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Is Microsoft making its own phone?

Rumors of Microsoft doing a smart phone on its own have been around for a long time, most recently with talk of a Zune Phone, or zPhone. OK. But we have to take the latest example of this rumor with a grain of salt because of the source, the long-time Microsoft Haters at the Inquirer, a UK-based virtual tech rag that makes a mockery of objective journalism, good writing style, and technology. Read at your own risk. And don’t believe it.

What do you get if you take an Iphone, remove the clean UI, user friendliness, nice industrial design, battery life, cachet, functional OS, and in general everything else that makes it worthwhile? The new Microsoft phone, powered by Nvidia.

Yeah, you heard it right, MS is going to make its own branded phone, after all, everyone kicking the company around the block has one, so it should too! If you were wondering why Nvidia never mentions the phrase Linux when talking Tegra, even though it is the most appropriate OS for the chip, now you know. NV appears to have sold Linux out to get the MS flagship deal, how nice of them.

The phone is slated to be announced at 3GSM this coming February, so if you plan on attending, please look surprised when MS unveils it. No word on when it will hit the streets but it probably won't be long after that.

We think this 'me too' phone will have all the success of the Zune. With that device, MS showed they know how to make an MP3 player that people want, great design, a UI that is vastly superior to the competition, and enough added bells and whistles so it is sure to disappoint the eight kids who find them under a Christmas tree.

Then there is the whole problem of partners.

I will say this. With the sole exception of the traditional PC/server industry, Microsoft’s business model of relying on partners to deliver products like Windows CE/Windows Mobile smart phones/portable devices, Windows Media Center PCs, Windows Media-compatible devices and services, and other products has been an abject disaster. So while we can all wring our hands when Microsoft decides to take matters into its own hands—as it has, finally, with the Xbox, the Zune, AV/anti-malware software, hosted Exchange, and other things—the truth is, sometimes Microsoft can simply do it better on its own. And let’s be honest, Microsoft’s partners are at least 50 percent responsible for the problems with Windows Mobile; and they are absolutely 100 percent responsible for the lengthy amount of time that passes between the release of a new Windows Mobile version and its appearance in the market.

So. I would like to see Microsoft makes its own phone, actually. I don’t think this article proves that. But I would like to see it, if only because most of Microsoft’s partners simply let it down, over and over again.

Comments

 

RaaJ said:

Par for the course for all these so-called 'Tech Magazines'. My eyes glazed over after they seemed to imply 'battery life' as one of the strong points of the iPhone. And what about that mythical 'functional OS'? Is that the same OS that I have that takes almost 5 seconds to pull up the contact list or to populate the settings screen? Not to mention the pitiful browser that crashes 9 out of 10 times?

These buffoons are ready to dump on a phone or a mobile OS they have not yet even seen with their own eyes.

November 25, 2008 8:55 AM
 

panache1023 said:

Maybe their partners are responsible for the things you say, but who is responsible for all of those failed XBOXs ($1 billion for repairs?)

November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
 

tayme said:

Most of the MS branded hardware that I have used is pretty solid. Keyboards and mice are exceptional. My family's 3 Zunes along with the Zune Pass that we share is awesome. The 360 that we have has never once had a problem, but I know that there have been those overheating issues that panache mentions. If they make a phone that is decent, I will probably give it a whirl...especially if it includes the Zune stuff. Lets wait and see what it looks like and how it operates, if these rumors are true at all.

--tayme

November 25, 2008 9:01 AM
 

shark47 said:

"Maybe their partners are responsible for the things you say, but who is responsible for all of those failed XBOXs ($1 billion for repairs?)"

Panache, Paul blamed partners for some of WMs problems. What does the XBox have to do with it? Failed XBoxes are Microsoft's fault. Microsoft accepted responsibility for it. So, what's your problem?

November 25, 2008 9:03 AM
 

panache1023 said:

My point, which I guess you couldn't understand was...

"So while we can all wring our hands when Microsoft decides to take matters into its own hands—as it has, finally, with the Xbox, the Zune, AV/anti-malware software, hosted Exchange, and other things—the truth is, sometimes Microsoft can simply do it better on its own"

Maybe not such a good idea to include XBOX in there...

November 25, 2008 9:08 AM
 

shark47 said:

"Maybe not such a good idea to include XBOX in there..."

I would add XBox to the list. Failures notwithstanding, Microsoft (hopefully) learned lessons from it. Moreover, in spite of the failure rate, the device itself is not a failure.

November 25, 2008 9:16 AM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"Microsoft’s partners simply let it down, over and over again."

True, that. And in the case of the "Vista Ready" debacle, the reverse is true as well. So much for the highly-vaunted "Microsoft Ecosystem".

I'll give Microsoft their due, though...they make a helluva good keyboard and mouse (that "arc" abomination notwithstanding). And the Zune finally seems to be coming in to its own. Guess there's something to be said for being control freaks.

November 25, 2008 9:17 AM
 

shark47 said:

November 25, 2008 9:25 AM
 

DRWAM said:

Contacts on my iPhone apper in under 3 seconds. I had Safari crash frequently after installing two new apps, but did a reset shortly after and now don't get Safari crashes. As stated before Exchange works better [fully functional] on my iPhone than my partners' Blackberry's. Some of the guys posted it's because of needed proprietary RIM software? But the iPhone works much better in comparison.

Zune phone would be great for competition.

November 25, 2008 9:58 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

The Inquirer and Joe "Apple Watch" Wilcox both believe it? Well, despite the rumor coming up and being denied every few months since 2002 or so, it must be true. After all The Inquirer and Wilcox have such a great history of accuracy.

Oh, wait. They actually both have a horrible history that's more often than not baseless rumor and innuendo that makes ValleyWag look good.

November 25, 2008 10:09 AM
 

daveinla said:

Tayme, your family has a 3% market share of the zunes !!!

November 25, 2008 10:15 AM
 

volwrath said:

I dunno .. My HTC Touch Pro blows everything out there away.  It wouldnt hurt Microsoft to create their own phone, but I'd be careful not to give the phone division any leg up on say HTC or Motorola or Palm.

November 25, 2008 10:23 AM
 

shark47 said:

"After all The Inquirer and Wilcox have such a great history of accuracy."

By the way, Microsoft is also working on making its own computer with a special OS based on 'Midori'. Windows will continue to be supported, though.

November 25, 2008 10:32 AM
 

DarkSages said:

Come on do you really think that Microsoft is going to make a phone. It stop making Zune devices for a reason, they want to continue to focus on software. I do think that they are up to  something but we wont know until Microsoft wants us to know. Also they are working with a close parner to mate their the devices. We all need to taken chill pill and wait until Microst actually releases Something to talk about. Between all devices right now I still take a windows mobile phone over anything else.  

November 25, 2008 10:36 AM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"Between all devices right now I still take a windows mobile phone over anything else."

Masochist.

:-)

November 25, 2008 10:41 AM
 

Dude1313 said:

I have no doubt that at some point MS releases its own phone...

November 25, 2008 10:51 AM
 

tayme said:

@volwrath - I have often thought about the HTC Touch if I ever decided to step into a personal smart phone. It looks intriguing. So far, I have not found the need...like I have said in the past, I don't need to be that connected. My job requires me to carry a blackberry...and if I'm not oncall, it usually sits unattended on my nightstand. But, curiosity is starting to creep into me, and I have been thinking about making the plunge. My wife will probably smack me around if I do it, but if I continue to take DRWAM's advise and work out daily, I'll be able to whip her pretty soon!!!  ;-)

--tayme

November 25, 2008 10:52 AM
 

bettieblu said:

Up until August of this year (when my Xbox Live account expired) I played on and off with a group of about 20-25 friends on the 360.  Once or twice a year we even had a Lan party with the 360's.  Good times indeed.

Everyone but one of us (last count) had at least 1 RROD some as high as 3.  I have had it happen twice.

Probably half of the group has moved to the PS3 because of it.  My 360 sits in a closet now.

Hopefully MS has learned a thing or two.  Also how much of the work would they do?  The orginal Zune was a Toshiba device with new plastic.

November 25, 2008 11:12 AM
 

chuckb84 said:

I have no idea if they will do this, but they abandoned their "partners" on Plays For Sure when they launched the Zune, so this is at least plausible.

The other thing we can predict is that it will be some new name, not a "Microsoft Phone". When Microsoft tries to strike out in new areas (no pun intended, although that's what usually happens) they come up with some new brand, Xbox, Zune, etc.

I'm all for it. It would certainly be a chance for improvement over the phones designed to the dictates of the cell phone carriers.

November 25, 2008 11:36 AM
 

panache1023 said:

Shark...

I like XBOX360...I even subscribe to XBOX Live, even though I almost never use XBOX anymore (just no time)...so I am basically GIVING MS money for nothing......so, now that it is clear that I *LIKE* the XBOX (I never even had a RROD)...

In what ways do you see it not as a failure?  I am pretty sure (although I could be wrong), the XBOX has done nothing but cost MS money...have they made any money?

I am pretty sure a business venture that does nothing but lose money is a failure....

Please explain how it's not...and please try to refrain from comparing to any other companies unless it's truly relevant.  No joking, I am curious to know how XBOX is not a failure, and I actually love the thing!

November 25, 2008 11:42 AM
 

panache1023 said:

Chuck,..

"I have no idea if they will do this, but they abandoned their "partners" on Plays For Sure when they launched the Zune, so this is at least plausible."

But according to Mike, MS doesn't like to do things that hurt their partners.

November 25, 2008 11:46 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Panache

You've never had to do something you didn't like doing?

November 25, 2008 11:59 AM
 

panache1023 said:

Mike,

Don't we all?  The point is, at least from what I have seen (which is what becomes public), is that MS has no problems at all doing things that hurt their partners...

not saying it's right or wrong, and not saying other companies don't do it too...

November 25, 2008 12:05 PM
 

gorath said:

@panache.

Whilst you are quite right that the 360 is a financial oops (to be polite!), It is still a worthy enough device to garner plenty of brand momentum. Plenty of people still buy a 360, even though they're aware it may RROD. It has become one of the names synonomous with gaming.

Also, I believe that this current year, taken on it's own account, has shown a profit from 360s. Now, whilst it still has a long way to go, presumably, to recoup the costs of launch (and failures, of course!), it appears as though they may be heading towards a break even point, and may soon make a net profit on it.

Not to compare, as such, but to demonstrate another angle on this...

The PS3 (also an excellent device) is being sold at a loss, currently, but Sony has stated that in their 10 year plan, the profits are to be made in the long haul, not in the short term.

It's almost become standard practice I guess, in the gaming arms race to spend big, and launch at a loss, with the goal of long-term returns.

Of course, the PS3's had very very few issues with faulty hardware, and this will probably help them out!

There's one thing I'm curious about, however, which is who's fault(s) exactly are the 360's RROD incidents? Could it be a fault of the design, or of whatever company actually builds the components, or assembles the systems? I don't think MS is the sole company involved in manufacture, so maybe the blame is harder to pin down than just instantly blaming MS.

For example, the CPU is an IBM deisgn (I think), could they have over-sold themselves to MS, promising more than they could deliver? likewise with the motherboard manufacturer, whoever that may be.

I'm not trying to cover for anyone here, but it's rarely mentioned in the media that the faults may actually be completely beyond MS's control.

November 25, 2008 12:14 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

panache

My experience is that Microsoft bends over backwards to keep partners happy even when it hurts Microsoft. Does that mean they never do things that hurt partners? Of course not. In fact, that would be impossible since partners often have contradictory priorities and it's impossible to help one without hurting another. But I'll stand by my statement. The core philosophy at Microsoft is "don't hurt a partner even if it hurts us" unlike some other companies where the philosopy is much more "anybody who gets to work with us is lucky to get the privilige and they'd better realize that our interests come first and they should be grateful for any scraps they get"

November 25, 2008 12:21 PM
 

gorath said:

Oh, and as for the plays for sure sumping thing, can anyone tell me what exactly that means?

I still see new devices for sale with "certified for Vista", or whatever the exact wording is, I assumed they'd just renamed plays for sure.

I recently bought a brand new zen for the car, and that works exactly like any other "plays for sure" device used to, in that it seems to have practically been designed to work with media player.

I feel like I've missed something in the story?!?

November 25, 2008 12:24 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"It stop making Zune devices for a reason, they want to continue to focus on software."

DarkSages, since when?  The Zune is still being made and improved.

November 25, 2008 12:25 PM
 

shark47 said:

"Of course not. In fact, that would be impossible since partners often have contradictory priorities and it's impossible to help one without hurting another."

Exactly. There is no way you can please everyone. Your policy may be to hurt no one, but there are times when you have to take decisions that might end up affecting someone. Can't help it.

gorath is right. The XBox is a household name. It may not be as popular as the Wii but it sure has a following. Moreover, it gives MS a good foothold in the entertainment business. The RRoD incidents were unfortunate and stupid.

November 25, 2008 12:32 PM
 

Ocean said:

>>Zune phone would be great for competition.<<

Care to enlarge on this?  I happen to think that theres little to add to the WinMo space that its partners aren't doing already.  

As far as competing with the iPhone, Blackberry actually seems like they have the best shot.

>>despite the rumor coming up and being denied every few months since 2002 or so<<

It *would* take many years of research and design to bring to market a truly next generation, innovative product.

November 25, 2008 12:33 PM
 

panache1023 said:

Great posts Mike, Shark, and Gorath!  Thanks!

Gorath in particular...you explained your POV very nicely.  Thank you, I appreciate it.

Like I said, I do like the XBOX...but then again, I'd like any gaming system of quality (and I do consider the XBOX to be quality).

November 25, 2008 12:45 PM
 

DarkSages said:

Dipsh t Admin

This year they did not update the hardware at all all they did was up the hard drive and put new themes for the case. The software was the main reason that they are now new.

November 25, 2008 1:06 PM
 

DarkSages said:

Dipsh t Admin

This year they did not update the hardware at all all they did was up the hard drive and put new themes for the case. The software was the main reason that they are now new.

November 25, 2008 1:07 PM
 

gorath said:

Whilst on the side-topic of 360s, here's something that reinforces my opinion that the world is, frankly, crazy...

Most of the people I know who've had a RROD incident, actually seem to like Microsoft even more than they did before (most of them were ambivalent beforehand), because of the efficient, fuss-free and timely way their repair or replacements have been carried out.

However, another friend of mine, who had trouble with his PS3 twice in quick succession (is it worth noting that he's the only person I've ever heard or read about to have a PS3 die?) and had it replaced in exemplary fashion, moans about it ALL THE BLOODY TIME!

For god's sake, he took it to a sony store, where they were actually surprised that it failed, but gave him another one, and even copied all his data across right there on the spot, meaning he went home in less than an hour with a new PS3, and no charge TWICE in two weeks.

Yet he still moans about "stupid sony" and "crap customer support"

I mean, what more could he expect? a massage whilst he was there? a new telly to go with it? did he expect them to fix his car while they were at it or something!

It's now over a year later, with no issues at all since, and yet he still moans!

crazy.

November 25, 2008 1:14 PM
 

panache1023 said:

Gorath,

Two things:

1)  SH*T happens....most people understand and accept it.  It's how those issues get resolved is what matters.

2)  It sounds like your friend just likes to B*TCH and moan!  :)

November 25, 2008 1:18 PM
 

gorath said:

"It sounds like your friend just likes to B*TCH and moan!"

Oh, so you know him then? lol :D

November 25, 2008 1:34 PM
 

rjohn05 said:

I agree with Paul. I would like to see Microsoft create its own phone as well. Also, I would like to see Microsoft create its own HomeServer and Media Center extender too. I think their products could be a lot better if Microsoft builds devices for them instead of waiting on partners to get their act together.

November 25, 2008 2:05 PM
 

gorath said:

rjohn, I agree with you and paul's sentiments.

Winmo always feels like they've had to do things a certain way, to allow 3rd parties to make the handsets THEY wanted.

Maybe if MS designed their own hardware as well as software, then we'd see some more interesting innovation. Right now it seems they can't change anything drastically, or the handset makers would be screwed.

November 25, 2008 2:20 PM
 

DRWAM said:

If they made a decent Zune phone, we iPhone users could potentially benefit from future improvements to keep up with competition. Of course, we shall see what becomes of the BB Storm. Two docs here are already coveting it. Does anyone know if the Storm syncs with Outlook?

Go Zune phone !!!

November 25, 2008 2:50 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

The Storm should sync with Outlook just like any BB phone.

November 25, 2008 3:07 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Thanks Dipsh. I will forward the info. One has an old Palm T23 and the other has an iPaq or something.

I think I PM'ed you the news about my ride. I bought it and another doc in the hospital had the same experience. Thanks for the info. I'll be upgrading in a year or two, but hopefully closer to two.

November 25, 2008 3:16 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Apparently some have seen the new Microsoft phone - they are partnering up with T-Mobile for service - and a photo of it has been leaked. Looks about what you'd expect.

img377.imageshack.us/.../hiptop3bsodcu7.jpg

November 25, 2008 7:15 PM
 

shark47 said:

So, CNBC has confirmed this too:

www.cnbc.com/.../27912313

The codename, "Pink" is something that Mary Jo Foley talked about a few months ago.

November 25, 2008 8:51 PM
 

gorath said:

In kinda related news, sort of, in that it's about a phone.. (sorry)

The Iphone 3G ads have been banned in the UK, for being misleading about the speed of internet connectivity.

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