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Good morning, Paul.

What can we expect from You (Coveritlive) today?

Been enjoying the coverage so far. Although do leave out the WW(Laporte)  induced complex about comparing everything w.r.t the emaciating scion in Cupertino.

The Coveritlive hasn't gotten refreshed from yesterday.  Until it does, go to istartedsomething.com

If you want the live blogger chat, it's at www.winsupersite.com/pdc along with them streaming the audio and (sort of) video.

New release of World Wide Telescope!

(If you have the old version installed, just do the usual Check for Updates thing)

Paul is quoted in The Windows Blog

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“Well, let me ruin the surprise up front. Windows 7 is Windows Vista done right. If you're already a fan of Windows Vista, you'll love Windows 7 because it's a better rendition of that earlier OS. If you're a Vista hater, take heart: The makers of Windows 7 have reevaluated virtually everything about Vista and made changes small and large across the board. The result is a better Windows, no matter how you slice it.”

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From windowsteamblog.com/.../default.aspx

Oh, and Happy Birthday, Paul.

For any actual developers reading about the Professional Developers Conference, the Windows 7 Developer Guide is now available at code.msdn.microsoft.com/Win7DeveloperGuide

From Robert McLaw's Windows-Now blog: www.windows-now.com/.../windows-7-first-impressions.aspx

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What are you most excited about?

I’m really excited about Windows 7 as a whole, but I’ll run through the features that I’ll be covering more in-depth in my review that will be posted soon:

•New Taskbar: You’ll hate it at first glance, but you’ll love it in 5 minutes.

•HomeGroup: Simplified home networking. Allows you to easily discover documents and media on other Windows 7 computers on the network.

•HomeGroup in Windows Media Center: SoftSled on crack.

•Windows Media Center: Cleaner UI, DVD Library on by default, UI for adding Recorded TV folders.

•Play To: Queue media on your library to play on any DLN A-compliant device in your home.

•New Codec Support: h.264, DivX, XviD, non-FairPlay AAC.

•Touch: The new touch features are simply amazing. Take that, Apple!

•DirectConnect: VPN without the VPN

•Wireless: Simplified WiFi connections, built-in mobile broadband stack, better Bluetooth pairing.

There is a LOT more to be excited about as well. I hope you keep it here as we begin this Windows 7 journey together. Enjoy the keynote!

Since it isn't being covered...

Microsoft's I'm a PC ads have moved from the pre-recorded user statements to ones that were recorded by users and uploaded to Microsoft.com/Windows

@mike:

No word on the official stance on those Hyper-V things I asked about eh?

Wae

I tracked down the right guy but he's out of the office for two weeks for the two shows.

@mike:

dang

I'm hoping they finish all the documentation on the TechNet Library before the 12th of Nov. launch.

Part of it is going to be about deployment of client workstations on SBS, which I'm curious about.  I know many SMB's will just buy plain systems from an OEM and join them up to the domain as-is, but I'm hoping they address software package and possibly SMB OS deployment in an SBS environment.  One of the major changes in SBS is that they removed the app package deployment wizards.  You can use a GPO, but it's just not as user-friendly.  I almost wish they had a "System Center for SMB's".  System Center Essentials doesn't cut it either, because it doesn't cover full software deployment.  It also requires a full version of SQL Server, which isn't part of the standard version of SBS.

Microsoft Deployment Toolkit seems a bit bloated/too modular for the SMB market.  SMB's usually like simple, more integrated solutions, hence the reliance on barebones OS/app installs from OEM's.

I still hope they offer their own solution to the problem of OEM's that overload systems with crap software loadouts.  At least my SMB clients that buy computers from me don't have to worry about it, as my systems ship very clean - drivers, updates, "Office Ready PC" trial/full version, Adobe Reader if necessary, Java if necessary, and Flash and Silverlight only on request for security reasons.

>>Windows 7 is Windows Vista done right.

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The result is a better Windows, no matter how you slice it.”<<

I look forward to this Windows.

Oh and Mike, yes, it looks like I may have been wrong.  

My apologies for that and all associated with it.

Has anyone read Randall Kennedy's article on his first impressions of Windows 7?

He really has got something against it.

weblog.infoworld.com/.../windows_7_oops.html

runner

Some people seem to just write their "review" ahead of time to justify their prejudices and ignore any actual facts.

I've been quietly going through the information coming out of PDC and the coverage from other outlets. While visually Windows 7 looks impressive, I will not be in a rush to judgement until I have a working beta version. All this stuff looks good on paper, but we need to see if Microsoft delivers in terms of actual OS performance on machines. My advice to all here is that this is just Milestone 3 and Seven has a long way to go before becoming RTM. Lets not make hasty judgements till we can actually work with it.

What I'm looking for is do we blow away benchmark performances versus a XP system? Do we get that Microsoft 2000 feeling from Seven? Is the business version maleable enough so IT's can strip down enough to make businesses want to mass adopt the OS? Can the user take out featured programs such as Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, and other applications without jumping through hoops. I also want to see if Microsoft adds features that cannot be replicated on OS-X? Does it catch up in downloadable options to equal certain applications in OS-X?

Thats more of the metric Windows Seven has to cross to be a major must buy in the final version. Microsoft has more than its work cut out. I mean we still haven't even seen an attempt to challenge iLife. So I'm going to be a heavy skeptic and raise the bar for Microsoft before declairing Seven a success or failure.

He talks about cutting and running because Windows 7 is too consumer focused. Cut and run to what? OS X is even more consumer focused. Linux is not ready for prime time and probably won't be ready for another century or so.

Anyway, at least Infoworld presents two views about Windows 7:

www.infoworld.com/.../44TC-windows-7_1.html

So, at least that helps the credibility of the magazine. I think mainstream newspapers should have a Mac guy focusing on OS X related stuff and a PC guy focusing on PC related stuff and maybe a crazy guy focusing on Linux (I kid). A Mac guy reviewing a PC will rarely be unbiased.  It's like having Sean Hannity review Obama's convention speech or Keith Olbermann reviewing McCain's.

"A Mac guy reviewing a PC will rarely be unbiased."

Completely agree! That is exactly why this blog is very biased. It's a PC guy reviewing (and I use the word reviewing extremely loosely, since it's mostly just biased anti-Apple posts with some smart ass comments as bookends) Mac.

Sub, do you really need that much? My $400 Acer Vista laptop came with the 160GB HD partitioned into two 80GB drives, so I'm ready for the beta baby!

When and where can we sign up for the public beta?

PS

I was bored and googled 'drwam'. I am NOT all those references, even at the Mac sites! So if you see them, it's not me. I even saw a drwamTV on you tube, but didn't check out the link.

"•New Taskbar: You’ll hate it at first glance, but you’ll love it in 5 minutes."

More like the OS X dock with every release. Copy.

"•HomeGroup: Simplified home networking. Allows you to easily discover documents and media on other Windows 7 computers on the network."

Bonjour, iPhoto, iTunes and others already do this. Copy.

"•New Codec Support: h.264, DivX, XviD, non-FairPlay AAC."

Good to see some better support to the better formats, h.264 in particular.

"•Touch: The new touch features are simply amazing. Take that, Apple!"

Haha, take that? They copied. Wow, how innovative. Not. The thing is that it's quite pathetically sad that Microsoft follow othes' lead. As always. They, of course, have no taste.

"•DirectConnect: VPN without the VPN"

Hmmm where have I seen this before? Oh yes! OS X.

I agree though. Vista II is looking like a catch-up to OS X. Again.

When I go to "The Supersite for Windows" I'm not surprised to see a positive bias toward Windows. It's a Windows oriented site.

When I go to "The Unofficial Apple Weblog" I'm not surprised to see a positive bias toward Apple. It's an Apple oriented site.

When I go to The Wall Street Journal or Infoworld or CNET or eWeek or TWiT.tv, I should be surprised to see a major bias and certainly stunned to see a uniform bias across an entire publication's tech coverage such as giving the Mac columnist ownership of the Microsoft column or basing all tech coverage out of Silicon Valley.

@robertsjoe

If you are trying to play the role of the typical Apple fanatic jack@55, then you win first prize.

Seriously, no ones gives a flip over you little "Ooooooh Apple invented everything" BS show. Not only is it trite, it makes Apple as a whole look like they seem to only attract the most immature users in the tech world.

Apple didnt invent any of these ideas, and have no claim to them whatsoever, just like they didnt invent the HD, LCD displays, Wi-Fi, Laptops, Icons, Desktop Wallpaper, the Dock, Event Sounds, Virtural desktops, Gadgets, Dual Booting, USB, Firewire, CD-Rom...or any of the other tech they use in their machines, and OSs.

But somehow I doubt that stops you from using it like the good little ihypocrite that we all know you are.

Mike, you're right. I think it's intentional. I feel they think it makes them look cool. These people behave like 90% of the population either doesn't exist or doesn't matter enough to deserve unbiased coverage of the software that it uses.

Example:

NY Times' Bits blog: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/

The only mention of MS is this: "Apple’s cheerfully nasty commercials get it right: Microsoft can either buy ads to tell us Vista is not so bad or it can actually make an operating system people like."

" Early rumors include some of what Microsoft is known for: changes in the user interface and a new standard for hooking up other devices that nothing in the market yet uses."

This was written on October 27th. An OS that hundreds of millions of people might use and no mention of it?

Lets be really honest here.  Windows 7 M3, pre-beta, is Vista with some tweaks and new features.  So when I read that the performance is the same as Vista, that is a big "DUH SSDD".

You wont be able to judge it until its gone RTM.  Then let the Vista/Windows 7 benchmarks begin.  I just want to see XP SP3, Vista SP1/SP2?, Windows 7, OS X 10.5, OS X 10.6 do a file copy test to a Windows 2003 server test.  Say a CD's worth of 5000 files.  Right now Vista is in last place.

@master3:

Firewire, initiated by, and major contributions by Apple.

Dock was invented by Next. The idea is now owned and patented by Apple.

@shark47:

"This was written on October 27th. An OS that hundreds of millions of people might use and no mention of it?"

Because it's hard to get enthused about something so mediocre. Microsoft is the new IBM. They are big, have lots of money, people don't get fired for buying it, but they are boring. That's not what non-business people, the general consumer care about. They have no taste. No one but the most die-hard get enthused about Microsoft.

"Because it's hard to get enthused about something so mediocre."

bonchy,

:-) So, reporters are there to get excited about products?

I guess NY Times or WSJ are not read by any business people.

My buddy just got an Acer netbook with XP [Atom CPU with 1GB RAM]. It looks like it may be able to run 7. I just read that either HP or Dell is entering the netbook market. MS looks as if they are trying to make an OS for everything, including these netbooks. Smart move.

"Firewire, initiated by, and major contributions by Apple."

Oh...ok. Well try using it without all of the other parts of the computer Apple didnt invent.

"Dock was invented by Next. The idea is now owned and patented by Apple."

Really? Then have Apple sue all of the software that uses one then. Wanna bet they never bring that lawsuit.

"Because it's hard to get enthused about something so mediocre....blah,blah,blah."

Dude, just shut up.

This is an amusing video. Multi-touch doesn't work well at all on Vista 2.

news.bbc.co.uk/.../7696648.stm

And the guy is right, copied Apple. But just not done well.

A pre-beta has some bugs? Oh my, who would have thought. Apple didn't patent multi-touch.

"This is an amusing video. Multi-touch doesn't work well at all on Vista 2.

news.bbc.co.uk/.../7696648.stm

And the guy is right, copied Apple. But just not done well."

Again, another idiotic post from the iTroll.

I suppose he's going to lie to us and say that Apple invented Multi-touch too?

As for this video, it again, lazy journalism, using tired Apple fanatic cliches to try to put the MS rep on the spot.

"Oh multi-touch...Sooooo what does that remind you of, eh?????"

As if Microsoft is somehow forbidden from using multi-touch because Apple put it in a phone. Great job there BBC.

Maybe you can ask Apple what does GPS in their phone remind them off, or when they get around to putting in copy & paste, hint at how others did it first and Apple is just playing catch-up.

The Apple world is being made to look like the petty, little people that they have always been.

Wasn't Surface demoed first?

"A pre-beta has some bugs? Oh my, who would have thought. "

:-)

"10/29/2008 12:16 AM – Just got back from a Windows Home Server meeting. Time for lunch…"

Talk about an early lunch!

""Dock was invented by Next. The idea is now owned and patented by Apple."

Really? Then have Apple sue all of the software that uses one then. Wanna bet they never bring that lawsuit."

Makes no difference if they bring a lawsuit or not. Fact is fact, they invented it.

"A pre-beta has some bugs? Oh my, who would have thought. Apple didn't patent multi-touch."

No, they just implemented it perfectly and brought it to the market. Not still showing it in some "still in development" demo. Then, the others follow. And in a highly useful device too. Not in some big-ass coffee table.

"I suppose he's going to lie to us and say that Apple invented Multi-touch too?"

No, I won't. Because they didn't Lying and false advertising is Microsoft's domain.

"As for this video, it again, lazy journalism, using tired Apple fanatic cliches to try to put the MS rep on the spot."

Lazy journalism? The dude tried to use it and it failed.

"As if Microsoft is somehow forbidden from using multi-touch because Apple put it in a phone. Great job there BBC."

Of course they are not forbidden. They are just following. Like always.

"Wasn't Surface demoed first?"

Demoed. Demoed. No usable product. Took ages to get the coffee table done. Apple had a real product out way before that. Just because they don't "demo", doesn't mean they saw the coffee table and thought, oh yeah, that would be great on a phone! No. Only MSFT would think to put it on a coffee table.

@DRWAM "My buddy just got an Acer netbook with XP [Atom CPU with 1GB RAM]. It looks like it may be able to run 7.

Sure you just need to do the following, turn of indexing, turn off search, turn off automatic defrag, turn off Aero, go all the way down to classic mode, turn off the sidebar, turn off system restore and turn off UAC.  At that point you have XP and it will run like a champ on that netbook.

You do know that XP has been specifically extendid for netbooks for the very reason that Vista will kill them.  From the horses mouth.....

www.microsoft.com/.../06-03ComputexPR.mspx

Oh and wait......

www.engadget.com/.../windows-xp-downgrade-deadline-extended-to-july-31-2009

As a business owner you never even have to use Vista.  If Paul is right you can get XP from Dell and the likes for 30 days past the June launch of Windows 7.  I have a buddy that just bought two Dells today for his office, a Vostro 220 and a new Latitude E something and on both he paid the XP tax, $99 to have XP preloaded.

>>My initial evaluation of Windows 7 shows that it's really just Vista with a fresh coat of paint<<

Isn't that what Paul said?

Makes no difference if they bring a lawsuit or not. Fact is fact, they invented it."

Fact is fact, you have no idea what you are talking about.

"..But let's say you're a true die-hard Steve Jobs zealot and want to argue that NeXT "invented" the dock. You'd still be wrong as docks were part of Acorn computers from the early 80s.  The point, of course, isn't who invented the dock, the argument of course is whether companies like Stardock (who wrote the Dell Dock) were somehow ripping off or stealing or what have you from the MacOS dock and I think you can see why this is such an obnoxious and offensive argument - we've been making docks since before Apple had figured out how to do preemptive multitasking."

draginol.impulsedriven.net/.../No_Mac_zealots_Apple_didnt_invent_the_dock

"No, they just implemented it perfectly and brought it to the market. Not still showing it in some "still in development" demo. Then, the others follow. And in a highly useful device too. Not in some big-ass coffee table."

And the video of the IPhone's multi-touch before they showed it to the press for the first time?

Yeah, I didnt think you saw it either, but we can assume that you will lie to us again and tell us it was perfect from the first day?

And it didnt work perfectly even after it was released. Here is an article from iPhonebuzz.com, entitled:

More iPhone MultiTouch Issues: handset goes haywire.

www.iphonebuzz.com/more-iphone-multitouch-issues-handset-goes-haywire-201398.php

Oh and "big ass coffee table" is not even an original line. At least if you want to be a good Apple troll, and be consistent, maybe you need to come up with original lines, and not rip them off.

"No, I won't. Because they didn't Lying and false advertising is Microsoft's domain."

Yeah,ok...

"Lazy journalism? The dude tried to use it and it failed."

So you cant follow conversations either: Try reading it again and get what I was talking about.

"Of course they are not forbidden. They are just following. Like always."

You mean like putting GPS in a phone? No following there, right?

But let me guess, Apple invented that too, just like of the other stuff they "invented":

The HD, LCD displays, Wi-Fi, Laptops, Icons, Desktop Wallpaper, the Dock, Event Sounds, Virtural desktops, Gadgets, Dual Booting, USB, web browsers, DVD, email, CD-Rom...or any of the other tech they use in their machines, and OSs.

@master3: Wow, you are really ignorant. NeXT invented the concept of the Dock. They got a patent for it just recently. But it belongs to Apple since Apple owns all of NeXT's IP.

"..But let's say you're a true die-hard Steve Jobs zealot and want to argue that NeXT "invented" the dock. You'd still be wrong as docks were part of Acorn computers from the early 80s.  The point, of course, isn't who invented the dock, the argument of course is whether companies like Stardock (who wrote the Dell Dock) were somehow ripping off or stealing or what have you from the MacOS dock and I think you can see why this is such an obnoxious and offensive argument - we've been making docks since before Apple had figured out how to do preemptive multitasking."

Preemtive multi-tasking, is that something Windows is proud of for having been out with it before Apple? Amiga did it in 1985. Even before the joke (Windows) was truly born.

"No, they just implemented it perfectly and brought it to the market. Not still showing it in some "still in development" demo. Then, the others follow. And in a highly useful device too. Not in some big-ass coffee table."

"And the video of the IPhone's multi-touch before they showed it to the press for the first time?"

Apple does not demo like Microsoft does. Who said there was a video? They just bring out devices, ready for market that work. Unlike the coffee table which was demoed, then took a long time to come out as a finished product.

"Yeah, I didnt think you saw it either, but we can assume that you will lie to us again and tell us it was perfect from the first day?"

Never said I saw it. Don't you read? Do you think that Apple saw Microsoft's video of the coffee table then said, oh quick! let's get multi-touch on the iPhone? They were working on it long before the video of the coffee table.

"And it didnt work perfectly even after it was released. Here is an article from iPhonebuzz.com, entitled"

You're dreaming, right?

"Oh and "big ass coffee table" is not even an original line. At least if you want to be a good Apple troll, and be consistent, maybe you need to come up with original lines, and not rip them off."

You mean become like Microsoft and their fanboys and just copy? Want me to not have taste too? Like Microsoft?

"You mean like putting GPS in a phone? No following there, right?"

And what phones does Microsoft make? Oh yeah, none.

"But let me guess, Apple invented that too, just like of the other stuff they "invented""

Nope, never said that. Nor would I. You're making stuff up. Not me.

People, people, people! Let's all calm down. This is all in good fun. Don't take things too serious.

Get some taste. Buy a Mac.

I think Master needs a FAT juicy hamburger!!

Ooh. The Mac'ies are cranky tonight.

Guess having the entire computing world changed out from under them has them particularly irrational.

Poor babies.

"Apple didnt invent any of these ideas, and have no claim to them whatsoever, just like they didnt invent the HD, LCD displays, Wi-Fi, Laptops, Icons, Desktop Wallpaper, the Dock, Event Sounds, Virtural desktops, Gadgets, Dual Booting, USB, Firewire, CD-Rom...or any of the other tech they use in their machines, and OSs."

You're saying Apple didn't invent *any* of the tech they use in their machines and their OS's?

"Guess having the entire computing world changed out from under them has them particularly irrational."

Looking at XP, Vista and now Vista 2, OS X and Apple have nothing to worry about. Absolutely nothing. Well, unless Apple wanted to create boring, lame and tasteless operating systems. Then, and only then, would they be worried.

Computing world changing? You're kidding right? This is Vista 2. Vista with some service packs. Nothing to see. Notice how the tech world is not excited (only MSFT people and their fanboys are) about any of this?

Come on you fanboyz! Put yourself up on the site of you like Windowz so much ;)

www.alleyinsider.com/.../microsoft-runs-out-of-celebrities-crowdsources-latest-commercial-msft-

Preemtive multi-tasking, is that something Windows is proud of for having been out with it before Apple? Amiga did it in 1985. Even before the joke (Windows) was truly born."

So after reading an article that proves you to be clueless on the origin of the dock, you change the subject?

"Apple does not demo like Microsoft does. "

Really? You just proved my point. And if you saw  video of the iPhone during it's stages of development, you would see that it was far from the perfection that wasn't even there after it was released.

MS shows their products during various stages of development, their stuff is used by too many people to play the little secret games that Apple can get away with. Windows7 isnt even at the Beta testing stage yet, so why should everything work 100% right now?

Please dont answer that, as you might veer off into something that has nothing to do with the question.

"And it didnt work perfectly even after it was released. Here is an article from iPhonebuzz.com, entitled"

You're dreaming, right?"

Again, after reading an article showing you to be ignorant, you give a nonsense answer.

"You mean become like Microsoft and their fanboys and just copy? Want me to not have taste too? Like Microsoft?"

Another nonsense reply.

"And what phones does Microsoft make? Oh yeah, none."

The subject was about you claiming that MS "follows" supposedly superior companies by implementing features after them, as if to say that MS is some lesser company as a result.

I gave you a quick and easy example of something Apple tossed into their product that already existed in other competing devices, showing that your favorite company "follows" others, and your response is "And what phones does Microsoft make"?

Seriously, you are an pathetic troll at best. No wonder you use Apple's stuff.

"People, people, people! Let's all calm down."

For once, you're right. I don't think we need to respond to every wild allegation made by nuts on either side.

Master, you have to understand that this is how these fanatics sell Macs - by making wild and unsubstantiated claims about PCs. To back it up, they use personal blogs or personal opinions. roberts is that annoying salesman who won't go away without completing the sale. lindy is occassionally as annoying, but for the most part is a less annoying version of roberts.

If you look carefully, most of their claims and assertions are baseless, but why bother taking the time to correct them? They're not going to change. They won't see reason. You're simply wasting your time.

Anyway, nice preview articles, Paul. Keep it going!! :-)

Long Zheng has a lot of articles on the design improvements too:

www.istartedsomething.com

@Mum

You're saying Apple didn't invent *any* of the tech they use in their machines and their OS's?"

Im sure some stuff they did, but the point was to counter robertsjoe moronic post where took features of Windows7, and then found equivalents in OSX. The tagline of the whole post in his own words:

"Hmmm where have I seen this before? Oh yes! OS X."

The tired Apple fanatic cliche that Apple invented everything and everyone just uses it in their own products. So I gave him a list of stuff that other people invented, and wondered why Apple was using it if they didnt create it.

He didnt have an answer.

@shark47

You're 100% correct.

"Ooh. The Mac'ies are cranky tonight.

Guess having the entire computing world changed out from under them has them particularly irrational.

Poor babies."

Ahh Mikey (Father of Paul as I have read???) jack of all winsupersite blog posts, master of NONE!  For that comment you should give one of your hamburgers to Master, he needs it you dont.  Share the love!!

My question with the world changing will my MSN premium and passport account still work?  Will my hotmail.com address change to live.com?  Will my 360 finally not RROD anymore? At least I can finally watch H.264 videos on Windows with out installing CCCP to do so.  My world has changed!!!!  Or it will in June of 2009 or was that Jan of 2010...I need to write this stuff down!

"Anyway, at least Infoworld presents two views about Windows 7:"

You're right. And oddly enough, the "PC Guy" (Kennedy) doesn't like it, and the "Mac Guy" (Yager) does.

What kind of muddled-up world is that?

"A Mac guy reviewing a PC will rarely be unbiased."

Really? And yet you linked to Yager's article.

"Guess having the entire computing world changed out from under them has them particularly irrational."

*snort*

You're about as funny as Seinfeld painting his toenails. Vista 2 is hardly revolutionary. Evolutionary, to be sure. But come on...you don't need to be so hyperbolic.

"Firewire, initiated by, and major contributions by Apple."

True.  So, now they go ahead and yank it from their newest tech.  Once again, if this was done by MS, the outcry would be huge that they are abandoning a standard they helped create.

"Really? And yet you linked to Yager's article."

I said "rarely", remember? :-)

"A pre-beta has some bugs? Oh my, who would have thought. Apple didn't patent multi-touch."

Ten seconds of research:

preview.tinyurl.com/5hptls

www.faqs.org/.../20080211785

www.faqs.org/.../20080211784

www.faqs.org/.../20080211783

www.faqs.org/.../20080211775

www.faqs.org/.../20080231610

www.faqs.org/.../20080211766

"I said "rarely", remember? :-)"

True, that. Even fanboi Pogue's Windows books outsell those "Secret" books written by Windows "experts".  ;-)

Hey Lindy:

Give it a rest.

Isn't appleinsider, or macrumors or some other mac web page calling you home?

PS:  Did I mention Vista runs great on my 3 year old Dell and I drive a Jag XJ6?

"I just want to see XP SP3, Vista SP1/SP2?, Windows 7, OS X 10.5, OS X 10.6 do a file copy test to a Windows 2003 server test.  Say a CD's worth of 5000 files.  Right now Vista is in last place."

It would seem that it's Server 2003 that's causing the issue:  

msmvps.com/.../unscientific-but-wow.aspx

msmvps.com/.../the-top-ten-wow-s-of-sbs-2008.aspx

"Sure you just need to do the following, turn of indexing, turn off search, turn off automatic defrag, turn off Aero, go all the way down to classic mode, turn off the sidebar, turn off system restore and turn off UAC."

Sorry, but that's just not true.  Did I mention I build Atom based nettops with 1GB of RAM?  They run Vista fully.  They even support Aero.  Lowest performance score is 2.5 (for video, which is based on the GMA 950).  The rest of the scores are in the high 4's.  Did I also mention that the motherboard runs (and includes) a fanless CPU and costs less than $80US, has dual-core and hyperthreading too?

"At that point you have XP and it will run like a champ on that netbook."

LOL!  Who the f* would want XP now, considering the security on it, and systems run Vista perfectly?  Ya, I'm sure you were saying the same about Windows 2000 about 2 years into XP's release too.

"I have a buddy that just bought two Dells today for his office, a Vostro 220 and a new Latitude E something and on both he paid the XP tax, $99 to have XP preloaded."

Much like lottery tickets, it's a voluntary tax for the stupid.

"Well, unless Apple wanted to create boring, lame and tasteless operating systems. Then, and only then, would they be worried."

They do.  And they are.

"At least I can finally watch H.264 videos on Windows"

"*snort*"

I'll take that as an obvious admission that iTunes is a PoS.  :)P

"OS X is hardly revolutionary. Evolutionary, to be sure. But come on...you don't need to be so hyperbolic."

That's better.

"PS:  Did I mention Vista runs great on my 3 year old Dell and I drive a Jag XJ6?"

Yes, you did. Doc, mention your $400 laptop. STAT!

"True, that. Even fanboi Pogue's Windows books outsell those "Secret" books written by Windows "experts".  ;-)"

I haven't read the book, but as long as every chapter is not filled with a "or you can switch to a Mac", it might be useful to people. Of course, Goatberg would probably have 80% of the chapters and content dedicated to Macs and the rest to Windows in his Windows book. (Don't know if he's already written one; don't care.) And the Windows section will be filled with useless and factually incorrect information.

"And the Windows section will be filled with useless and factually incorrect information."

With subtext by Leo.  *snicker*

"The tired Apple fanatic cliche that Apple invented everything and everyone just uses it in their own products. So I gave him a list of stuff that other people invented, and wondered why Apple was using it if they didnt create it."

Of course it happens both ways. I'd also say these newly published Windows7 features sound strangely familiar to someone who's been a Mac OS X user for some time but then OS X has started to resemble Windows in so many ways lately (possibly to make switchers feel more at home but unfortunately also alienating some present users in the process) that the whole discussion is not worth anything.

[One OT question to you native english speakers... Should I say "Web" or "The Web"? As in "Solutions for Web" or "Solutions for the Web" for a brochure I'm making. This one brit told me the latter is correct but then I see a "Save for web" menu option in Photoshop. Thanks!]

Delmont should you not be in that short line for McSame early voters?  Or maybe you are and your using your iPhone to post here?

@Weathorn "Sorry, but that's just not true."

Is that why most netbooks come with XP or Linux and the very reason XP was extended by MS?  Cant find Vista on any of these...

www.target.com/.../190-6650974-5426116

www.newegg.com/.../SubCategory.aspx

www.shopping.hp.com/.../cto.do;HHOJSID=LTtzJJ2VZdRyxQJkhbddn92q9Cvnn97fhqjnQXJG2PypGB2bT06D!328627536

Maybe you can link us to your shop where you sell Netbooks with Vista on them, I bet you are making a killing!

www.bestbuy.com/.../olspage.jsp

"Should I say "Web" or "The Web"? As in "Solutions for Web" or "Solutions for the Web" for a brochure I'm making."

You should say "Greasing the Intertubes".

Lindy, interesting correlation here.  Many on the Mac side complain about a PC guy writing about Windows, but here, you are a UK'er talking about American politics...

I live in the US.  Delmont has spewed his right wing, neocon dribble many times.  He is super easy to set off.  Its fun:)

My only real comments in this thread are the fact that no one runs Vista/Windows 7 on the current crop of Netbooks unless of course they like that kind of pain.  I just gave 4 links to common places that sell them and none of them sell one with Vista.  All of them are XP home or a distro of Linux.

"Is that why most netbooks come with XP or Linux and the very reason XP was extended by MS?"

To coin a phrase, "ten seconds of research" (actually it was less than that):

www.bestbuy.ca/.../proddetail.asp

(it was the 4th one in the list)

"My only real comments in this thread are the fact that no one runs Vista/Windows 7 on the current crop of Netbooks unless of course they like that kind of pain.  I just gave 4 links to common places that sell them and none of them sell one with Vista.  All of them are XP home or a distro of Linux."

To reuse a phrase:  "LIAR!"

From your link....

"Other features include 92% full-size QWERTY keyboard, Vista Business licence wiht XP Pro installed, touchpad, built-in stereo speakers and VGA webcam."

Wow they gave you the Pro version, you could join it to a domain!!   RDP to it, put a SMS client on it and push software!

I give you 4 links, with what 30?? Possible Netbooks that you can buy and you find the one that comes with a Vista license but has XP installed.  Pure genius.

May I suggest www.rif.org  it will greatly help you out in life.  Must be those schools in Canada.

"LIAR" are you Paul's brother?

"Wow they gave you the Pro version, you could join it to a domain!!   RDP to it, put a SMS client on it and push software!"

That's all stuff that's included in Vista Business - without the added security.

"I give you 4 links, with what 30?? Possible Netbooks that you can buy and you find the one that comes with a Vista license but has XP installed."

That's how HP sells almost all of their business class notebook systems.  All of the software discs are included with business class machines - XP x86, Vista x86, even Vista x64.

"May I suggest www.rif.org  it will greatly help you out in life.  Must be those schools in Canada."

LOL! *snort*

An american company.  I guess that's where you got your grade 3 grammar curriculum from.

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