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Penton's vaunted Web publishing system is hosed this morning, meaning I can't publish my WinInfo article about Live Mesh yet. But this is important. So I'm going to post it here (unedited) for now and then mention a few changes I see coming for this site as a result.

With Live Mesh, Microsoft Firmly Embraces Cloud Computing
Microsoft on Tuesday announced it was finally embracing a growing trend called "cloud computing," where users increasing access software and services online rather than via software that is installed locally on their PCs. Through a new initiative called Live Mesh, Microsoft will for the first time migrate its major computing platform off of the PC desktop and into the Internet cloud.

"This new software-plus-services platform enables PCs and other devices to 'come alive' by making them aware of each other through the Internet," Amit Mital, general manager of Microsoft's Live Mesh efforts wrote in a corporate blog. "Our goal is to provide a 'just works' experience by making it much easier to access the information, applications, people, and devices you care about."

This initial version of Live Mesh is currently in a closed beta aimed at developers but will be opened up to the public later in the year, Mital says. It will attempt to provide four key services: Device interoperability; anywhere access to files, folders, and programs; simple sharing and interaction with others, and automated updates. While none of this sounds particularly revolutionary, remember that this platform exists in the cloud, not on a PC desktop. Central management of devices and applications online, for example, is unexplored territory for Microsoft and its customers.

The first developer-oriented beta of Live Mesh includes a number of low-level technologies that will both form the basis for the entire platform and enable programmers to create unique solutions of their own. From a foundational perspective, Live Mesh includes programmatic access to core services such as (online and offline) Storage, Membership, Sync, Peer-to-Peer Communication and Newsfeed. And the programming model is identical between desktop-based, device-based, and cloud-based Mesh solutions, meaning that a single Live Mesh application will run identically on any supported hardware platform.

I'll be writing more about Live Mesh in the coming days on the SuperSite for Windows. This is an important service that could one day evolve into Microsoft's core business model.

So this is huge.

First, a couple of relevant links:

Live Mesh Tech Preview
Introducing Live Mesh - Windows Live Dev blog post
Live Mesh Blog
Ray Ozzie: Introducing Live Mesh (Channel 9 video) 
Live Mesh screenshots
Live Mesh videos (require Silverlight):

Platform experience quick tour
Platform quick tour for developers
Overview of Live Mesh architecture
Overview of Live Mesh platform experience

Now for the site stuff. I've been planning recently to remove the Xbox 360 link on the mail SuperSite and replace it, probably with a Windows 7 link. (Eventually, the site is going to move to an organizational model based on topics like "Windows 7" and "Office" rather than the current layout--Reviews, Showcases, etc.--but that has to wait for the conversion to Community Server. I'm going to keep blogging about video games and will write something like one short review a month. But it's not core to the site.) It's pretty clear to me now that, given the limited space for "activity center"-type links on the toolbar--i.e. I'm probably pushing it trying to go above 2--those two links should be "Windows" and "Cloud computing." The Windows link will push to a much updated version of the current Windows Vista activity center that will include Windows 7, Vista/SP1, Server, and, yes, XP SP3, hopefully with a useful layout and presentation. The cloud computing activity center will be new. But I write so much about cloud computing these days, and cloud computing is so clearly the future, even for Microsoft. It's time.

(By the way, if I had to choose a third representative activity center, it would be something like "Digital media." I may still go that route, but this is the one thing I'm unsure of.)

I don't know when/how this will happen, but it's going to happen. Unfortunately, the next couple of days are hugely busy between the regular work, some meetings, the podcast, and the kid's school vacation this week. But there's nothing like a sudden bit of clarity.

Comments

 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

It's been fun watching the analysts' blogs this morning to see who get it an who don't.

Paul, you get it.

It's back to interesting times in the industry again.

April 23, 2008 11:09 AM
 

MLomasIcomm said:

This looks like really cool stuff, what makes it even more interesting is Microsoft's comments that they're hoping to bring cross platform support for mobile devices and other computing platforms.

I wonder how much of the sync technologies have been evolved out of Microsoft Groove?  I used that software for quite a while to keep my desktop and laptop files 'in sync' without any of the unpleasantness of the 'briefcase'!

April 23, 2008 11:15 AM
 

j4m3s0n79 said:

wewt!

April 23, 2008 11:32 AM
 

dstrack said:

I cannot wait for Live Mesh.  The concept is great... and in a way I should have something like this already via my Windows Home Server (HP MediaSmart Server).  I LOVE the new WHS even with it's handful of bugs, but I have never been able to successfully access it via the web.  The configuration always fails and I've narrowed it down to possibly my ISP blocking Port 80? (Cablevistion/OptimumOnline)... I just hope the firewall config issues work better on Live Mesh... and it "just works" as advertised.

April 23, 2008 12:46 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"The configuration always fails and I've narrowed it down to possibly my ISP blocking Port 80?"

It's not surprising, although you might want to check to make sure your router firewall has port 80 forwarded to your WHS box.  Some firewalls advertise to systems that they do in fact have UPnP, but will not actually accept programming from UPnP software.  It's a common problem.

April 23, 2008 1:59 PM
 

dstrack said:

Waethorn - will definitely check that out... Thanks for the advice!

April 23, 2008 2:47 PM
 

Lindy said:

I will watch how this plays out, but if you have to have all MS products, Vista, Windows Mobile, Zune, 360, hotmail account etc, its not going to get very far.

April 24, 2008 6:54 AM
 

dstrack said:

Lindy - why do you say that?  Outside of the Zune (and right now Vista - but face it, eventually everyone will upgrade) each other product is an industry leader...

April 24, 2008 8:07 AM
 

Lindy said:

Why do I say that?  Past experience with MS.  I dont want Vista.  I dont want Windows Mobile.  I dont want a hotmail account.  I am not alone. For Example....

Paul uses Gmail and his iPhone.  

I use gmail, XP, OS X, blackberry but will switch to a iPhone after it gets Exchange and 3G.  There is no way I am going to Vista at home and my company (122k+ employees) is not moving to Vista until 2010 if ever, the project was killed.  I wont use Windows Mobile and I wont get a hotmail/msn/live or whatever its called now account.

So if I can tie in my Mac, XP box, my gmail, and my Blackberry/iPhone, my 360 (with out MS points), google search/maps, and my gtalk/aol IM to this then sure I will try it.

If this is just to push Vista, Windows Mobile, live search, live maps, MS messenger and Zune...then sorry it wont happen for me.

One of the best concepts of cloud computing it to pick what you want from the cloud, mix and match, open standards etc.  Its NOT to tie me to MS products, thus moving their way and monopoly from the desktop to the cloud.  If MS tries this at this point in time they will fail miserably.  The world wont accept it out side of MS fanboys.

April 24, 2008 9:04 AM
 

dstrack said:

I'm not sure I agree with you, but I see your point.  I use all the things you mentioned as well... but I also use WinMobile and a Zune... (I have a few Macs - the Air most recently).  

I think Live Mesh is going to be great for me.  Also - with the introduction of Exchange support for iPhone I have to imagine that MSFT will eventually support both the iPhone and BBerry... but who knows.  Time will tell.  

FWIW - I would also like to switch to the iPhone (currently have a Verizon XV6800) but the lack of 3G and AT&T exclusive have me holding off.

April 24, 2008 9:49 AM
 

rickhuizinga said:

This sounds great!

I just wish Microsoft would be consistent with the choices they make in adding features to their products. Specifically, the Remote Desktop feature appears to be included in Live Mesh for all editions of the Windows Desktop client.  Why is it then, that although this is an advertised feature of Windows Home Server, do they only provide remote desktop access for XP Professional, Vista Business & Vista Ultimate????  I understand these are the only editions with built-in remote desktop server, but why advertise this as a feature for HOME server when they are only supported by BUSINESS editions of Windows?  To add insult to injury, this is now a standard feature of a free trial of Live Mesh whereas Home Server is a pay-for-use product.

April 24, 2008 1:07 PM
 

Lindy said:

www.logmein.com  its free, it WAY MORE SECURE than RDP and it runs on home versions of Windows and OS X.

WHS is a total waste of money.  FreeNAS is well...FREE. www.freenas.org.

April 24, 2008 4:02 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"why advertise this as a feature for HOME server when they are only supported by BUSINESS editions of Windows?"

....because WHS is based on Windows Server 2003 and all server OS's have RDP/Terminal Services capabilities.  You can remote in via a home OR business client desktop, but only the business client desktops have the RDP server functionality.

April 24, 2008 6:26 PM
 

rickhuizinga said:

"....because WHS is based on Windows Server 2003 and all server OS's have RDP/Terminal Services capabilities.  You can remote in via a home OR business client desktop, but only the business client desktops have the RDP server functionality."

This is an excuse for the limitations of the chosen implementation method.  The advertised feature is remote access to your home PCs, and the implementation falls short of that.

April 24, 2008 8:49 PM
 

Lindy said:

I simply cant stress how good www.logmein.com is.  Its like go to my PC, but free for the simple remote control.  There are paid versions that give you file transfer, stats, client push and all of that, but the free version is a great product.

I have a free account and probably have 20 friends and family computers in my account.  Someone has a problem, they call me I remote in.  No opening ports on the router (its 443), no plain text user/password transmission etc.

www.logmein.com and never use RDP to a XP/VISTA client again.

April 24, 2008 10:25 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"The advertised feature is remote access to your home PCs, and the implementation falls short of that."

um, where does it advertise that??!?  i have never seen that even mentioned before.  To link TS sessions from a Windows Server to a Windows XP Pro machine, you need to have it connected to a domain.  You're not doing that with WHS, nor are you accessing your home PC's through your router - you'd have to have a separate RDP port set up to access each client desktop separately, because you can't have more than 1 computer running a service on a specific port.  Consumer client versions of Windows don't support domain-joining, nor does WHS magically scan your workgroup network and find each and every computer system, while simultaneously programming your router via UPnP with a separate RDP port for each system, sorry.

April 25, 2008 2:20 PM
 

rickhuizinga said:

Waethorn,

I think you may have misunderstood my comment. I was referring to connecting by remote desktop to the PCs in your home.  Remote Desktop has a client, and a "server".  By server, I did not mean Terminal Server - rather the counterpart to the remote desktop client that runs on the machine that you are trying to connect to. I.e. a client-server relationship.  Such a server is included by default in XP Pro, Vista Business and Vista Ultimate and not in XP Home, Vista Home Basic or Vista Home Premium.  These are the editions that you would normally expect to see in a home environment.  And yes, remote desktop control of your home PCs is an advertised feature of WHS.

April 25, 2008 11:41 PM
 

rickhuizinga said:

I was watching one of the Microsoft videos explaining the mesh, and I noticed that one of the developers had a Firefox folder in his mesh.  

This got me thinking about using the Mesh as a place to install PortableApps. I.e. Portable Firefox, etc.  This would keep all of the application's state synced across all of your devices in the mesh.

April 26, 2008 4:33 PM
 

dstrack said:

I've been using the Mesh Beta to play around with a place to store my .pst file for use on the other machines on my home network.  Works pretty well.  I'm really liking the product so far.

April 28, 2008 9:45 AM
 

kellymjones said:

As much as I like the file sync features, I'm most looking forward to seeing Mesh applications sync'd across devices. One of the great things about web applications is that the data and the application to process the data are integrated and usable by any reasonably modern browser. File sync alone (FolderShare) doesn't completely cut it. With Mesh I expect to see data *and* associated rich applications sync'd across devices. I don't yet know the big picture of Mesh, but it looks to be huge. This year's PDC should be one of the most interesting in a long time.

May 1, 2008 2:02 AM

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