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Does this explain Mac fanatics?

I read a fascinating article in The Boston Globe this weekend that, I think, actually explains Mac fanatics. First, a reminder: Mac fanatics aren't everyday Mac users. They're the minority fringe, the freaks, the people who respond violently to every article they perceive as anti-Apple or anti-Mac. They're bad people, libelous people, and as I've often argued, they do more to harm the Mac then help it. I suppose that's ironic. I'm sure that fact is lost on these people.

Anyway. The article in question, Grape expectations: What wine can tell us about the nature of reality, explains how expectations shape our direct experience of the world:

The findings have been surprising--did you know that generic drugs can be less effective merely because they cost less?--and it's now becoming clear just how pervasive the effects of expectation are.

The human brain, research suggests, isn't built for objectivity. The brain doesn't passively take in perceptions. Rather, brain regions involved in developing expectations can systematically alter the activity of areas involved in sensation. The cortex is "cooking the books," adjusting its own inputs depending on what it expects.

Even our most primal bodily sensations, like pain, are vulnerable to the influence of expectation. Tor Wager, a neuroscientist at Columbia University, gave college students electrical shocks while they were stuck in a brain-scanning machine. Half of the people were then supplied with a placebo, which in this case was a fake pain-relieving cream. Even though the cream had no analgesic properties - it was just a hand moisturizer - people given the pretend cream said the shocks were significantly less painful ... when the same people were informed that the cream was "ineffective," their prefrontal cortex went silent. Because people expected to experience less pain, they ended up experiencing less pain. Their predictions became self-fulfilling prophecies.

The article presents a number of examples of this phenomenon. Wine. Medicinal placebos. Generic medicine. Energy sports drinks. Colas. Automobiles. Using this information to explain computing preferences, thus, isn't a difficult leap. Here's my theory.

Mac fanatics are convinced that their beloved products are better. So they approach the Mac market differently than, say, I do. They put up with missing features on, for example, a Macbook notebook computer because they're predisposed to believing that it is superior regardless. So if there's no memory card ready, well, no problem. "If we think ... that a certain brand is better, then we will interpret our senses to preserve that belief," the article notes. "Such distortions are a fundamental feature of the brain." This also leads to more negative perceptions of non-Apple products. Consider the car analogy cited in the article: "When we drive a car with a less exalted brand name, we are more likely to notice minor mechanical problems." I point the reader to any Walter Mossberg review of non-Apple hardware or software as an obvious and high profile example.

That I'm as objective about Apple and its products as I am about Microsoft or any other company or product I cover must be frustrating to these people. When I criticize an HP Tablet PC, as I did recently in this very blog and on my podcast, I'm simply having a rare lucid moment. But when I criticize an Apple product, I'm a jerk. I just don't get it.

What's really happening is that I learned to resist the Apple reality distortion field a long time ago. It happened when I watched Steve Jobs deliver a nearly identical NeXT Web Objects speech, once to a Microsoft crowd and once to the home field. The realization that this guy was just like any performer ("Hello, Detroit!") was important. He's a salesman, and he'll warp reality to meet the product he's selling. Unlike many salesmen, of course, Jobs hits it out of the park pretty regularly. He's good at what he does, and Apple makes good products. But it's important to keep what he does in perspective.

In any event, as a reviewer, I try to understand how people will really use products. I don't review a product for me, I review it for you. And you. And you. Apple products are generally excellent, so this may seem like a sour grapes kind of thing (pardon the pun, given the article's title) unless of course you've seen the high scores I generally give to Apple products. (An inconvenient truth, indeed.) But it's really just an explanation. I think the people who love Apple a little too much are falling into the evolutionary trap described by this article. Fortunately, it offers some advice.

Scientists insist that consumers can take steps to protect themselves from their expectations. "Try to fact-check yourself," Shiv says. "Organize a blind taste test. Experiment with generic cold medicines, but don't let yourself know that they are generic. Decide how you feel about a pair of shoes before you look at the price tag." Shiv is convinced that this kind of self-experimentation can save consumers money. Instead of trusting big-name brands, or naively assuming that we always get what we pay for, consumers can learn to bargain hunt.

Rangel's wine experiment demonstrated the benefits of this approach ... When the tasting was truly blind, when the subjects were no longer biased by their expectations, the cheapest wine got the highest ratings. It wasn't fancy, but it tasted the best.

I'm flying to LA tomorrow for the Windows Server 2008 launch event and I'm bringing my two-year-old Macbook along for the ride. But it's running Windows Vista, not Leopard. Make of that what you will, but I see it as a good (not great) combination of the hardware and software I prefer. Yeah, I'd like to see a memory card reader on the thing, but I can put up with that. (The inability to upgrade this aging Macbook model beyond 2 GB of RAM is more of an issue.) But nothing is perfect. Even an Apple product.

Published Feb 25 2008, 09:40 AM by pthurrott
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solaranox said:

Paul... You do go on, and on with these posts about Apple fanatics.  Did you ever stop to think that this may be the reason why these people have such a problem with you?  I happliy use both Apple and Windows PCs...  I could care less about either one.  I just use whichever has the software I need to do what I want to do.

Yes, I see Apple fanatics out there...  But I also see Microsoft fanatics.  Who cares?

Why do YOU care so much about these people?

February 25, 2008 10:05 AM
 

Delmont said:

I don't understand the "Hello Detroit" comment.

February 25, 2008 10:23 AM
 

notawindowsuser said:

One of the first things that became very apparent when I switched from windows to OS X  about 4 years ago, was Windows fanatics, I had not noticed them as a window user, but for every Mac user, good or bad, there is a Windows fanboy out there just waiting to tell you that your the fanatic, and then to go on to spill gallons of digital ink trying to prove it so, a Paul.

February 25, 2008 11:11 AM
 

chickens said:

Can't you say the exact same thing about all fanatics? They do more harm than good. These are the people that outsiders hear and are scared of.

I manage both PCs and Macs and prefer the Mac due to the *NIX powering it. This is the best choice for me, but I do see the faults in the OS. Leopard is far from bug free and should be looked at in the same vain as Vista. They are both decent OSs, but have a ways to go.

I use XP on my systems due to the fact that I do not see the benefit of upgrading. This is because I use Windows primarily at work and need a real reason to upgrade. However I did upgrade to Leopard due to the fact that I use it as my home machine, I don't need to explain myself to the company for the expense.

Fanboys/fanatics of all ranges are scary and in my opinion should be ignored. If you stand in line for any product from a company then your opinion just went down a peg in my book. By ignoring the people on the outer cusp of sensability then you can really get the most out of anything. The problem is these are the vocal people.

February 25, 2008 11:18 AM
 

daveinla said:

So how would you explain windows fanatics then ? They buy not sexy commodity hardware, have to constantly deal with OS performance issues, third party software that won't uninstall, third party security product dilemma and still argue that they use the best Hardware/software combo ?? Despite the fact the 95% of the IT press names OS X as the best OS ever created (including PCmag), and Apple notebooks consistently rank among the best Windows laptop out here for the price ...

I think that like many chevy driver who never bought any BMW, they think that buying a BMW is just being snobbish and doesn't offer any performance, security or driving dynamics advantages compared to any car from Detroit.

A big part of them might just be counter reacting to the vociferous Apple fanatics out there...

February 25, 2008 11:59 AM
 

notawindowsuser said:

"The problem is these are the vocal people."

No more vocal than Paul is being with this article, the reference article is not about Mac users or any other kind of brand or group of people, its about consumers, it's Paul that has turned it into a them-v-us type of thing, but the article says that we all think this way, and as there are fanboys on both sides of the fence, how can you point your finger at one group and not the other? and then go on to say your point of view is balanced?

The reason I believe is that, as I said before as a Window user you only see the Mac fanatic, and as a Mac user, only the Windows ones.

February 25, 2008 12:00 PM
 

daveinla said:

"it's Paul that has turned it into a them-v-us type of thing"

It's true indeed. I read many computer and gadget website and blogs daily, some mac-oriented, some windows oriented like this one, some more generalist; but I have to say the despite the fact that Paul is entitled to the right to prefer Windows over OS X, is the only writer who constantly is obsessed with this Us vs. Them thing, always pointing fingers at the Mac fanatics. I don't see the equivalent behavior on Mac oriented sites. BTW a Mac fanatic is not necessarily a Mac Zealot. I consider myself as a Mac fanatic as I lust most of their products, like their laptops and OS X, but hate many of them too like iPhoto, the previous generations mouse. I don't even own an iPhone or an iPod touch despite the fact that I find them super sexy great products. I am also very critical with the control freakiness of Jobs and his personality, but hey, he knows how to run the greatest computer/electronics company in the US.

I think Paul tend to put Apple fanatics like me and Apple zealots in the same bag though...

One thing Paul does well though is review products, and give the credit to Apple hardware for being usually well designed. Even if most of the times it takes him much longer to fall in love with Apple hardware than MS' ones ! Cf iPhone or iPod or PS3 review vs. Zune or Xbox reviews, even if the latest products are far inferior in design and engineering compared to the former products, but as a MS employee, you can't blame him.

I think that Paul should put an end to these stupid finger pointing post that does nothing but prove his bias and trigger a never ending reaction of the mac crowd. maybe he likes it after all.

February 25, 2008 12:51 PM
 

theCheez said:

While it's true that Paul probably does point the finger to the Mac zealots and what not a little too often he does have a point in the fact the he receives a lot of "apple bashing" complaints from fans of apple products, who are completely silent when he either gives a positive review of an apple product or bashes a windows/non apple one.

At least thats what I've observed as I've been reading his blog posts and reviews the last few years.

February 25, 2008 1:23 PM
 

pthurrott said:

solaranox: No, this is a chicken and the egg situation. I "go on and on" about these people because they're constantly after me.

Delmont: Sorry for the confusion. The "Hello Detroit" thing is a reference, of sorts to a Southwest Airlines ad where a band shows up at yet another concert and gives a shout out... to the wrong city. ("Want to get away for a while?")

notawindowsuser: Windows fanatics are almost non-existent. This is a myth. There are far more Mac fanatic trolls online than Windows fanatic. I'm not sure I've ever actually even met a Windows fanatic.

And yes, extremists of all stripes are bad. Absolutely.

daveinla: No one likes being pointlessly criticized. Forgive me for reading this article and thinking instantly of something relevant and related from my own industry. I thought I was careful to mention that this wasn't "Mac users" but the problem people who "Mac users" should be ashamed of as well.

theCheez: Thank you for actually getting it.

February 25, 2008 1:37 PM
 

cesjr said:

“Mac fanatics are convinced that their beloved products are better.”  “They're the minority fringe, the freaks, the people who respond violently to every article they perceive as anti-Apple or anti-Mac. They're bad people . . . .”

So everyone who bought a mac because they think it’s better is a bad person?  Wow, just wow.

I think this really shows what Paul’s "problem" is – he simply can’t stand anyone saying the mac is better.  He can say that apple makes excellent products.  But he reacts violently to any suggestion that the mac is “better” (for some things) – frankly, that speaks to there being something wrong with Paul.  Not mac fans.

“That I'm as objective about Apple and its products as I am about Microsoft or any other company or product I cover must be frustrating to these people.”

Paul is not objective.  He does criticize MS and windows based products, but he is much harsher on Apple and Apple products.  First of all, nobody is completely objective.  Second, Paul’s whole income derives from Windows – which makes it difficult if not impossible for him to be truly objective about MS and its competitors.

“What's really happening is that I learned to resist the Apple reality distortion field a long time ago. It happened when I watched Steve Jobs deliver a nearly identical NeXT Web Objects speech, once to a Microsoft crowd and once to the home field. The realization that this guy was just like any performer ("Hello, Detroit!") was important. He's a salesman, and he'll warp reality to meet the product he's selling.”

And so does Steve Ballmer.  In fact, Ballmer really is a salesman through and through.  That was his job for a long time at MS – head salesman.  Jobs is half salesman/half product developer -- in the sense that he really controls what products get developed, who develops them and to a large degree, what the products actually are.

Paul just whines that Jobs is “lying” whenever he’s selling (and stretching the facts).  For Ballmer – it’s OK when he tells a whopper.  This is another example of how Paul is not remotely objective toward MS and Apple.

“I think the people who love Apple a little too much are falling into the evolutionary trap described by this article.”

The “trap” or psychological phenomenon that Paul describes applies equally to windows users and Paul himself.  This is not some kind of phenomenon that only works on fans of one kind of computer.  Sorry.

February 25, 2008 3:57 PM
 

MaryW said:

""Windows fanatics are almost non-existent. This is a myth."

Oh cummon' Paul! Your kidding right?

Just go and read the comments on the blogs over at Cnet or Zdnet. Take a look at the discussions on the iPhone at Engadget or if you can stomach it try Digg! Take a walk through the leafy glades of the various Zune and Xbox forums.

I read a lot of stuff over at Zdnet (don't know why!) I am  amazed by the people who constantly pop up to trash Apple .... even on posts that have little or no connection to the company.

I have been reading your sites for a few years now and there is a reason that you 'think' there are no Microsoft fanatics. Which is that when you criticise the company or it's products you genuinely have some valid points and can make a good argument ... and a lot of these guys might agree with you. You sometimes have similar valid criticisms of Apple. However with Apple you are prepared to take things a step or two further. Sometimes you give logic a little twist, misunderstand the odd statistic, or just rely on the old "Microsoft's dad is bigger than your dad" argument .... and this will lead to commenters (like myself) trying to point out the error of your ways ; )

The ironic (and slightly sad) thing is, that you know what you are doing. And so does the whole of the tech web establishment. Blog stats looking a little weak? Start writing about Apple. Still not good enough? Start writing a little more disparagingly about Apple!

On a personal note, I have noticed that even though you sometimes cover some of the same Mac news on the WW podcast (as on your written blog posts) your comments sound less harsh. Funny how there is so much Apple talk on a Windows show.

PS. Thanks for leaving London ..... just the way you found it. Cheers.

February 25, 2008 4:06 PM
 

cesjr said:

Paul - "Windows fanatics are almost non-existent. This is a myth. There are far more Mac fanatic trolls online than Windows fanatic. I'm not sure I've ever actually even met a Windows fanatic."

I think we've all seen forum posts by people claiming that apple makes worthless overpriced trash, or that there's no benefit to an apple product, 100 percent of everything it does can be done as well on a windows PC, etc.  Saying Macs and apple products are just a "lifestyle" purchase - or based on "style" rather than substance, etc.

The mark of the true fanatic is someone that says, oh, that's just true.  The people who say that are just speaking the truth.  Is Paul now in that category?

February 25, 2008 4:13 PM
 

drylight said:

"That I'm as objective about Apple and its products as I am about Microsoft or any other company or product I cover must be frustrating to these people"

This was the funniest line of all. The amount of shots you take at Apple in this blog compared to Microsoft is so heavily tilted towards Apple that it's no longer funny. The same kind of cheap shots you take at Apple here are also possible for Microsoft. Yet if one looks at the daily news and blogs apropos Microsoft, and what you write about them here, you're obviously being extremely selective in not wanting to dint Microsoft too much. There are far more opportunities to make fun of Microsoft on a daily basis, and far more amusing mistakes and foul-ups on their part, why do they then not appear here?

Simple. You are a Microsoft fanboy. You make a living from it. You have a Windows blog, review all things Microsoft. You make a living from them. You have to be careful and not take too many shots at the Borg in Redmond. Why bite the hand that feeds you? Look at the title of your site: Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for WINDOWS. Not "Paul Thurrot's Technology Blog" or "Paul Thurrot's SuperSite for Hamsters". No. It's "Paul's Thurrott's SuperSite for WINDOWS". A life and living devoted to Microsoft products. If that's not the definition of a fanboy, I don't know what is.

February 25, 2008 4:56 PM
 

johnpapola said:

Jesus Christ, Paul.  This post is the reason rational mac enthusiasts, like myself, are irritated by how you approach us, our platform and the so-called "freaks" among us.  You know that I'm a weekly reader and listener, and that I'm willing and happy engage in real debate.  But this kind of post is just beyond the pale.  Here's why:

#1.  This is dripping with arrogance and condescension.  Here you are pointing to an article that describes how the human brain is inherently subjective based on expectations and in the same breath preaching that you, apparently alone, are "objective".  Talk about arguing against your own thesis!  

Clearly, you come at Apple products with a set of biases and expectations that are different than the ones you bring to your Microsoft reviews.  They're colored by your close contact with Microsoft's developers among many other things.  And yet, as with your latest podcast, you always sound so much more reasonable speaking with Leo than you do unfiltered on this blog.  Sounds like your real objectivity is only achieve with your biases are offset by someone who leans the other way.

#2. The use of this article, which spends a good deal of time talking about how identical products that are more expensive can be perceived as better, is yet another not-so-subtle dig at Apple as being heavily "overpriced".  Something that's provably false.  You may not have consciously linked to it for this reason, but that you did just highlights your other bias against Apple. (that they're "overpriced").

#3. Once again you use incendiary language against these "freak" mac users as if they are some special breed of zealot.  As if mac zealots are more hateful, more "bad, libelous people" than any of the other ignorant dorks trolling the internet.

I have news for you, Paul.  I've been on both sides and I can tell you that the Anti-mac Windows zealot crowd is as bad as it can get.  I can't count how many times mac users are taunted with homo-phobic screeds and other hateful language in forums.  If you'd spent some time reading tech forums as a Mac user, you'd know.  Are they worse than bigoted Mac zealots?  Maybe not in how they act, no.  They clearly outnumber Apple "freaks" by the same order of magnitude that Windows users outnumber mac users in general.

What makes Apple-bashers worse than Mac Zealots is that they are stomping on the platform with single digit market share with trumpeting a convicted Monopolist and wishing that the market offered NO choice at all.

#4 (and finally):  You're obsessed with the "Mac freaks".  No where else in do I find so many rants against Mac users from an otherwise solid commentator.  Seriously.  I like your stuff.  But you spend more time on calling out "mac freaks" than is reasonable or healthy.  Worst of all, it's just repetition of the same points.  No new info.  No examples of the latest hateful email that lead you to post.  It's as if there is a little splinter in your mind pestering you to taunt "mac freaks".

It's time to stop calling yourself "fair and balanced", Paul.  This is what pisses us off the most.  You clearly have biases and preferences and claiming to sit on high alone in tower of objectivity just makes you come across like a pompous jerk (which, judging from you podcasts, clearly isn't true).  

Anyway.  I'd really like to meet in person one day and have normal conversation about this stuff without the tonal schizophrenia between these posts and your podcast.  You seem like a good family man and a nice person and that's all that really matters in the end.  Just stop the flame bait.

February 25, 2008 5:08 PM
 

johnpapola said:

"Windows fanatics are almost non-existent. This is a myth. There are far more Mac fanatic trolls online than Windows fanatic. I'm not sure I've ever actually even met a Windows fanatic."

DUDE.  YOU ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH HISTORY AND REALITY.  TOTALLY.

As a former visitor of geek.com, I can attest that their Mac section was the victim of hundreds of vile, hateful pro-windows trolls bashing the Mac and it's users in the worst ways possible.  This has been true in many other sites as well.

Meanwhile, on these same sites, the articles that focused on Windows saw essentially ZERO trolling from Mac users looking to piss on Windows users.

And there's the difference.  Windows-loving Apple bashers seek Mac users out in articles about the Mac just to dump on us while Apple fanatics tend to stay in their world and bark when approached.

I agree that Zealots do their platforms image harm.  But the Mac is not alone or unique in it's Zealotry.  That you think it is is a very bad indication of your "objectivity".

February 25, 2008 5:14 PM
 

johnpapola said:

one more thing....

And don't even get me started on the idiocy and ignorance I've had to endure from anti-mac IT guys at Viacom and some broadcast facility machine-room dorks.  These hacks make their living fixing windows and are, by any account, hardcore windows fans.  They irrationally HATE the mac.  Or at least they used to....

This has all begun to subside now that OSX is so clearly and demonstrably superior to Windows.  Now, most real alpha geeks I encounter are already Mac users.  But, man, the garbage I've had to endure once I switched to the mac.  Utter garbage.

February 25, 2008 5:25 PM
 

cesjr said:

Paul -

another thing is that your fixation with "mac freaks" is ENTIRELY off-point.  I mean, let's disagree about issues.  Let's debate.  You think Apple products are X, we think they are Y.  We think you dinged something unfairly.  You think you're just getting the review right.  Great, let's duke it out.  We'll probably find out that both sides of the debate can be wrong, and the truth will come out .

BUT LET'S KEEP TO THE FREAKIN SUBSTANCE.  There is NO substance to an attack on any class of mac users.  How does a post about whether certain mac users are behaving or misbehaving advance our knowledge of tech issues?  It doesn't.

February 25, 2008 5:28 PM
 

johnpapola said:

In defense of Paul.  He's come down hard on Microsoft on many occasions and is by no means a shill for him (unlike Rob Enderle, who is a worthless hack).  

If he could just lose this chip on his shoulder about the fringe Mac users and start ignoring him like he should all zealots, he'd be better off.  Please Paul.  Stop writing these posts and lose the sanctimony.

Oh, and Paul, that Steve Jobs anecdote is kinda amazing to me.  Did you seriously think that Jobs' exceptional performances in his keynotes were anything other than a performance?  What do you think political stump speeches are?  This is salesmanship.  Jobs isn't a hypnotist.  He's just the best salesman of any tech company (probaby any company).  It helps that so many of these CEOs are so so horrible at presenting their products and ideas.    

February 25, 2008 5:34 PM
 

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February 25, 2008 5:58 PM
 

lookmark said:

Er, what's with the idea that loudmouthed, obnoxious zealots have an exclusive hold on one platform?  

Even the briefest visit to your local forum or message board that discusses anything Apple-related (e.g. Engadget, Gizmodo, Ars Technica) will see the moronic fanatics of both sides out in full force.

February 25, 2008 6:17 PM
 

DRWAM said:

I think that I have been a bad fanboy. Will you spank me JuryDuty?

February 25, 2008 7:13 PM
 

qquidd said:

Mac fanatics are the most lunatic of the entire bunch really.

As for Steve Jobs, he is a cheat. Here is how he cheated the Apple Co-founder, and I don't how many countless others. MAC fagboys eat *** and die.

knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/.../1903.cfm

February 25, 2008 7:51 PM
 

SPiotr said:

Nice job qquidd. You just tore Paul's post to shreds. And very eloquently, if I may say so.

February 25, 2008 8:05 PM
 

drylight said:

The extremely far stretch of trying to connect the dots between the original article and Mac Fanatics is quite laughable. Well, ridiculous really. Paul has officially jumped the shark.

February 25, 2008 8:30 PM
 

SpongyParts said:

The problem Paul,

is you usually distort the truth or just plain make stuff up. You are not a credible or reliable source when it comes to Apple products or Windows products for that matter.

One example:

www.roughlydrafted.com/.../ten-myths-of-leopard-8-no-hidden-new-features

"Innovation: Apple at Macworld vs Microsoft at CES cited how Thurrott described a recent Macworld to his Windows audience:

“Lost amid all the hubbub of CES was the start of Macworld Conference & Expo, which opened Tuesday with an unexciting Steve Jobs keynote. [...] All in all, Macworld was a rather boring affair."

In a sister publication he wrote of the exact same event:

"Jobs's Macworld address, widely expected to be an almost funereal event for an ailing company, instead turned into a tour de force celebration of technology, marketing, and sheer chutzpah [...]. Jobs also wowed the crowd and industry watchers with a slew of new product announcements, virtually none of which the rumor-savvy Macintosh online news organizations predicted."

Which one is it?

Read the rest here:

www.roughlydrafted.com/.../592E3270-32C8-4852-975C-162E788749CA.html

You just don't have any integrity & you won't gain any by blaming others for your own missteps & shoddy analysis. Quick, attack me with the tired Mac zealot moniker. It seems to me if you can't win a debate the easiest thing to do is not talk about the topic at hand...but, attack a group of people in a stereotypical way. Pretty professional.

February 25, 2008 9:18 PM
 

SpongyParts said:

Here's a few nuggets for all you "Mac zealots" to chew on:

www.google.com/search

What color is the sky in your world, Paul?

February 25, 2008 9:23 PM
 

Cfischer83 said:

Paul... assuming you've read this far and haven't given up traversing through the thread of Paul-ravaging from the very nut jobs of which you speak... here are some positive words ;)

I can't tell you how true this article is! I know a lot of mac users (actually, I'm one of them... but not a fanatic) who repeat the same things from the Steve Jobs handbook. It's like a disease that spreads... the first sign is calling an Apple product "sexy"... that's the first sign of Applitis.

Being a person who works on an XP machine (2.2ghz 1GB ram), Vista machine (1.9ghz 2GB of ram) and at work a Mac Pro running Tiger (Two 2.66ghz 5GB of ram) I can tell you that if OS X & Apple products were better they would have won me over... but I've ALWAYS been a rational thinker who has never been persuaded by advertising or peer-pressure (yes, I always 'just said no' ... ;) ... ). I don't find Windows perfect, but I certainly enjoy it more than OS X. I really don't understand what the draw is. As a matter of fact, my Mac has crashed more than any of my PC's have by a LONG shot! When I tell mac users about it they either make up some excuse or insist it's my fault. It's easier to navigate Windows, it looks nicer and you can do more with it... I seriously don't understand the draw of OS X. But that's me.

Now, I'm not saying all Apple products suck or are even bad. Heck, I own an iPod Touch and love it! However the simplicity that Apple goes for works great in an iPod... not so much in an entire computer OS.

Of course... Paul... you already knew this. I'm just agreeing with you, and being the closest thing out there to a "Windows Fanatic" as there is, I think I'm a pretty lucid and rational person.

The reason I feel for you so much in this blog is because I too feel like I'm being set up all the time! So often, an Apple fanatic will say something to me: "Vista, what a flop"... or "oh, how did MS copy this?" or, "We (mac users) know how to get things done and look good while doing it" ... and the moment you point out a flaw... for the sake of truth, not MS fandom... they turn it around on you and call you anti-apple, Microsoft shills etc... I feel your pain, Paul!

So what point am I trying to make? Well, you might think I want you to stop... but from my experience, stopping won't stop Apple fanatics from attacking you! So I say keep up the good work! The Apple nut cases out there will hopefully be weeded out some day, and the rest of us can engage in civil debate.

Sanity will prevail!

February 25, 2008 10:33 PM
 

Avro said:

Paul,

I read your blog and listen to your podcast each week and I am a Mac User through and through.  Windows Weekly is super and so is your Blog but you do gloss over some of the faults in Vista too much for your own good and antagonise those who prefer none Microsoft computing solutions such Macs and Opera.  

I have a MacBook and a PowerMac G4 (soon to be replaced by a Mac Pro) simple needs on the road but something more powerful for desktop use.  I do agree with you about sometimes Apple going for style over substance in products like the iMac - the shape dictates that the best graphics card could not be used.  But I think you have it wrong about the lack of a card reader in the MacBook.  I have had a couple of USB card readers and found the whole process an unnecessary pain in the backside.  My gorilla fingers are just not suited to take out a Compact Flash or even more so, an xD Card.  I prefer to leave the card  in the camera and synch with a USB cable.  For me it is considerably less hassle.

I do not really care for this discussion about Mac Fanatics.  Could the tone be a bit more civilized and we say Mac Enthusiasts?  I prefer OS X but I find both Windows XP and Ubuntu Linux to be worthy OS solutions too.

Windows Fantatics?  I have met more than a few, I like to call them the Windows Taliban "There is no OS but Windows" and they will brook no criticism of Microsoft or Windows.  Show up at work with a MacBook and out come the Cyber crucifixes "You are going to use that thing here?"  What are they afraid of?  A bit of variety is the spice of life.

Regarding the latest Windows Weekly, the reason we Brits say "aluminium" is  because that is the way we spell it and it is a bit easier to pronounce that way too.  :-)

February 26, 2008 12:49 AM
 

drylight said:

Cfischer83 and Paul. That's two delusional Windows fanboys and counting. The Windows user's inferiority complex prevails once again.

February 26, 2008 2:48 AM
 

Lindy said:

I just got my March Windows IT Pro mag yesterday.  After ripping out the ads, two thirds of the mag is gone.  When will it fold, and Paul loose that revenue stream??

I think Paul is reaching and trying to drum up hits for his blog that gets more ping backs than comments.

This post is so reaching and a so far off the mark.  I have been a MS user since DOS 3.3 and only last year got my first Macbook, because Vista and its horrible network problems turned me off so completely.

Yes there are the Apple lovers I would call them, "Freaks" is basically an insulting term drummed up to stir up things and get people to read this sad blog.  These Apple lovers are passionate to say the least.  I think their passion stems from wanting choice, and defending choice.

You are right Paul there are not MS fanboys.  No one really loves their products.  They are like the budwiser of software, generic as heck but on every shelf.  Apple is like a microbrew different not all over the place and sought after, not just chosen because its on the shelf everywhere.  There are no MS fanboys because they are called "MS apologists".  They have to constantly tells why we should stick with MS products.

As a recent switcher, I had to find answers to my questions.  I would go to forums, one of which is the forums at notebook reviews.  I would go into the Mac section.  Lots of good people there, lots of help for switchers.  I did notice something for the first time.  Occasionally MS apologists would come into the mac section to start a flame war?????  Most would just ask them to leave.  I would visit other multi platform forums that had a mac section and the same thing would happen, yet in all of my years on Windows side, I NEVER saw a Mac user come into a Windows only section just to start a flame war.

This kind of crap from the MS crowd looks far more childish and idiotic than anybody from the Apple crowd.

The poster with the google search link......that was funny.  The poster about not wanting to use the memory card reader I could not agree more.  Why open your slot on your camera and take out the memory card, insert it in a PC and then put it back.  Use the USB cable.  I have NEVER used my memory card readers in my PC notebooks.

Lastly Paul, the memory in your Macbook not being able to go past 2gig, is NOT an Apple problem its an Intel chipset problem.  If you have the 945chipset you can actually use 3gig.  This is the same thing on Windows notebooks with older Intel chipsets.  Apple wont officially support 3gig but it works fine, some even put 4gigs in the 945 chipsets even tho no OS will see it because the 2-2gig memory modules vs 1 2gig and 1 1gig support dual channel and helps speed up the internal intel graphics.

Besides if you did not run Vista on your Macbook, 2gigs would be plenty.

February 26, 2008 7:55 AM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"Why open your slot on your camera and take out the memory card, insert it in a PC and then put it back.  Use the USB cable."

Mobility.  Why carry a bulky cable when a slot in your laptop and card in your camera is all you need?  For a company that promotes simplicity, this certainly is contrary.

"I think their passion stems from wanting choice, and defending choice."

Same argument can go both ways.  Why is OS X tied to only one hardware manufacturer?  It is kind of odd that by wanting choice and being different, you are in fact limiting choice.

BTW, 2 GB is also plenty for Vista.

And really, if anyone needs any reference to what Paul is talking about, you really had to have been reading him for a long time.  Long before this blog there was a troll called "bonch" that was the ultimate epitome of a fanboy troll.  Every article would be littered with his often unrelated posts, with many times 10-20 posts from him alone.  There were also a few others that weren't as bad, but were nonetheless annoying.

February 26, 2008 10:39 AM
 

befuson said:

What's funny is that these comments illustrate (both in quantity and content) Paul's point so perfectly well.

February 26, 2008 10:54 AM
 

lilserenity said:

I never really understood (apart from when something is just crap) the level of emotionally charged feelings people have for plastic, a few chips soldered on a motherboard, and a string of 0s and 1s with a company's logo etched on the case. It's just a computer, not a loved one--is it?

I'm just happy when something works as it should. And news flash I find that Windows XP, Windows Visyta, Mac OS X, and Linux variants all do that...

Guess I'm just old fashioned.

February 26, 2008 11:05 AM
 

kanwaljit said:

Yeah, and I am sure he is having lots of fun seeing mac zealots going beyond themselves and wasting their precous time.. The point I am making is if mac products are bad, they will remain bad regardless of how hard someone uses specious arguments trying to defend them (which they aren't and so no one actually needs to defend them.. this over reaction to slightest criticism of apple products only undermines their hidden insecurity, which is not surprising)..

And conversly, if Mac products are good, no amount of criticism will affect their quality, or deter customers buying them (And I think Paul has made it clear upteen times that Apple makes some of the best products in the market. I presonally like them too, but what I don't like is this over reaction..)

Come on folks, Mac is just a computer, like a pc; and Mac users use them for the same reason as PC users do.. Don't get so worked up..

February 26, 2008 11:14 AM
 

cesjr said:

"Yeah, and I am sure he is having lots of fun seeing mac zealots going beyond themselves and wasting their precous time."

I don't see it as a waste.  It's fun to debate or I wouldn't be here.

Also, does one become a "zealot" because he or she takes issue with something Paul writes?  Last time I checked, reasonable people can disagree and debate.

February 26, 2008 1:15 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

Let's take your definition and apply it to "Windows Fanatic" : They're the minority fringe, the freaks, the people who respond violently to every article they perceive as anti-Microsoft or anti-Windows.

I'd say this guy fits the bill:

community.winsupersite.com/.../Profile.aspx

;-)

In my old job, I started out using Windows, then moved--reluctantly--to the Mac. I was one of those Windows Zealots, convinced that the Mac was a toy computer, and used to take great pleasure in mocking it as such.

Once I spent more time on the Mac, I realized how wrong I was, and then found myself on the opposite end, defending the Mac and its capabilities from a very hostile IT department that was more concerned about getting Windows Certification certificates for its staff than supporting the paltry handful of Macs on its network.

There's plenty of ignorance to go around, but to deny that there are Windows Fanatics is to deny reality. One of those IT guys--a good friend of mine, in fact--once said flat out that the Mac was a personal threat to him since he'd built his entire career around learning and supporting PCs running Windows.

I've used Macs, I've used PCs, and currently I use both. Personally, I prefer the Mac for the type of work I do, and the Windows PC is there for a few specific tasks and testing for my Windows-only clients. Both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses. Zealotry on either side is just ridiculous.

February 26, 2008 2:27 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"Mobility.  Why carry a bulky cable when a slot in your laptop and card in your camera is all you need?"

Not to mention speed. A built-in card reader is almost always faster than the poky camera's connection.

But there's a better reason, IMHO, why Apple's decision to leave card readers off their systems--obsolescence. I remember reading Paul's stuff back when he was complaining that Macs didn't have an integrated "5 in one" card reader. Now there are, what...11 or 12 formats? CompactFlash (UMDF and Standard), SmartMedia, Memory Stick, (and Memory Stick PRO, Memory Stick Duo, Memory Stick PRO Duo), MultiMediaCard, RS-MMC, SD, miniSD, xD-Picture...who can keep up? If Apple had integrated a card reader in an earlier model, Paul would probably complain that it's obsolete because it doesn't support some new format (and he'd be right). With a USB (or FireWire) port and a cheap reader, the point is moot. I don't think carrying around something like this is a huge burden for anyone:

www.eforbuy.com/usb-2-0-card-reader.html

And at 6 bucks, it's hardly expensive ( any more than the USB cable that goes to your camera "bulky", FWIW).

February 26, 2008 4:18 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

Although the listing of all of those formats is true, SD is pretty much the standard, and variations of SD stick in to standard SD card adapters, covering I'm going to guess about 90% of the market.

You are right about obsolescence, but when?  Memory cards aren't going away anytime soon.  It would behoove you to not include a SD card slot in a consumer oriented laptop.  Heck, I would have thought Apple would have gone with wireless in this case a while ago with the iPod.

"I don't think carrying around something like this is a huge burden for anyone:"

Not overly a burden for most.  However, if you are trying to sell products that are the thinnest, lightest, and with minimal ports, how many other of these types of dongles for Ethernet and card readers, etc. are you going to carry?  Whey would I want to carry these when I'm supposedly buying in to the thin and lightweight craze?  Of course this is not everyone, but I like to carry less.  FWIW, my Lenovo x61s is under three pounds, has 3 USB ports, a Firewire port, ExpressCard, Ethernet, and SD card slot, and oh yeah, a replaceable battery, which should be my only other concern if I'm on the road.

However, the lack of SD card slots and Macs have nothing to do with what Apple thinks about the future of portable storage.  If they were to put an SD card slot, it would of course seem to indicate that expandable storage should be a part of their other devices, which they aren't.  And they aren't because they want to sell more devices year after year.  Of course.

February 26, 2008 5:07 PM
 

Cfischer83 said:

You're all wrong... Commodore 64 rules!

;o)

February 26, 2008 11:45 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Commodore 64 rules!"

You sure about that?  Looks like the MacBook Air has one-upped it here:

community.winsupersite.com/.../commodore-sx-64-vs-macbook-air.aspx

February 26, 2008 11:50 PM
 

lilserenity said:

*ducks under cover before the ST vs. Amiga debate gets ramped up again with a pent up vengeance*

February 27, 2008 2:10 AM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"ST vs. Amiga debate"

Umm, no debate there.  I'm sure Paul will agree with me, the Amiga rules!

February 27, 2008 7:15 AM
 

sttevo said:

Sorry Cfischer83 C64 was good, but the Vic 20 rocked hard.

I love seeing these Macheads come out in force.  It's nearly embarrassing watching them defend their beloved OS with such emotion - guys Apple is just a manufacturer.  Get over it.

February 27, 2008 8:10 AM
 

lilserenity said:

The Amiga was indeed a class computer in its day. I did not own an ST but a friend did. Suffice to say, the A500 was better. End of. :)

February 27, 2008 8:29 AM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

As a dedicated Microsoft customer and occassional user of Apple products, my thoughts are that Mac fanatics do way more damage than good. Microsoft fans don't have to speak out about their products. Windows speaks for itself. But you know who is Apple's worst enemy? The current CEO Steve Jobs.

When you are the world's number one operating system since 1993, you definitely need no introduction. Currently, Microsoft holds 91.43% of the worlds desktop operating system market. Nobody is making even a dent in the sales of Windows. The gains made by Apple aren't taking away any Windows users. Period. If anything, Apple users are coming to grips with the fact that you can't do everything with a Mac that you can with Windows. Latest video games? Not happening. Movie rental sites outside of iTunes? Nope. Majority of business software? Windows. Its like the old Genesis commericials, if you remember the slogan, "You can't do this on Nintendo?" Same applies, you can't do that on a Mac.

Second, Apple's products tend to be way more expensive versus their PC counterparts. Monitors on PC's cost less, physical hardware on PC's is lower, peripherals are cheaper, and the OS costs are less. The cheapest Apple Macbook retails at $1,099. I can walk into Fry's and purchase a notebook for around $500. I still get that notebook with a dualcore processor, a gig of memory, 120 GB of H.D. space, and a combo optical drive. Tell me, how many people working the local Walmart, Walgreens, grocery store, or college student can afford a $1,099 Macbook? The cheapest desktop is a Mac Mini. $599 dollars but no monitor, keyboard, or mouse. Cheapest monitor from Apple? $599? The same as the mini?!?! You got to be freaking KIDDING ME! I can buy me a HD monitor from Fry's and still beat that price in HALF! Finally, add the keyboard and monitor to that price tag. You've now spent well over a grand. Appearantly, Steve Jobs doesn't pay attention to the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Our economy is in a decline and most folks can't afford his overprice museum pieces. Even school districts who used to have nothing but Macs, have retired the Apple brand except for rich districts who have one Mac lab. Imagine how much business Jobs has costs Apple by not diversifying and opening up Apple?

Third, Apple refuses to diversify. Want an AMD processor? Can't do that through Apple. Want a Dell or HP with Leopard? No way. Not happening in the Jobs Monarchy. Want any version of OS-X on a PC? Not without a hack and virtualization. If its not part of Apple's egocentric world, it doesn't happen. Then the owner besmirches his biggest consumer base, the Windows user. Not good business practices in any sense of the word. If he was a CEO of Dell, HP, Lenovo, eMachines, or any other PC manufactuer, he would have been fired... Oh thats right... Apple DID fire Jobs. How long before this streak at Apple runs out again and Jobs is fired again?

Last, everyone wants someone to blame. Even at my jobs, I had some guy say Vista sucks. It just proves that people talk about of their backsides and don't really know jack. Yes, Vista has some performance issues. But test a Mac at Best Buy with the Apple representative there testing it, the damn Macbook couldn't even render Apple.com correctly. Its own HOME PAGE!?!?!?! I hardly ever have issues with I.E. 7. Microsoft does have its work cut out for it but many of the issues belong to the many hardware and software manufactuers who failed to properly beta test Vista. They all had 18 months before launch to test and get it right. Nobody did and business users are suffering because of it. As for me, the home and entertainment user is doing just fine. I occassionally get a BSOD, but I reboot and I'm fine for hours. I still see Macs with Leopard that freeze while booting. We had this problem back in 1985!

Bottom line, Apple's CEO and its holier than thou attitude really turns off customers. Thats one of many reasons I stay a Windows user. Microsoft makes products that cover everything I potentially want to do. Apple doesn't. We're still wating for OS-X for non-Apple made PC's.

February 27, 2008 1:03 PM
 

sttevo said:

@subzerohitman721 I don't think we'll ever ever ever see OSX on non-Apple hardware.  If MS had only written Windows for a couple of hardware iterations we'd be on version 20 by now, not 6!  

Supporting so many hardware vendors (along with the software released for it) is what makes Windows the king of the market.

But I disagree what your comments about Steve Jobs.  Without him Apple would fade into nothingness like it did last time he left the company.

February 27, 2008 3:43 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Without him Apple would fade into nothingness like it did last time he left the company."

i dunno about that - it's not like NeXTstep really did anything that warrants a trip down memory lane.

February 27, 2008 4:01 PM
 

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February 27, 2008 6:49 PM
 

Cfischer83 said:

FYI, I was kidding about the Commodore ;) ... although I'm still surprised the Macbook Hot Air beat it! lol

@ subzerohitman721:

I couldn't agree with you more!

@ sttevo:

NeXT didn't exactly do well... and just because Steve Jobs predecessor didn't do well with Apple doesn't mean that only he could keep it doing well. I blame HIM solely for the platform wars! He created this whole "us vs. them" mentality. It all started with the 1984 ad, and he's only been building on it since. Once he is gone, the computer industry (and community) will be much better off... assuming his successor isn't the same as he is.

This isn't to say that I want Apple to go under. If anything, the death of Netscape showed that competition is important. We were stuck with IE6 for 5 years before IE7... now with Firefox competing we'll have IE8 about 2 years after IE7's release. Same goes for OSes. Obviously Microsoft is doing most of the innovating and Apple is doing most of the imitating, but it at least keeps Microsoft on it's toes.

February 27, 2008 8:33 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"I'm still surprised the Macbook Hot Air beat it! lol"

That one's for the ultimate MacBook Airheads - Uncle Wally Mossberg and all the rest of the too-tight-turtleneck-wearing lunatics over at the WSJ.  Obviously they chose form over function yet again.  The review of the X300 is yet more proof of that.  It's glaring enough when you look at the allthingsd website - it's all nicely laid out and whatnot, but it's just all full of fluff without any substance.

"If anything, the death of Netscape showed that competition is important."

Really?  If anything, that period just shows us that the spark of innovation sometimes just doesn't happen.  Competition isn't always important - just look at what happens when you have platform wars!  It's all designed to increase margins for hardware manufacturers that try to convince unsuspecting consumers that "their way" is better, and the consumers end up being the biggest losers.  

True innovation happens without competition.  Every thing else is just evolutionary replication.

February 27, 2008 11:16 PM
 

johnpapola said:

Subzero:  Man, it's a good thing you're just an uninformed mac-basher and not someone's stock broker.  Jobs has delivered more investor value through the massive success of Apple since his return than any other computer or software maker.  A quick trip to google finance makes your entire argument a laughing stock.  I'd rather be an Apple shareholder than a Microsoft, Dell or HP shareholder since Job's return.  Even with it's current decline due to the economic worries, Apple stock is still up over 50% from this point last year.

Seriously.  You're out to lunch.

And man, you gotta love these hypocrites when it comes to this Air vs. X300 nonsense.  Sure, the air made some questionable compromises.  I wouldn't buy.  But how exactly can you ding Apple on price, then hold up a machine whose starting price is near $1000 more as an example of Apple's failures?  Stupid.  X300 looks like a great machine, but not offering a hard drive option is arguably MORE stupid in 2008 than ditching the optical drive.   Don't like it?  Don't buy it.  Funny how none of you look at the $1100 macbook which is an excellent value.  I guess because it doesn't work into your biased, blind opinion.  As for the Mac mini, I think a quick look at the price of all the Mini clones out there find it to be very competitively priced.  You do realize that the PC makers have almost zero profit on these ultra-low cost PCs, right?  You do realize that they're simply last year's technology being fire sold, right?  You are familiar with the whole Vista-Capable problem on these $399 and under junk machines, right?

Waethorn: "Competition isn't always important... true innovation happens without competition"

You, sir, are out of your damn mind... or you're a deluded Marxist, or both.  Either way, reality and your opinions live in opposite realms.

I guess it makes sense since you, a custom PC maker, would prefer less competition for your business.   But, what kind of ridiculous statement is this?  CLEARLY competition is the SOLE KEY to market health.  Just look at the rate of improvement of IE after it killer Netscape and before Firefox took 15% of the market.  There was ZERO progress.  I know for a fact that Paul wouldn't stand by this moronic statement of yours.

I mean, Jesus Christ, you think competition causes margins to RISE???  Where did you get this idea?  A cereal box?  A MS brainwashing seminar? The PC hardware business is ULTRA competitive and hence they work on razor thin margins.  Meanwhile, the PC OS business has almost no competition (save tiny Apple) and Microsoft enjoys 40%+ profit margins (Windows itself may have margins upwards of 80%).  How, mr. bizarro-economist, do you explain the rapid decline of PC hardware prices and the increase average selling price of Windows over the same period?

Waethorn, that single post forever brands you in my mind as the most ignorant, arrogant poster on this site.  How about you go read some books on business, economics and friggin' history.  Check your damn cable bill.   Competition is so crucial to innovation and market health.

I just have to love how Apple-haters base their opinions of the Mac platform's stability and utility on their own incredibly limited and biased anecdotes, even though they clearly don't use it enough to know it.  They also clearly hate competition in the market.  I have no idea why anyone would wish away choice, unless they have some Nazi-style worldview where only their "one true way" should exist.

You won't find me bashing Vista, since I don't use it and don't really know it.  I ditched the Windows platform in 2000, so Win 2000 is the last system I knew well.  I'll also say that Microsoft's hardware-agnostic platform is probably the main reason why the personal computer expanded so rapidly and allowed prices to come down... because it encouraged hardware competition.

Apple's model wouldn't have allowed that. Instead, Apple's innovation in software paved the way for much of our current system software and interface work.

So paradoxically, Microsoft ended up being the best thing for PC hardware and Apple the best thing for PC software.  Without Microsoft, I doubt we'd have fast, cheap intel macs, and without Apple, I doubt we'd have a nice gui, media interfaces or general ease of use in Windows.

I'll give credit where credit is due.  What I simply CAN'T STAND is the spewing of ignorance and the wishing away of market choice and competition.

Hey, Paul, I suggest you read your thread.  The Windows-loving Apple bashers are right here in full ridiculous force.

February 28, 2008 9:39 AM
 

johnpapola said:

Quick anecdote.  Met a business man (healthcare tech consultant) at the airport in orlando.  He had two dell laptops (one was a client machine apparently).  He saw my macbook pro and asked how I liked it.  I said I was a huge apple fan and a former windows user, but didn't go on any kind of sales rant.  He said he was going to switch his whole business to Mac because of the huge increase in licensing and support costs for Vista.  

Apparently he's part of a small business owners network and the members are all having a terrible time dealing with Vista support and it's costs.  He said there was a member running his business on Macs with no support staff at all and loving it and that this was causing the group to all investigate Macs for their operations.

None of these guys were in design, video or any traditional mac market.  I found this very interesting.  Apparently the slight price premium on mac hardware is totally erased by the Windows support costs and then compounded year of year (since those added costs just keep coming, where hardware costs are a one-time hit).

February 28, 2008 9:56 AM
 

johnpapola said:

Oh... and then there's this...

www.engadget.com/.../microsoft-lowered-vista-requirements-to-help-intel-sell-incompat

Looks like MS execs knew they were outright lying to customers with the Vista capable labeling and did it anyway just to help Intel and presumably help them keep the XP licenses flowing before the Vista release.

That's what you get for your $399 and under.  Lies.

February 28, 2008 11:30 AM
 

cesjr said:

For Paul - possibly the best recent example of how completely crazy and out-of-touch with reality Paul's comment was regarding the absence of windows fanatics:

"The other day I wrote a piece, Things I Learned At The Apple Store. It contained some of my impressions (mostly positive) from my first visit to an Apple Store in my local shopping mall. Some of it was tongue-in-cheek, some meant to be funny; and some was meant to reflect in a light-hearted anecdotal way my reaction.

The piece provoked a sh*t storm of reaction. I want to thank those (the large majority) who understood it for what it was -- and whose comments (some critical, some complimentary) were reasonable, connected to reality. But I particularly want to thank the outspoken minority who reacted as if I'd informed them their houses (no, their PCs) were on fire and I lit the match. The venom and hysteria, the rage -- and frankly the stunningly small-minded stupidity -- was refreshing. Like I had said in the piece, I'm a tech idiot. It was my first visit ever to an Apple Store. The piece was presented as anything but a tech story or as something recommending or touting Macs or Apple products; as I said, I could care less about Apple or its products.

What was interesting to me was the "happening" that seemed to be going on at the Apple Store. The vibe and experience. There was a pretty dynamic and positive interplay between customers and store "Geniuses." Old folks and young. People, it seemed to me, were having a lot of fun. Apple, in this store, had clearly tapped into something unusual. The mall was empty; yet the store was filled, like some over-lighted, noisy tech amusement park. Simply put, you just don't see retail environments like this often (if ever). [Remember the Dell stores? Or Gateway?-- how are those cow images doing? CompUSA, Staples, Best Buy, etc.?] This place impressed and interested me. But, having now experienced the narrow-minded insipidness of some of the Apple Haters (I'd never even heard of "Apple Haters" until after I wrote the story), I'm interested in you (Apple Haters) too....

Really, what the f**k is wrong with you? What is it that you're apparently so insecure about? Do you have lives? Did some of you get any kind of education past high school? At work, do you ever leave your cubes? Do you ever have sex (with other human beings)? Is it fun to be rage-filled? Have you ever tried not to be so pissed off? Are you aware of critical adjectives other than, dumbass, moron, you suck, etc.?

Here are just a few of the "negative" reactions and comments (and, yea, not all are limited to the few choice adjectives)....To my surprise, most of them were answered by other commenters a lot more effectively and eloquently than my admittedly flippant responses below. Still, I can't resist a few....

"You totally suck..."

"Dumbass, dumbass, dumbass..."

"I've never met more stupid morons..."

"You are the biggest idiot ever...idiocy is an understatement..."

[These are tough ones. Not sure what "stupid" adds to "morons"; are there morons who aren't stupid?; are stupid morons more moronic than morons who aren't stupid? It's confusing. Same with "idiocy" being an "understatement" -- what exactly would that make me, stupider, more moronic than an "idiot"? The passion is impressive but the clarity, not so much.]

"I have never read anything more ignorant and factually inaccurate as this article..."

"This is the dumbest thing I have ever read..."

[Have you read John Grisham's latest novel? Or that guy's book that denies the Holocaust or WWII ever happened? Try the book by Tolosani, excoriating Copernicus for claiming the earth rotates around the sun. Those are pretty dumb and ignorant too.]

"Go find some play-dough or something, leave thinking to the big boys..."

[I love play-dough, always have; so, if that's your criteria, you're right, I'm pretty dumbass. Thing is, who are the "big boys"? Are they you and your friends? What do you think about, other than stupid? Let's see...that Apple isn't doing well; that the Apple Store isn't a scene; that the fact that it is such a scene and a magnet for people of all ages is, what, made up, dumbass, double dumbass? Guess what, there wasn't much attempt at thinking at all in the piece -- it was a collection of impressions and the impressions were pretty positive about the store, the goings-on, the excitement there. So, fine, you do the thinking and, when you're ready and if your heads don't explode from the massive effort, let us know what you've thought.]

"You're a friggin moron, could you use any more stereotypes to cast people at the Apple store?..."

[Let's see. I observed that the Apple sales people, kind of a geeky-looking crew, were "chick magnets." I also observed that some of them, despite their self-effacing, tame outward demeanors, were aggressive, effective "monster" sellers. Thing is, if the observations had been stereotypical, they would've suggested the Geniuses weren't attracting or flirting with girls and weren't big-time aggressive sellers. Remember, pat, over-simplistic, false generalizations (like geeks being weak and shy around girls): Stereotype. Non-pat, unexpected, individualistic descriptions: Not Stereotype.]

"You're just another stupid moron from suburbia pretending to know what you're talking about..."

[Absolutely, on the stupid moron from suburbia. In fact, think I used the word "retard" to describe my expertise; but that's not a lot different than "stupid moron." I didn't pretend or claim to know what I was talking about; I suggested the opposite, remember? Useful tip: It might be helpful to read the piece you're trashing before trashing it. Also, it's true I'm a stupid moron from suburbia; but I'm pretty sure some people out here aren't. I'm guessing there are a lot of people in the burbs who know their sh*t about computers and tech, etc. I don't know them -- and they may think I'm a stupid moron in that area too and wouldn't want to hang out with me -- but surely they're here.]

"...This kind of anecdotal evidence [that's positive to Apple] would fail a first year journalism student. Hell, in high school that would be marks off any paper...I cringed while reading this..."

[The piece was presented as an anecdotal personal experience. And if you're referring to a comment in the piece in which I said, e.g., Apple has "won"...always good to read the following sentences -- in this case in which I said, "How do I know it's won? I don't." Again, deep breaths, read the 1st line, then the 2nd and, if you haven't exhausted yourself, so on...]

"Your light gray font sucks..."

[Excellent. When you don't like the message, kill the font-creator. Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with the font; but I'll pass on your criticism. How do you feel about magenta?]'

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February 29, 2008 11:58 AM
 

cesjr said:

johnpapola - "Apple's model wouldn't have allowed that. Instead, Apple's innovation in software paved the way for much of our current system software and interface work.

So paradoxically, Microsoft ended up being the best thing for PC hardware and Apple the best thing for PC software.  Without Microsoft, I doubt we'd have fast, cheap intel macs, and without Apple, I doubt we'd have a nice gui, media interfaces or general ease of use in Windows."

Amen brother, I've always thought the same thing.  As bad as MS can be sometimes, it is NOT the case that they do no good.  They've done a lot of good.  

Unfortunately most of the good they've done is in the past - that could change but they need to stop being anti-competitive.  They just need to compete on merit.  Frankly, I'm not sure they want to do that.

February 29, 2008 12:03 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

cesjr: I'm sure Paul has Daring Fireball on his RSS reader, but thanks for posting that story. Sadly, the Windows Fanatics will see those unbelievable comments as a "fair and balanced" approach to criticism.

February 29, 2008 12:23 PM
 

Cfischer83 said:

Paul... you better not get a bid head reading all these comments. I know it would be hard being right so much and remaining humble ;)

February 29, 2008 10:25 PM
 

Mum said:

Did you know you can stick 4gb ram in a MacBook and it works? Yes: Apple lied about that too.

March 3, 2008 12:53 PM
 

Dude1313 said:

"Windows fanatics are almost non-existent. This is a myth. There are far more Mac fanatic trolls online than Windows fanatic. I'm not sure I've ever actually even met a Windows fanatic".

Paul, I actually can't believe you said this... do you truly believe this to be the case? Apparently Windows users walk on water, while mac users are responsible for all of ugliness in the online world? PC users are ALWAYS civil and always cordial? Excuse me while I go fish out those hip waders, its getting thick in here...

And sorry you are not objective in your opinions nor your analysis of Apple.

Fine, you want to call out Apple. Do so. That is not what those who use Macs object to. As far as I can see the objection is that you claim to be objective and hold Microsoft to the same standards in your reviews, when clearly you don't. As other have noticed you offer up "beach balls" to anything MS related, while apparently Steve Jobs is on some personal vendetta to ruin your life through his "minions".

I for one would be completly fine with you bad mouthing Apple if you dropped the sanctimony about it. What I do object to is the fact that you arguments are argued from a place you claim to take a stand from and clearly its not.

March 6, 2008 9:27 AM
 

PhoneDifferent said:

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March 12, 2008 8:45 AM
 

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