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Microsoft Will Not Extend XP Lifecycle Again: Here's What's Really Happening

I published this a moment ago on WinInfo, but it’s a big enough deal that it should be on the SuperSite as well, so what the heck...

Microsoft Will Not Extend XP Lifecycle Again: Here's What's Really Happening

You may have read a news story--a rumor, really--recently claiming that Microsoft has logging calls to its support lines to determine whether it should extend the lifecycle of Windows XP, which is set to disappear from retail shelves and from consumer PCs after June 30. The rumor--which originated at a tech enthusiast blog--is completely untrue, Microsoft says. But it's just part of a wider range of misinformation that is muddying the waters for Windows users. It's time to send in the cleaner.

Here's what's really happening.

First of all, Microsoft's official lifecycle policy for operating systems states that the company will ship each Windows version for four years after it becomes generally available. In the case of Windows XP, which became generally available in October 2001, Microsoft would normally have stopped shipping XP to customers in late 2005, but that was a year before its successor, Windows Vista, shipped. So Microsoft extended the sales deadline on XP to occur one year after the general availability of Vista, or in January 2008. You may have noticed that that date, too, has passed: That's because Microsoft had extended XP's availability again, this time to June 30, 2008.

On that last day of June, a few things are going to happen. But many things are not going to happen. For example, Microsoft isn't going to "turn off" product activation on July 1, 2009, forcing XP users to upgrade to Vista. In fact, the company told me this week that it has not plans, whatsoever, to turn off XP product activation at any date in the future.

Also, you may have heard that Microsoft will "end support" of XP after June 30. That claim was shocking to Microsoft corporate vice president Mike Nash, who told me this week that the company just shipped XP Service Pack 3 (SP3), and didn't intend to only support that major update for seven weeks. "We're going to support XP through April 2014," he said, laughing. "That's a twelve-and-a-half year life cycle!" Nash noted that few companies provide this kind of support for their software products. "If you look at the life cycle of XP compared to that of a person, XP would just be entering the 7th grade now."

Windows XP isn't disappearing this year either. When June 30 comes and goes, Microsoft's customers will still be able to get XP if they really want it. But this isn't some special concession that was made specifically for this Windows version, nor is it a new policy: Microsoft has allowed its customers to buy a license to the current Windows version and "downgrade" to one of the previous versions for several years now. In fact, if a customer was "really feeling nostalgic," Nash said, they could downgrade to Windows 2000 if they wanted.

Here's how downgrading works. Through a process offered to its enterprise and small business customers, Microsoft will sell you a license to Windows Vista Business, Enterprise, or Ultimate and allow you to install Windows XP Professional instead. The downgrade option is typically used by businesses that are buying a few new PCs and don't want a mix of new and old Windows versions, and they can "upgrade" to the Vista version they originally purchased at any time. Downgrading is available to consumers as well, however. Because Microsoft's PC maker partners qualify for the business-oriented downgrade, they can pass along the downgrade to their own customers too.

"Some people have positioned downgrading as a loophole or 'secret'," Nash told me. "It's neither. It's a well-documented and known policy that's been in place for a long, long time. This is not a new issue: Some people just want the old version. But that's always been true."

Finally, the recent emergence of a growing but niche market for ultra-low-cost PCs (ULCPCs), including portable machines sometimes called Netbooks and desktop machines sometimes called Nettops, has caused Microsoft to extend the licensing of Windows XP Home Edition only, and only on these devices, for one more year. The iCabal--vocal and fanatical Apple followers who cheer the company's anti-Vista "Switcher" ads--have claimed that XP's continued use on these types of devices is yet another signal that Vista has failed. That's ridiculous, Nash says, noting that Microsoft is just being pragmatic. "These are low-performance and low-capability machines aimed at first-time PC buyers in emerging markets, not a way to continue getting XP," he said. As Microsoft had argued to me previously, the fact that their latest OS won't run well on the minimal resources of an ULCPC says more about those machines than it does about Vista.

Put simply, if you really want XP, you'll be able to get it after June 30, and it will be supported by Microsoft through April 2014. By that time, of course, Microsoft will probably have already shipped Windows 8, a Windows version three times removed from XP. Perhaps by that time, misguided calls for XP's continuation will have faded into the murky past, where they belong.

Published Jun 05 2008, 11:13 AM by pthurrott
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Ocean said:

MS is offering XP on the small form factor highly portable notebooks because it doesn't like the growth and incursion of Linux in this market.  And they're anything but low-capability and they're in use in the US.  Thats just spin...

>>Asus recently entered the budget subnotebook market with the Asus Eee PC, which we characterized as a game-changer shortly after it hit store shelves. When we took an early look at the implications of the Eee, we pointed out that it represents a serious loss for Microsoft as well as the fact that major device makers are giving Microsoft the cold shoulder, turning to Linux for their next-generation portable computing products.

Microsoft seems determined to turn things around in the ultramobile space and is now making a valiant effort to meet the requirements of hardware manufacturers.

<<

arstechnica.com/.../20071205-microsoft-feeling-heat-from-linux-in-budget-flash-pc-market.html

June 5, 2008 9:38 AM
 

joe-dokes said:

What we in the "iCabal" are mentioning is the fact that Vista is a pig.

It is so resource intensive that low end machines just flat out can't run Vista with any kind of acceptable performance.  This coupled with the drivers issues, (which are only slightly MS's fault) and Vista looks really bad.

I had a student bring in a Vista laptop.  It was a 600.00 POS that was barely able to boot vista.  It took the machine about five minutes to reach the login screen.  Needless to say, the kid announced to the entire class that in his opinion Vista sucked.  Now in reality vista looks pretty slick, is probably more secure than XP and if he should blame anyone for Vista being a dog it should be the laptop maker for loading vista on a machine that is too old.

regards

Joe Dokes

June 5, 2008 9:46 AM
 

Ocean said:

Paul, good info at Wininfo...but that site needs a redesign.  The page is kinda cluttered.

http://windowsitpro.com/

June 5, 2008 9:48 AM
 

tayme said:

@joe-dokes - "This coupled with the drivers issues"

Exactly what driver issues are you talking about and how are they even slightly MS's falt?

--tayme

June 5, 2008 10:02 AM
 

james3mg said:

@joe-dokes:

I agree with your comments that PC makers should be more choosy about what they load Vista on.  I just have to point this out- the SAME GRIPES, exactly, were said about XP when it was released.  Too high hardware requirements, horrible looks (a GREEN start button and rounded bubble-like buttons?), not compatible with most programs and especially DRIVERS (much more true with XP than Vista).  Now it's the OS everyone wants.  Read also Paul's article a few months ago comparing XPSP2's release to Vista.  In fact, the same types of complaints (mostly "unreasonable" hardware requirements) have ALWAYS been levied against the newest Windows versions, it's just that the public has had 7 years, rather than 3, between Windows' releases to forget that trend.  Thus, the gripes against Vista have lasted longer.  Nothing's changed, and I still think Vista will be accepted at large before 7 comes out.  The irony would be if a "save vista" petition started when 7 was released.

June 5, 2008 10:35 AM
 

pthurrott said:

Ocean: It's not just spin. These machines are lower-performance and require a low-bandwidth OS. Meeting a competitive challenge isn't spin, it's a requirement.

I don't control the way WinInfo looks. I assume that's obvious.

joe-dokes: Admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery, so congrats. :)  But Vista's not a pig. Major new versions of Windows always take advantage of the hardware to the greatest extent possible. A year later, hardware has caught up. As all too many performance tests have shown, Vista runs just fine on modern hardware. The alternative is to design it for least common denominator hardware. That's a fool's errand.

Vista's "driver issues" were overblown at launch and are basically a non-issue right now.

james3mg is correct about XP. And 2000. And every Windows before that. People apparently have short and/or convenient memories. Nothing has changed. Exactly.

As for Save XP. Could you imagine a "Save Windows for Workgroups" campaign when XP launched? That's how ludicrous Save XP is today.

June 5, 2008 10:42 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"Could you imagine a "Save Windows for Workgroups" campaign when XP launched? That's how ludicrous Save XP is today."

Could you imagine if the people that actually had Windows Me working fine (like I did - 98SE was an unstable PoS for my hardware, probably due to the fact that I actually had WDM's for all of my hardware) actually had a "Save Me!  Ban XP!" protest, and what kind of ridicule they'd be facing?  Exactly.

XP - "horrible looks (a GREEN start button and rounded bubble-like buttons?)"

I like to say that XP looks like it was designed by Shigeru Miyamoto.  

Of course, if Nintendo had their way with it, they'd call it "Super Happy Fun-time Windows XP 64" and put it on a ROM cart....

June 5, 2008 11:19 AM
 

hzwei2000 said:

Whoa, don't get carried away Paul.

Yes, Vista is clearly better than Windows Xp. Leopard and Vista are competitive (and for some Leopard is better).

But "Could you imagine a "Save Windows for Workgroups" campaign when XP launched? That's how ludicrous Save XP is today." is disingenuous hyperbole. The fact is you yourself agree Windows Xp is good enough.

By the time Win Xp was released no one would say Win for workgroups or Win 3.11 was even close to good enough.  Windows 95/98? Sure but not workgroups. Even 95 would be pushing it. You can't argue for the comparison merely on the grounds of Xp's age because of the fact that there were no intermediate OS releases aside from various Xp incarnations, all of which fell under the Xp umbrella. Even most of Vista's newest features have been back ported to Windows Xp as you yourself concede. That was simply never true of Windows for Workgroups at the time of Xp's release. That kind of hyperbole one expects from the iCabal (Note: mere Mac ownership or praise does not qualify one for membership, excessive use of hyperbole, among other things... does).

I have fond memories of Windows Xp, the release candidate rescued my PC from the reign of terror Win ME had subjected it to. The fact that a RC OS brought stability to a PC is all that really needs to be said for ME.

But it's true that my praise of Xp at the time fell on deaf ears, as people complained about compatibility and ugliness... suggesting that Win98 was the pinnacle of MS OS home design. (Windows 2000 rightfully was praised by some for its stability but couldn't play games.) I remember having to endure months of Anti-Xp forums. Xp was solid, now it's merely good enough. But today Vista though not as "adventurous" as a good Linux distro is simply the best and most enjoyable OS I've used so far.  

Leopard vs. Vista vs. Ubuntu among others is a legitimate contest. But all should agree that Windows Xp while "good enough" is not in the same league.

June 5, 2008 11:54 AM
 

hzwei2000 said:

Btw: Re: Vista Hardware Requirements

I had Windows Xp running (rather slowly) on a P-III 450 Mhz processor. Vista won't run it. Vista sucks!

Sure some of you MS fanboys might suggest that Vista gives me a much better experience on my new PCs than Win Xp MCE2005 ever did but I don't care. I shouldn't be forced to fork over my hard earned cash on a new OS only to find that it won't work on some of my oldest hardware.

A new OS should mean that every PC I install it on should get a better experience. And quite frankly MS has really dropped the ball again and again. Windows 98 was pretty fast on that P-III but Xp was slow as hell. Now Vista won't run at all. It's ridiculous how can MS still be in business when it's obvious that each OS on my P-III has gotten worse and worse?  Aero? Instant Search, under the hood changes? That's crap. What does it matter if I can't use it on my P-III. Not all of us can afford new hardware. Those of us with older hardware should still be able to go buy an OS and have it revolutionize my computing experience without increasing my hardware requirements.

If windows 7 doesn't run on my P-III or perform faster and better than Windows 98 I might just have to quit using Windows.

All I know is Vista sucks.

June 5, 2008 12:11 PM
 

Ocean said:

Paul,

They do 90% of the everyday tasks the normal computer user does.  Thats anything *but* low-capability.  Maybe you should read the experiences and reviews of some of those who use them on a daily basis before rushing to judgement?

June 5, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"If windows 7 doesn't run on my P-III or perform faster and better than Windows 98 I might just have to quit using Windows."

If any current or future OS can't perform better than Windows 98, maybe you should stop using a computer.

Good luck using Windows 98 though:  on average, Windows 98 will be infected within 20 minutes of JUST being connected to the internet after a fresh install.  It's actually less time for an RTM copy of XP though.

June 5, 2008 12:20 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Maybe you should read the experiences and reviews of some of those who use them on a daily basis before rushing to judgement?"

You mean the reviewers that use them for a couple of weeks (or in most cases, hours), try them out, claim they're "everything everybody needs" in a lengthy review, and then go back to working on a standard Windows machine after selling them or giving them back to the manufacturer?

June 5, 2008 12:23 PM
 

tayme said:

@hzwei2000 - Multiple personalities or what...your first post was well thought out and written...but, your second one was pure trolling, plain and simple.

--tayme

June 5, 2008 12:24 PM
 

hzwei2000 said:

Sarcasm anyone?

Let's try this addendum:

Btw: I have a couple of 286s and 386s lying around. DOS was decent but the fact of the matter is there are 32 bit processors. Okay, I accept that Windows Xp x64 or 64 bit Versions of Vista won't run. But quite frankly Vista should give me a better experience than DOS did, faster, more capable, and a more powerful command line. Instead it won't even install. That's garbage.

If windows 7 doesn't run on my 386 20 mhz machine or perform faster and better than DOS 5.0 I might just have to quit using Windows.

All I know is Vista Sucks! Windows Xp for life!

What?! Did that not make sense? :)

June 5, 2008 12:37 PM
 

j4m3s0n79 said:

Can I just say (echo) what several others have mentioned about XP in recent months.

I use vista at home and XP at work. After a long weekend of Vista use, I have to say that XP really seems extremely lite and ultimately, unsatisfying by comparison. The thing I find frustrating is that I have not been able to really 'upgrade' my usage habits because I still have to deal with XP on a regular basis which makes Vista seem like bundle of little bonuses. I want these bonuses to become a core part of how i interact with an OS and this cannot happen until my work decides to upgrade to vista.

The other point of this is that, by the time support for xp is cut-off, it will seem like the palm OS by comparison.

In case any of you are wondering exactly what I like so much about vista, it's the things like sidebar app, the pretty look, the breadcrumbs, the games window, the way the 'user' folders are managed, media center, etc, etc. They are all little things by themselves, but together, along with the stability, and hassle-free nature...vista is a pretty compelling experience.

June 5, 2008 12:45 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Btw: I have a couple of 286s and 386s lying around. DOS was decent but the fact of the matter is there are 32 bit processors."

You should do your homework - the 286 is a 16-bit processor.  32-bit architecture didn't come around until the 386, hence the i386 nominer when relating to 32-bit software.  Even memory management is a joke on 286's compared to the 386, and it's the reason why protected mode software for 286 is non-existant.  EMS emulation just wasn't even an option there.

"But quite frankly Vista should give me a better experience than DOS did, faster, more capable, and a more powerful command line. Instead it won't even install. That's garbage."

Does anybody see the irony here in someone writing on an internet site advocating the use of an OS that has no internet connectivity?

June 5, 2008 12:54 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Also, you may have heard that Microsoft will "end support" of XP after June 30."

Of course it doesn't.  However, basic support ends April 30th of next year.  After that, if you want support, you need an extended support contract through Volume Licensing, Software Assurance, a direct contract, or some other business avenue, or through your hardware OEM (if they'll even provide it).  Those cost money.  OEM's charge for support too.  It's not free.

Security fixes however, will be made freely available during the extended support timeframe, but hotfixes won't.

Consumers will be out of the loop though, and if they want support for an OS without paying for it, they should upgrade.

June 5, 2008 1:01 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Does anybody see the irony here in someone writing on an internet site advocating the use of an OS that has no internet connectivity?"

How about the fact that version over version, even MS-DOS has had a larger memory footprint?

June 5, 2008 1:04 PM
 

hzwei2000 said:

Waethorn, you do realize I'm on your side right...

I'll give you that my alter-ego slipped up on the 286, I always associated Protected mode with 32 bit processors and since the 286 technically was capable of protected mode I remembered it wrong. Oh well...

Kudos to j4m3s0n79, I think you nailed the differences between the experiences of Xp and Vista quite well. Vista offers me the most compelling experience of any OS so far. There are a lot of good ones and it's a matter of personal taste as well as idiosyncratic needs that will dictate which OS one will find most compelling.

But the notion that Vista somehow objectively sucks or is a failure is just wrong.

June 5, 2008 1:15 PM
 

Ocean said:

Waethorn, take a look at some of the experiences here...and consider that this has been one of the faster selling laptops recently.

http://www.eeeuser.com/

June 5, 2008 1:46 PM
 

whiplash55 said:

This poor horse, why keep beating it, it's been dead for a while. Give me Vista or give me death(or Linux).

XP is  fine for these toys but if I'm going to pack a computer I want it to have similar capabilities to what I usually use. A 12 inch Thinkpad from Leovo's outlet would be fine and reasonably priced. Same with some of the Fujitsu tablets very nice and full featured with plenty of power.

June 5, 2008 1:52 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Waethorn, take a look at some of the experiences here...and consider that this has been one of the faster selling laptops recently."

Selling, yes.  Glowing reviews don't negate the point that most reviewers don't use them anymore though.  If they were really that good, the reviewers that actually held on to them beyond their publisher due date wouldn't now be writing retractions stating that they've gotten rid of them after using then day-to-day and giving them an honest run-through while discovering all of their limitations.  Ditto for OLPC btw.

June 5, 2008 2:12 PM
 

Ocean said:

Link me to some retractions.  In the meantime, you'll find some users experiences in the forums.

Thanks!

June 5, 2008 2:26 PM
 

RunTimeError said:

Waethorn said: "You should do your homework - the 286 is a 16-bit processor."

Methinks you know not when someone is being a jackass just for the fun of it. You need to switch to decaf skippy.

June 5, 2008 2:52 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Link me to some retractions."

www.winsupersite.com/.../eeepc.asp

vs.

www.winsupersite.com/.../whatiuse.asp

hmm....no mention of the Eee on that second page....

June 5, 2008 3:00 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Methinks you know not when someone is being a jackass just for the fun of it. You need to switch to decaf skippy."

obviously you can't tell when people are picking apart an argument seriously or sarcastically.

June 5, 2008 3:02 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

Waethorn asks, "Could you imagine if the people that actually had Windows Me working fine ... actually had a "Save Me!  Ban XP!" protest, and what kind of ridicule they'd be facing?"

I don't have to imagine. Paul's friend and co-author Brian Livingston did almost that exact same thing (his latest book at the time was "Windows Me Secrets"). I used to get his e-mail newsletter, and remember reading this lo those many years ago:

www.infoworld.com/.../011008oplivingston.html

"After looking at the changes Microsoft has made in its forthcoming Windows XP, I'm recommending that most companies and individuals avoid it. I won't be adding to my line of books a Windows XP Secrets (although someone else will inevitably write a work with that title, and if it's good I'll recommend it). Instead, I'm planning to keep Windows 2000 running on my office network indefinitely."

How's that working out for ya, Brian?  ;-)

June 5, 2008 3:16 PM
 

tayme said:

@whiplash55 - "This poor horse, why keep beating it, it's been dead for a while."

Kinda reminds me of Eight Belles on the back stretch at the Derby...

--tayme

June 5, 2008 3:49 PM
 

Ocean said:

Waethorn -- a retraction is a plain spoken statement.  I've yet to see that.  

June 5, 2008 3:54 PM
 

tayme said:

@hzwei2000 - sorry, I missed the sarcasm!!!

--tayme

June 5, 2008 4:13 PM
 

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jeffhex said:

What I do not understand is why, if MS is so convinced people do not want Windows XP, do they not just continue to sell it and see what happens? They could simply raise the price $10 every month until no one BUYS the darn thing anymore, then claim "see, there is no demand for this OS". Or change the license so that no support is implied, or sell it with a Vista Ultimate license (not downgrade rights - separate - then they can really count each XP license as an additional Vista license sold). Why don't they just milk it? I'm not sure what the cost/downside is to MS...

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aemarques said:

hzwei2000 : "A new OS should mean that every PC I install it on should get a better experience". You gotta be kidding...

A Pentium III @ 450 MHz? You should donate the machine, not putting Vista on it.

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Waethorn said:

"a retraction is a plain spoken statement"

that page speaks volumes!

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subzerohitman721 said:

Lets just do a telling of the tape here.

XP - 3 Service Packs, 7 years old. Processor 233 Mhz minimum, 300 Mhz recommended. Memory 64 MB minimum, 128 MB recommended. HDD space 1.5 GB.

Vista - 1 Service Pack, 16 months old. Processor 800 Mhz minimum, 1 Ghz recommended. Memory 512 MB minimum, 1 GB recommended. HDD space 15 GB.

What is the big difference, security. XP security was decent except for networking. Networking security was an absolute joke. Vista has clearly outperformed every OS including Leopard in the security department. The least amount of incidents vs every other OS on the market.

The problem is the perception that Vista is bad. The truth is that those hold on to legacy and 4 year old PC's aren't ready to tackle Vista. Why string along Pentium 2, 3, and early 4 users? I retired my Pentium 3 in 2006 because many of the newest games couldn't be played on it. (933 Mhz, FYI.) There comes a point where you have to put down a system and XP has a retirement date. I'm glad its being done now, before some other major vulnerability comes on through.

Just saying Vista sucks just doesn't cut it. If anything Vista's performance has been to quote Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson, "Laying The Smackdown on all their candy asses." Leopard has a big security vulnerability using a carpet bomb attack and its called Safari. Yet Apple still thinks its no big deal, no patch coming anytime soon. Microsoft is already on the job making a fix. Quicktime frequently gets security vulnerability reports several times a year.

Increasing incidents of vulnerabilities in Linux variants can easily be seen at security websites like Secunia. Even the new Firefox 3 may be released with 10 critical vulnerabilities.

So far I've been using Vista now for a year now and guess what? IT WORKS! Infact, I've had more uptime with Vista than my first year with XP. If you're not smart enough to run Vista, fine. Admit your ignorance and go use something else. Or else pick up Paul's book (cheap plug in) Windows Vista Secrets or Vista for Dummies and learn how to use an OS.

June 6, 2008 3:26 PM
 

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Waethorn said:

"I retired my Pentium 3 in 2006 because many of the newest games couldn't be played on it."

:|

seriously?

i retired my Pentium 3 when Athlon XP's came out.  that was like 7 systems ago for me.

June 6, 2008 3:59 PM
 

Waethorn said:

btw:  Vista on 1GB is faster than XP on 128MB.

try loading any antivirus software on XP with 128MB and you'll know what I mean.  Vista with 1GB handles the extra load much better.

didn't they upgrade the system requirements for XP when SP2 came out though?

i know that the SBS system requirements were raised when R2 came out.

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subzerohitman721 said:

@Waethorn

"I retired my Pentium 3 in 2006 because many of the newest games couldn't be played on it."

:|

seriously?

i retired my Pentium 3 when Athlon XP's came out.  that was like 7 systems ago for me.

Dude, Seriously. :)

That custom  P3 system I had held fine during the early Pentium 4/Athlon time, since games and software didn't require much else. I regularly upgraded memory, hard drives, power supply, and video cards. If it ain't broke, why scrap it? Early P4's had heat problems and I could have bought a higher P3 processor to keep up. At 933 Mhz, I could have run Vista on it. Memory wise, the board topped out at 2 GB.

Infact, I was very proud of it when it held up during the Blaster/Sasser crisis. Infact, I played Warcraft 3 on it with absolutely no difficulties. I still built other systems in my spare time for friends, customers, and family. Its easy to go run and upgrade, but much harder to keep existing systems relavent. But I do think that after 6 years, its time to put it down.

June 7, 2008 2:48 PM
 

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Breetai said:

I think Microsoft's history needs to be taken into account when it comes to how they think about customers (The public,) when it regards product activation. How many customers got ROYALLY SCREWED because the MSN Music servers are getting shut down?  That's just a recent blatant example if you look at the history.  Ugh...  It's pretty obvious Microsoft's Customers are HP, Dell, ect, they could care less about consumers.

June 9, 2008 1:15 PM
 

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June 26, 2008 3:16 AM
 

Reeker said:

"Vista on 1GB is faster than XP on 128MB.

try loading any antivirus software on XP with 128MB and you'll know what I mean.  Vista with 1GB handles the extra load much better."This isn't True Vista requires minimum 512 ram and XP minimum 128 Ram.So If you Have Vista with1 Giga of course is faster than XP with 128 ram

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