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First iPhone 3G iReviews iAppear as iExpected ... But with an iTwist

As was the case last year with the original iPhone, iCabal placed highly in mainstream media have delivered their own iPhone 3G reviews a few days ahead of the public availability of the actual product. But I have to be honest. While we can expect a certain amount of iLove from these guys, for the most part the reviews are unusually fair. I mean, these were the people who completely overlooked (or just plain didn't know about) the original iPhone's many defects a year ago. (That's what happens when you don't question anything that comes out of Cupertino.)

Well, color me surprised. These good old boys can learn new tricks.

A few comments about each.

 

Newer, Faster, Cheaper iPhone 3G
by Walter Mossberg, The Wall Street Journal
Headline verdict: It's a a lie. The new iPhone is actually more expensive, not cheaper.

[The] first iPhone had two big drawbacks: It was expensive, and it couldn't access the fastest cellular-phone networks. On Friday, Apple is launching a second-generation iPhone, called the iPhone 3G, which addresses both of those problems.

Does it? The new iPhone is actually considerably more expensive than the original model and its 3G network, while excellent when you can get it, is only sparsely available nationwide.

I found that doing email and surfing the Internet typically was between three and five times as fast using AT&T's 3G network as it was with the older AT&T network to which the first iPhone was limited.

He makes this claim twice. But Pogue found it about twice as fast (see below). I will say this: the EDGE network is embarrassingly slow, so slow in fact that everyone who has spent time with me in the past year now has a joke about it, to my expense (and to the iPhone's). People witnessing me struggling with this pathetic network have stories to tell for years to come. This is real-world experience, not some silly speed measurement. EDGE @#$%s.

Bottom line: If you've been waiting to buy an iPhone until it dropped in price, or ran on faster cell networks, you might want to take the plunge, if you can live with the higher service costs and the weaker battery life.

I absolutely love the tortured logic of that sentence. Let's reword it without really changing the meaning: "If you've been waiting to buy an iPhone until it was less expensive, you might want to take the plunge, if you can live with the higher costs." LOL. Yeah, if you don't see any issues with that line of reasoning, you should really buy one, as you're pretty much the target market.

Article verdict: Mossberg finds it hard not to promote everything Apple makes, so this is surprisingly balanced for him.

 

For iPhone, the ‘New’ Is Relative
by David Pogue, The New York Times
Headline verdict: Bravo. It's not sensationalist and it's accurate. Surprisingly honest.

This iPhone can bring you the Internet much faster. It can exploit AT&T’s third-generation (3G) cellular network, which brings you Web pages in less than half the time as the old iPhone.

There is, however, a catch: you don’t get that speed or those features unless you’re in one of AT&T’s 3G network areas — and there aren’t many of them.

The iPhone 3G is not really, as Apple’s Web site puts it, “half the price.” The basic AT&T plan — unlimited Internet and 450 minutes of calling — now costs $70 a month instead of $60 (plus taxes and fees), and comes with no text messages instead of 200. (Adding text messaging costs at least $5 a month more.) ... the iPhone 3G will have cost you more than the old iPhone, not less.

Unfortunately, there’s not much you can do with the G.P.S. ... all it can do at this point is track your position as you drive along, representing you as a blue dot sliding along the roads of the map. Even then, the metal of a car or the buildings of Manhattan are often enough to block the iPhone’s view of the sky, leaving it just as confused as you are.

Unfortunately, most of the standard cellphone features that were missing from the first iPhone are still missing. There’s still no voice dialing, video recording, copy-and-paste, memory-card slot, Bluetooth stereo audio or phone-to-phone photo sending (MMS). And when the battery needs replacement after a couple of years, you’ll still have to pay Apple $86 for a replacement.

I'm almost crying. This is so accurate, so fair, so absolutely non-partisan. Did Mr. Pogue really write this? Bravo, sir. Bravo. Well...

So the iPhone 3G is a nice upgrade. It more than keeps pace with advancing technology, and new buyers will generally be delighted.

While this one line can't obviate the wonder that came before it, that's a bit of a stretch. It's unclear how the iPhone 3G is "keeping pace" when it still has the old camera, has GPS that lacks basic GPS features, and so on. But whatever. It's a small thing.

Article verdict: David Pogue offers an amazingly balanced iPhone 3G/iPhone Software 2.0 review. Nice job.

 

Apple's new iPhone 3G: Still not perfect, but really close
By Edward C. Baig, USA Today
Headline verdict: He loves Apple, he really loves Apple!

It's cheaper, faster and a lot friendlier for business.

It's not cheaper.

Not all of iPhone's early drawbacks have disappeared. You still cannot shoot video, take advantage of Bluetooth stereo or dial with a voice command. Such features are common on rival devices. (I'm hoping some shortcomings will be addressed by third-party developers.)

Meanwhile, for all the hoopla involving AT&T's speedier, third-generation network, I couldn't access 3G in parts of my northern New Jersey neighborhood and elsewhere. When the fast network isn't available, the phone automatically reverts to the pokier and oft-maligned Edge network.

LOL. Welcome to the real world, Ed.

Apple's claims that 3G speeds are twice as fast as Edge were confirmed by my own download tests. It generally took 10 to 30 seconds to load popular websites through 3G, a lot zippier than when I accessed the sites on Edge ... Wi-Fi, if available, is still the fastest method for downloads.

Alas, the [GPS] feature begs for the audible turn-by-turn directions found on Samsung's Instinct and others. (Again, I'm hoping a third-party developer will fill the void.)

Alas, you have not heard that this can never happen. Sorry.

While not everything on my wish list made it onto the new device, Apple has raised the bar with iPhone 3G. To which I offer an enthusiastic thumbs up.

Article verdict: Fair enough. He certainly raises a number of issues, which I think these guys did too little of the first time around.

By the way, I enjoy the iNsider (yes, that's spelled correctly) bickering that occurs in these articles.  Last year, all three mentioned how long they'd been using the iPhone, just in case you weren't sure they were iCabal iNsiders. This year, Pogue alone doesn't do so (conspiracy theory: He's had it the least amount of time, thus his "fairer-than-expected" review). Mossberg notes that he's "been testing the iPhone 3G for a couple of weeks," as one might expect. But Baig actually one-ups him by stating that he has, in fact, been testing "the new iPhone for more than two weeks." (Emphasis mine, but I think that was the intent.)

You guys are so cute.

So I've been using the iPhone Software 2.0 on my first generation iPhone for about a week. (Cough.) While I will in fact be reviewing both this software and the new iPhone 3G when appropriate (in other words not just rushing it out to beat the competition), I do have a few observations to make.

Exchange. Using Exchange OTA on an iPhone via EDGE destroys the battery life in real time. It reminds me of driving a 1970's conversion van up a mountain in New Mexico and watching the gas tank literally go down before your eyes. Using Exchange also obviates any personal contacts and calendar data you may have: While you can have multiple email on the device, as before, you can only have one source of PIM data (as before, come to think of it).

MobileMe. I've been able to set up MobileMe email, contacts, and calendaring sync via the phone but not the PC. (It's not out yet.) I've sent email from my MobileMe account successfully and so on. You can configure which services you want to use with Push via MobileMe, so for example you can independently toggle email, contacts, calendar, and bookmarks. This lets you do things like use MobileMe for email, but use Outlook for your calendar.

Stability. Since I am using the same buggy pre-release version of the iPhone Software 2.0 that these other guys were, I'm surprised no one mentioned how buggy it all was. Safari, in particular, crashes regularly, and hopefully that will be fixed before Friday. I'm guessing, too, that all three accessed the iPhone via a Mac and not a PC (and I find it interesting that none of them explicitly mentioned this). On the PC, the version of iTunes that's currently available in pre-release form lags behind the version for the Mac. In fact, the PC version is so bad it keeps forgetting my media collection exists and proactively wipes whatever music, videos, and podcasts I have off of the iPhone as a result. It makes for long sync times and a curiously empty iPhone.

The Big Picture. One thing at least a few of the above reviews touches on that I think is very true is this: The big story here really isn't the iPhone 3G, it's the iPhone Software 2.0. In fact, aside from the Web downloads on 3G, you're almost better off using an original iPhone with the iPhone Software 2.0 via EDGE. (I can't even believe I just wrote that.) Actually, there's another exception to that rule: App Store downloads only work via 3G and Wi-Fi (like iTunes downloads) so if you're stuck on EDGE, you'll need to download via your PC. But seriously, it's the software here that matters. I'm going to get an iPhone 3G, of course. But I'm a freakish early adopter not a normal person. If you do already own an iPhone, you might want to wait a few weeks or months before getting a new (and more expensive) device. After all, iPhone Software 2.0 will be free.

iWeek continues...

Comments

 

brandon.pope said:

I think all fo these reviews were fair enough.  However, from reading all three I really get a way more negative sense than anything that was written about the original iPhone.  Sure, it had numerous problems, but it was so groundbreaking and in most areas very polished that the good far outweighed the bad.  

These reviews don't have the same feeling.  I see s lot of complaints.  I think the iPhone 3G addressed most of the issues that were out there, but it didn't address them to the extent that people wanted.  Take the GPS for an example.  Sure, now it has GPS, but it is one of the most poorly implemented GPS devices.  Sure 3rd part apps can fix this, but they shouldn't have to.  Bad battery life, bad camera, no memory card slot, no copy paste.... Plus 3G is hit or miss around the country.  I personally am going to hold off on upgrading because my town doesn't get 3G.

July 9, 2008 9:16 AM
 

fzanes said:

It's funny how people can not comprehend the fact that the services make it MORE expensive...they see that the device itself is cheaper and that's all their minds can focus on.  

Apple really knows how to market to impressionable, easily manipulated people...it really is amazing what they have been able to get away with over the years.  

I have actually seen people driving around with the Apple logo on their CARS!!!  Pure brainwashing is the only way to explain that.  They are a technology company, not a sports team…people act as if it’s some kind of status symbol and lifestyle choice that they are supporting.  It's a computer, it's a tool...it doesn't define you...

I wear dockers pants, but you don’t see me putting the dockers logo on my car.  I have a Fridgedaire refrigerator, but wouldn't dream of putting the logo on my car.  What drives people to do that?!?!  

Brainwashing, pure and simple...it’s sad…

July 9, 2008 9:22 AM
 

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July 9, 2008 9:31 AM
 

Ocean said:

The iPhone itself is cheaper; *owning* it is whats more expensive since we're after honesty here.

Paul, at what point do you admit others are entitled to their opinions and that they carry as much weight as yours do?

You bash Apple fans and then turn yourself around and make yourself into the same type of person for MS.  I know what word in the dictionary describes people like that...

July 9, 2008 9:41 AM
 

Ocean said:

Here's a snark-free, unbiased review of what the big three have to say.  Consider the difference:

daringfireball.net/.../big-three

July 9, 2008 9:43 AM
 

MLomasIcomm said:

Paul, just a quick question.  Regarding the supposed 'gotcha' - that third party SatNav software couldn't be developed for the iPhone, I was under the impression that it was only prohibited for third party software to have access to (or plug-in to), the Google Maps data (as that would mean 3rd party software licensing Google maps data for free via Apple).

If a SatNav product supplied it's own map data however (pretty much required if you want reliable in-car satnav) - I thought that was permitted?

July 9, 2008 9:45 AM
 

Ocean said:

>>It's funny how people can not comprehend the fact that the services make it MORE expensive...they see that the device itself is cheaper and that's all their minds can focus on. <<

Thats because the phone is a onetime cash outlay while the services get broken down into smaller monthly outlays that are probably only a bit more than they're already paying.

I mean, most people have budgeted for cell phone service in their lives.  That they are paying a bit more doesn't bother anyone but the WINcabal.

July 9, 2008 9:45 AM
 

weedmonk said:

Great analysis. If you noticed that Giz, Engagdet et all also have sobered to some degree albeit small.

iTards already camping out there for a phone that will never sell out and will take in store activation. I just love it.

July 9, 2008 9:57 AM
 

cgdams said:

Jeez, Ocean,

how about first reading Pauls entire text and then write your inevitable answers in one post, instead of posting a single answer to each an every sentence that bothers you?

...and concerning the "snark-free, unbiased review" you mention - that's no review at all. It's a mere citation of what the "big three" have to say, with no comment whatsoever. As such, certainly not worth reading.

July 9, 2008 10:07 AM
 

Ocean said:

Not much different from what Paul did...except its free of nit-picking about the differences in cost of acquisition and cost of ownership.  It's free of Pauls longstanding complaints that Apple won't give him the insider status he so obviously craves.

Its free of made up complaints about non-existent bickering like this: >>I enjoy the iNsider (yes, that's spelled correctly) bickering that occurs in these articles.<<

And thus distilled, it rounds out to a shorter and easier to read and gives you the same exact information.

Mary Jo Foley and Ed Bott and Todd Bishop and Brier Dudley seem to do their blogs without snark.  Jon Gruber too. :)

But no, I enjoy the banter and Paul actually has a dialog with his readers, so I won't go away.  I look forward to debating MS' new advertising campaign in the coming weeks.  

July 9, 2008 10:19 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

@MLomasIcomm

Section 3.3.7 of the iPhone SDK License Agreement says, "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance; " according to electronista.

And the real proof that turn by turn guidance isn't allows is that we're already seeing iCabal types posting messages on how real time voice driven navigation systems are annoying and how just having a moving dot on a map is much better. :-)

July 9, 2008 10:21 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

@MLomasIcomm

Section 3.3.7 of the iPhone SDK License Agreement states that "applications may not be designed or marketed for real time route guidance" according to Electronista.

But the real proof that turn by turn guidance isn't allows is that the hard core iCabal types are already posting how voice based turn by turn systems are annoying and a moving dot on a map is a much better solution.:-)

July 9, 2008 10:24 AM
 

theCheez said:

Did anyone else notice that the reviews state that battery life is worse, when Steve Jobs had said in the keynote it would be better?

July 9, 2008 10:34 AM
 

cesjr said:

Bottom line - it's still by far the best phone out there.  So much better and so obviously better in fact that winzealot Paul was forced to choose it over the lame offerings of the competition.

And where has the competition been ?  That the white elephant in the room - it's been a year and nobody has come up with anything remotely as good.

July 9, 2008 10:39 AM
 

RunTimeError said:

Still enjoying your iPhone Paul?

July 9, 2008 10:47 AM
 

RunTimeError said:

@ fazes

"They are a technology company, not a sports team…people act as if it’s some kind of status symbol and lifestyle choice that they are supporting."

Nice Flyers jersey you got there.

Be it a technology company or a sports team or a rock band, everyone has different interests.

Marketing is marketing. If it's good, then you will see stickers on cars.

July 9, 2008 11:10 AM
 

weedmonk said:

"Mary Jo Foley and Ed Bott and Todd Bishop and Brier Dudley seem to do their blogs without snark.  Jon Gruber too. :)"

Wow that's nice. Do keep us updated on how other Blogs compare to Paul "snark". We all really really care.

July 9, 2008 11:22 AM
 

weedmonk said:

"

And where has the competition been ?  That the white elephant in the room - it's been a year and nobody has come up with anything remotely as good.

"

You mean the other 99% of the cell phone market? Just because you soil youself over the very mention of an iPhone doesn't mean it's the "best phone". Of course, its no point arguing that with an iMuppet.

July 9, 2008 11:32 AM
 

Ocean said:

Weedmonk...its not about the other posters here.

July 9, 2008 11:45 AM
 

cesjr said:

"Of course, its no point arguing that with an iMuppet. "

Yeah, and like there's a point arguing with YOU

July 9, 2008 11:53 AM
 

daveinla said:

These sour article with ridiculous headlines that just fanboys like the one posting comments over here use are just pathetic !!! No self-proclaim top-notch and unbiased tech writer should ever discredit themselves by writing such childish silly posts.

You don't need to write a sour ibiased iarticle every time a highly  regarded journalist write something positive about an Apple gear. You hurt your credibility, your bottom line. The only thing you do is inflate the posts from fanbois on your blog !!! Which is maybe what you want. The majority of mainstream tech enthusiasts like me find it boring and pathetic.

I think yoga would work better Paul.

These days that blog is ONLY about relating to the negative articles about Apple and magnifying them with silly comments or flaming the ones that dare to think Vista is a half-baked OS (which it is for now).

I think its about time that you realize that like any person sitting one one edge of their peer spectrum, your are bound to disagree with the majority of your peers article. The only thing is that some peers are more regarded as having more mature comment and content.

Open your eyes and learn to accept the majority's point of view.

Hint: When you start to disagree with most of your peers it means something's wrong with your point of view, just like in politics.

July 9, 2008 12:01 PM
 

pthurrott said:

When you start to disagree with most of your peers, you may actually be on to something: Not being a lemming. :)

July 9, 2008 12:07 PM
 

fzanes said:

@runtimerror

"Marketing is marketing. If it's good, then you will see stickers on cars."

I've always considered Apple a Marketing company 1st, a gadget company 2nd, and a computer company a very distant 3rd.  The fact that they have convinced people to display their allegiance to them on their cars AS IF they were a band or a sports team just shows you how influential their marketing has become.  

Perception becomes reality, and next thing you know people are waiting in line to buy anything they come out with regardless of cost.  Do I hear an iToaster?  I bet the commercials will be really hip and trendy...

I'm sorry man, if you have an Apple sticker on your car, you have crossed a line...the products Apple and MS sell are tools, tools to help you do things better, get work done, and improve your life.

Hmmm, I wonder where I can get a Whirlpool sticker...I really like my new dishwasher...on second thought, their commercials are not that cool...oh well.

July 9, 2008 12:25 PM
 

daveinla said:

Actually it's funny but for years I felt like not being a lemming by using primarily Mac OS and having a critical eye on the computing world...

July 9, 2008 12:27 PM
 

daProject said:

Paul, regular 3G is about 380kbps, so the twice as fast as EDGE claim makes sense.

However, the iPhone also supports HSDPA which is anything from 1.8mbps to 3.6mbps in the States.  So its feasible that the other reviewer experiences vastly quicker times than over EDGE.

July 9, 2008 12:31 PM
 

johnpapola said:

Wow, Paul!  Amazing!  The "iCabal" isn't actually a cabal or in the pocket of Apple at all!  Holy Smokes!  Criticism and honesty from people who have worked their way into high-profile tech review positions.  Imagine that.  And if there was ever a time for the "iCabal" to be biased, it's now with one of the most important product updates to Apple's highest-profile new product/platform.

Of course, we all know there is no "iCabal".  There's fanboys and hacks on all sides.  The fact that these reviewers have generally given OS X better ratings than Windows and Macs better ratings that comparable PCs is because... drum role please....  THEY'RE ACTUALLY BETTER PRODUCTS!!!!!!

Yes.  Amazingly, these reviewers are totally in sync with PC Magazine, Consumer Reports and every other object review or Apple products, Apple's service and reliability and Apple's customer satisfaction.  This is why Apple's customer satisfaction is so much better than everyone else.  This is why Apple's users are so loyal.

Because Apple products are better then their direct competitors.

And would you look at that... their sales growth and profit margins seem to be in line with that reality.  Amazing thing, that capitalism is.  And wow... their advertising has an impact because it's the only competent and compelling ad work in the tech sector.  AMAZING!!!!

When Apples were overpriced, less stable and had a confusing lineup... Apple sales were declining.  I'm talking the early nineties that most of the winCabal seem to be stuck in when it comes to Apple.  They weren't even particularly reliable, thanks to a mess of a supply chain.  Back then, Apple was a mess, and I was a partisan Windows user. But times have changed and Steve Jobs has restored Apple's place as lead innovator and premiere hardware designer of the technology sector.

And with this improvement, has come a sea-change in press coverage from every single Apple article calling them "beleaguered" to praising their products (when praise-worthy).  

You see, Paul... you're not a "lemming" if you look up and see that the sun rises and sets every day just like everyone else.  It's just called being observant of reality.  I find it particularly amazing that you would say anyone is a lemming for picking an Apple product since you paradoxically like to point out their tiny worldwide marketshare at every opportunity.  The real lemmings are the winCabal dorks that point to Windows marketshare as justification for their platform choice.  That is the definition of being a follower.  "I buy a PC because everyone else does too".  That's what the wincabal marketshare discussion is.

What's even more paradoxical is that you seem to be very riled up by the amount of press Apple receives in proportion to it's marketshare, yet you devote a significant amount of your own time at the "Supersite for Windows" discussing Apple and the mac.  Talk about making all of our heads spin.

I also find it funny that everyone from your recent former respected windows pundits to Bill Gates himself have conceded that Vista is a specifically problematic release and yet you lump this into an iCabal conspiracy.

I like you, Paul, but I fully believe that your outlook has been very poorly skewed by your inability to ignore moron fanboys in your inbox.  It's made you bitter and biased.  This whole multi-month long "iCabal" tirade of yours sounds bitter and silly and it is below the quality of your writing, my perception of your integrity and your far more balanced approach when doing the podcast with Leo.

July 9, 2008 12:33 PM
 

fzanes said:

@daveinla

Using primarily Mac OS is still going against the grain, it's just the perception that has changed.  The stats speak for themselves, especially in the business world...

Ipods and Iphones aside, Apple has nothing on the computer industry…just a whole lotta marketing and hype…

July 9, 2008 12:39 PM
 

Ocean said:

>> Amazingly, these reviewers are totally in sync with PC Magazine, Consumer Reports and every other object review or Apple products, Apple's service and reliability and Apple's customer satisfaction.  

--

And would you look at that... their sales growth and profit margins seem to be in line with that reality.  Amazing thing, that capitalism is.<<

Anyone disagree?

July 9, 2008 12:43 PM
 

RaaJ said:

@ ces "Steve Jobs is the greatest force of innovation in the industry" jr:

You are one obvious card carrying iSuckup if there was ever one. What do you think makes the iPhone the best phone there is? Post a point-by-point list of how the iPhone is superior to its peers. Something tells me you can't.

I am considering an iPhone 3G, but I am not at all deluded about its superiority over the other phones. I am considering it because I like the interface, I don't take photos or videos with it, I don't listen to music over bluetooth, and I can live with the limited GPS implementation because I already have a much more powerful GPS already. So, I can live with the shortcomings of the iPhone because all I need is a wide-enough screen internet accessible device that can quickly provide me the info needed in the palm of my hand while I am on the road.

A pretty interface does not a "superior phone" make. Stop spreading the lie that the iPhone is "the best phone" there is.

July 9, 2008 12:43 PM
 

daveinla said:

^ applause please...

July 9, 2008 12:44 PM
 

RaaJ said:

You iSuckups, stop pretending that the OS X and Macs are perfect. They are not. And they do have their share of incompatibilities - the sort of thing that Vista gets crucified for.

I use both Windows and Macs daily in my company, and I have had a great experience on Vista for the past one year, especially after SP1. It does have incompatibilities with some software that we use, but that is the fault of the software vendors not updating their software.

On the other hand, our Macs have stopped working with our Wi-Fi access point a year ago. This has affected two MacBooks, 2 MacBook Pros, one iMac PPC and one PowerBook G4 - all running the latest updates for Tiger and Leopard. Everyone of us using Macs has to use a wired connection or an external wi-fi cards to connect to our corporate wi-fi network.

Does this one case make the Macs and OS X half-baked? Not anymore than the occassional incompatibilites of Vista with third party applications due to no fault of the OS itself.

July 9, 2008 1:00 PM
 

Snakedoctor1 said:

@fzanes

Apple has NOTHING to do with the iPhone being more expensive.  ATT is the cause of the price jump, plain and simple.  I would love an iphone, but with out the data plan, so I wont be getting one.

"I'm sorry man, if you have an Apple sticker on your car, you have crossed a line...the products Apple and MS sell are tools, tools to help you do things better, get work done, and improve your life."  

Kind of like cars right.  I know many people that love them, spends lots of money on them, have clubs, have stickers, p!ss or Ford or whatever, but really a car is just a tool right.  I like to go to Air Shows, have Avation art on my walls in my office, of famous planes, but planes are just tools.

What I think is silly are sports fans.  They wear jerseys with other peoples names on them, put stickers on their cars, posters on their wall, mouse pads and wallpaper, pay tons of money to see them in real life, have no problem with them making tons of $$$$$$$$ to play a game, often worship them as some kind of role model as and ignore the wrong doings of them.  Some even use the team logo as an avatar:)  Some probably think sports fans are tools!!

To each his own brother.  The fact that it gets your panties in a knot is funny that is for sure.

I like this Tom Clancy quote....

"Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?"

July 9, 2008 1:07 PM
 

johnpapola said:

@fazanes

"Ipods and Iphones aside, Apple has nothing on the computer industry…just a whole lotta marketing and hype…"

...and more profit than Dell... and better customer service and satisfaction than any other PC "maker" in the business... and one of the fastest growing open-sourced mobile web platforms (webkit)...and they're own custom, unix-based operating system that provides the main competition to Microsoft for end-user innovation... and some of the most powerful and by far the most competitively priced professional content creation applications on the market...

fazanes... you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  

@RaaJ

Jobs is the without question one of the greatest forces for innovation in the industry if not the greatest.  That's just plain reality.  Gates is up there with him, of course.  But let's be honest here.

The entire mobile phone industry began making iPhone-clones after its release.  The iphone has completely changed the mobile landscape and utterly revolutionized mobile web browsing (since it already is has the #1 mobile browsing share based on google with only 6 million handsets in the wild).  A year later it is the only mainstream multi-touch platform.

Or what about how the entire industrial design world began making iMac clones for everything for PCs to Toasters.  

Or how NeXT was a decade ahead of the entire industry in developing a networked, object-oriented, easy-to-use modern operating system.  

Or how OSX was the first mainstream operating system to debut a GPU-accelerated, compositing drawing engine that revolutionized computer graphics processing.  

Or how the original Mac delivered a polished GUI to the broader market.  

Or how the Apple II almost single-handedly (powered in large part by Visicalc) changed the balance of computing for mainframes to micro-computers and prompts IBM to rush out the PC in response. Jobs lead the Apple II to near 50% marketshare at that time.

Or how the iPod + iTunes utterly changed the face of the music distribution and is now the #1 music retailer.

Did Apple/NeXT outright "invent" from scratch every single element of every single item in this list?  No.  All technology progress is built from many pieces from many sources (just as DOS was built on a total theft of CP/M called QDOS).  But every one of these things (and more) have been major forces of innovation under Jobs very direct involvement.

July 9, 2008 1:20 PM
 

fzanes said:

@johnpapola

Hmmmm, I'm thinking you have an apple sticker on your car...

July 9, 2008 1:26 PM
 

BrightrevCarl said:

@Paul and others

Can you please elaborate on why the GPS turn-by-turn can never happen?

I'm familiar with the language in Apple's license agreement.  However, it appears that Apple's license agreement was copied almost word for word from the Google Maps API License agreement.  This makes it appear that developers using GPS capability must supply their own map data.  

See this Engadget post, paying special attention to the update at the bottom:

www.engadget.com/.../iphone-sdk-agreement-forbids-real-time-route-guidance-dancing

I know you don't generally respond to comments, but I'd like to know the real story here.  Do you know for a fact that there can never be turn-by-turn GPS on the iPhone, or are you basing that opinion on your interpretation of the license agreement?

July 9, 2008 1:34 PM
 

daveinla said:

fzanes:

actually he might just have simply a better knowledge and culture of the computer. simple.

July 9, 2008 1:34 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

Honest criticism of the iPhone 3G, or any other product is fine. Pogue and Mossberg--especially Pogue--did very balanced reviews of the iPhone 3G. On that subject:

First, I think that the standard of comparison is other phones currently available, not some hypothetical perfect device, which of course doesn't exist and never will.

Second, David Pogue and Paul both get it right that the biggest thing is the iPhone app store. The thing is that it's a platform. None of the competiting devices are even vaguely like this.

Aside from the technical points, the thing I object to in Pauls' meta-review (review of a review; he specializes in this apparently) is the ad hominen remarks about Pogue and Mossberg, all in the form of "they aren't beating their wives in this article, at least not too much." Paul has this belief, nicely summarized in the "iCabal" phrase, that anyone who disagree with him is some kind of shill for Apple.

That unfortunate attitude started with the Mac/Windows debate and has now metastisized with the iPhone. It really undercuts what is sometimes good technical commentary.

For the record, Pogue does balanced reviews all the time. He makes no bones about liking Macs, but he is a REGULAR critic of Apple, just not in the chip-on-the-shoulder way that Paul does it.

Also for the record, in the darkest days of Apple, circa 1997, Walt Mossberg advised all his readers not to buy Macs. He has changed his opinion as Apple has changed its products, especially with the advent of OSX and Intel-based Macs. That's not bias, that's changing an opionion as new data appear.

So my review of your review of reviews is that it's not bad, but would be greatly improved if you just left out all the comments about the reviewers you're reviewing. (And I think that last sentence is almost worthy of Donald Rumsfeld.)

July 9, 2008 1:37 PM
 

johnpapola said:

nope, that would clutter up the looks of my vehicle.  I'm a mac-head, don't you know. Stickers are for cluttering up your $399 PC junker with last year's parts.

still ...I'm thinking you don't have much of value to contribute to the discussion.  Just tired, generic sniping about "marketing and hype".  Hope you're enjoying the "wow" with your "connected experiences" on Windows.

July 9, 2008 1:40 PM
 

BrightrevCarl said:

@Raaj

Why is it that it's the app developers fault for not developing their applications for Vista, but not the Wifi vendor's fault their Wifi doesn't work on Macs, when every other vendor's Wifi does?  I'm not defending Macs as much as I'm saying that you can choose to place the blame where you want.  I'd be all over the Wifi vendor about Mac support.

If you're using 802.1x and AD integration or something fancy for logon, then yeah - I can understand why Macs wouldn't support that, since they're second-rate AD clients by definition.  Again, though - that's an implementation problem more than a Mac problem.  

July 9, 2008 1:43 PM
 

DRWAM said:

You gotta give Gates and Ballmer the due respect of their own business abilties for bring MS to market share. That's just incredible. Jobes too for saving a company that almost died. Finally, Gates and wife's foundation and charity really deserves respect. Whatever happened in business is part of the how the business world runs. To sustain profitability takes some tough choices and stepping on toes. MS is trying many avenues to branch out, but it looks as if Apple made a few better choices recently. Things can go either way in 10 years.

One question. Does the iPhone GPS actually guide with [written] directions, or just show your location on a street map?

July 9, 2008 1:44 PM
 

dugbug said:

Paul is a fan of the iphone, he has said as much.  What does he have to do to appease the iFans? Dry-hump it?  He doesn't like the sappy soft-ball reviews that a lot of apple products get these days, and I agree with him on that.

-d

July 9, 2008 1:53 PM
 

fzanes said:

@johnpapola

@daveinla

@Snakedoctor1

Believe me, I have no problem with Mac heads...choose what you want to use, what works for you, that's fine.  I work in big IT shops, and when it comes to large scale operations, it's always been nothing but Windows.  

I’ve been running Vista for a while now and it’s been rock solid…there is simply nothing I want to do that I can’t do…gaming included.

I know this has gone way off topic, but I just can't help but be curious about what motivates people.  When driving, you get so used to sports and music on cars so when you see someone with an Apple on their car, you can't help but notice.  People identify fiercely with teams and music...seems to just be in our DNA.  To identify that fiercely with a Marketing/Tech company just has to be discussed.

July 9, 2008 1:59 PM
 

befuson said:

Wow!  How pathetic is it that John, Dave and the other morons hate Paul and his commentary so much, yet continue to subject themselves to it!

Masochists...

July 9, 2008 2:00 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

***rubbing eyes***

Did you just say something nice about David Pogue?

What's next? Complimenting Jon Gruber? It's been YEARS since you said anything nice about *him*.

July 9, 2008 2:23 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Actually Mossberg proved that he got a 3G iPhone at 5 times the speed of by posting a pic of the speed, so we can't argue that point as it's true for the location that HE used. His review falls a little short by not discussing features of how it handles Office documents. I have not seen that yet. Also, I am wondering if most iPhone users are probably Windows users, just like the iPod. So before criticizing your own people, think twice. If you call them losers, then Windows users are losers. It's if A=B and B=C, then A=C.

Me, I'm all alone with my Treo and Sansa. My wife uses an iPod, syncing with XP.

July 9, 2008 2:24 PM
 

DRWAM said:

fzanes, they just traded my neighbor, RJ Umberger. Bummer cause he was a good neighbor.

July 9, 2008 2:27 PM
 

Joshu4 said:

@Ocean

Getting a little redundant arn't we?

July 9, 2008 2:28 PM
 

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July 9, 2008 2:37 PM
 

daveinla said:

befuson;

we never said we hated Paul, he has some good comments sometimes and some good reviews.

He's just nut so good as said above when commenting other's comments and putting i everywhere.

He should just stick to personal opinion and reviews of windows stuff maybe and not turn his blog into a place where to flame the people who think otherwise than he does.

July 9, 2008 2:40 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"Jobs lead the Apple II to near 50% marketshare at that time."

What's your point?  Now Windows has 90+%, which Gates lead them to.  Is that not leadership?  I know you'll bring up the monopoly bit, and that's fine.  Companies do what they have to do, and as they have done.  To think that Apple would act any differently under similar circumstances is choking reason out of a turtleneck.  Guess what, Jobs wants to make money too.  His $1 salary hides the years ago backdating and the fact that he still ended up being one of the highest paid CEO's.  You know what, that's fine, but that don't make him a saint, either.

"Or how the iPod + iTunes utterly changed the face of the music distribution and is now the #1 music retailer."

OK, so now marketshare matters?  This is often a big disconnect I see with people on here.  In a previous article, the usual suspects were crowing about how marketshare doesn't matter, now suddenly it's a big point to show.  If marketshare doesn't matter, why bring up this point?

"Stickers are for cluttering up your $399 PC junker with last year's parts.

still ...I'm thinking you don't have much of value to contribute to the discussion.  Just tired, generic sniping about "marketing and hype".  Hope you're enjoying the "wow" with your "connected experiences" on Windows."

So much for being a champion of the people (the repressed iCabal) with a light-hearted ad-homium attack.  

And once again, I have to ask, why is everyone still hear if they can't seem to stand Paul?  I know I'll get a response that you are a geek, after all.  But I think these days it is seems like you are more or less waiting to attack, judging by the near immediate commenting that certain topics generate.

Anyway, I think I'll put the Windows orb logo on my car. ;)

July 9, 2008 2:50 PM
 

johnpapola said:

@DRWAM,

good posts.  All true and fair points.  I think we need a Jersey residents for reasonable discourse club.  I think you are sensing the lunacy of this "iCabal" label that Paul is pedaling. It really is beneath him.

@fzanes,

As for these "sticker people"... to each his own.  I know that my mac is the device I use more every day than any other product.  Why shouldn't I really enjoy it?  It's an empowering, engaging tool.  My iPhone is my favorite gadget of all time, especially given my long commute into NYC every day.

As someone that couldn't care less about spectator sports, I find it far more bizarre to be a rabid fan of any team.  It's not like you are ON the team.  The team doesn't do anything for you the way your gadgets do.  I frankly don't get sports fanatics at all.  It's just a weird behavior thing, like watching soap operas.  And if you think that music or sports isn't a big company with marketing... you're living in another world.  No offense.

Also, mac users have been dumped on as the minority for a long time, so showing the Apple love is part of promoting your platform to a windows world in the hope that it gets more support.  It's also a brand with a strong identity that many people identify with.  Austere, gorgeous design.  Premium quality.  Why not put up a sticker on your car?  Is it over-the-top nerdom?  for sure. Is hating people because they're a mets fan or yankees fan or red sox fan every bit as insane and bizarre.  You bet.

@befusion,

Who said anything about hate?  I like Paul.  I think he seems like a good family man and a nice guy.  This is called debate sir.  It's geek fun.  Sorry you don't just get it.

July 9, 2008 2:59 PM
 

RaaJ said:

@ BrightRevCarl:

You said:

=================================

@Raaj

Why is it that it's the app developers fault for not developing their applications for Vista, but not the Wifi vendor's fault their Wifi doesn't work on Macs, when every other vendor's Wifi does?  I'm not defending Macs as much as I'm saying that you can choose to place the blame where you want.  I'd be all over the Wifi vendor about Mac support.

If you're using 802.1x and AD integration or something fancy for logon, then yeah - I can understand why Macs wouldn't support that, since they're second-rate AD clients by definition.  Again, though - that's an implementation problem more than a Mac problem.

=====================================

My comments:

I said the Macs have a problem with our Wi-Fi access point (AP). As in the Macs cannot connect to the wireless network being transmitted by the Xirrus wireless access point. All our Windows machines work like a charm with the AP. There is nothing fancy going on other than usual WEP encryption with a pre-shared key. Macs choke on it with this AP for some reason, PCs work like a charm.

The code bits requried to connect to wi-fi APs come from the vendor of your PC's (or Mac's) wi-fi card. In the case of OS X, it is Apple's fault for not sourcing the proper code bits from the vendor of the wi-fi cards that they put into their Macs. Half-baked OS? Since all out Windows machines work wonderfully with this AP, there is no reason to complain.

In the case of a PC, the blame falls on third-party vendors for not supplying compatible drivers because it is not Microsoft's or Windows'

obligation to write or source these drivers, even though they do an infinitely better job of it than does Apple.

On the other hand any incompatibilities of built-in hardware in the Macs should be completely blamed on Apple, because it is they are the hardware vendor too. However, I don't see much criticism of Apple it at all, while Microsoft and Vista continue to get pilloried and crucified unjustifiably frequently for the mistakes of the software and hardware vendors.

July 9, 2008 3:01 PM
 

fzanes said:

@DRWAM

He was on fire in the playoffs, but they just didnt have the room for him.

Watch him go crazy in Columbus, and kill the Flyers when they play...

July 9, 2008 3:33 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Does Apple write the code for their Wi-Fi cards for sure? nVidia and ATI definitely supply the drivers for Mac OS. Also, my buddy finally abandoned his wireless N network on his Vista PC as it was too unreliable. He had an expensive Linksys - Wireless-N router and adapter [I am not sure if it was USB or PCI] and replaced it. The funny thing is that his Macbook had no problem connecting. It must have been a laptop since I know that his entire house was pre-wired with 'Tech-ports'  that were home run to the basement and had 2 cat5e and 2 coaxial cables bundled. I susoect that either the router or card/adapter was bad, but he was so frustrated that he returned it. Apparently, a new wireless router was provided when he switched from Comcast to FiOS.

July 9, 2008 3:45 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"He had an expensive Linksys - Wireless-N router and adapter [I am not sure if it was USB or PCI] and replaced it."

Funny you should mention that.  The drivers that ship with the Linksys Wireless N cards are crap.  If he had let Windows Update download the driver (over a wired connection of course), it probably would've worked.  The Windows Update drivers work better than the supplied ones.  I've dealt with several of these cards before, but never sold them personally.  

Now you know why.

July 9, 2008 3:55 PM
 

johnpapola said:

@dipsht,

Gates is a visionary tech leader.  I don't recall disputing that.  He understood the power of a standard software platform and had the vision to imagine "a computer on every desk".  Windows has played a crucial role is the democratization of technology.  Alright?

My post was reacting to the knock against Jobs.  I wasn't criticizing Microsoft or it's leadership.  My point about the Apple II have 50% share was simply to point out that the platforms that have had a chance to thrive under Jobs leadership have been able to achieve major market share.  Look at the iPod.  Look at the Apple II.   Same with iTunes.  This post was all about Jobs.

The Mac had its legs knocked out by the morons that ran Apple after Jobs left.  So low mac marketshare has nothing to do with Jobs.  It's frankly amazing the gains the Mac is making now under Jobs.  Talk about swimming against the current.

"So much for being a champion of the people (the repressed iCabal) with a light-hearted ad-homium attack.  "

Not sure how calling lame attacks like "Apple is all hype and marketing" out for having no value is an ad-hominum attack.  I wasn't attacking the person, just the remarks.  

"And once again, I have to ask, why is everyone still hear if they can't seem to stand Paul?"

Because it's a discussion.  Do you really just long for a yes-man laden echo-champer.  You seem smarter than that.

"But I think these days it is seems like you are more or less waiting to attack, judging by the near immediate commenting that certain topics generate."

Eh.  It's slow at work. Sometimes I'm waiting on renders or script feedback.  I won't deny that it's lame.

July 9, 2008 3:57 PM
 

DRWAM said:

He definitely updated his drivers and even used thier tech support. After 45 minutes of futility, he got disconnected and gave up. I would bet it was just a bad card/adapter. Something similar happened to my buddy with a USB adapter from Lynksys. I have no experience with wireless networks and Macs,  but my one experience with a Lynksys wireless G [WAP54G] router and the stock wireless card in a Dell XPS 410 was instant gratification. Vista did everything automatically, including setting up the network printer. Vista just asked, then instantly connected. He has not had a single problem in 4 months. He used to call about wired network problems with Windows Me [fully updated], every week. Thanks to Vista, I get fewer 'tech' calls from him at night. Now it seems he only needs me to help him with some apps, because he's getting better. He's 67 and his son is 12. [second was a 'trophy wife']

July 9, 2008 4:31 PM
 

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July 9, 2008 4:41 PM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Let me say that nobody in here is disputing the quality or the sheer genius of the iPhone. Its an amazing product and I've actually had friends let me check theirs out. It does a lot of great things but like all products, it has points of contention.

But you can't dispute that the choice of AT&T to that wonderful device is the iPhones "Achilles' Heel." At least to American customers. Their 3G network is sparse and very limited to major cities. Many of these customers are going to expect 3G coverage in the boonies and be stuck in 2.5 G Hell. If you remember the story of Achilles, he was completely invunerable except for his heels. I think this analogy fits the iPhone perfectly. Its really not so much Apple's fault. However, as the phone's creator, I would feel that Jobs should push Apple to lower the cost. Especially in lieu of the lack of nationwide 3G availability.

Some of the competitors are catching up. Many are looking at the HTC Touch Diamond as a phone that could truely rival the iPhone. Many reviewers have praised the Samsung Instinct, that does many features that iPhone doesn't. The Instinct's only weakness is the web browser. But I hear ther is an effort to get addtional mobile browsers as an option in the future. I really don't think the iPhone is the end all and be all of mobile phones. There are plenty of alternatives that excel enough to place what jury members would say is "reasonable doubt."

July 9, 2008 4:43 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Sub, it was only one of Achilles heels, not both. But I bet he would go down if you kicked hard in the nuts [unless he had his iPhone in his pocket, protecting him like an athletic cup. See, it could have saved him too! Or maybe an iPhone leg holster, worn very low. He might have still been alive, all because of Steve J.]

"According to a myth arising later, his mother, Thetis, had dipped the infant Achilles in the river Styx, holding onto him by his heel, and he became invulnerable where the waters touched him -- that is, everywhere but the areas covered by her thumb and forefinger -- implying that only a heel wound could have been his downfall."

July 9, 2008 5:00 PM
 

DRWAM said:

So based on what I've read, I guess that the iPhone GPS does not provide navigation . I don't really find that very useful since there are street signs on most corners. I usually need help finding a loacation from far away. I usually can find it if I'm in the nearby vicinity. so I don't think that a GPS without navigation would be very useful, especially if I printed a google map of the local vicinity.

July 9, 2008 5:18 PM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

@DRWAM

LOL. You might be right. And now we have a new Apple product. iCup. "Protect the family jewels."

Very amusing. But you are right. I should have been more clear. It is clearly one not both.

Peace.

July 9, 2008 5:36 PM
 

BrightrevCarl said:

@Raaj

You said:

=============

I said the Macs have a problem with our Wi-Fi access point (AP). As in the Macs cannot connect to the wireless network being transmitted by the Xirrus wireless access point. All our Windows machines work like a charm with the AP. There is nothing fancy going on other than usual WEP encryption with a pre-shared key. Macs choke on it with this AP for some reason, PCs work like a charm.

The code bits requried to connect to wi-fi APs come from the vendor of your PC's (or Mac's) wi-fi card. In the case of OS X, it is Apple's fault for not sourcing the proper code bits from the vendor of the wi-fi cards that they put into their Macs. Half-baked OS? Since all out Windows machines work wonderfully with this AP, there is no reason to complain.

===========================

I appreciate the response.  My point is this:  Wifi and WEP are standards.  There are no specific "code bits" you should need to connect to an individual vendor's AP.  You can probably find 30 brands of Wifi APs that Macs will connect to without a problem.  You seem to have the *one* brand of access point that doesn't work with a Mac.  How is that *not* the fault of the vendor?

I agree with you that the attacks on Vista are almost completely without merit and have said so many times.  That being said - same issue.  If I can find 30 accounting applications that work with Vista and I happen to run the one that doesn't, how is that Microsoft's fault?  It's only Microsoft's fault if most or all the Accounting applications don't work and it's only Apple's fault if most or all Wifi APs don't work.

So...why not just replace the thing?

July 9, 2008 5:37 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Sub, LMAO with 'icup'. That's a good one dude.

Peace back at ya!

July 9, 2008 5:41 PM
 

DRWAM said:

This dang Dell laptop. My gorilla thumbs keep hitting the trackpad, putting the curser in east gypip when I type, even after I deleted the software. It must use the default Windows software. I hate laptops, but you must admit that plug and play is finally working pretty well. Just a little too well for me! At least it beats the pre SP2 days when it was plug and don't play. Sometimes you get what you wish, then don't want it anymore.

July 9, 2008 7:49 PM
 

cesjr said:

subzerohitman721 -

"The Instinct's only weakness is the web browser. "

Really?  how about lack of wifi.  lack of equivalent to the App store.  lack of something like the iTunes store.  

The reviews have found flaws going far beyond the web browser.  In general, all these iPhone competitors lack the ease of use of the iPhone

Ease of use is the real "feature" on the iPhone, which none of the others have

July 9, 2008 7:57 PM
 

Mesh of Microsoft Technology Blog said:

People Lined up for iPhone already? Give me a break

July 9, 2008 8:05 PM
 

joe-dokes said:

Fzanes inability to see his hypocracy, is similar to Paul's inability to see his bias.

For the record I don't have an Apple sticker on my car.  For that matter, I patently refuse to wear any sports jersey, after all why should PAY to advertise for a bunch of millionaires and or billionaires?

Am I a fan of Apple?  Sure, I'm also a fan of 1968 Super Stock Darts, Patek Philippe watches, and I am a fan of beautiful architecture.  In short, I am a fan of interesting and unique forms of engineering, engineering as an aesthetic.  For the same reason, I am not really a fan of MS.  Simply put, MS has never offered a truly elegant solution.  They might get one portion of the engineering challenge right, but fail miserably on some other point.

Is Apple perfect? No, but like many American companies of the past they have leadership that is actually interested in building great products.  Compare this to Balmer at MS, who is interested in making money and "destroying the competition."

Is the iPhone a flawed device?  Sure, but I have yet to meet someone who actually owned one, who regretted buying one.  For example, for all of Paul's Apple bashing, he admists that the iPhone is now his Primary phone.  

For a phone with so many faults, limitations, and inadequacies he found it to be elegant, and useful enough for it to become his daily phone.

Regards

Joe Dokes

July 9, 2008 8:27 PM
 

weedmonk said:

@popola

..and more profit than Dell... and better customer service and satisfaction than any other PC "maker" in the business... and one of the fastest growing open-sourced mobile web platforms (webkit)...and they're own custom, unix-based operating system that provides the main competition to Microsoft for end-user innovation... and some of the most powerful and by far the most competitively priced professional content creation applications on the market...

fazanes... you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Ladies and gentleman. What can you say? They make more profit than Dell!!! And customer satisfaction hurray!!!!

Apple is fart in the wind compared to Dells footprint in comoputing. Its a mouse fart in the wind comapred to MSFT in the OS business. Its mosquito fart in the wind compared to Adobe or MS in the apps business.  What else oh yeah....its an Ant fart in the wind compared to Nokia in the Mobile market.

We don't live in your iWorld unfortunately.

July 9, 2008 9:16 PM
 

Steve75228 said:

Ah now we know that Walt Mossberg and David Pogue are part of the iCabal.  If you just read this article you would believe both of these journalists wrote glowing uncritical reviews of the 1st iPhone. Problem is, this is the internet and their original reviews are still available.

From Walt Mossberg

solution.allthingsd.com/.../the-iphone-is-breakthrough-handheld-computer

Our verdict is that, despite some flaws and feature omissions, the iPhone is, on balance, a beautiful and breakthrough handheld computer. Its software, especially, sets a new bar for the smart-phone industry, and its clever finger-touch interface, which dispenses with a stylus and most buttons, works well, though it sometimes adds steps to common functions.

Missing features: The iPhone is missing some features common on some competitors. There’s no instant messaging, only standard text messaging. While its two-megapixel camera took excellent pictures in our tests, it can’t record video. Its otherwise excellent Web browser can’t fully utilize some Web sites, because it doesn’t yet support Adobe’s Flash technology. Although the phone contains a complete iPod, you can’t use your songs as ringtones. There aren’t any games, nor is there any way to directly access Apple’s iTunes Music Store.

From David Pogue

www.nytimes.com/.../27pogue.html

As it turns out, much of the hype and some of the criticisms are justified. The iPhone is revolutionary; it’s flawed. It’s substance; it’s style. It does things no phone has ever done before; it lacks features found even on the most basic phones.

There’s no memory-card slot, no chat program, no voice dialing. You can’t install new programs from anyone but Apple; other companies can create only iPhone-tailored mini-programs on the Web. The browser can’t handle Java or Flash, which deprives you of millions of Web videos.

The two-megapixel camera takes great photos, provided the subject is motionless and well lighted . But it can’t capture video. And you can’t send picture messages (called MMS) to other cellphones.

Both Walt and David criticize the Edge network, Walt calling it "pokey" and David saying it's excruciatingly slow".

So what is the basis for your claim, "I mean, these were the people who completely overlooked (or just plain didn't know about) the original iPhone's many defects a year ago."

Did you even read the original reviews or are you so  caught up in this iCabal theory that your judgment totally impaired?

Oh, and here's a statement from another iCabalist...

"On the other hand, I love good technology. And the iPhone is chock full of good technology. Some of what this device does is so amazing, and so revolutionary, that you will literally find yourself mouth agape as you realize that everything you used before is now as passé as black and white TV or VHS tapes."

That was your first review of the iPhone.  I mean, come on Paul, get back to writing good critical reviews, offering insightful comments and get off this kick of bashing other journalists. You're really starting to come off as petty and extremely misleading.

July 9, 2008 9:16 PM
 

johnpapola said:

@Weedmonk

Dude, you're drifting into Waethorn winCabal territory.  Just vapid, ignorant rambling.  Sorry to say it, but come on man.  

"Apple is fart in the wind compared to Dells footprint in comoputing. Its a mouse fart in the wind comapred to MSFT in the OS business. Its mosquito fart in the wind compared to Adobe or MS in the apps business."

That's pretty amazing logic... or illogic.  How does Dell influence the industry?  Maybe by driving prices down... and that's it.  Apple is pushing hardware design forward, OS technology forward, professional content application development, as well as mobile phone design, etc, etc...  All of these areas are truly influenced by Apple and none of them are influenced by Dell with it's stale commodity box assembly business.

So you arbitrarily value sales volume of a commodity corporate box that'll never run anything more than office and is only marginally different than a cash register over a geniune innovator like Apple... who also makes much more money, has much more influence and delivers much more value to their shareholders.

Some "fart in the wind".  Your definition of "footprint" is myopic to the point of delusional.  Does Apple have tiny worldwide marketshare?  Yes.  Have I and others demonstrated conclusively why that matters less than virtually everything else?  Beyond all reasonable doubt.

@Steve75228

Indeed, sir.  Well played. Of course, there is no iCabal.  It's a limp rhetorical construct known as a "strawman" that Paul is truly obsessed with employing every time he blogs about Apple.

July 9, 2008 11:47 PM
 

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July 10, 2008 5:30 AM
 

Mum said:

"I have actually seen people driving around with the Apple logo on their CARS!!!  Pure brainwashing is the only way to explain that.  They are a technology company, not a sports team…people act as if it’s some kind of status symbol and lifestyle choice that they are supporting.  It's a computer, it's a tool...it doesn't define you.."

Yes, it is, and yes, it does, like any choice you make, be it spouse, work, home, clothes, diet, hobbies etc.

Certainly there's no proof that Apple knows how to market to "impressionable, easily manipulated people" - research shows that people who use their products are, in general, more intelligent and earn more money. But that's all part of a bigger picture regardless of whether there is any truth in it. Envy also does play a huge part in this.

I use Macs and some other Apple products (and have for over ten years, but I tend to really use my computers and iPods until there's nothing left of them), and I've seen it thousands of times: aside from being highly productive (because Macs and other Apple products seem very intuitive to me) I get extra "cool" and "smart" points from friends and clients simply for owning and using Apple's products.

The said research aside, using Apple's products in general makes you look more intelligent and well off in other people's eyes. With clients this of course directly translates into higher earnings, so in fact I'd be stupid to not use Macs.

When it comes to product features Apple mostly does not have an advantage compared to other manufacturers. But when it comes to educating people about what their features are and how they are accessed they certainly are ways ahead anyone else.

Using these features on Apple products that are really hard to even find let alone use on competing products is partly what makes you look smarter among people who might not be stupid, but just aren't interested in technology.

Many of the most intelligent people that I know couldn't care less about technology itself. They just want to get sometimes complex things done easily. Public perception in general seems to be that geeks aren't very intelligent and if they are, they're rarely successful in any other areas.

Here's where Apple has hit a vein.

Using their products is connected with being successful, because they've made their technology usable to people who have better things to do than play around with machines. And if people think you are successful, then you often become just that.

July 10, 2008 5:32 AM
 

fzanes said:

@Mum

"using Apple's products in general makes you look more intelligent and well off in other people's eyes"

Are you serious with this comment? If this is what is important to you, then I feel bad for you.  There's actually no way I can respond to that without sounding like I am putting you down, so I will just keep my comments to myself on that on.  

If you really think that the electronic  products you buy, define who you are to other people, I really don't know what to say either.

"I get extra "cool" and "smart" points from friends and clients simply for owning and using Apple's products."

I have always looked at Apple as valuing form over function, and you sound like the perfect Apple consumer...more interested in the "look" and the way you think people will perceive you because you simply gobbled up the latest Mac offering.

I hope I never find myself in whatever business you run...I'm actually more interested in what business and services can do, not what it looks like they can do.

July 10, 2008 6:37 AM
 

Dude1313 said:

pthurrott  said:

When you start to disagree with most of your peers, you may actually be on to something: Not being a lemming. :)

Sorta like all those who choose to use something other then Windows?

(Commence mental gymnastics from the Win-jihad crowd)

July 10, 2008 7:24 AM
 

Dude1313 said:

Dipsh t Admin said:

"Or how the iPod + iTunes utterly changed the face of the music distribution and is now the #1 music retailer."

OK, so now marketshare matters?  This is often a big disconnect I see with people on here.  In a previous article, the usual suspects were crowing about how marketshare doesn't matter, now suddenly it's a big point to show.  If marketshare doesn't matter, why bring up this point?

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Please don't lump me into this category.

Does market share matter in the PMP space? Not so much. Ask Sony if their Walkman leading position of the last 20 years up until the dawn of the PMP digital age matters now.

Market share is a meaningless statistic if that is all you care about, especially if there is no frame of reference to it; no context.  Reasoning, If that's the case then consider this:  There are far more Minivans on the roads then sports cars. does that make mini-vans better cars? More people eat at McDonalds then The Four Seasons. Does that therefore mean that McDonalds sells better food. More people shop at Wal-mart then any other store on the face of the planet. Does that mean that Wal-Mart is the definitive shopping experience? More people watch soccer then any other sport on the face of the planet, does that make better then Football?

You can go on with countless examples and here is what is so ironic. Shouting Marketshare with no context is idiotic anyway you slice it. And long before the mac fans were shouting PMP market share windows-jihadists were spouting the "virtue" of markestahare as the be-all, end-all of an argument.

To all those sans Subzero and Dip who I actually consider quite reasonable on the Windows-side. Its quite funny that you are so threatened by Apple being successful, After all if you are like Waethorn your business model (any therefore livelihood) is threatened the more successful Apple becomes. As to the rest of you? Need some validating of your choice of computers it seems? Oh thats right your sick of Apple's "lies", Apple being nothing more then Marketing, etc, etc... ad naseum. Excuse me while I laugh.

fzanes wrote

I have actually seen people driving around with the Apple logo on their CARS!!!  Pure brainwashing is the only way to explain that.  They are a technology company, not a sports team…people act as if it’s some kind of status symbol and lifestyle choice that they are supporting.  It's a computer, it's a tool...it doesn't define you...

Snakedoctor wrote:

What I think is silly are sports fans.  They wear jerseys with other peoples names on them, put stickers on their cars, posters on their wall, mouse pads and wallpaper, pay tons of money to see them in real life, have no problem with them making tons of $$$$$$$$ to play a game, often worship them as some kind of role model as and ignore the wrong doings of them.  Some even use the team logo as an avatar:)  Some probably think sports fans are tools!!

Irony knows no bounds Snake... good job. Sorta  like its a sports team, it doesn't define you...

July 10, 2008 7:50 AM
 

Mum said:

"Are you serious with this comment? If this is what is important to you, then I feel bad for you.  There's actually no way I can respond to that without sounding like I am putting you down, so I will just keep my comments to myself on that on."

You didn't understand much of what I wrote, the point being that Apple products do enable people who aren't technology oriented to use quite advanced and complex features without a second thought. This appeals especially to artists, who couldn't care much about computers but still want to get things done.

I'm talking about a general perception among people, not my views. A person can say that marketing doesn't have an effect in their choices, in which case they're incredibly naïve; and they can say it doesn't matter what other people think of them, in which case they're either lying or a**holes.

"If you really think that the electronic  products you buy, define who you are to other people, I really don't know what to say either."

Is there any one single thing that defines you to people? No. (Unless you're a mass murderer.) But your level of gadget geekiness is a part of it all. Apple customers often care less about tech toys than, say, winnerds who read this blog (or write on it, cough).

"I have always looked at Apple as valuing form over function, and you sound like the perfect Apple consumer...more interested in the "look" and the way you think people will perceive you because you simply gobbled up the latest Mac offering."

And I didn't even mention looks, I was talking about functionality all along. Which is the first, if not the only, thing I am extremely interested in.

I know this much about product design: Apple's products are certainly not "form over function". Those two things are equal. Many competitor's offerings are lacking on the form side, which directly weakens function too. (Certain mobile phone companies come to mind).

"I hope I never find myself in whatever business you run...I'm actually more interested in what business and services can do, not what it looks like they can do."

How do you find out what a business or a service can do? You pick one and try it out. How do you pick one? Can you somehow avoid "looking" at them, in which case it wouldn't matter what a company "looks" like?

When it comes to the image you put out as a company then yes, it certainly matters: you want the clients to come to you the first time. But of course the product they are buying is what makes them come back. A graphic designer, digital image artist or an audio engineer who doesn't use Macs has a lot of explaining to do, and unfortunately often for a good reason.

July 10, 2008 8:14 AM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"fzanes" spews:  "I hope I never find myself in whatever business you run...I'm actually more interested in what business and services can do, not what it looks like they can do."

Interesting comment. Completely wrong, but interesting.

When I first opened my own business, the business writer for the local newspaper came by to profile me for an article. I had taken great pains to "hide" the technology needed to to my job; the office looked like any other office, with no real visual cues as to what I do.

The first comment out of his mouth when he walked in the door was, "Wow, I expected to see a lot more equipment."

Repeat after me: "Perception Is Reality".

I learned my lesson. My gear is now prominently displayed, and believe me, it makes a huge difference. Why? Because it "looks" like I can do what my business advertises.

Similarly, I've had several experiences where people have started conversations that led to increased business simply because they noticed the Apple logo on my laptop. I don't choose Apple because I'm some kool-aid drinking partisan (as I've pointed out, I also use Windows boxes for certain tasks, or when absolutely necessary). I chose to base my technology usage around Apple because it made good business sense. For my business, for what I do, using Apple products is a huge advantage. YMMV, but don't dismiss the effect.

July 10, 2008 11:01 AM
 

fzanes said:

@lotsamystuff

I don't base my opinion of any business on what the building looks like, or what logos are prominently displayed on the gear they use.  Just because you surround yourself with a bunch of flashy machines doesn't mean you can do your job better.  Talk to people and find out if the business can deliver…the proof is in the pudding, not in the bowl the pudding is in!!

I think it is so funny when people get ready to buy a new computer they think that because they are buying the latest, most expensive, best “looking” thing out there it will somehow make them become better at whatever it is they are doing.  People would be better served by buying a mid-priced machine and using the rest of the money on classes, book, or training DVDs.  

I have run into so many macheads over the years that have that attitude...I guess it has affected me....

July 10, 2008 11:47 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"if you are like Waethorn your business model (any therefore livelihood) is threatened the more successful Apple becomes"

I'll be wealthily retired before I feel the least bit threatened by Apple.

"I think it is so funny when people get ready to buy a new computer they think that because they are buying the latest, most expensive, best “looking” thing out there it will somehow make them become better at whatever it is they are doing."

THANK YOU!  Since when is it fashionable to spend more money?....Let me rephrase that:  When does being fashionable mean that you can deliver on your promises?

"People would be better served by buying a mid-priced machine and using the rest of the money on classes, book, or training DVDs."

....for business education, no less.

July 10, 2008 12:51 PM
 

Mum said:

"the proof is in the pudding, not in the bowl the pudding is in!!"

So you are saying that marketing doesn't have an effect on your consuming choices. I hope you realize how naïve, and impossible, that is.

(Anyway, being a food fanatic: the bowls matter as well, because people - and even that includes you - actually perceive more beatiful dishes more delicious and nutritious. It's built into the genes.)

"I have run into so many macheads over the years that have that attitude...I guess it has affected me...."

That's weird, I hate the same thing.

July 10, 2008 2:15 PM
 

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July 11, 2008 1:18 AM
 

DRWAM said:

It looks as if the GPS DOES give navigation as per the Apple web site. I guess that some of the reviewers don't know it:

"Get directions to wherever from wherever. View a list of turn-by-turn directions or follow a highlighted map route and track your progress with live GPS tracking."

July 11, 2008 4:34 PM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Dude1313 said:

To all those sans Subzero and Dip who I actually consider quite reasonable on the Windows-side.

Thanks for the compliment. I do try my hardest to see both the positives and negatives and to be fair but biased. That's is the least I can expect of anyone.

As for your comments on marketshare, do you do make a very valid point. However, I would say marketshare along with a good demographic breakdown of marketshare is a powerful tool. Take for example the classic Star Trek. It got terrible ratings during its original run. But when NBC did the demographics in 1970, NBC discovered that Star Trek was extremely popular with the 18 to  24 year old males demographic. If NBC didn't cut their budget and put the show in the proper time slot, the classic Trek could have been a much bigger hit. Its syndication reruns ratings are proof of it. Along with the spawning of 10 movies and 4 television series, NBC dropped one of the most successful franchises in pop culture history.

Breaking down marketshare with demographics helps you plug in other products you can sell. This is why the iPod is so extremely popular. Not everyone likes the earbuds, so there are tons of headsets being sold for iPod. Some people want to watch TV, so their are RCA adapters for television viewing. The same for iPod covers, radio adapters, and other accessories.

In the computer market, thats where Office, Money Plus Delux, One Care Live, Microsoft Street and Trips, and other products come into play. You also break it down by gender to see what works with women or what needs to be improved. Other breakdowns demographically include region, race, religion, income, and other factors. This is now in the last 30 years becoming a business fundamental principle. Plugging into your marketshare other accessories and products gives you returing customers for addtional services. The obvious net effect is boosting your bottom line.

July 11, 2008 8:35 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

@Dude1313

""Or how the iPod + iTunes utterly changed the face of the music distribution and is now the #1 music retailer."

OK, so now marketshare matters?  This is often a big disconnect I see with people on here.  In a previous article, the usual suspects were crowing about how marketshare doesn't matter, now suddenly it's a big point to show.  If marketshare doesn't matter, why bring up this point?"

Apple pioneered the GUI desktop, MS gained marketshare by copying what Apple did.

Now, Apple has pioneered online music AND gained marketshare from it.

Apple innovates, MS copies. MS succeeded with a bad copy in the desktop world, and has failed miserably in the music world. Apple innovated in both areas, won the marketshare war in music---and is now back for round two of the desktop war, which why all the Windroids are so threatened.

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