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I bought a new MacBook ... to run Windows. Why?

Through a long and circuitous route, I ended up at the Apple Store in Braintree, Massachusetts yesterday, and bought a MacBook. The where, what, and why of this transaction may be of interest.

(Or it may not. I will at least point out that among my blogging pet peeves are the incessant morons out there who agonize over a PC purchase via a dialog with blog readers. Fear not, I've done it too. At least this time I'm just providing a post-mortem.)

Why? Though I have a steady stream of PCs coming through here, I buy my own hardware, if only for continuity's sake. We're doing our third straight home swap this summer (this time in Dublin, Ireland instead of Paris, France), so I am facing a multi-week trip away from home and need something reliable. Last year, we were gone for four weeks, and my computing environment in Paris basically consisted of a loaner ThinkPad T61 (highly recommended, by the way) and my 2006-era first-generation MacBook, which dual-booted between OS X and Vista.

About that MacBook, btw: I purchased it in June 2006, exactly two years ago. As many of you know, I like to keep a foot in the Apple world so I can at least keep up with what's going on there. The original MacBook was the first Intel-based Mac laptop, so it could dual-boot between Windows and OS X with Boot Camp. On the minus side, the first-gen version utilizes a Core Duo processor, not Core 2 Duo and can be expanded to just 2 GB of RAM. I had the 2 GHz white model.

Over the past two years, the MacBook has proven to be an excellent travelling companion. It's a great size and weight. It runs Vista comfortably, despite the RAM ceiling. As loaner machines have come and gone, I've returned again and again to the MacBook. From a reliability perspective, it's been good, I guess: I've had to replace both the DVD writer and the hard drive, but because I purchased AppleCare (expensive at $300), these fixes were free. Apple's in-store support is excellent, and notably so. (I also had to get the case repaired because of the red-brown smudging that afflicted many first-gen MacBooks. This required a bit of complaining on my part until a random Apple executive saw a blog post on the Nexus and intervened. It still gets really dirty, but whatever, it's white.

Why now? (When) As mentioned previously, we're going away this summer and its time for an upgrade. I'm also going away for all of next week, to Sonoma, with the wife and two friends, and need to be able to work from the road. I was going to bring the MacBook (with Vista), but in a weird coincidence, the hard drive came up lame about a week ago. I messed around with it a bit and then brought it to the Apple Store this past Saturday. I didn't make an appointment, and despite some silliness about walking me over to a Mac to make one for 5 minutes later, I was pretty happy with the treatment. They agreed it was probably the hard drive (apparently, the big gray "X" at startup is an obvious signal) and told me they'd look at it and get back to me.

I had been researching laptops for a while now. I looked at various ThinkPads (R, T, and X), of course, and some Dells (XPS 1330/1530). Based on my experiences with various HP notebooks and Tablet PCs recently, I ruled them out. I've always had a strange fascination with Sony notebooks, but ... eh. I hate pulling the trigger on something like this.

Given that it's been about two years since I purchased the first MacBook, I figured I was due for a new Mac. (So is my wife, come to think of it: She's stuck on a PowerPC-based Mac mini still, if you can believe that.) I discussed the upcoming notebook purchase(s) with her and arrived at what I thought might make sense: Instead of purchasing a $1200 PC and a $1500 next-gen MacBook (whenever they shipped), I could actually "save money" (I know, I know) by purchasing a 15-inch MacBook Pro for about $2000. My wife actually bought this argument, not because she's an idiot (she's not) but because I think she long ago gave up when it comes to anything I can even remotely justify as being work-related. I was going to buy it online, but because of the timing, I decided to wait until we got back from Sonoma.

Where... Sunday morning, the Apple Store called: The hard drive was replaced and the MacBook was ready. After getting my Firefox 3 review posted, I headed over there to pick it up. While there, I figured, what the heck, I'll look over the notebooks. Looking at the MacBook Pro, I was struck by how old the design was (and how much like the old 12-inch G4-based PowerBook I used to own). I was also struck by the heft (size/weight), which despite being good for a 15-inch design, was still bigger than I was used to.

Turning past the MacBook Air (not powerful enough, not expandable enough), I looked at the MacBook. I really like the form factor. I really like the size/weight. The new ones can go to 4 GB of RAM and handle 64-bit Windows if needed. Core 2 Duo 2.4 GHz on the higher-end black model.

And here's the thing: I know they're getting upgraded. But instead of making me want to wait, that fact had been making me nervous. I like this machine: What if they screw it up with a larger touch-enabled trackpad or whatever? These might not be around soon. In fact, looked at the right way these things are mature and as good as they're going to get ... right now.

"Looking to buy a MacBook?" the guy asked. Yes, yes I am.

So I walked out of there with 2 MacBooks, the old one and the new one. The system had a 250 GB hard drive, not the 200 GB hard drive advertised in the store (I think I had read about this happening), so I booted it up at home, used Boot Camp to squeeze Leopard into a sad little 32 GB partition, and gave Windows about 200 GB. Installed Vista Ultimate and got to work with my apps.

So I guess I save some money there, sort of. I've always preferred the black color, and its a nice looking machine. It runs Windows wonderfully, and 4 GB of RAM is on the way from Crucial. (BTW: $103 for 4 GB of RAM? We live in a time of plenty, people.)

So a couple of closing points.

You can get a ThinkPad T61 for about the same price as the MacBook. You can get a ThinkPad R-series for less. The Mac runs both OS X and Windows, however. It's a bit smaller than the T-series.

Apple support is excellent. It just is. That I've had to use it as often as I have, however, is somewhat troubling. I'd just point out that notebooks get beaten up and then having support in place (RE: AppleCare in this case) is required.

I wonder if my old white MacBook batteries will work in this new black MacBook? Hm.

Comments

 

dstrack said:

I almost did the same thing... buy a MacBook to run Vista.  I already have a 17" Vaio (not very portable)... I settled on the MacBook Air mostly because the travelling I do really only requires me to be able to run Bloomberg Anywhere and a Citrix Remote Client... so it's plenty powerful for those apps.  ... and since it's nice and small its perfect for my travelling needs.  I'm very happy with it - and one point on the oversized multi-touch trackpad... it rocks.  At the time the Air was the only machine with that type of pad and I find it so useful... it's actually annoying when I switch off to one of my other notebooks - I find myself doing all the multi-touch gestures that do not work with Windows machines yet.

June 16, 2008 9:25 AM
 

pthurrott said:

I would have really enjoyed something as small and light as the MacBook Air, I think. But I would need a bigger hard drive and more RAM. I think it will get there.

June 16, 2008 9:32 AM
 

kellymjones said:

My only real annoyance with my Macbook running Vista is the lack of tapping the touchpad to click. Not a big deal, but annoying.

June 16, 2008 9:37 AM
 

chustar said:

Why not the X300? The lenovo that's supposedly as thin as the Air but lighter and more powerful? (Unless you wanted to run MAC)

June 16, 2008 10:08 AM
 

barbeha said:

re: touchpad tapping - it amazes me that this works perfectly in vmware fusion, but not in bootbamp.  i guess the vmware guys better programmers than the apple guys.

June 16, 2008 10:11 AM
 

sameerV said:

I did the same few months back, bought an MacbookPro and then fall in love with Macbook's size and stunning looks and returned the MacbookPro for Macbook.

Paul I hope you are running Vista x64 on your macbook? you can run MAC pro 64bit drivers on the macbook incase you don't know.

Just a thought, are people like us (who primarily run Windows on MACs) contribute a bit to high sale of Apple notebooks?

June 16, 2008 10:14 AM
 

barbeha said:

bootbamp???  ack...

June 16, 2008 10:14 AM
 

weedmonk said:

Do they come with a 10in1 media readers yet? I'm no photog, but having 16GB SDHC is a blessing as it basically a tiny floppy.

Also if they just made a line with right lick on the touchpad I would consider a MBP immediately.

June 16, 2008 10:17 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"bootbamp???  ack..."

Still nobody attempting to install Windows Vista x64 SP1 natively with UEFI & GPT support?

Paul??

June 16, 2008 10:20 AM
 

Ocean said:

<<

Turning past the MacBook Air (not powerful enough, not expandable enough),

<<

How many times did you expand your Macbook (or your other PC's) or did you buy them with the horsepower you needed?  I ask because I think the expandability thing is a non-issue.  I think the real problem is out-of-the-box horsepower...

Has your wifes Mac Mini been expanded?

June 16, 2008 11:11 AM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

@sameerV you can download the latest bootcamp drivers for Vista 64....

www.apple.com/.../bootcampupdate21forwindowsvista64.html

They also come with a new Mac...Macbook included.

@weedmonk, just buy a 16gig USB stick

www.newegg.com/.../Product.aspx works on any computer/server with a USB port

IMHO Boot camp blows.  Having to reboot sucks.  Fusion rocks, and running a full screen Vista VM in its own "Space" way better than booting into just Vista.  Give Leopard 100% of your hard drive and let Vista have whatever you want it to have via a .vmdk file.

June 16, 2008 11:20 AM
 

daveinla said:

Vmware are just using OSX' input and passing them to the VM, hence the same behavior in the VM as on OSX guest OS. But I admit it's strange the tap doesn't work in boot camp...

The right click issue on the track pad is a non issue as 2 fingers tapping makes a right click -> much faster and efficient than find a tiny click button on the pad. But in your case I understand it's an issue if you want to run Vista, that's a deal breaker.

And just to add to the general consensus, I've had countless laptops in the past mostly Macs but also PCs but the Macbook is hand down the best machine ever for the price. As powerful as the biggest laptops out there if you don't do games. and more portable than a 15 incher. Plus it looks and feels great. I have also a Dell Vista desktop and a macmini at home and the Macbook is always the main family computer that every one prefers to use. It handles all the daily tasks and manages all our media collection (movie+pics). BTW it was purchased in Jan '06 so it's one of the first to come out of Apple and it still looks and performs same as when I bought it. Only replacement: the battery recall thingy.

It also runs occasionally XP in Parallels like a champ.

June 16, 2008 11:30 AM
 

dstrack said:

@chustar - The Lenovo looks really nice as well, but mine was a little more of an impulse buy at an Apple Store while I was stuck in St Louis because of a snow storm... I was in the mkt for a notebook and my boredom got the best of me and I woke up and had a MacBook Air in my hands.  ... I do have to admit that I am lusting after the HP/VooDoo Envy now.  I can't wait to see the thing in person.  The Envy and Omen look amazing.  I think HP is going to really kick some butt.

June 16, 2008 11:58 AM
 

brandon.pope said:

I do the same thing.  I have a MacBook (2nd newest version) and dual booted with OS X and Vista.  Then I tried running parallels for that coherence mode where you can run the Vista apps side by side with OS X app in the OS X desktop.  That was no good, so I need to switch back to a dual boot however my product key quit working for Vista, so I have been stuck for a little while with just OS X.  

Its ok though, since OS X has basically everything I need for now.  However, I do get some apps submitted to me at http://www.chipnit.com that require Windows and that has been a pain to deal with.  I have to find a Windows machine to do reviews and testing.  Never try to do a review of an app in parallels.

June 16, 2008 12:10 PM
 

pthurrott said:

Lots of comments here... let me see if I can parse this.  :)

kellymjones: There are a number of nice trackpad shortcuts. Hold two fingers on there and drag and you get page scrolling. Hold down two fingers and tap the button and you get right-click.

chustar : The X300 is really expensive.

sameerV: I'm running 32-bit right now but may go x64. I've been x64 on the desktop for a while now and it's mostly perfect.

weedmonk: No media reader. this is a sore spot.

Ocean: I added RAM and a bigger hard drive to my Macbook. I also expanded the RAM in the wife's Mac mini to the max, which is just 1 GB. The hard drive is fine for her.

Regarding Parallels/VMWare Fusion, I'm try it with a 4 GB machine now. I think it's too slow on the 2GB Macbook. You never know.

June 16, 2008 12:24 PM
 

Ocean said:

Paul -->  those upgrades were at purchase or after you'd had the PC's for a while?

June 16, 2008 1:00 PM
 

Avro said:

Paul,

Well bought, I wish I could talk my 13 year-old to the same but she is holding out for the new MacBook.

Applecare is excellent.  We have one of those June 2006 1st Gen MacBooks and we had to use Applecare to get it right.  No problems in the last 18 months though.  Our 2nd Gen MacBook and friends' 3rd Gen MacBooks seem to have been trouble free so I think there may have been some initial problems with the 1st Gen.  I tend to stay away from Apple 1st Gen hardware, it usually needs improving :-((.  I hope the soon to be introduced new MacBook doesn't fall into this category.

Given that both you and I have gorilla hands I am surprised by the media reader comment.  I have always found them horrible to use and much prefer using a little USB cable.  IMHO media readers are about as useful as mammary glands on a bull.

I imagine most people here know that you can access the Boot Camp Windows partition through VMware Fusion and do not need a separate install.  This is the way I like to use it.

Hope you enjoy the Black MacBook.  Very nice indeed.

June 16, 2008 1:15 PM
 

j4m3s0n79 said:

For Shame -

I simply cannot condone the support of a software and hardware platform that is so closed. If apple opened up their OS to dual boot on PC hardware (without haxing the heck out of it) I might consider buying one of their sechsee lil machines to run OSX and vista. For me it's a matter of principal...

Paul, did the box have that apple smell of 'smug' when you opened it?

What jobs needs to do is put a faux autographed headshot in each box they ship.

June 16, 2008 1:30 PM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

I ran parallels 3.0 for a short while with Leopard last year in Nov?  It was terribly slow and very buggy.  I then tried Fusion, night and day.  Besides it works best for me as I can move a VM to an ESX server and it will fire right up.  Unity works like a champ, even with Vista.  

I won a Zune last year at some MS event, and I had it running in UNITY, and sycing....until I ebay'ed that POS Zune soon after.

Memory has been cheap for a long while now.  I bought 4gigs of Crucial for my Santa Rosa Blackbook in October of last year and it was $98 from newegg.

June 16, 2008 1:39 PM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

@j4m3s0n79

Do you mean closed like this....

www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource

Or do you mean closed because Apple controls the OS and hardware therefore giving the customer and better choice?

The apple closed argument is so lame.  

Can you find a download link to Vista's source code on microsoft.com somewhere?  Or better yet imagine if MS made their own computers, and they cam shipped with Zero craplets eating up Zero RAM.  Provided it was not made by the same people that made my twice RROD 360 it could be a good thing.

June 16, 2008 2:21 PM
 

kellymjones said:

@paul - thanks. I know those shortcuts, it's just the stupid lack of tap clicking. Oh well.

June 16, 2008 2:46 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

One of my clients has a 1st-Gen MacBook that had a dead DVD drive as well. Personally, I'm not a big fan of the white plastic boxes, but a lot of people (yourself included, apparently) seem enamored with them. Maybe I'll take a second look.

As a side note: I've purchased AppleCare on every Mac I've ever bought, and I've never once had to use it. What I wouldn't give for a rebate... ;-)

Enjoy your new Mac, and welcome to the Cabal.

June 16, 2008 2:52 PM
 

MrDiSante said:

I just don't see why we've come to a point where hardware failures in 2 year old computers are acceptable. I understand that harddrives and optical drives are finnicky due to moving parts and that this is in a notebook, but still this is ridiculous.

A failed hard drive is a failed hard drive and should not occur in hardware less than 3 years old unless it's abused.

June 16, 2008 4:04 PM
 

Lindy said:

@MrDiSante...you are joking right?  Mass produced products that have moving parts (especially ones that move fast like a HD) have a specific failure rate.  This is true in a industries, not just computers.  Its never going to change, get better over time, but never go away.

June 16, 2008 4:58 PM
 

jstene said:

Forget all this talk about which computer to take with you.  I'm just jealous you're heading to Dublin!  My wife and I just returned from spending a week in Ireland last week. It's a beautiful country. Enjoy! :)

June 16, 2008 6:45 PM
 

drylight said:

Running Windows on a Mac?! That's like dressing up your grandfather in drag. It's true what they say, Windows users have no taste.

June 16, 2008 7:04 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Funny thing about Bootcamp is that you are restricted to 2GB RAM on a Pro Tower, but not a MacBook. That's strange. I still like the idea of buying a less expensive laptop, and passing it on to a family member after 2 or 3 yrs. I've been using Dell, but it's time to give other companies a try. Unfortunately, the only laptops that I have seen lately have been expensive, so I don't know about performance with the less expensive ones. I would think that a low end one must be a lot faster than my 4 year old Dell, which would be good enough for travel. But I'm just not sure what my nephew needs in performance. Thanks for all the info [although he is just not a Mac guy].

June 16, 2008 7:07 PM
 

j4m3s0n79 said:

@ snakedoctor1

Well, I build my own PCs which is really ultimate control of the hardware and software experience. I am not saying that Apple's products are lacking, I am just saying that it's funny that apples (computers, anyway) are considered 'counter culture' when the experience on each of them is essentially the same. The famous 1984 ad was about revolting against the norm, but in my experience, the little apple drones with their macbooks and apple t-shirts have really become the mindless vessels today.

Again, I respect apple in the CE market, but I just dont think it's a compelling platform..period. If apple supported the same range of HW devices that could replicate my home network controlled with an Active directory server, all on machines built by me, with the same external access, plugins and apps that comprise my ultimate experience..than I am all ears. Hell, my HTPC can record content from cable card tuner, and sling my hd episodes recorded from hbo to my xbox360 in the bedroom.

Can your apple do that? Prolly not....mebbe your tivo, nope, not that either.

June 16, 2008 7:20 PM
 

daveinla said:

@j4m:

"If apple supported the same range of HW devices that could replicate my home network controlled with an Active directory server, all on machines built by me, with the same external access, plugins and apps that comprise my ultimate experience" So you want Apple to be just an OS vendor right ? I don't think the board of Apple will find that idea compelling (and the vast majority of Mac users too!)

"Can your apple do that?" Yes it can: www.elgato.com/.../product1.en.html

Sling has a client for mac too as well as tivotogo.

As far as Xbox in the bedroom... no thanks !! I don't enjoy much the hairdryer while watching TV ! The good thing is you don't have to bear them for long as they die quicky ! LOL

A Macmini with Frontrow is much more silent and powerful.

June 16, 2008 7:37 PM
 

DRWAM said:

j4m3s0n79, do you use any X-10 controls? I have Active Home [on my custom built by me, PC]. I have an 8 button Keypadlinc in the Master bedroom and Family room that controls many outlets and switches inside and outside. Of course, the provided remote does that too [as well as the TV, DVD,VCR, etc..], but it's so easy for the wife and kids to turn on lights or outlets in any room just from the two main rooms in the house. For example, the outside front lights or patio lights can be turned on from the bedroom as well as at each local switch, and all are controlled by a little timer box [serial port connection] programed by my PC. Active Home is great, but I am curious to know if the newer USB control for Active Home Pro, works with VMware. The Mac software version is costly and I think has less function as the timer may not work without the Mac powered on. The PC can be turned off and it will still turn on and off any switch as well as create scenes.

June 16, 2008 8:17 PM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

@j4m  you need to spend less time building PeeCee's and more time learning what is out there.  I did not know people still built their PC's, outside of the fringe Overclocking lets try to get 500FPS in the latest FPS PC game, groups.  

At the current price points for Dell or HP desktops they are practically disposable.  I mean I built my own PC's when I actually used a desktop 4 years or more ago, and it was drastically cheaper to do so, which paid for my time.

Mac to 360.......www.nullriver.com/.../connect360

for the PS3 as well..www.nullriver.com/.../medialink

TV to your Mac or all Macs on your home network...

www.elgato.com/.../product1.en.html

A replacement for AD..www.apple.com/.../features  run it on a mini, with a couple of Firewire 1 TB drives and save some power.

I too would never run a 360 in my bedroom.  You kill me with your hardware failures not being acceptable and then you bring up the 360??????

I bought my 360 in May of 2006, and its been wrapped in a Microsoft coffin twice since then on its way back to Texas I think.  My live account runs out in August and the first good PS3 sale I see for the holidays will replace that blow dryer of a 360.

June 17, 2008 12:15 AM
 

lilserenity said:

Interesting stuff.

I must admit it has crossed my mind a couple of times to look at new notebooks and simarlarly for me only Apple or IBM (now Lenovo) come on to the radar.

I had a very nice Powerbook 12" myself but sold it when I was made redundant a couple of years back but kept hold of my now rather ageing ThinkPad T40. (5 years old,  first generation Pentium M/Centrino)

I think this post sums up that if I did go for a new notebook and money wasn't an object I'd also go for the MacBook, decent keyboard, shame about no trackpoint but I could live with it quite easily. They also feel robust as hell, just like the old iBooks.

Then I return to the thought that, no I am not running Vista but dual booting XP and Linux (Ubuntu) on the T40, it's not that bad, P-M 1.5GHz, 160GB HD and 1GB RAM and it does everything I need which is namely Photoshop, Notepad (or GEdit) and a whole bunch of web browsers. Especially with Firefox 3 which just zips along.

But I too hope they don't mess up the MacBook with too much new fangled stuff.

June 17, 2008 1:41 AM
 

maati said:

Hey Paul!

About the battery...

I guess it will not work because a couple of manufacturers (Asus, Dell, Zepto... even Apple with the MB Pro afaik) faced problems when they tried to use their batteries designed for the Centrino "Napa" platform with their new "Santa Rosa" notebooks.

Those batteries refused to work or even, if they were designed for the modular bay, destroyed the main battery.

So, be careful if you plan to try using your old battery.

cheers,

Matthias

June 17, 2008 5:56 AM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"A failed hard drive is a failed hard drive and should not occur in hardware less than 3 years old unless it's abused"

Oh, come on.

Last year, I had two WD portable drives fail within 20 minutes out of the box. Seriously. To add insult to injury, I had a WD 250GB drive fail for no apparent reason around the same time (different machine). That drive was about two years old (and under warranty), but it was never abused (unless you consider caching this site abuse...j/k). You'll understand if I don't buy WD drives any more. But that's not the point.

Hard drives are mechanical devices. They WILL fail eventually; some will just die sooner than later. MTBF estimates simply mean that half should fail before a certain date and half after (and those numbers, as it turns out, are greatly exaggerated: www.dailytech.com/article.aspx )

As far as Paul's optical drive is concerned, I put the blame squarely on Apple's shoulders for that one. I think the fiirst-gen PowerBooks had some seriously defective drives, because (anecdotally at least) there are a lot of stories about them failing.

June 17, 2008 7:22 AM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"It's true what they say, Windows users have no taste."

Spoken by someone with no class. That was just unnecessary.

June 17, 2008 7:50 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"Running Windows on a Mac?! That's like dressing up your grandfather in drag. It's true what they say...."

www.youtube.com/.../ktYEBAc5VGA

youtube.com/.../-zj1ZEAxAa0

I guess you're right!

"....actually, it's pretty common"  ;)

....

"You'll understand if I don't buy WD drives any more. But that's not the point."

Actually, it is.  I stopped selling Western Digital drives years ago because of poor reliability.  It's also why Steve Gibson hates them too (he created SpinRite).  It's funny because if a company has to make "RAID Edition" hard drives to successfully implement RAID, then you know their drives are crap.  I ALWAYS recommend against using Raptor drives in RAID too, because I've known about 8 people that all had to replace their Raptor RAID drives with drives that are a bit more modest.  2 of those people learned the hard way after having to replace their Raptor drives 3 times under warranty.

I sell mostly all Seagate enterprise-class hard drives, aside from the odd desktop model on cheaper systems.  Seagate carries a 5 year warranty on all drives.  Because WD Raptor drives are wholly unreliable in RAID, realistically you can only reliably use a single drive.  Seagate Barracuda ES (the enterprise models) work reliably in RAID, and a RAID 0 stripe with those is still faster than the 10,000 RPM single Raptors, and much MUCH cheaper for way more storage space.  Barracuda ES and ES.2 drives also come with 32MB of cache each.

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subzerohitman721 said:

@ Snakedoctor,

"The apple closed argument is so lame."

Tell that to AMD, VIA technologies, HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu, Toshiba, and every other PC manufactuer. Oh lets not forget Microsoft who still can't run consumer versions of OS-X legally in Windows because the EULA agreement forbids it. Yet Microsoft has no problem letting Apple run Windows in Mac. I'd say thats pretty open of Microsoft. They could be jerks and block bootcamp with littigation and programming. They aren't.

Are you telling me that AMD processors aren't good enough to run Leopard? Granted they aren't Intel, but at one time they were ahead of Intel. If the answer is yes, than that is pretty damn arrogant. I think AMD could be the answer to a low costing but high quality Mac for everyone else.

I'm sure if you said that infront of the previously mention companies CEO's, I bet they'd bust out laughing. Just because they have Darwin, doesn't truely make them open sourced. A lot of the bells and whistles that makes OS-X a contender to Windows is the API's which are missing in Darwin. If they were truely opened, how about all the API's and UI that gives the Apple look and feel?

I'm not saying at all that tne new Macbooks aren't impressive.

Paul, 2 dead HDD and a dead optical drive in 2 years? Jesus, my marriage lasted longer than some of your hard/optical drives. I've had HDD/Optical Drives that have lasted 5 to 7 years before dying on me. If thats the best Apple can do with their notebook drives then thats a dealbreaker for me. Especially with the expensive upfront cost and AppleCare? I'd be raising hell if I spent that much money and it was failing that quick.

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