know what it was.

Even so, it would still be good fun.

This is particularly apropos:

www.flickr.com/.../1793806166

Yes I agree this is not very appropriate from Apple as they have they own share of kernel panics (even if very rare and most of the time due to third party hacks like its apparently the case with this APE enhancer).

weedmonk, can you make a smart post ever without iTard or other i-Insults in them ? It's boring after a while.

Childish and toally unnecessary, but that's the way Apple is.

And it's not like the blue screens on windows is caused by bad windows code, it's things like third party drivers, so blaming the Mac blue screen on third party software isn't really an excuse

I really don't see what's so childish about it.  I think getting pissed off about what is clearly a joke is childish.  Throw in the fact that we are talking about computers and it's downright ridiculous.   Personally, I like the little jabs between the two companies.  Unfortunately the fanatics on both sides are the ones who blow them out of proportion.  

Hansii, the difference between the two is drivers are necessary to run the hardware in your system while APE is a hack to add some kind of functionality that Apple hasn't built into the system.  Those who install APE (should) know that it's not supported and to use at their own risk.  The driver issue is a big reason why many Mac users choose Mac over Windows (it just works, etc).   It's not Microsoft's fault that 3rd party hardware vendors can't write proper drivers but it has been an unfortunate reality in the Windows world, especially in the pre-NT days.      

The makers of APE, unsanity, have updated their site to acknowledge that it is not compatible with Leopard.

www.unsanity.com/.../ape

As usual, Paul's got his facts wrong.  This is not affecting an "alarming number of users."  It's a few - and mostly techie group that install APE (I don't install this because it's really a hack Apple doesn't support).

I notice Paul's been too timid to put up a blog post for his Leopard "review"  Are  you afraid of the backlash, Paul?  If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

I don't understand apple fans.

They said the CRT blue screen thing is just a "joke", it's "a bit of fun", implying that who don't understand this are no sense of humour. Ok, then our Mr Thurrott and some readers are also making some jokes here, why don't you apple fans just laugh as you laugh at those Windows/PC jokes? where is your sense of humour this time?

And you start blaming it's the 3rd party causes problems. Fair enough, so next time when we making "jokes" on PC, let's not forget 3rd as well.

heran:

Except Paul was NOT able to take the Leopard icon as a joke ("Apple is so lame and so childish").  

Paul is free to dish out jokes when he's a big enough boy to take them.  

Something about buying a Mac....do peopel get a complimentary iLobotomy as well?

Its like they crawl out the woodwork every time something even slightly negative about Apple comes to light and bleat away trying to denigrate the writer and the facts.

Its never Apple's fault whens there a problem with the OS, but the role is reversed its always "M$'" fault whenevr something goes wrong in the windows eco system(i.e the world).

Calm down and stroke your mighty mouse suppositories macbois'....

Indeed, if MS had done this (say had a rotting apple represent Macs), the Mac faithful would have come out in droves decrying MS as the big bad company.  Apple does it and the Mac faithful call it playful jabs.

And much like the hysteria involving the massive problems with Vista, I'm sure the the truth about massive Leopard upgrades failing is likewise small.

Either way, all of the pro-Mac people here are proving Paul's point that he made in the review about even slight criticism of the beloved Mac OS or any Apple product will be met with harsh indifference and indignation from the Mac community.  The likes of Mossberg and Pogue are welcome to criticize MS any way they want, though.  Hubris indeed.

"Apple is so lame and so childish"

Paul... you're are acting like Steve Jobs personally called you a name and then stole your lunch money.  Not good for your rep as an Apple-basher and  slave to the Microsoft agenda.  Obviously anyone looking at this icon is using a Mac and is most likely therefore a Mac User... and therefore has chosen to not use Windows.  Nearly everyone will find it funny.  Many of those have done so to avoid that BSOD (yes, I know it's become less frequent ever since Windows 2000 and the NT kernel, etc, etc).

Still, your reaction is, as has been stated above, the only thing childish here.  I'd say I'm surprised, but your blog has always seemed to be a place for you to vent weird personal over-reactions to Apple.  Seriously, get over it. On our podcast, you don't come across like this kind of Apple-basher... why ratchet up the stupidity here?  Traffic?

Never mind the whole fact that your core idea is based on false information (Leopard doesn't contain blue-screen inducing flaws, it's a third party unsupported OS hack to blame).  But why research when you can rant.

It sure doesn't help your continual criticism of "fanboys" when you react like the worst of them all.

Mossberg isn't fooling no one but the casual folk who don't follow technology. He's an avowed shill for all things Apple and Jobs. Jobs can literally walk on stage and pull down his pants take a giant dump and christen in "The iTurd" and Mossberg will call it 'Elegant".

His "reporting/reviews" look like marketing pieces straight out of Apple PR.

The Apple bias in the media is a given....I don't think any of these 'tech' journalists can form an if/else statement to save their lives. They bought a Mac in school so they could 'avoid' the 'hassle' of choice, now they shill for it because they no nothing better than what Jobs sanctions for their consumption.

I've been reading Paul for years and his mantra has always been, "I deal in facts, I check my facts and I'm accurate."  Yet, he routinely spins things to his own agenda, I and others call him on it regularly, sometimes he admits his errors sometimes he doesn't.  

He may admit that he made a mistake in calling this glitch in OS 10.5 was affecting "an alarming number of people."  He also calls the unix terminal work around, "insane."  By the way the "insane" work around is about three steps, one of which requires typing in three or four commands, that basically delete the APE hacks.  

In the case of OS 10.5 the problems with installation and the blue screen of death are affecting a very small portion of its user base.  Now compare this with Vista.  Vista has been available for a year now (at least for corportate users), and yet nearly half the machines being sold still have XP on them.  WTF?  Now all you MS apologists will whine and say, I've had Vista since Beta 2 and it has never crashed....  Yet, as Paul likes to say, "I deal in facts."  The fact is Vista has been a disappointment.  Any time a monopoly is unable to force its customers to their latest product says something about the product.  

There is a belief amongs those outside the Mac sphere that Mac users never criticize Apple products.  I beg to differ.  Go to any Mac centric website and read the forums.  They, the Mac community routinely blasts Apple about even the smallest flaws.  Go to the Apple forum and read the posts, Apple users are not afraid to blast the company for a problem.  

Finally, weedmonk simply put you're not funny.  Further, terms like iLobotomy simply make your comments irrelevant.  Insults can be funny, witty, or even charming.  Yet, yours are just drivel.  I imagine that you are about 14 and sitting at your computer in your parents basement.  Now if that's the persona you wish to portray, good job.  Otherwise knock it off, you may actually have some constructive criticism for Apple fans, but you'll never make your point with such methods.

Regards

Joe Dokes

The responses from the Mac fans, even to this very article... QED.  When one enters the Apple reality distortion field, are the irony- and hypocrisy-blind goggles compulsory?

I give Apple heaps of extra credit for being able to grow sales despite their inferiority complex and arrogance and their obnoxious fanatics.  Amazing feat, indeed.

I'm not here to amuse you Dokes...just hear to read Pauls work and comments whenever it damn well pleases me. Pointing out the the presence of macboi's isn't hard, its like a pungent fart....you can't escape it.

Man,  you gotta love the ignorant, content-free zealotry being spewed in these comments.  I'll never fully understand why hardcore Windows users choose to have so much hate for the small minority of users that pick the Mac.  God.  It's as if the existence of an alternative that other people prefer invalidates their personal self worth.  How about some of you Apple-bashers trying a response with some logic or content?  You know, something specific regarding this post and the specific criticisms of it.

This particular post of Paul's is an sad combination of ignorance and bile.  First he goes off the deep end criticizing Apple for this silly little icon in OSX... then he spends a paragraph groping around in the dark for his own ass about this Leopard blue screen.  

Once again... the leopard bluescreen has been identified as the exclusive result of an unsupported, third-party hack.  Precisely 0% of it is Apple's fault or the fault of Leopard.  Certainly there are bugs in the OS, but anyone that wants to be taken seriously should focus on real ones with their inane criticism.

Therefore, Paul's entire point is based on false information.  Why is that so hard for you Apple-bashers to understand?  Paul just screwed up on this one. Period.

"I give Apple heaps of extra credit for being able to grow sales despite their inferiority complex and arrogance and their obnoxious fanatics."

You really shouldn't.  People that aren't Windows zealots (in other words, the ordinary, non-geek users switching from windows to the mac in significant numbers today) don't think Apple is arrogant or has obnoxious fans.  They don't read sites like this one, or computer blogs in general where mac fans even post.  They think that when apple is plugging it's products and making a comparison to a competitor's product, that's just advertising and you take it with a grain of salt.  It's kind of common sense, but then windows zealots like Paul get all bent out of shape whenever Apple does this.  It's just marketing and he should chill, but then he's got an inferiority complex when it comes to the mac.

It is inferiority cesjr....ever see anything on PC side advertised with the catchline "its so much better than the Mac". The whole cult of mac is based on this mac vs PC bubble that doesn't exists.

Jobs said it best when he said PC wars are over and that MS won that a long time ago. But since MS bailed out Apple and he got some fire with iPod, Jobs' back to to his old snakeoil salesman ways.

Paul is the few out there who endure the wrath of both sides.

I am more of a Mac/Windows hybrid guy, but my long many years of experience with PC's have shown that the BSD is mostly caused by hardware failures, not Windows. Also, it's been proven that Leopard was not the cause of the Mac BSD as it was APE. However, weedmonk is pretty hilarious if you ask me as a Mac user. I spritzed on my LCD screen at the iTurd joke. Even some Mac guys [much more manly than Justin in the commercial of course] can take a joke. I think that we should be on a TV show. Can we call it Apple TV? NO, as Apple would sue us. PS, I know that Paul is going to catch me on this post by realizing that the BSD  hardware failures were mostly on PC's that I personally built.:)

Bluvg,

As stated before, sometimes Paul is just wrong.  His criticism of OS 10.5 is incorrect, the problem lies in a hacked piece of software.  Are we supposed to let his blatant inaccuracies go with out comment?

Should someone wait to update to 10.5?  Yes, as I stated I ordered my new Mac Book Pro the day 10.5 was announced, why? because I new that it would come with a WORKING 10.4 and I could buy 10.5 for $9.95.  Thus,if there were serious issues with 10.5 I could wait until the first big patch comes out sometime next month.  This is just prudent.  

As far as hypocracy, Windows Fans are about the worst.  I don't know how many times my windows friends have called my mac a toy.  Excuse me? Toy?  OS X is the most popular version of Unix in the world.  Yet, I'm sure people will continue to call Mac users people who play with toys.  Or better yet, another common comment about mac users, "They have to use a computer because they are stupid, or unintelligent.  Well again little things like facts get in the way, the average Mac user has both a higher level of education than that of the PC user and a higher income as well.

Weedmonk,

Yes, us fanboi's are all just like a fart in a space suit.  If that were so true, a gentle comment would be far more powerful.  To paraphrase Steve Jobs, Weedmonk, you just don't have any style.  I mean 'cmon, the best that you can do is iTurd, iLobotomy?  Listen I know that you are really upset that you went out and bought a Zune with the hopes of squirting a song to some hottie down at the coffee shop where you download porn from their free WiFi setup, but were dismayed to find some guy in a pair of black jeans saddle up to the girl and actually speak to her.  Then he had the gall to pull out a white ear bud and share it with her.  

The true irony of Paul's comments about Apple and the upgrade to 10.5 is made more funny by his comments about Windows Vista 64 Edition.  See comments here.  www.winsupersite.com/.../winvista_1yr_x64.asp  He basically says in a nutshell last YEAR vist 64 wasn't ready for prime time.  A YEAR later it still has some rought edges but most users might find it adequate.

Regards

Joe Dokes

"I'll never fully understand why hardcore Windows users choose to have so much hate for the small minority of users that pick the Mac."

I think most Windows users couldn't care less... even the hardcore ones.  It's only because the small minority of Mac zealots have been so vocal, so obnoxious, so combative, so full of double-standards, hypocrisy, and even lies... that a situation like this warrants a comment... i.e., "shut the heck up."

"People that aren't Windows zealots... don't think Apple is arrogant or has obnoxious fans"

To quote Homer, "Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?"  You've gotta be kidding!

I'm hardly the only one that thinks Apple has arrogant or obnoxious fans.  Not only have I dealt with it intimately while on the IT side of a large 50/50 Mac/PC shop, even some of the more sane Mac fans are saying it, e.g.:

www.applematters.com/.../8-reasons-windows-users-dont-switch

"Mac Users" are one of the top reasons Windows users don't switch.

I don't think Paul needs to have an inferiority complex (nor do I think he has one) by any means.  As Eric Traut (an NT Kernel lead) said recently, based on all the feedback Microsoft gets, the Windows core is plenty stable and robust--so much so, that it is more reliable than most of the actual hardware (including many servers) on which it runs.  It's designed by the same team that designed VMS, so that fact shouldn't exactly come as a surprise.

I don't think the point here is schadenfreude... it's more that Apple fanatics can't see their double-standards/hypocrisy... ever.  When the "shoe" is on their foot, the terms change... "it's not Apple's fault," "c'mon, it's a 3rd party app," "it's a known incompatibility," yada yada yada.  I think the comments here only prove the point.

"ever see anything on PC side advertised with the catchline "its so much better than the Mac". The whole cult of mac is based on this mac vs PC bubble that doesn't exists."

It is yet to be seen because it is yet to be seen a single article or review out here on the internet that dares to say that Windows is technologically better or more user-friendly than os X...

The difference between blindfolded people like you weedmonk  (maybe you abused it too much !) and Mac users who read this blog, is that nearly all Mac users out here are also frequent Windows users. I use Windows exclusively at work, and Mac OS at home and I'm quite a tinkerer so I know what I talk about. I doubt that you ever had the courage to give OSX a shot as your main computing platform just to enlarge your computing experience and to at least assert what some people from Microsoft like Paul want to make you think (talk about reality distortion field...!).

Too bad, you'll never know what it is to use a computer and feel 100% in control and safe right out of the box, without 3rd party crippling sofwares, and have an OS that still performs as well 5 years after installation and that runs like a champ on 6 year old hardware (yes with all the fancy visual effects you can expect)...

You know I don't deny that Vista gets the job done and that Microsoft didn't deliver a great piece of Software, as well as I don't deny that Apple has some nasty practices and that Jobs is an *** with genious visionary talents and a enormous reality distortion field, but it's sad seeing people like you totally missing the point because you never actually got a chance to test OSX in the long run... You know boot camp or Parallels can ease you transition if you want to give  it a try. You can only be smarter at the end.

"It is inferiority cesjr....ever see anything on PC side advertised with the catchline "its so much better than the Mac". "

You might not know this, but it's Marketing 101 that the market leader does not do comparison ads.  They just bring attention to the alternative and it looks bad when the bigger player beats up on the smaller one.  When the smaller player says I'm better, most people don't get offended because in general people like an alternative and they like to root for the underdog.  

Of course it's a different issue with Windows zealots and Apple's ads because they can't stand the idea that apple is better in anyway so the ads are really galling to them.  Most regular people simply don't have that reaction.  

Paul, if you really want to shut me up about the upgrades [most Mac users will not upgrade], write a review or blog post when some data comes along, regarding Leopard [or Tiger] upgrade vs Vista, trying to find the percentage, or rough estimate if possible. Anyone who claims that it is a anti-Apple jab can be directed to my post [request]. I still think that I am correct, but I have no data. I am only relying on personal experience of friends and myself. It make make for interesting journalism.

By the way, as usual for a complete and good review of OS X go to Ars Technica:

arstechnica.com/.../mac-os-x-10-5.ars

Siracusa's article are still considered as the most exhaustive and objective out here.

And yes as he points out weedmonk, and as I always aknowledged OS X is great but far from perfect... (but still so much fun to use daily)

""Mac Users" are one of the top reasons Windows users don't switch."

You've done a survey?  Or did that just come out of your rear end?  Again, most people simply don't care about this fight.  It's between hardcore mac fans and hardcore windows fans.

"When the "shoe" is on their foot, the terms change... "it's not Apple's fault," "c'mon, it's a 3rd party app," "it's a known incompatibility," yada yada yada."

Actually the issue is not so much it's a third-party app, but rather it's something that's a hack.  Installing this type of thing is a bad idea, as this experience shows.  I never installed APE on my macs.

"As far as hypocracy, Windows Fans are about the worst."

I think Paul gives Leopard and Apple plenty of credit... he always is complimentary of many of the things Apple does.  What is it with you guys?  Do you just gloss over those parts and just zero in on the criticism, then go on to bash something vaguely related in Windows?  You can't see why people make the "inferiority complex" comments?

"I don't know how many times my windows friends have called my mac a toy.  Excuse me? Toy? OS X is the most popular version of Unix in the world."

Well... I never said such a thing (I definitely wouldn't call OS X a "toy"), but at the same time, it's a bit nonsensical to cast the blanket "UNIX" over OS X, as if all *NIXes are the same.  The BSD-on-Mach architecture has some pretty well-documented deficiencies, and even the implied notion that UNIX is somehow the be-all, end-all of computing is seriously flawed.  The way many tech reporters and users throw around the term UNIX makes me think we have some very poor computer science education issues in our industry and at large.

Also, the comment about higher education, higher income... that's uncalled for, I think, not to mention elitist... which is another common complaint about Mac fanatics.  Besides... if you think a higher income means those folks have better computing skills, let me introduce you to a few wealthy friends. ;)  

Hey, if someone has a preference to use a Mac, fine, good, go for it.  That's not the issue here.  It's the double-standards, the hypocrisy, the lies, the inferiority complex, etc. that so often (unfortunately) go along with Mac users.  Not all, but sadly a lot.

"You've done a survey?"

Uh, why not look at the article.  I didn't say it.

"Uh, why not look at the article.  I didn't say it."

It's one guy's opinion, backed up by nothing.  It's fine for people to say, "I'm not buying a mac because of mac users," but to say that's what's holding OTHER people back or most people or any significant number of people, you really kind of need some factual support for that.  LIke a survey .

"think Paul gives Leopard and Apple plenty of credit... he always is complimentary of many of the things Apple does.  What is it with you guys?  Do you just gloss over those parts and just zero in on the criticism, then go on to bash something vaguely related in Windows?  You can't see why people make the "inferiority complex" comments?"

Criticism is OK - as long as it's factually correct and well-supported.  Paul has no support for his assertion that the APE thing is affecting an "alarming number of users."  

Is it OK to criticize baseless claims, or are we not allowed to do that?  

So Paul can say two or three nice things and then he goes off on something that's incorrect, and we can't criticize him because he said those two or three nice things.

I though criticism is OK?  Or, wait, no, if you criticize then you have an inferiority complex?!

Here's your problem - you're too focused on what mac users are doing.  We're too critical, or we're liars, or we're hypocritical, or {add another sweeping, insulting generalization}.

Why not stick to the substance - if somebody's being hypocritical or inconsistent in their posts, point it out in terms of the substance of the debate.

Instead of going on this rampage where you take these broad potshots at some nebulous class of people, 99 percent of whom you've never even met.

In Paul's defense (sorta),

I've had numerous reasonable exchanges with Paul via email and he handles himself well in the Windows Weekly podcasts.  He comes across level headed in those two environments and so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that Paul is by-and-large a reasonable guy.

But his blog posts often portray an anti-apple bias that's simply impossible to deny.  This post is a shining example of Paul's lesser qualities in full display.  

I think the reality is, Paul knows many MANY people inside Microsoft on a personal level and so he has a very humanized outlook on Redmond.  But with Apple, Paul resents the style of Steve Jobs and his reputation.

The unfortunate thing for Paul, is that I think his priorities are simply DEAD WRONG.  He lambasts Apple as arrogant for putting in a funny little jab in their Windows file share icon... yet he seems to be far less irate about Microsoft's more arrogant and globally destructive behavior, like their complete corruption and abuse of the ISO in their effort to fast track Office Open XML format.

Maybe I missed his outrage over that particular bit of MS bullying, but you get the idea.

He simply holds Apple to some bizarre standard where reasonable, often effective marketing is considered some kind of affront to all computer users around the world.  I chat with him a few times a month and I still don't get it.

I think he just doesn't trust Apple because he doesn't know anyone there.  Pretty silly.

Over the past year I have been mulling over buying my first Mac based on my thoroughly positive experience with my many iPods over the past many years.

The entire iPod phenomenon, and recent Mac success is due to good products but the real trigger point was releasing iTunes for Windows which opened a huge market for the iPod.

I recently purchased an iPhone, and although I have generally liked the product, it has been a real eye opener into the world of Apple.  First, I have found the software quality to be very poor.  The iPhone frequently crashes from Safari, the iPod app, etc.  With recent firmware releases, improvements have been made.  However, as a software engineer, I would be embarrassed by releasing code with such poor quality and putting my name behind it.  Furthermore, the syncing situation on Windows is very poor.  The only calendar app that the iPhone will synchronize to is MS Outlook.  I have recently tried to switch to Gmail w/IMAP and ditching my MS Exchange account but doing so requires me to give up my MS Outlook license.  Why can't the iPhone sync with something freely available such as Google Calendar or Windows Calender (in Vista)?

I have just recently begun to believe that there is a certain arrogance inside the Apple organization where they are not paying appropriate attention to supporting Windows users of its iPhone product line.  Seeing this blog entry just confirms my suspicions and I have very little confidence that Apple will properly support and develop the iPhone platform for its Windows users.

I was about to dive all-in and buy a Mac, but this just confirms my suspicions and I will never buy another Apple product again.

This is not a jab at Windows users, it's an inside joke for Mac users. Obviously, in order to see these icons you'd have to be using OS X.

"Yes, us fanboi's are all just like a fart in a space suit.  If that were so true, a gentle comment would be far more powerful.  To paraphrase Steve Jobs, Weedmonk, you just don't have any style.  I mean 'cmon, the best that you can do is iTurd, iLobotomy?  Listen I know that you are really upset that you went out and bought a Zune with the hopes of squirting a song to some hottie down at the coffee shop where you download porn from their free WiFi setup, but were dismayed to find some guy in a pair of black jeans saddle up to the girl and actually speak to her.  Then he had the gall to pull out a white ear bud and share it with her.  ""

Repressed much? Lay of the degrassi junior high re-runs.

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chole:

"This is not a jab at Windows users, it's an inside joke for Mac users. Obviously, in order to see these icons you'd have to be using OS X."

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Again, if MS put such an icon in Windows, can you say that this is a "inside" joke because you have to be using Windows...? I would assume you'll be happy to accept that. Interesting. Oh, sb may want to tell me Macs are not widely/publicly used as Windows so this is indeed a "inside" joke, maybe I was wrong, isn't that Jobs and his fans want to sell more Macs? And this is how they show us?

"Obviously, in order to see these icons you'd have to be using OS X."

True, but it is a jab.  For an increasing market share OS, it means that more and more Mac users were previously on Windows, and have moved to the Mac.  Their interactions with the OS will drive their perceptions.  This little jab will be missed on many people.  To others, it will be a slap in the face, a totally unnecessary jab.  For a company that wants to increase sales and market share, alienating the largest user base is not the way to do it.  Any time that I have ever been even casually interested in an Apple product, it is the blatant fanboyism that turns me away.  

And like I mentioned before, if MS had done something like this, outrage would be widespread through the Apple friendly blogosphere and MSM.

"Then he had the gall to pull out a white ear bud and share it with her."

Wow, all this time I've been using pure personality.

"I mean 'cmon, the best that you can do is iTurd, iLobotomy?"

Hmm, and the best that most people can do is the tired and well used "M$".

I think both camps are capable of more than their fair share of pomp, hubris, lies, and double-standards.

Wow I actually can't believe that such a stupid post on something that is on top of that erroneous triggered that many comments.

Obviously it just irritated the Die-hard Windows user and only because Mr Paul pointed it, otherwise as said above, none of these guy would have run OSX and be offended. The avarage lambda windows switcher (who is rarely a windows die-hard) would have never noticed the icon and never bothered to this level of futility. Granted that is cheap humor from Cupertino, but it is one of these many easter-egg that gives a personnality to the OS and pleases the long-time Mac fan user.

Now cut the crap, windows and mac zealots are both as stupid, and there is no doubt that the most vociferous one hurts the image of the global mac community, but will only irritate the windows geek. I doubt that these guys prevented many people who wanted to switch to the mac to do so. All you windows advocate over here will never use a Mac anyway so what's the point of continuing that discussion ???

"All you windows advocate over here will never use a Mac anyway so what's the point of continuing that discussion ???"

Should ask yourself the same question.  If you are die-hard Mac user, why are you on a site that is called the SuperSite for Windows?

And a personality?  Since when was arrogance a suddenly acceptable personality trait?  And in all honesty, why should, or really how can a personality be bestowed upon a lifeless object/concept?  Last I checked only humans and certain animals are capable of having a personality.  And yes, I know I'm picking a nit here, and I understand what you are saying in essence.  However, as a long time Windows and previously, an Amiga/C64 user (which shares some parallels with the Mac user base), I have never assigned human traits to a computer.

"I was about to dive all-in and buy a Mac, but this just confirms my suspicions and I will never buy another Apple product again."

Riiiiight...you were about to buy a Mac, but a blog post about Apple's use of a BSOD in an icon made you swear off Apple products for life.

You'll pardon me if I take that comment with a very large grain of salt.

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Phew! A warm welcome to my regular readers, now that I've had the misfortune of being visited by the worst of the rest of the web's audience. I should have known that writing anything even mildly critical of Apple, or anything that appeared to be a Mac