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--tayme

Cool, so what do you have to do to get this invitation to the Windows 7 Beta program?

I'm in.  I look forward to adding my 2 cents.

Is it just me or do the survey links at the bottom not work?

James

Thought I'd chime in with a comment saying I'm interested, on the off-chance Microsoft thinks that people who read WinSuperSite are good candidates for beta testing Windows.  Somehow that makes way too much sense. ;-)

@jmoo2

The links will only work for you if you've received an invitation and accept it.

"The contents and messaging in this email are confidential and proprietary information of Microsoft Corporation. Recipients may not reproduce, store in or introduce into a retrieval system, or transmit in any form or by any means (electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or otherwise), the information in this email for any purpose, without the express written permission of Microsoft Corporation"

Oooh, Paul's being a naughty boy!

Microsoft Internet Explorer users told to switch browsers because IE is seriously flawed. This is just something most of the early adopters, technical people and non-sheep have always known.

www.guardian.co.uk/.../internet

@robertsjoe

Patch is coming out tomorrow, good try though.

@robertsjoe

PMS?

@sharp65: Tomorrow is too late for some people caught using IE.

www.google.com/.../ALeqM5jrRXNcvxym3RsLW_ILt-lBk-F7Lg

@robertsjoe:

Using Google as a source is a poor example:

blogs.zdnet.com/security

Don't forget to have your anti-virus, anti-spyware and anti-rootkit pieces of bloatware running on your Windows boxes people! Don't wanna get infected.

"Don't forget to have your anti-virus, anti-spyware and anti-rootkit pieces of bloatware running on your Windows boxes people! Don't wanna get infected."

UAC already mitigates the issue without the help of AV software.  Thanks for sharing though.

You can tell he's getting desperate, pretty funny :)

What a great OS, OS X, to not have to worry about the crap that Windows users do. Woohoo!

@robertsjoe

You sound like one of those kids that need confirmation for everything.  "Look at me...I'm cool right?  Look at me, I'm cool!  There's nothing wrong with me."  Except yours is....."OS X is great.  I have to let everyone know, OS X is great.  Better than windows...better than everything.  If I repeat it enough, it has to be true!"

If you like OS X so much, why aren't you playing with iMovie or iTunes or iDVD or i(insert original name here) instead of hanging out here all the time?

I have always wondered why does robertsjoe waste his time replying to a thread he is not interested in. I don't see myself wasting precious time trolling an Apple blog for the fun of it, but sometimes people don't have anything better to do.

Anyway, I'm looking forward on Paul's Win7 impressions, I don't agree with his simple vs. easy post since the taskbar can be set to work just like in Vista (or close) and Aero Snaps are easy, simple and useful; but I enjoy his articles and can't wait to read his opinion on Beta.

@ehcap:

He has mommy and daddy issues.  He must be attention-starved.

"Anyway, I'm looking forward on Paul's Win7 impressions, I don't agree with his simple vs. easy post since the taskbar can be set to work just like in Vista (or close) and Aero Snaps are easy, simple and useful;"

Both things copied from OS X.

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robertsjoe - talking rubbish as usual.  While he talks rubbish, the rest of us just get on with using our PCs and Macs as we want to.

What I don't get is that robertsjoe is supposedly an adult, arguing about things we used to in secondary school (high school), which is better the ZX Spectrum or the Commodore 64? The answer is... Yes!

But we have moved on and realised that nobody gives a ***. All we care about is getting on with our work, using computers in our leisure time and so forth.

If anything the new Windows taskbar is a retrograde step as it does look like the Dock, it probably works quite a lot like the Dock, and as a Mac user as well as a Windows user, I can't stand the Dock. It's the single most annoying, frustrating and poorly designed UI concept that entered OS X and hung around like a bad odour with every release since.

Anyway robertsjoe, please pack it in, we hear you very loud and clear, but please for heaven's sake, realise one thing: you're very unlikely to change anybody's opinons when you put across your points in a well constructed manner, but you're likely never to if you argue in what is frankly a very childish and unfounded way, and belittles your 'cause' even more. You're the very kind of user that my Windows-only friends trot out as a stereotype when the issue of me using a Mac comes up, and the problem is, I can't disagree with them anymore because they are right.

"Both things copied from OS X."

What? Letting the user set the taskbar to work just like Vista was copied from OS X?... That's a new one... Are you actually reading to what you are replying?

I know, I know, you are talking about the damned dock (first seen in 1985 on Arthur OS), but I wasn't talking about the dock-like features just as nobody is talking about Apple. Grow up man.

I thought the new taskbar (and indeed the dock) function the same as the original windows 1.01 taskbar. They both actually even look like an updated windows 1.01 taskbar.

robertsjoe is getting desperate...

he thinks that if he repeats his "OS X is better" a billion times, perhaps it becomes true... just ignore the troll^^

People, don't indulge our rabid iBoi's too much. So much of their self worth is drawn from  OSX Kitty that it turns them to insufferable effete tr0lls.

As far as the beta goes, I didn't get one of those emails unfortunately. I've tested couple of other products on Connect and was hoping they'd send one out. Looks like I'll avail myself of the beta via BT once again.  

I'm on build 6956 and haven't booted into Vista for almost 2 weeks now. They really have me impressed.

"Anyway robertsjoe, please pack it in"

He already said he would, but hasn't come through.  Just another Mackie lie.

@ehcap

I don't want to start a flaming war, just correcting some facts to the best of my knowledge.

AFAIK, Arthur (RISCOS's predecessor) was released in late 1986, which means that Windows 1.01 was still the first OS with a taskbar, and that particular taskbar looked and behaved in ways similar to 7's new taskbar, and, of course, OSX's dock.

I recall some add-on for early mac OS's that gave very dock-like features as well.

(if someone knows better, feel free to correct, I am, sadly, fairly interested in modern OS genesis)

Oh, and just for clarity (and again, to the best of my memory) Windows 1.01 was released late in 1985, looked gash, and was horrible to use.

roberstjoe, once again, what happened to leaving?  You so confidently stated that you were leaving, but yet, you are still here.  My guess is that you have been worrying all night since you heard that Steve won't be presenting at MacWorld next year, so you have to vent somehow.

The little pull out strip as I call it first appeared in System 7.1 I think in 1991 as I believe *could be wrong* it was originally a little control strip for the PoweBook 100 which controlled things like modem, sound volume, brightness, LCD bit depth etc. This was extended somewhat with System 7.5 and steadily added to in Mac OS 8/9.

Personally I found it a little annoying when you only had 800x600 of screen estate tops to play with, and even worse on 640x480 when you were meddling in Photoshop 3 on an LCIII.

As for the Windows 1 'Dock' I don't recall one to be honest, but then I have never actually used Windows 1 (either at the time or retospectively on an emulator/VM) -- however if it was anything like Windows 2/3 -- they were minmised windows at the bottom of the screen (sometimes referred to as iconified windows) which could be right clicked on to maximise, dragged around etc. they were nothing more than desktop icons really. The exception was the clock which certainly in Windows 2.03 and onwards when minimised would show the time at the bottom of the screen. If this is what is referred to as Windows 1's 'Dock' -- I would say they were more icons on a desktop than a contained and controlled area of the screen.

RiscOS -- I can't recall much about that except it did have something very much like the task bar to launch applications and control a few settings.

Amiga Workbench had nothing like the Dock until a very late version in the 90s which I have never used, although some applications did 'iconify' to the desktop/Workbench window. I do recall a file manager called Directory Opus that allowed the creation of custom 'strips' that could launch and manage programs and that would have been in the late 80s/early 90s.

NeXTStep is by right the closest to what is now the Dock in OS X.

Wherever the idea came from, I still hate it as an idea. It's cumbersome, clumsy, accessible as a duck's ass and is only really usable when it is set to hide when the mouse is not at the bottom of the screen.

That said apart from Expose which made a tremendous difference in Panther (OS X) -- I have never found Mac OS (classic and X) particularly strong when it came to window management. Certainly I remember using OS X 10.1 (10.0 was unusable) and 10.2 in particular and many design houses/individuals actually continued to use OS 9 as the boot OS as it became a nightmare managing open projects alone with the Dock. Expose helped a huge amount.

In terms of window management, I generally find the XP/Vista task bar to be the best and by extension KDE/Gnome on Linux as they're very much the same (grouping of like windows, taskbar like program switching) with the addition of Expose like functionality when you use Compiz.

Nobody should be surprised that I haven't installed yDock on my Windows boxes nor Avant Window Navigator on my OpenSUSE laptop.

windows 1.01 taskbar circa 1985

toastytech.com/.../win101aboutnote.gif

hope that link works

It then dissappeared with windows 2.x and didn't return to windows until win95. Now it's coming back in almost it's original form in windows 7.

Thanks gorath, looks very much like the iconised/iconfied icons in Windows 2/3 -- I guess the behaviour must have been different -- as I say, never used the first version of Windows.

This is Win 3.1: www.codinghorror.com/.../windows-311-hotdog-stand-scheme.png

Hehe, I preferred Black Leather Jacket for the colour scheme, anyway, down the bottom is a bunch of iconised windows, but these could also be minimsed apps like Notepad, Word, Powerpoint, CorelDraw etc. not just windows. They weren't shortcuts mind, just the minimised representation of the application that was running. I'm guessing the Win 1 'dock' had icons for applications that were not running.

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I suspect Apple has nothing of interest to announce at MacWorld any more, hence its swift exit and Jobs' withdrawal.

Sums up a pretty lame year for Apple. Leaving aside the iPhone 3G "upgrade" (aka, the inclusion of features that other phones have had for years); Apple released new macbooks, whose main selling point was a new manufacturing process to justify the exorbitant selling price.

RobertC

The change to a Schindler keynote would tend to agree with Paul's statement from a week ago

"BTW ... My prediction for Snow Leopard? August 2009."

It certainly makes it extremely unlikely that the rumored Snow Leopard or i7 Macs or non-trivial refreshes of iMac or Mac Pro or Mac mini or iPhone will show up in January.

Of course, it could also be a way of telegraphing that nothing new is coming out in a last ditch attempt to push Apple holiday sales. (Whether anything new is coming out or not)

We can all sit here and consider the "meaning" of Apple's announcement that Jobs will not be giving the keynote...but when school gets out, I am sure that robertsjoe will be here to give us the reason...and it will be loud and often.

BTW, after 2 days of using the Samsung Omnia and WinMo...I still like it - a lot! This phone is pretty feature rich and is very responsive. Now, come on Microsoft...roll out a Zune client for WinMo, so I can add my subscription music to the 8GB internal/soon to arrive via UPS 16GB micro SD that I bought on Amazon - New Egg was cheaper, but I had a $25 gift card from work!

--tayme

tayme

It is absolutely amazing to watch virtually every Apple blog step all over themselves to NOT talk about the MacWorld bailout. The silence is just fascinating.

Really Mike????

http://www.macworld.com/

http://www.appleinsider.com/

http://www.macrumors.com/

All mention it.  The popular rumor is that Apple wants to control its media events and not have to release products for this event.  I would agree with that since Apple events get lots of free coverage and they cant fully control when.

Hey Canadiot no links to malware today?  Come on I bet this is how you drum up business.  Send links to your customers get the infected then bill them to fix the problem.

That link yesterday was the king of all j@ck@$$ moves on this site.  It takes the cake and I dont think it will be topped.

Mention, sure. But not major coverage.

Seriously, it's getting about the same coverage as a minor bug fix to a 2nd tier app.

Lol on the top of every one of them.  Sorry your WRONG!!!!  But we all know you could NEVER admit that.  You make laugh.

Macworld is the biggest name for online Mac info and right now its at the very top of its All Stories section and its Top Stories.  On Macrumors its consumes the top 3 stories.

Maybe you should see an eye doctor.

What's really amusing is that Jobs pulling out of the keynote isn't even slowing down the "EXCLUSIVE: All the wonderful new things our sources say Apple is sure to announce at MacWorld, really, we mean it this time" articles on the same sites.

"That link yesterday was the king of all j@ck@$$ moves on this site.  It takes the cake and I dont think it will be topped."

You underestimate your own ability to comment sir.

So Canadiot that Mac Worm that took down that corporation.....was it really a link from you?

"mikegalos" spews this nonsense:

"It is absolutely amazing to watch virtually every Apple blog step all over themselves to NOT talk about the MacWorld bailout. The silence is just fascinating."

Then he backpedals slightly:

"Mention, sure. But not major coverage."

Everyone, please forgive poor "mikegalos". He's from the Sean Hannity School Of Commentary: "If you say it long enough, people will believe you".

According to Google, there are currently 1,052 news articles about Jobs' Macworld no-show.

is that "major" enough for you, "mikegalos"?

Grow up.

news.google.com/news

Why are we talking about Macworld Expo here?  Worth talking about somewhere, but "winsupersite" implies Windows.

Mike has also said that a new Mini wont come out.  Jan 9th or whatever is not far away.

blog.wired.com/.../rumor-new-mac-m.html

Lets see if Mikey "stands corrected"  Especially on the part about not making it easy for you to replace the RAM.

@johnbaxter  ask Paul why he talks about Apple products so much.

johnbaxter

Because we're in the holiday season blackout on real news. Kind of like the silly season in political stories during the summer.

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Lindy,

Let's hear your predictions on what Apple will announce at MacWorld...

@mikegalos - Nice shift of gears, there...What about the "fascinating silence"?

--tayme

Seriously, Lindy,

Since you're tracking people's predictions, let's hear yours to see how right you are.

To save you from being original, the press has speculated on the following things being announced at MacWorld Expo (many with more coverage than they gave Jobs bailing on MacWorld Expo itself)  so you can feel free to pick and choose.

Updated Mac mini

New Mac mini

New iMac

Updated iMac

Intel Core i7 based iMac

New Mac Pro

Updated Mac Pro

Intel Core i7 based Mac Pro

Mac tablet

Mac webtop

Updated AppleTV

New AppleTV

iPhone nano

New high end iPhone

OS X Snow Leopard availability

Only guessing....

i7 for the Mac Pro since its the only Mac that uses a desktop CPU but the rest of the box will be the same for the most part.  New Mac mini, much like the wired article, basically a Macbook in a mini desktop box minus the screen.  Update on Snow Leopard as in its status maybe (huge maybe a live demo of it in its current status), and that new Open CL stuff or whatever its called, the partnership with Nvidia.

Well, tayme, to bring it back to the on to the OT topic, I'd note that Wired's coverage (Since Lindy brought up Wired as a source for accurate Mac info) doesn't mention it above the fold but only give a below the fold blurb equivalent in coverage to their interview with Aqua Teen's Meatwad, a review of a Samsung notebook and a new GPS designed for cyclists.

By comparison, Yahoo!'s shortening their retention period for user logs to 3 months and Wired's video on robot sex got "above the fold" coverage.

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Lindy

Everyone's only guessing...

So you're saying no changes to the iMac, iPhone, or AppleTV lines, no new product lines such as webtops or tablets and the only revised products will be the revised Mac mini and upgraded processors for Mac Pro and there will be no release of new software.

Is that your prediction?

@mikegalos - "I'd note that Wired's coverage (Since Lindy brought up Wired as a source for accurate Mac info) doesn't mention it above the fold "

Yes...that is true...but remember, you said "It is absolutely amazing to watch virtually every *Apple blog* step all over themselves to NOT talk about the MacWorld bailout. The silence is just fascinating."

(I added the * around Apple to show emphasis on what you were really saying.) ITs OK, mikegalos...we have all been wrong many times...most of us are big enough to admit it. But one sided shills like you, robertsjoe, Waethorn, and others refuse.

--tayme

Yes that is my prediction.  Jobs will not be there, Apple is pulling out.  

Perhaps some updates to high end video/photo apps, maybe a focus on the iTouch being a gaming device like those recent commercials allude to.

The Mini is over due for sure.  Either dump it or bring it up to speed.  If you going to keep you have to update in light of the Dell Studio and others now.  Also it has quite the following and among Mac folks its a favorite for a media hub PC jacked into your TV.

tayme

I didn't bring up Wired until Lindy listed them as a source of accurate Apple info.

arstechnica.com/.../fearless-apples-macworld-expo-exit-is-part-of-its-dna

Never said they were accurate, they are just one of many predicting the Mini update.

Want more links?

"i7 for the Mac Pro since its the only Mac that uses a desktop CPU"

WRONG!  A Xeon is a *SERVER* CPU.

There are no Mac's with desktop CPU's.

"Yes...that is true...but remember, you said "It is absolutely amazing to watch virtually every *Apple blog* step all over themselves to NOT talk about the MacWorld bailout. The silence is just fascinating.""

Gruber's blog is all over this today; it's practically an aggregator for blog stories on the topic.

"mikegalos" is wrong. Again. And he conveniently ignores that or tries to change the subject. Master of obfuscation, he is.

So Canadiot is any i7 in say a Dell PC a server CPU?  What makes it a server CPU, Intel calling it that or what its really being use for.

The Mac Pro currently uses Xeons, and FB-Dimms or whatever that ram is called typically found in a server, but its not a server.  I thought (dont feel like looking up) that any desktop/workstation that can use dual quad cores was using the Xeon since is multi-cpu aware (not core).  So is a Dell Precision using a Xeon, a server CPU or a wokstation cpu.

Please advise us....

....Um, ok so did nobody notice that the IE7 patch is now out?

.Um, ok so did nobody notice that the IE7 patch is now out?....dont run IE so it wont matter.  Now I probably will be forced to do a out of cycle patch run on my servers at work.  Shavlik to the rescue.

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