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Xbox 360 Avatars can only be used in non-violent titles

I’m nervous about this avatar silliness. They look ridiculous. And they feel like a calculated attempt to turn a hard-core gamer’s machine into something that’s a lot more soft and cuddly. It’s like trying to sell a muscle car to a little old lady. It just feels wrong.

Anyway, this Develop post provides a bit more information about Microsoft’s Wii-like (and obviously Wii inspired) moves:

At Microsoft’s recent Gamefest event in Seattle, the company’s Xbox Live GM Eric Kilgore detailed ways developers can get on board with the new 360 dashboard, confirming they would be allowed to use the new Mii-like Avatars in-game – but admitted some firm details were still being fleshed out.

The new Xbox 360 dashboard and its new features – which include player Avatars tied to each machine’s player profile – were announced by Microsoft at E3 three weeks ago. During Gamefest, the company was keen to point out the versatility of the new player identities.

“We think it’s really important that these things can scale between in game and out of game, and how we can use them on the web,” said Kilgore of the Avatars, explaining that Microsoft is designing them so they can be seen not just via the Xbox dashboard but also websites, and embedded in forum profiles and Facebook pages the way gamertag information can be.

But most important was how developers can access and use Avatar data, said Kilgore, adding that he envisioned “a category of games to use [Avatars] in different ways”.

Avatars can be incorporated into games as either full 3D models or 2D images - although Microsoft added that it has only just opening ‘the dialogue’ with developers to “understand how it can be integrated with your ideas”.

I think I liked it better when the Xbox 360 was all about being the best and not about appealing to people who really aren’t into games anyway. Maybe it’s just me.

Published Aug 10 2008, 12:26 PM by pthurrott
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Comments

 

Steve2000 said:

It's definitely just you.

August 10, 2008 11:23 AM
 

Anthony Cook said:

I like the avatar thing, i think its important for the 360's growth that it should appeal to a wider audience. I have a couple of 360's in my house and i would be getting more than my moneys worth if i can get the family together and have a laugh on some party games such as the upcoming Lips singing/singstar style game. As well as that i would still be getting my hardcore gaming fix with stuff like gears 2.

The avatar system is not mandatory and can be disabled so you can use your old gamerpics. So if anyone is strongly against avatars you don't have to use them.

August 10, 2008 11:55 AM
 

yert said:

We should have a petition. We can title it, "Save XP!" and be sure to get lots of signatures from people who eat up the tech media's vomit. The contents of the petition should be something like this: Microsoft should save XP by allowing Avatars to be in any game. Perfect, and will get straight to Microsoft, despite only slightly making more since then Infoworld's  Headline Pandering Petition.

August 10, 2008 1:41 PM
 

arctikphox said:

Paul,

Kind of related...have you tried Tee it up! Golf? Wow.

I'm a 'hardcore' gamer and play with my brother in law on a regular basis. Gears, Halo 3, COD etc. We are co-op fiends and do play online as well. The more I play online however the more idiots I meat (especially in shooters).

Anyway...back to my point.

We are adicted to this Wii like game. It is so much fun - heck our wives have even played a few rounds. If these types of games are a sign of the time, and the whole new Wii look is part of it, I'll at least give it a shot.

Keep up the great work and don't worry about the trolls!

JB

August 10, 2008 2:32 PM
 

Ocean said:

>>And they feel like a calculated attempt to turn a hard-core gamer’s machine into something that’s a lot more soft and cuddly.

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I think I liked it better when the Xbox 360 was all about being the best and not about appealing to people who really aren’t into games anyway.<<

1.  They are optional, if I remember correctly.

2.  The Xbox 360 is all about making MS the maximum amount of moolah possible.  Nothing more.

August 10, 2008 11:25 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"I think I liked it better when the Xbox 360 was all about being the best"

When would that have been?

"The Xbox 360 is all about making MS the maximum amount of moolah possible."

Then I think we can pronounce it a "miserable failure". Mission not accomplished.

August 11, 2008 10:20 AM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Paul,

I'm evenly split on this one. I have no objection to casual gaming. It should be an option on the 360. Infact one of my favorite games on the classic Xbox was the Army Men series. It was casual and fun at the same time. Its definitely something thats missing from the 360 and should be filled.

However, I'm decidedly against the Avatar system. I think each console should do its own thing. I like the dashboard the way it is. I had the Wii at my house for 3 months. The first two weeks I was enjoying it. After that, not so much. It just sat there and collected dust while I played my 360 and classic Xbox games that have better replay value in my opinion.

If it wasn't so Mii-like, if it was uniquely different system then I wouldn't be so opposed to it. Perhaps if they colaborated with all the third party developers to create a 3D and or Manga like representation of the user in the video game world. That would be decidely different and likeable to all gamers. Like if you could take elements from your favorite games character, and design yourself using some of these traits. That would be a much better and original system. Like say you take the sneaking suit of the Metal Gear series and add any of the weapons from Halo 3. There would be many different combination elements to this system.

I'm glad that MS is allowing this to be optional. I would seriously trade in my 360 for a PS3 if the avatars were mandatory. Microsoft  has this "me too" obsession that is dangerous and boring. Hire the right folks to give a decidedly different approach.

I think Microsoft's problems with the 360 are this.

Number one, 360 is still way too high in price. I'd slash it down so that nobody could resist buying it. In my opinion, it should be 119.99 for the core, 179.99 for the mainstream line, and 219.99 for the elite. Just undercut Nintendo's price and force them to go lower. (I know it won't happen. This is what I would do.)

Two, get the games out that people want. Still no word yet on the Star Wars: KOTOR frachise. Fans still waiting on number 3. Would easily be a big sell if done right? Even a revamped and more completed version of number 1 and 2 would be good. (Kind of like the grand theft auto double pack.) Also, a really good version of the Star Trek franchise would be a welcomed change. Also there has yet to be a decent version of the Gundam franchise on the 360. New versions of Army Men would be cool too.

Third, get out bigger storage at a lower cost fast. This is one weakness that Microsoft should be exploiting.

Next, I would have the Xbox marketplace on a subscription model based on money. The point system sucks, period. All you can download music, movies, tv, and games. Imagine how people would eat that up.

Last, make Xbox Live Free to access. Demos all free. Everyone has instant access to the demos. The whole Gold member thing is just dumb. Everytime someone tries this, it just never works out. Remember when Star Trek official website was exclusive for MSN customers? Didn't work.

Microsoft does these and customers will say Ninten-who? Play Hardball with Nintendo on price, their current lack of storage, and no subscription model. Continue to make deals with third parties to lock in exclusive titles. That would absorb the Wii's thunder fast. If they did this just before the holiday season, you'd see the kids shift away if all the best exclusive titles were on the 360.

August 12, 2008 10:28 AM
 

Dude1313 said:

Best quote ever on this:

"You said it best Bro, But just sit back and enjoy the tears. Two system generations before many didn't support Nintendo, just like Sega. Only Nintendo didn't quit they found a new market without the gamers that gave them the finger.

The only reason so many gamers hate Nintendo, is because they are irrelevant to Nintendo's world now, when they thought they had so much power over".

This speaks to what bothers most "gamers" about Nintendo. They blew off Nintendo and expected them to fold. Nintendo shrugged and went off and created a entirely new market (completely) and one not dependent on the gaming crowd.

Then the gaming crowd sits back aghast and tries to explain away who the Wii outsells the 360 and PS3. Look no further then Paul.

I'm largely impartial to this as I don't have one of the current consoles this generation. I does make me smile that Nintendo is kicking the crap out of MS and Sony, in some months combined.

August 15, 2008 8:07 AM
 

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