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When Vista's Problem Reports and Solutions is the problem

Sigh.

Windows Vista has a handy feature called Problem Reports and Solutions that pops up when the system detects you've had a problem and tries to offer up a solution (thus the name). Sounds great, right?

The problem (ahem) is, more often than not, the suggested solution is useless.

For example, I just turned on my PC and got the following four suggested solutions via a pop-up window:

Download updates for iTunes
Download updates for iTunes
Problem caused by Flash Player
Solution found

I was so excited until I found out that none of them really solved any problems.

The first two, obviously, are for the same problem. They both note that "a newer version of this software is available for download" and provides a link to Apple.com. Neat. But I always run the latest version of iTunes. And sure enough, there's no update, and I'm already running the latest version. From a more pedantic standpoint, the download link goes to the main iTunes download page which, let's face it, isn't an "update" at all. It's just the regular (full) download.

Solution number three was the most helpful. The version of the Flash Player on my system was 9.0.115.0. The version on Adobe's Web site, to which it directed me, was 9.0.124.0. That said, I don't recall any Flash-related problems. I'll upgrade, of course. I hope it requires a reboot.

Solution four is the worst one. Navigating to this solution, I was told that the "problem was caused by a missing driver for Intel Quick Resume Technology, which was created by Intel Corporation." The solution, of course, is to visit Windows Update and download the driver. But the application actually links to the Web-based version of Windows Update, which doesn't even work in Windows Vista (!!!!) ... How the heck would a normal PC user know to launch Windows Update manually? Certainly not from the error message on the loaded Web page, which reads as follows:

Thank you for your interest in obtaining updates from our site.

To use this site, you must be running Microsoft Internet Explorer 5 or later.

To upgrade to the latest version of the browser, go to the Internet Explorer Downloads website.

If you prefer to use a different web browser, you can obtain updates from the Microsoft Download Center or you can stay up to date with the latest critical and security updates by using Automatic Updates. To turn on Automatic Updates:

  1. Click Start, click Control Panel, and then click Security.
  2. Click Security Center, and then make sure Automatic updating is turned on.

To enhance the security and performance of your computer, make sure Windows automatic updating is not turned off.

Wow. That advice is completely bogus ... if you're using Firefox as I am. (It works if IE is your default browser.)

So... what happens when I run Windows Update, you ask? Nothing, of course. The updated driver isn't there.

Come on, Microsoft. Seriously.

Published Jun 30 2008, 04:51 PM by pthurrott
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Comments

 

johnbaxter said:

The flash update is a security thing (for a rather nasty critter).

June 30, 2008 3:44 PM
 

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June 30, 2008 4:02 PM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

When troubleshooting the wonderful Vista network stack, I googled "Vista Connected with limited access".  One of the first links took me here...

windowshelp.microsoft.com/.../33307acf-0698-41ba-b014-ea0a2eb8d0a81033.mspx

In that page I clicked on "Windows Vista Hardware Compatibility list"

It took me here... winqual.microsoft.com/.../BrowserNotSupported.html with this nice text...

"The Windows Logo'd Products List is currently only compatible with Internet Explorer 6 and above. We apologize for the inconvenience. "

I am using FF3.

Ahh the joys of Microsoft and their "consumer is always first" approach.  Its kind of like the "play for sure love" I once felt as well.

June 30, 2008 5:03 PM
 

BrightrevCarl said:

It's nice that the infrastructure is there for Microsoft to help people solve problems.  However, we're 18 months into Vista's release, which is half way through it's lifecycle, if you can believe that, and it's unfortunate that Microsoft still hasn't made this good idea a useful feature.

June 30, 2008 5:13 PM
 

Waethorn said:

Paul, you should disable Intel QRT in your BIOS.  The driver is not natively compatible with Windows Vista.  The driver is just a signed copy of a Windows XP driver.  

Intel mentions on their site that the QRT BIOS feature is neither supported, nor required by Windows Vista.  It's for Windows XP Media Center Edition ONLY.  It's also not required for a Windows Vista system to be Viiv-compliant (unlike XP MCE).  Windows Vista has it's own mechanism for addressing the hardware required to do [it's own version of] a "Quick Resume".

www.intel.com/.../qrt.htm

As far as the first 2 issues, I'm not surprised Windows is reporting that you're having issues with them.  ;)

The Flash update problem is a bit more severe.  Why Adobe continues their stupidity, and won't remove previous versions of Flash, is just beyond retarded, sorry.

I'd advise that you delete your %windir%\system32\Macromed\Flash folder (**do it in Safe Mode if Windows won't let you do it normally**) and just reinstall it cleanly from the following link:

www.adobe.com/.../Install_Flash_Player_9_ActiveX.zip

Running Secunia's online scan would also be a good idea, since Adobe programs like to hide Flash runtimes in subfolders of the Program Files folder.

secunia.com/software_inspector

Adobe Flash and Sun's Java are probably the 2 most commonly installed internet plugins, and yet neither company removes the previous versions when updating, posing a HUGE security risk to users.  STUPID!

June 30, 2008 7:31 PM
 

Yawn! said:

The priest of the Wincabal has spoken.   Now we now where the "The Wow starts now", came from and continues to live on today!

Paul here the simple solution to your problems.

1.  Open Boot Camp Assistant

2. Click "Restore the startup disk to a single volume" and click Continue

3. Type in your password and click OK.

Problems solved :) :)  

I think you could sell this to Apple for their next "Get a Mac"  ad.   :)

Yawn!

(Windows 7 SP-1).

June 30, 2008 9:22 PM
 

daveinla said:

^ LOL...

June 30, 2008 9:44 PM
 

fivepoint said:

@Waethorn,

Wow... good thing Paul is very experienced at Windows or he would be SKREWED!  What a fantastic example of why people should jump the windows ship and swim towards the warm tropical waters of OSX and the mac.  

No cryptic error messages, software and hardware made by the same company, and most importantly... it just works.

July 1, 2008 8:24 AM
 

tayme said:

@Yawn! - That was a stupid, trolling comment if ever I have seen one!!! You know, when you complain about Waethorn's posts (this one was actually useful) and the fact that Paul uses the iCabal term in a satirical way...but continue idiotic posts like yours, you fit several of the definitions of iCabal that have been floating around here.

--tayme

July 1, 2008 8:30 AM
 

tayme said:

@fivepoint - Geez...the trolls are out in full force on this one. Did Lord Steve activate the Apple Beacon of Protection, or what?

@jp - When you read this, you will need to forgive me, but these are prime example of the iCabal hard at work. Keep in mind, that I am a Mac user, and have been since the early 90's...I like Apple, they are innovative. These idiots, though...are entirely too much!

--tayme

July 1, 2008 8:50 AM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"No cryptic error messages"

Yeah, I know, they *never* have any cryptic error messages...

discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa

^^ NOTE:  Not meant to be a representative sample.

From:  http://www.macfixit.com/

"several users seem to be affected by smaller and seemingly more random problems, including: MacBook Pro computers not booting, computers taking longer to shut down, the Dock disappearing, various audio devices getting muted, and iSync not working. In addition, some users have not been able to properly install, as the installer progress hangs and forces them to restart."

I guess that is what you mean by just *working*?

Let me reiterate that I don't mean by extension that Windows is perfect.  It is just these old and tired statements of how the Mac is perfect are just plain false, and are perpetuated by trolls such as fivepoint.  I guess I shouldn't feed them, but sometimes the bait is just too easy to pass up.

July 1, 2008 12:57 PM
 

fivepoint said:

dipshit,

It's all relative, man.  Of course macs aren't 'perfect'.  And of course every message on them isn't perfectly descypherable... the saying from the ad "macs don't get cryptic error messages' is based on a direct comparison to Windows.

It ain't perfect, but compared to windows, it ALMOST is.  Macs error messages are much more logical, you have far fewer of these problems in general, etc.  This is well documented all over the web.  

You're in denial if you can't see that.

July 1, 2008 2:36 PM
 

fivepoint said:

And once again... don't call anyone else a troll until you remove your flaimbait avatar.  TROLL.

July 1, 2008 2:49 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Paul here the simple solution to your problems.

1.  Open Boot Camp Assistant"

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"Problems solved :) :) "

Ya, I second that!  ;)

July 1, 2008 3:01 PM
 

feralboy said:

I've seen this before and it's worked for me...I was actually pretty impressed. That said, another time it pretty much told me that there was no solution, so I was less so. Going forward, this will probably become a pretty dependable solution. I applaud the direction even if it's still in the Beta stage. Managing all those issues from all the potential parties, well, it gives me a headache just thinking about it. Microsoft should have allocated more resources to getting this off the ground on day 1 of Vista's launch.

July 1, 2008 7:00 PM
 

Yawn! said:

@Tayme.

Your post is nothing more than pure rubbish!

The priest of the Wincabal spoke.  I could careless if your feelings are hurt.   The priest continues along his path.

For you to hide in Billy Goat Gruff clothing and then pop out from under your bridge speaks volumes about you.

Yawn!

(Windows 7, SP-1)

July 1, 2008 9:02 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Your post is nothing more than pure rubbish!"

Well, if THAT ain't the pot calling the kettle black....

Who woke up on the wrong side of Steve Jobs'z bed this morning??

"cabal"

That lost it's funniness after Paul kept using it time and time again.  You just recycling the term is now just sad....and it stereotypically proves Paul's point, too.  

"I could careless if your feelings are hurt." [sic]

Hmm, so that's what they teach in the US educational system, eh?....you couldn't be more *careless* about your grammar.

"For you to hide in Billy Goat Gruff clothing and then pop out from under your bridge speaks volumes about you."

Better to be a goat than a sheep.

"(Windows 7, SP-1)"

....or a misguided lemming.  I rest my case.  Fitting name though.  You don't impress anyone.

As far as fivepoint is concerned:

"it just works"

Of course it does.

"One of the coolest features of the Macintosh is that it's really easy to shut down.  All you have to do is be using a piece of software and then, POOF! - it goes away.  It's gone.  It's shut down.  You didn't push any buttons.  You didn't close.  You didn't even save.  It's just gone!"  - Hunter Kressel

"No cryptic error messages"

Naaaaah!....You know, unless it's this guy's computer:

img249.imageshack.us/.../dsc01035af2.jpg

....or this guy's:

pictures.deadlycomputer.com/.../IMG_2239.JPG

....or this one's:

farm3.static.flickr.com/.../2468499046_11b94a55dc.jpg

....but that must be the only ones though, eh?....

July 1, 2008 11:24 PM
 

tayme said:

@Yawn! - Did I say that my feelings were hurt? No, I don't think so. I was just pointing out your obvious trolling abilities. You post here very rarely, and when you do it is pure flamebait.  So, tell me....who is hiding?

Your screen name says a lot about you.

--tayme

July 2, 2008 9:18 AM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Paul,

I've found that the Problem Reports and Solutions feature solved almost all of my problems in Vista. I won't fault MS for this not being perfect yet. Its a big time improvement over XP and hopefully this will get better.

Peace.

July 2, 2008 10:13 PM
 

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July 27, 2008 7:03 PM
 

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