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They need to stick to what they know.

First off selling 17 million in two years is a failure?  The PS3 is sold more in its first two years than the Xbox 360 did.  Having 17 million PS3 out there is good for game companies, especially when 30+% have not RROD.

Second and thos is where their genius really shines/NOT, where are the numbers for the PS2???

news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10006097-52.html

The PS2 business is like having a money printing machine.  I know people that just bought the latest white slim model that came with batman lego for their kids in October.  The PS2 is selling around 180k units per month, at $129?  What does it cost to make....$50????

This is important because MS ditched the original xbox and no one makes games for it.  So all money for MS comes from the 360 and its games.

I have all three and in my house the Wii collects dust.  The kids loved it in the beginning and they will bust it out when a friend that does not have one comes over.  After they leave, off it goes.  My 7 year old can tell the difference between Lego games on the Wii or on the 360/PS3...night and day difference.  Same game play just the PS3/360 version looks 10x better.  We have not bought or rented a new game for it in ages.  Its destiny is going to meet up with a list named Craig soon.

IMHO, I think that the demand for the Wii could be met.  Its old technology that is cheap and off the shelf, not some 3-7 core CPU that was created just for the PS3/360.  I think Nintendo keeps a short leash on supply to keep the hype up.

In the end it comes down to what you use it for.  For pure gaming the 360 has the slight edge.  Slight.  Its service is NOT free and PSN is now very close feature wise, very close and its FREE.  There are more games for the 360 but not many and all of the major 3rd party games are on the PS3.

For a media hub the PS3 crushes them both by a huge margin.  Replacing the hard drive with a cheap SATA notebook drive takes about 10min, and does not void the warrenty, its got a browser that supports flahs...ala Hulu and other free sources of vide, and of course BR and built in wireless.  Home....blows chunks and I have no idea why they created it???

The Wii....cheap entry point for SD kiddie games and horrible 3rd party support.

Tards paid to write about stuff they are clueless about.  Good Times.

@Lindy - Like you, I have all 3 systems. My wife loves the Wii, my daughter loves the 360, and I love the PS3...so we are at odds. I'd like to dump at least 1 of them on craigslist as well. Since the daughter is away at college and soon to move out permanently, she will get the 360.

Can you PM me with some tricks and tips for setting up a Media Server for PS3? I have Fuppes right now, and it is OK...but kind of clunky. I like how the 360 integrates with Media Center automatically and would like to find a way to do that with the PS3. I am even willing to shell out some bucks for the right thing.

--tayme

We used to lose $290 on each unit sold and now we only lose $50 on each unit but we'll make it up in volume!

Seriously, it made some sense to lose a small fortune on the PS3 plus about a billion dollars in "special licensing agreements" for Sony to kill off the competing HD DVD format and own the future of HD video formats (now, if you want to talk anti-trust...) but with Blu-ray Disc not taking off, that's a lot of money invested in a stagnant format.

@tayme I dont use Windows with my PS3.  But here is a guide....

boardsus.playstation.com/.../message

For the Mac I use this product....

www.nullriver.com/.../medialink

Works like a champ.  I ripped a good portion of my DVD collection, favorites plus kids movies that get a lot of use using handbrake on the Mac and the "PS3" setting. Then just copied them to the PS3 (320gig drive installed) via the Media Link Software.  You can stream but I would suggest your PS3 be wired when streaming video of that quality.  I have wireless N 5ghz only for my PS3 (external adapter) and video at 2500bps was choppy.  Music and photos streamed no problems even on wireless G.

@Mike I agree that BD is stagnant right now.  I dont think it will ever reach the popularity of DVD and it will be the the last physical format for mass consumers.  DVD sales to consumers peaked in 2003 from what I read and have been dropping off.  With BD being more expensive for the movies and players right now its not moving fast.  However I think this time next year BR players will be sub $150 and the movies will come down as well.  So it will grow but never reach DVD levels.  Somebody will get digital delivery right and probably in the next 3 years and then it will really catch on for some groups.  I imagine some people will be using DVD 20 years from now considering how long VHS hung on.

Lindy,

The issue isn't whether Sony will sell enough BD licenses to dominate over HD DVD, they have.

The question is whether they'll ever be able to sell enough to make the multi-billion dollar investment even come close to breaking even. Right now, their license fees keep the price too high for consumers who don't care enough to pay extra when they already have a working DVD player. If they cut those fees enough to allow BD format players, media and titles to be compelling, they've priced themselves out of the income range where they can make enough to cover the investment.

Wait a minute...

This is actually an article on PS3 vs XBox 360 vs Wii sales volumes and Ocean hasn't posted.

What is it?

He can only post about that when it's off topic?

@Lindy - Good info. Since I have both  Mac and Vista PCs running, I'll have to look at both. My network consists of Wireless-N 5Ghz and Gig-E in my main office. For the PS3 and 360, I have connected a home wiring kit, which uses my electrical wiring as a LAN...runs at about 82-85 Mbps. The Wii is wireless, but the network is only used for getting system updates. I have 1.75TB connected via USB to my router for backup, media, and file storage. I will be upgrading the HDD in the PS3, as I am not  a big fan of streaming video of an 85Mbps network. Thanks for the info!!!

--tayme

>>I have connected a home wiring kit, which uses my electrical wiring as a LAN...runs at about 82-85 Mbps.

Tayme,

Brand?, Pros?, Cons?  

Yawn!

Selling the console at a loss is something XBox 360 is doing also. Microsoft's XBox division has not made money either. Where's that "report" (blog copy and paste jobbie)?

@Mike I agree, I cant even imagine what Sony paid the big movie companies, Block Buster, Walmart and others to step up and finally support BD, but is was a pretty penny considering in a matter of 30 days they all stepped up and did it.  It was like over night and HD-DVD was dead.

The TV I have my PS3 connected to is a Sony LCD that can only do 720p, and the PS3 will upconvert DVD's to 720'ish so BD dont look all that much better to me.  I imagine on a 1080p set is would look better.  My point being that they are kind of shooting them selves in the foot there, as the vast majority of HD sets probably top out at 720p or 1080i.  Anything less than 2 years old probably is 1080p.

@robertsjoe, ummm your wrong.

arstechnica.com/.../20061116-8239.html

Its been making money for a while.  Now factor in the 1 billion MS wrote off for the RROD scandle and maybe they lost money.  We will never know the depth of that disaster.

@lindy: You are right. I take it back.

I would say that the word "disaster" could only be used for the console that has had recall costs of more than $1b thanks to the infamous RROD.

Here's a quote from Paul from another story:

"I'd like to point out that the Sony PlayStation 3, for all its troubles in the marketplace, has been incredibly reliable. You never hear any stories about this thing failing. It runs quietly, even whisper-quietly, depending on what you're doing. And it's a bit bigger than the 360, because the power supply is on the inside where it belongs. Unlike the Wii, the PS3, like the 360, is a technological power house. And yet there are no problems. None. Huh."

I would agree with Paul in that quoted text.  Its pretty much silent.  Some of that is the fact that BD is slower and some of it is because of fans.

I got my PS3 in August when they released the 80gig and Dual shock controller in the shipping package.  That PS3 uses the new .65nm GPU and CPU and peaks at 135watts max and idles pretty low.  The old version was used 200 Watts.  I imagine they could probably spin the fans slower as well with less power/heat.

My 360 from May of 2006 has RROD twice.  MS fixed it pretty quick, about two weeks from pickup to delivery back to my house, each time with a free 30 days of Live to add to my account.  When a DVD game/movie is spinning up I get visions of the DVD flying out and sticking into a wall or something its moving so fast.

@Yawn! - Its a NetGear XE104 - www.netgear.com/.../XE104.aspx

Pros

-Easy to configure-Plug it in, connect to router, plug in other unit, plug in device...up and going.

-Faster the wireless and gives more distance, especially when adding coverage between multiple floors. But with Wireless N that is not as true as it was with G.

Cons

-Takes up outlets - 1 near router, 1 near other devices that you want to use.

- Only runs at 82 - 85 Mbps...closer to 82 most of the time in my house.

- Can't think of any others.

I paid about $90 at BestBuy, but I think New Egg has them for less. To me, it has been a worthwhile investment. I live n an older house with thick solid walls and floors...wireless wouldn't make it from the basement to the upstairs and I didn't want to take the time to fish Cat6 throughout.

--tayme

I've just noticed that a few people took this post as a Pro-Xbox 360 as opposed to anti-PS3....

Let's face it: This generation has 1 winner and 2 losers.

The Wii, with Nintendo making a profit on the hardware since day one has had its merry way with the market.

I play the PS3, but only because my roommate bought one. He works on the mines here in Western Australia, a very lucrative job, which is the only reason he bought it: He had the money.

Bottom line: The video game market doesn't have a space for a system that costs so gosh-darn much, and the scarcity of price reductions since launch makes you think that Sony doesn't understand that money doesn't fall from trees. Some of their execs' statements' backed up that feeling. A few quotes make them sound like they thought they were somehow entitled to the top spot in the market.

And as for MS, they had a decent showing, better than last time. The RRoD thing is an absolute giant-ass $1B stuff-up though.

Like... You know how George Bush said that guy did a "heckuva job" after Katrina?

Whoever let the XBox 360 go into production despite the hardware issues did a "heckuva job".

Lindy,

The industry gossip (and it was gossip so we'll probably never be sure) had the total Sony paid in "special licensing promotion" money at something above $1B that month, mostly in studio deals.

I suspect that's low but as creatively as the funding could have been put together, we'll probably never no a real figure.

>>This is actually an article on PS3 vs XBox 360 vs Wii sales volumes and Ocean hasn't posted.

What is it? <<

Some of us have jobs.

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>>Let's face it: This generation has 1 winner and 2 losers.

The Wii, with Nintendo making a profit on the hardware since day one has had its merry way with the market. <<

Agreed.

That MS wants what Nintendo has is made obvious by this:

wii.ign.com/.../932455p1.html

>>That MS wants what Nintendo has is made obvious by this:

wii.ign.com/.../932455p1.html

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Which is sad, because if you ask me, XBox 360 has the potential to clean up the hardcore gamers and really put the boot in to Sony.

I can't understand why someone didn't put their hand up at Microsoft and say "Yes, it's a good idea to go after the casuals, but should we perhaps give hardcores the chance to bypass this childish poop? They are, after all, our core audience and the only people we're still in competition for..."

"Bottom line: The video game market doesn't have a space for a system that costs so gosh-darn much"

Yep and 17 million people made a huge mistake??  The PS3 sold more in 2 years than the 360 did.  Will it sell more in its first 3 years?  I would think so if they drop the price, and they will.  Come March or so I bet we will see a price drop.

Is the PS3 expensive?  Yes more so than the other 2, but we are talking $399 not $2399 (US).  PC gamers buy multiple video cards at that price for their PC's.  Some cell phones cost that much.  That is cheaper than 4 new tires, the cost of two maybe three nights in most hotels in the US, and cheaper than 99% of computers you would buy at Best Buy.  They have sold 17 million not 1.7 million in 24 months, plus another what 4-6 million PS2's in that same time frame?

Here are the top ten games played on Live for the week of December 22nd...per xbox site.

1    CoD: World at War

2    Halo 3

3    Gears of War 2

4    Call of Duty 4

5    Left 4 Dead

6    GTA IV

7    Guitar Hero World Tour

8    Fallout 3

9    Madden NFL 09

10    Fable II

5 of those are on the PS3, the other 5 are exclusives.  I cant find a list for the PS3 but I imagine its much of the same but swap out the exclusives for PS3 exclusives, Little Big Planet, Resistance 2, MGS4, Socom.....etc.  The PS3 is alive and well.

I have said it before and I will say it again. The 360 is a better platform, period. A console boils down to software and I simply do not care what the ps3 camp says  THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH A++ TITLES THAT ARE EXCLUSIVE TO JUSTIFY THE PS3 OVER 360. I own both, and I am happy with both, but 90% of my usage on ps3 comes from blu ray. It is ONLY in that context that ps3 becomes worth it.

I think we can all agree that MS owns the online space and increasingly, that is what console gaming is all about. Live is a pretty killer service and PS home is just a swing-n-a-miss.

For me, MGS4 was the only real compelling reason (and worth it i might add) to get a ps3. Every other game I have bought for PS3 (Silent Hill, Dead Space) I wish I had bought for 360.

As for graphics on multi platform games, I think 360 almost always wins. FO3, Dead Space, Tomb Raider and GTA4 all look deeper and more detailed on the PS3 and that is because of MSs genius of the DirectX platform.

I do agree that the PS3 hardware is superior from a technical standpoint, but the developers have voting with their code (so to speak) and  they prefer an easier platform to develop for, not a lot of hard to unlock horsepower.

Also, on the media side, 360 MCE rocks the house and no uPnP/media server combo with the PS3 will come close.

Like I say, I love my PS3, but it's just hard to deny the 360s moment in the sun.

No the Wii......not sure how nintendo pulled that off....I still can't believe they are having supply chain issues. Whoda thunkit.

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@jm3s0n79

Was COD4 A++ for you?  It outsold all other games.  It was game of the year from most review houses.

www.gamepro.com/.../ps3-vs-xbox-360-ports-the-cold-hard-truth-page-3-of-4

I imagine you will enjoy Kill Zone 2 as well on the PS3 only.

I totally agree that the 360 has more games, but at this point the difference is very minor as both have more games than 1 individual will buy and both have enough exclusives now to make an argument either way.

Live is better, but only if you use it to its full extent.  I played Call of Duty World at War yesterday during the middle of the day there were over 100k people playing it online.  I got an invite from a buddy while I was playing a online game, so I accepted the invite and went to the game he was in, we chatted it up on our blue tooth head sets while we played, just like Live....but I did not pay for it.  That is all I really want "Live" or "PSN" for and on both it just plain works.

Last year, the XBox 360 was dead. This year it's the PS3. Had it not been for XBox reliability issues (which may or may not have been fixed by now) PS3 would really have been dead by now. Had it not been for the white elephant that is BluRay, the XBox would have really been killed off in early 2008. Wii's success is understandable. It's extremely addictive. I got bored of it after about 10 hours of playing, though.  

I think Paul should blog more about Wii, XBox, and PS3. At least Ocean doesn't come across as a troll then.

OT - Does anybody have Zune 30's? Both of mine are frozen, but the 80 is fine - Seems to be a widespread issue - forums.zune.net/.../ShowPost.aspx

Lets see how MS handles this one. Hopefully well, because we like our Zunes in this houshold.

Note to all of the raving anti-MS lunatics...your troll posts in reply to this will be ignored.

--tayme

>>XBox 360 has the potential to clean up the hardcore gamers <<

There is no such thing as a 'hardcore' gamer.  Gamers are gamers...period.  Its a Sony and MS marketing term.

Halo

Guitar Hero

Dance Dance Revolution

Sonic

Madden

GoW

All gamers.

>>I think Paul should blog more about Wii<<

Yep.  This blog is the first time I've ever seen a self described video game nut totally shut out and ignore the markets number one choice.  Heck, he gives Apple a lot of coverage, and they have single digit market share.  It must suck to not have the world orbit around your wishes.

As for those who claim that the Wii's novelty wears off after 5-10 hours, I'd challenge them to tell us exactly what software they're using it to play.  I'd be bored with Bowling and tennis after 5 to 10 hours too if that's all I played.

>>Does anybody have Zune 30's? Both of mine are frozen<<

Oh no...a bbod!

The brown brick of death!

The PS3 is the only console in history to have been downgraded over time. First gen PS3 had, if memory serves me well, a 60 GB disk, compatibility with PS2 titles and SuperAudioCD playback (SACD is - was... - a next gen high quality CD based format for audio only, created by... Sony!).

The 2nd gen consoles had a 40 GB disk (!), no SACD playback and no compatibility with PS2 games.

Only now (3rd gen) we have PS3 with more disk capacity than the 1st gen ones - but still no SACD playback or compat with PS2 games.

(check en.wikipedia.org/.../Ps3).

Interestingly, the compatibility with previous gen games was one of the hottest topics in the months before the launch of the Xbox 360, with Sony fans saying that the software emulation support of the X360 would be no match to the hardware support of the PS3.

Now, the software support of old Xbox games is still going strong and the hardware (or software, for that matter) support of the PS3 is nowhere to be seen. And the Sony fans are strangely quiet about all this - but then again, they are a bunch very similar to the Apple fans, so, it should not come as a total surprise, I guess...

I bought a PS3.  (Yes, losta, you can pick yourself up off the floor - I had mentioned it long ago)

I bought GTA4 for it when I bought it, because it looked good and I've played all the other GTA games (including the PSP ones).  I use it as a media store for music and pictures after upgrading the cheap 40GB hard drive to a 250GB for less money than the premium price that Sony was charging to upgrade to the 80GB model (it was less than $100 for a 250GB and a USB bay to put the 40GB in, and it was $100 more for the $80 at the time - DUH!).

I've also been waiting for Home to come out.  I've been in the private beta for a while, and now it's a public beta.  I'd really like to see more from it though.  The previous E3 videos that had been shown had a lot more areas to explore, and it seems that according to users, Europe and Japan have their own servers with different environments.  I don't want Home to go down the tubes like Uru, and most other MMO games did.  The only MMO game that's still getting users is WoW.

Blu-ray isn't a big deal for me now that I have an HD PVR.  I've had the PS3 since the summer, and I only bought the Planet Earth set for it last month.  Games aren't a big deal for me, nor is Blu-ray, but they're just gravy.  At the time, the Xbox was the same price with a 20GB, no WiFi included, and getting content on there doesn't seem as easy.  It's clearly targetted towards gamers too.

One thing I like about the PS3 is the ability to plug a digital camera into the front USB ports and run a slideshow directly off the camera in glorious HD, showing the pictures at high quality (as opposed to burning them as a video DVD slideshow).  You can also copy pictures off a camera to the internal hard drive.  It's extremely simple.  I haven't tried that on an Xbox, so I have no idea if you can do it, but I know that the hard drive options (at the time) were priced too high, especially considering you can't upgrade it for a reasonable price.  I've also read that the Xbox seems geared towards streaming media rather than local storage.  In a home with 2 laptops, and no NAS, that's a put-off.  The PS3 can do that, plus you can copy stuff directly off the source media server.

I have a DVD collection too, and I don't rip DVD's for playback off the PS3 hard drive.  It takes all of about 20 seconds to pop a DVD in, and the PS3 upconverts them without any problem.  I have several DVD's that won't encode properly anyway, because they have funny interlacing that only DVD players seem to support, and software video encoders don't, so they look bad when encoded.  I don't know if the PS3 can playback raw DVD VOB files, but the idea of storing some 200 DVD's at ~8GB apiece on the PS3 hard drive doesn't settle with me.

It's a nice option for a media -> TV device though.  It beats getting one of those streaming boxes for about the same price, and it offers more functionality.

@aemarques:

If you read the article, 1st gen was 20GB and 60GB and had full hardware support of the PS2 (it had the PS2 CPU and GPU).  Then they re-released the 60GB with software emulation of the PS2 CPU (but included the PS2 GPU) to reduce on cost.  Compatibility was lessened by that.  After that, they released the 40GB with no PS2 support at all, and an 80GB with the same support as the 60GB v2.  Last year they announced that Sony would stop PS2 backwards compatibility because of costs involved in both hardware and development, and they re-released the 80GB without it.  The new 160GB doesn't have it either.  They've also dropped the flash reader and USB ports.

When I bought mine, the 80GB with backwards compatibility was still out, but I didn't care about it.  Rather, I wanted to save money to put towards a bigger hard drive.  My 40GB version was the first model to drop all the extras (except WiFi - only the 20GB didn't have WiFi).

At different times, they've changed the internal stuff in the PS3.  I've upgraded a few 40GB PS3's to larger hard drives and noticed that even though the package is the same as mine (Spiderman 3 kit with standard controller), the hard drive slides straight in and has a different mounting tray that is held in by a single screw.  Mine is the style that slides sideways and locks into place with a latch.  I'd imagine the rest of the internals are laid out differently too.

I disagree with the fact that in the video game industry there has to be one exclusive winner. While the console of the Wii sells extremely well, the Xbox 360 has a software attach rate of 8 to 1. It is quite literally the most profitable software platform on the market. Sorry Wii fans, but Microsoft's Xbox with all its trouble makes the most bang for the software dollar. The Wii simply sells more hardware units. Thats nice and all, the real money in the console business is the software. Third party software sales on the 360 that are still more than the PS3 and Wii combine.

Just like Apple, Microsoft doesn't have to beat Nintendo to win. It simply has to keep the software sales above the Wii.

Oh yeah, many in this blog consider the top selling OS that outsells its number 2 rival by 30 to 1 is also considered a failure. But Microsoft Xbox 360 is also a failure too. Very ironic that all things Microsoft in perception fail. But the truth is Microsoft has the best selling video game software platform on the planet. Every 360 game has outranked both PS3 and Wii games by reviewers all over the world.

This isn't fanboy BS, its fact backed up by reviewers and industry analysts. Yes, Nintendo has won the hardware battle, but the software war goes to Microsoft. So technically, its a draw.

To be number one, you have to win both software and hardware. No one console has done that.

>>I disagree with the fact that in the video game industry there has to be one exclusive winner.<<

Thats the way it's always been.

>>the Xbox 360 has a software attach rate of 8 to 1<<

The last bastion of the loser: statistics.  Sorry, we're talking hardware sales here, and on that front MS has taken a full frontal thumpin'.

*IF* we were to talk software sales, the NPD top ten for November has Nintendo with 5 and MS with three.

1. Gears of War 2 - Xbox 360 – 1.56 million

2. Call of Duty: World at War - Xbox 360 – 1.41 million

3. Wii Play w/ remote - Wii – 796K

4. Wii Fit - Wii – 697K

5. Mario Kart - Wii – 637K

6. Call of Duty: World at War - PS3 – 597K

7. Guitar Hero: World Tour - Wii – 475K

8. Left 4 Dead - Xbox 360 – 410K

9. Resistance 2 - PS3 – 385K

10. Wii Music - Wii – 297K

@Ocean

"Sorry, we're talking hardware sales here"

You're complaining about someone else bringing up a point that is different than what was originally being talked about?  Oh the sweet, sweet irony.  Tell me Pot...are you familiar with Kettle?

"Oh yeah, many in this blog consider the top selling OS that outsells its number 2 rival by 30 to 1 is also considered a failure."

XP out sells Vista 30 to 1?  XP is the number 1 rival to Vista.

"There is no such thing as a 'hardcore' gamer"  Really?

Using your top 10 I would say that Call of Duty World at War is a hard core game.  Where is it on the list for the Wii?

Ocean you luv the Wii we get it, and the Wii hardware wise has kicked butt.

However using you list again, any game that cant take advantage of HD is selling on the 360/PS3 better.  Wii fit, Wii Play, Wii music are Nintendo made games, low res and in some cases not "games" in the traditional sense.  Give us a list of games that can be had on all 3, ie Call of Duty World at War, Madden, RockBand 2 and then see where the Wii is at.

I used to be a big time gamer.  Now that I don't have much time to game anymore, I just stuck to the Wii because the few games I do get to play, I want to make my favorites (Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc.).

However, if I was still big into gaming like I used to be, there's no doubt I'd be all over the 360.  It is definitely the clear winner for the "hardcore" games out there.

Hardcore is a made up term without a fixed definition.

I

And what the heck is "low rez"?

Great Graphics /= good game play

So, using Ocean's "top 10" numbers:

XBox 360 title sales: 3.38 Million

Wii title sales: 2.90 Million

PS3 title sales: 0.84 Million

Average XBox 360 best seller sales: 1.13 Million per title

Average Wii best seller sales: 0.58 Million per title

Average PS3 best seller sales: 0.45 Million per title

Thats right Mike...in November MS sold more software.

And had more than double the sales per title of either competitor.

"Great Graphics /= good game play"

No, but game play isn't everything either, otherwise we would probably still be playing Pong.

November was a particularly weak month for games anyway.  I might try out the new Prince of Persia game on my PS3.  The graphics look awesome, and the game play is somewhat similar to the Sands of Time trilogy, albeit with some new dynamics.

"And what the heck is "low rez"?"

Compared to the 360 and PS3, it's what the Wii puts out.

>>And had more than double the sales per title of either competitor.<<

Yeah, thats right too.  Why aren't software sales more in vogue?

>>game play isn't everything either, otherwise we would probably still be playing Pong.<<

This is the dumbest statement of the year; Pong wasn't even very good or fun.

>>Compared to the 360 and PS3, it's what the Wii puts out.<<

Touche.  Well done.

"This is the dumbest statement of the year; Pong wasn't even very good or fun."

If you compare Wii's simplicity to Pong, then I guess they're the same.

I think you're just trolling for a response Wae...

What *games* are you talking about that are 'simple'?

Ocean,

Even I who has owned every single Nintendo console to come into existance, and every single Nintendo handheld, with hardly playing other consoles, knows what he's talking about.

"I think you're just trolling for a response Wae..."

Like I asked before Pot, have you been introduced to Kettle yet?

"And what the heck is "low rez"?

Great Graphics /= good game play"

Low rez is Call of Duty World at War on the Wii.  Rent it/buy it and you will find out.

All things being equal as the are in CODWAW, playing at 480i or whatever the Wii is vs 720p takes away from the immersion plane and simple.

For me its game play then graphics then sound.  All three make up the experience.  In the case the CODWAR all three are better on the 360/PS3.