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The truth about last year's Xbox 360 recall

The EE Times provides some interesting details about a problem that, I think, doomed the Xbox 360:

When Microsoft Corp. announced a mammoth global recall of its Xbox 360 a year ago, the software giant never disclosed the exact source of the game console's heat problem that led to the fiasco.

The Xbox 360 recall a year ago happened because "Microsoft wanted to avoid an ASIC vendor," says Bryan Lewis, research vice president and chief analyst at Gartner. Microsoft designed the graphic chip on its own, cut a traditional ASIC vendor out of the process and went straight to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. Ltd., he explained.

But in the end, by going cheap--hoping to save tens of millions of dollars in ASIC design costs, Microsoft ended up paying more than $1 billion for its Xbox 360 recall.

To fix the problem, Microsoft went back to an unnamed ASIC vendor based in the United States and redesigned the chip.

Asked the moral of the story, Lewis said: "Had Microsoft left the graphics processor design to an ASIC vendor in the first place, would they have been able to avoid this problem?

"Probably. The ASIC vendor could have been able to design a graphics processor that dissipates much less power."

That's not the moral of this story. The moral of this story is, "eventually, hubris always gets you in the end."

I recall meeting with the Xbox 360 guys for the first time in May 2005. The person I spent the most time with, Jeff Henshaw, was fantastic, and our meeting resulted in a two-part article, Inside Xbox 360, which may be worth revisiting today. Henshaw aside, I saw some troubling things. First, the Xbox guys were operating like a separate company, which I'm sure seemed like a great idea at the time, located miles away from the main Microsoft campus at a place called Millennium Campus. It's on the edge of the earth if you're familiar with the Redmond area.

More important, I recall that my biggest "gotcha" moment that day was when I saw the Xbox 360 development system, which was three—yes, three—PowerMac G5 towers linked together. Think about that for a second: These systems were ginormous. Three of them were required to emulate a 360. What made this troubling was that Microsoft had just recently revealed the final design of the 360 console itself, a relatively tiny and white box. How the heck, I asked Headrick, was Microsoft going to fit the power of three PowerMac G5s into that tiny little white box?

"Oh, we've got guys who have already figured that out," Headrick told me, smiling. Like a used car salesman, in retrospect. "Smart guys."

Right.

That moment has jumped into my memory every single time one of my Xbox 360 has failed to load a game correctly, has scratched a game disc (many times, sadly), or, three times now, has come up dead with the dreaded Red Ring of Death (RROD). It's come up every time I've gotten an email about various 360 issues (thousands of them, I bet), and every time I've read or written a news story about the Xbox 360's many, many reliability issues. And I often think of it when one of my consoles grinds away like a jet engine under load. God, these things are just loud. Too loud.

I remember getting a pre-production Xbox 360 console later that year and seeing the enormous brick of a power supply and thinking, so that's part of the way they got around the tiny console case: The console is actually twice as big as the box. Half of it is just outside the box.

The Xbox 360 is what happens when hubris gets in the way. It started at the top of the upper echelons of the Entertainment and Devices Division at Microsoft and just worked its way down. And the people responsible for the failure of the Xbox 360 are also responsible for the utter failure of the Zune. Any surprise there, really?

Unbelievably the Xbox 360 game library is excellent. Heck, I'm actually playing through the three-year-old "Call of Duty 2" for the upteenth time right now on a secondary Xbox Live account just because it's a great game. Too bad I have to play it on a hunk of unreliable junk that was foisted on us by people who are more concerned with their own image than with reality.

It's a shame. And it was all completely unnecessary.

I'd like to point out that the Sony PlayStation 3, for all its troubles in the marketplace, has been incredibly reliable. You never hear any stories about this thing failing. It runs quietly, even whisper-quietly, depending on what you're doing. And it's a bit bigger than the 360, because the power supply is on the inside where it belongs. Unlike the Wii, the PS3, like the 360, is a technological power house. And yet there are no problems. None. Huh.

Hubris.

Comments

 

DRWAM said:

Still my 15 yr old nephew gave his Wii to his sisters so that his dad would buy him an Xbox 360. He feels that he made a good decision and prefers the Xbox. He tells me that he does not notice that it's loud, but I guess that I must admit that these kids turn up the volume on everything. Also, Microsoft has given me and others superior and friendly customer service. It shows that they care, especially since some units were replaced after the warranty has expired. I know of other companies that did not in the face of defective products. The Vizio P50 HDM and HDTV10a comes to mind. It's a 50 plasma TV that retailed at $3,000 for the HDM and dropped to $2,00 for the HDTV. These units have faulty sustainer boards that yield a loud pop and the TV is dead. At first Vizio was replacing them if they were over the 1 yr warranty, Then they stopped. But that is another story, but an example of how customer service can be bad in the face of flawed technology.

June 11, 2008 8:26 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"These units have faulty sustainer boards that yield a loud pop and the TV is dead."

You sure that's not just the bulb burning out?  Many TV bulbs will suddenly pop, resulting in a complete shutdown.  Actually, in many cases the bulb modules shrouding is designed to hold the glass fragments, because the bulbs will actually explode when their lifecycle is over!

June 11, 2008 8:55 AM
 

pthurrott said:

I feel like Xbox 360 owners are part of a massive support group. We know it beats us but we just keep going back. Again, the games ... great. The hardware? Just pathetic.

June 11, 2008 9:24 AM
 

meason said:

I think I am on xbox 360 8 or 9 now.... been so many I can't remember

had 3-4 red ring, several unacceptable refurbs and broken out of the box.  waiting 3-4 weeks on each turn around repair.  ended up selling my last refurb on ebay and buying a BB replacment plan on a new one to avoid MS.

Paul you are right, the only reason I stay and suffer Xbox 360 is the games and live.  otherwise I would be on the PS3 bandwagon in seconds.

June 11, 2008 9:40 AM
 

pmcgrath said:

@Paul

By "recall" you are referring to the extention of the warrenty period? Or was there some sort of true recall where anyone with a 360 could send it in for some sort of free upgrade before it failed?

I'm a little confused here.

June 11, 2008 9:53 AM
 

meason said:

@pmcgrath

while it was not a true "RECALL" it has acted as a stealth recall.  Let's them get faulty units, or as this article shows, units expressing the design flaw in a quite manner,  It keeps MS from having to say we recall 8 million consoles, like a GM would have to say we recalled 60K trucks.  It allows them to hide the true failure rate from public eye and no doubt helps protected them in some manner from class action lawsuits.

June 11, 2008 9:59 AM
 

joe-dokes said:

I think this proves the notion that it is the software stupid.  

Microsoft's smartest move ever was buying bungie, and allowing them to create the halo franchise.  Those few titles have made the xBox the marginal success that it is.  

The truly mystifying aspect, is the fact that the problems with the 360 have been so great it makes you wonder how the product got through testing and into production.  I mean really, a 30%+ failure rate.  I can understand the need to rush something out the door, but this is ridiculous.

Regards

Joe Dokes

June 11, 2008 10:11 AM
 

johnpapola said:

Knock on wood, my 360 hasn't died yet.  But I don't play enough for it to.  Everyone I know has had theirs die, so it's just a matter of if, not when.

This is part Hubris, and part pure incompetence.  Clearly, Microsoft can really execute for the enterprise and with Server and all that stuff.  No question.  But their consumer work is so terrible it just makes you wonder if they should give it up and leave these markets to the professionals.  These reliability problems are a brand-wrecking mistake.  And in a business that's lost billions, having your brand tarnished isn't good.

Maybe the next round they should just get out.  Either get it right, or throw in the towel guys.  And I really like my 360's gaming.

June 11, 2008 10:34 AM
 

bluvg said:

I'm confused... since day one, the chip vendors were disclosed--ATI for the GPU, IBM for the CPU, etc.  What chip is he referring to, exactly?  I'm pretty sure he's referring to ATI, but it wasn't like they suddenly stepped in some time after the release of the 360.  And FWIW, it's pretty obvious from ATI's discrete cards that low power usage/heat production is not their strong suit.

June 11, 2008 11:08 AM
 

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June 11, 2008 12:54 PM
 

joe-dokes said:

bluvg,

MS probably hired ATI to fab the chip but the chip was an MS design.  

Thus, when a customer comes in and says, "Build this design." That's what the fab does, nothing more nothing less.

Regards

Joe

June 11, 2008 1:28 PM
 

bluvg said:

joe-dokes, I don't think that's the case--ATI doesn't actually manufacture their chips, they have TSMC, UMC, or someone else do it for them.  Mr. Lewis says they went straight to TSMC, but that is not the case.  They partnered with ATI from the beginning.  He essentially says that Microsoft went to ATI *only after* the release of the 360, but that doesn't seem to square with the known facts.  If he's suggesting that Microsoft went *back* to ATI and had them revamp the existing chip that they had jointly designed with ATI, that's another story.  But as it reads, he's suggesting that ATI was not involved at all in the design of the GPU from the start--we know that is not the case.

June 11, 2008 1:48 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

Why aren't Microsoft shareholders demanding that this money-losing division be taken out back and shot like the lame horse it is?

June 11, 2008 1:50 PM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

The software lead that MS has is going to dry up in 2008.  Most NON-MS titles release at the same time now for the PS3.....COD4, GTA, Rockband, GH3.

Plus you are starting to see the heavy PS3 games roll out, like Metal Gear, and SoCom soon.  PSN blows compared to live, right up to the point you realize its free.

I have never really used my Live account all that much.  The MP gaming is what I use it for and to see what my friends are playing sometimes.  PSN could work for most people.

And then there is the Blue Ray advantage.

June 11, 2008 2:14 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Waethorn, yep, it's the board, as per many technicians quotes. A capacitor on it probably blows, creating a very loud 'pop of death'. I bought a 5 yr warranty, but complained to customer service after 10 days without a service call back about the repair. I emailed them that I was writing bad reviews all over the internet [I was], and they called me about one hour after I emailed them and sent me a replacement. The PDP was 2 wks away from 2 yrs old, but numerous others  [at AVSforum.com] had much less [under a year], or slightly more time until the pop of death. They since stopped replacement. I was not aware of any bulb in a plasma. Are you thinking about a DLP? Also, the repair serviceman finally called a few days later, telling me that he was awaiting parts. [He was not aware that Vizio was replacing it] It took two weeks to get to him? They use pony express from China and the horses drowned a few times.

June 11, 2008 2:25 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"I was not aware of any bulb in a plasma. Are you thinking about a DLP?"

DLP's have the same problem, especially those from Samsung and the like.  Most home theatre professional installers will tell you to stay away from cheap plasmas because of the reliability problems.  A friend of mine does professional installation and says that Samsung and LG TV's are just pure junk, after having several die on him (sold to clients of his, mind you, and he caters to businesses too).  All TV's have some kind of bulb in them too.  The bulb is also one of the main sources of heat, so poorly insulated/cooled bulbs will cause heat issues with the rest of the unit.

Same goes for computers too:  poorly cooled CPU's don't fail all that often because they have safety shutdown mechanisms that protect the die.  The surrounding components on the motherboard don't though, so radiant heat is often absorbed by, and causes the failure of, those components.

June 11, 2008 3:41 PM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Paul,

I I think you hit the nail on the head with this article. Anyone who has had success should know that there isn't any cheap way around it. For them to take the cheap route shows that success is getting to MS collective thought. Look at what is happening right now, slow and steady is helping PS3 move up. So far up that its now on my holiday wish list. They overhyped and underdelivered with Vista and now Apple is back in the game. I still agree that Vista is nowhere near as bad as the Vista Haters are saying. Not even close. But the dropping of features and RTM file copy problems was a buzzkiller.

I think Gates will end up pulling a Steve Jobs if MS not careful. Several years into retirement, Gates maybe called back to the fold to save MS from itself.

Hardware is definitely not MS strong suit. If anything they should have stuck with Intel chips. If it ain't broke, why change it?

I really do hope MS can get back their focus and quickly. I think they are on the right path with Windows Seven from what I know. But how many Sinofsky's are out there that can straighten MS out?

June 11, 2008 3:42 PM
 

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June 11, 2008 4:06 PM
 

DRWAM said:

yep, I found out about heat and my CPU the hard way too. One Silent Tower later and an LCD temp monitor, I was good to go. The Vizio glass is from LG, BTW. My last cheap PDP,. Of course, it's almost 3 yrs old now, and I'M glad I bought the 5 yr warranty. When this 50 in PDP blows after 5 yrs, I will probably get a big [name brand] LCD.

Thanks,

Doc

Back on topic. Since MS has virtually no control of hardware production, they are at the mercy of the manufacturer. They made good on manufacturers problems, even though it cost a billion bucks. That's what I call responsibility, IMO

June 11, 2008 5:02 PM
 

techdribble said:

I currently have a dead xbox 360(graphics) sitting in a box ready to be sent to Microsoft Australia hq after giving up trying to get support from Microsoft who also claim the 9 month old console is out of warranty. Also have a Wii that just keeps chugging along and have had a PS3 for just over a week now. I miss Forza2 on the xbox but gt5 is keeping going. Xbox360 great games sup par hardware and support . I will never return to the xbox 360. Now to auction off xbox peripherals .

June 11, 2008 5:48 PM
 

joe-dokes said:

I will give credit where it is due as well, MS did step up to the plate and make it right with the 360.

That being said, MS in the end has final responsibility for the quality of their product.  Virtually no complicated product is produced entirely in house.  Boeing has thousands of contractors.  IBM buys chips from a variety of suppliers.  Toyota and GM have hundreds of suppliers.  But guess, what?  At the end of the day each of these companies if held accountable for the quality of their finished product.  

In some ways MS has been insulated from this, since it sells most of its OS licenses to OEMs who assume most of the responsibility for the OS.  As a result, MS has never really had to take responsibility for the quality of the product that they produce.  Virtually no other product sold has avoided product liability lawsuits the way the entire computer industry has.

Regards

Joe Dokes

June 11, 2008 6:29 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Speaking of liabilty, I now have a IE 6 popup ad malware on my XP PC that I couldn't rid with Webroot, Counterspy, McAfee, and Ad-aware. Anyone have a magic bullet, aside from upgrading to IE 7 or reinstall XP? I downloaded a file called HDD repair utiliy v 2.0, thinking it may revive a couple drives that failed.

June 11, 2008 6:43 PM
 

joe-dokes said:

You don't need IE 7 you can find the solution to your malware problem here:

http://www.apple.com

June 11, 2008 6:56 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Real funny Joe. Well actually it is:)

Anyway, I have the Virtumonde virus. So let me try to get rid of it. Any advise would be helpful. Frackin McAfee did NOT even detect it!

June 11, 2008 8:24 PM
 

UnnDunn said:

I think it's a tad bit unfair to lambast Microsoft like this. Xbox 360 is the first project of its kind that Microsoft has ever embarked on; an extremely complex hardware device of their own design. Xbox doesn't count, since that's just a hacked-up PC in an SFF enclosure.

They made a rookie mistake. I'm not ready to condemn them for that. They are doing all that is reasonable to make it right with their customers, and successive iterations of the 360 have been steadily quieter and more reliable. And aside from the reliability and noise/heat issues, nearly everything about the console displays the meticulous care and brilliant execution one would associate with an Apple product.

Unless Microsoft are asleep at the wheel, next year's "Jasper" iteration of the 360 should mitigate the reliability and noise issues to the point where they are no longer issues. Maybe then all of the bitching and moaning about RROD can finally stop.

June 11, 2008 8:28 PM
 

Waethorn said:

@Doc:

Plasmas don't have to be always bad.  Pioneer is, well, the pioneer of plasma technology.  They have a lot of R&D (read: money) invested in plasma technology.  So does Panasonic with their Viera line, which are gorgeous!  Most companies don't know how to do plasmas right, so they've switched to making LCD's that are easier to manufacture, but not always as good, hence the difference in price.  Getting a good LCD can cost as much as a good plasma.  Don't let your bad experience with PDP's make you think the technology is flawed.  I've heard of similarly bad experiences with LCD's (and projection TV's too, mind you).

"At the end of the day each of these companies if held accountable for the quality of their finished product."

So did you similarly blame Apple when they released virus-infected iPods?

"[Microsoft] sells most of its OS licenses to OEMs who assume most of the responsibility for the OS."

That's correct.  Support is handed off from Microsoft to the OEM.  The end-user can't go to Microsoft for direct support unless they a)  add Software Assurance to the OEM product, or b)  pay for pay-per-use support incidents or a support contract.  Microsoft has several guidelines for licensing by the OEM, but as far as bundling extra bungware that cripples many machines on the market, OEM's have required those options for branding and "value-add" reasons.  Microsoft essentially washes their hands of end-user problems caused by the OEM, and so they should.  OEM 3rd-party software and poorly-written device drivers are the 2 most common causes of Windows problems over the years.  When you remove those 2 factors from the equation, Windows is a very stable and reliable OS.  Vista will even run fine as an "internet-box" or cloud-computing machine on 1GB of RAM, so long as it isn't a name-brand system with all of the crap.

"Anyone have a magic bullet, aside from upgrading to IE 7 or reinstall XP?"

Have you ever thought about sandboxing that legacy internet application using virtualization technologies so that you can use the latest updates for Windows?  Windows Application Virtualization (aka SoftGrid) would seem to be the best fit.  

You could always use Virtual PC too, but you'd need to pay for licensing a second copy of Windows to run inside that VM.  

However, if you have Software Assurance for a Windows client license, you can utilize Windows Vista Enterprise, which includes support for 4 simultaneous virtual machines running on the same hardware.  You don't have to run Windows Vista inside the VM's though - you can use Windows XP Pro or Windows 2000 with legacy support because Software Assurance includes Downgrade Rights.  You also don't have to pay for those VM licenses because they are included with SA.  Virtual PC is always free.  I'm not sure if you're required to run Windows Vista Enterprise as the host OS, but I do know that you can use any combination of legacy Windows client versions in those VM's, up to 4 virtual licenses.  Your host OS firewall with the latest security updates (Vista Enterprise in my scenario) will filter malware like that virus before it gets to the VM's as long as you use the "Shared Networking" feature in Virtual PC.  You should still protect your VM's with some kind of "light" antivirus though.  AVG or Avast should be enough for those.

Aside from that recommendation, try this:

http://safety.live.com

This is the Microsoft malware article on that problem:

www.microsoft.com/.../details.aspx

BTW:  Windows Live OneCare detects and removes that malware too.

Also, the latest Windows XP security updates are designed to close the security flaw that Virtumonde uses (not just IE7).  An up-to-date firewall also prevents it too.  It would seem that your security suite is not configured properly if it's getting on your machine.

June 12, 2008 9:02 AM
 

DRWAM said:

I found a few free utilities and it left two remnants. Now I just installed OneCare. Thanks for the info. It's funny how Ad-aware claims to fix this, but didn't even detect it. Also, this is purely my own fault. I could have done the same with a Mac if I downloaded, then installed one of those few malware programs, which is how this happened. Those drives were dead and I knew it was going to be futile to try to resurrect them. Well, at least the fix was pretty darn easy. I still may upgrade IE or my OS. The hospital system still has a problem updating their servers as two head IT people quit, so I need to wait a little more.

Thanks,

Doc

June 12, 2008 9:18 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"The hospital system still has a problem updating their servers as two head IT people quit"

If they're a good size, they should be looking at large-scale management application products such as System Center.  It's easy to manage thousands of systems from a single management console app.

As for your drives, if you need data off them, try SpinRite.

June 12, 2008 9:30 AM
 

bw106 said:

Yeah this whole RROD thing with the XBOX360 really left a bad taste in my mouth regarding Microsoft and it's gaming platform.  

I've been an gamer all my life from the days of NES to now.  I stood in line at my local Sams Club to get the 360 when it was first released.  Looking back it was a thing I regret.  I've since had three different 360s get the RROD.  MS said they fixed the issues, but they didn't.  Luckily Sams Club has a solid return policy (something like 2 years after purchase) with no additional fees.  I was able to exchange my systems everytime for brand-new systems - it didn't matter they all broke.

After the third one broke I simply returned it and traded-in all of my 360 games as well as the HD-DVD drive w/movies.  I now use the Wii and PS3 - no issues with either one of those!

I never thought I would buy a PS3, but after this MS ordeal, Sony has gained a customer for life.

Those of you who want a laugh regarding the XBOX360's lack of utilizing media such as BluRay, check this video from Sony's new Metal Gear Solid game ...

www.ps3fanboy.com/.../spoiler-metal-gear-solid-4-insert-disc-2

June 12, 2008 9:32 AM
 

DRWAM said:

Tried spinrite, but they're dead. I had backups anyway. Onecare took care of the rest of that pesky Virtumonde.

Our Hospital system has 3 hospitals and some outpatient stuff. My hospital has 433 beds. We were going all digital with GE until recently when GE could not integrate everything to our satisfaction and wanted 81 million bucks. We are waiting on a quote from Siemens, but they tend to be pricey too. This is a big blackeye to GE. We were to be a show site for them.

June 12, 2008 10:43 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"81 million bucks"  ??!?  WTF?

I do know that Lakeridge Health here never spent that much on a software package.

June 12, 2008 12:51 PM
 

DRWAM said:

That's 81 MIL USD too. I am afraid that Siemens may want more, as they are usually more expensive. What hurts is we are led to believe that Siemens product is more compatible with some of the GE system components, than GE! We'll see if they keep this affordable, otherwise, the 'digital hospital of the future' just may take a lot longer to create than expected...that is until it's affordable.

PS. OneCare finished fixing the job! $49/yr for 3 computers is a good deal as the free McAfee from Comcast didn't work. But you warned me before.

Thanks,

Doc

June 12, 2008 2:47 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"That's 81 MIL USD too"

I guess at the time, that was a lot.

No longer though.  The Canadian dollar is on par, sometimes fluctuating higher or lower from day to day.

"OneCare finished fixing the job! $49/yr for 3 computers is a good deal as the free McAfee from Comcast didn't work. But you warned me before."

You get what you pay for.  I haven't seen OneCare being offered by ISP's for free yet.  Norton 360 is the best competitor to OneCare from a feature standpoint, but it sells for much more money.

Although Paul is smart about what he does online, and recommends free antivirus software like AVG, I can't recommend it - I see too many virus-infected machines come in for service that also have AVG installed and up-to-date.  AVG's rating on antivirus review sites has slipped below OneCare too.  OneCare gives you more features, but doesn't suffer from bloat-worthy performance that Norton and McAfee suites do.

It's also easy to buy - 1 product that does everything, and it's ALWAYS an online subscription regardless of how you buy it, meaning you ALWAYS get full program upgrades, unlike Norton or McAfee.

June 12, 2008 4:51 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Thanks Waethorn. OneCare it will be. I can also right it off on my taxes as I need it for work. That's about a 50% discount for me.

June 12, 2008 6:11 PM
 

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timiteh said:

I knew that the fact that Microsoft rushed the Xbox 360 would hurt  them soon or late.

They should have pushed back the Xbox 360 release back until they are able to pack in HD DVD as well as having the hardware reliable and quite enough.

Now it is too late.The damages are done and they will end the last of this generations of consoles.

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