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Dan Lyons finally takes on a very obvious problem: Apple has too many friends in the media and rather than be critical of the company, they simply suck up to Apple in return for "super-secret" access.

Heads-up, Dan. It's old news. I've been complaining about this for years, about the rah-rah reviews by Apple-sponsored media in all the tier-one newspapers in the country. (You know, the guys who didn't even know that iPhone 1.0 couldn't sync with Outlook correctly because their Apple handlers ensure they only used it with a Mac.) This situation has always been bad, horrible. But I guess it's finally coming to light because Apple is now a much bigger and more influential company now.

Whatever. Welcome to the party.

The media's coverage of Apple bites. Here's why.

The worst thing about the coverage of the Steve Jobs health fiasco at Apple is not only that much of the media failed to pursue the story ... the media went beyond just ignoring the story and actually helped Apple tamp down the story, which kept bubbling up, usually on blogs.

It's one thing for PR flacks to tell lies. That is, after all, what they get paid to do. But it's another thing for the media to join in on the action.

The fact is, in the eyes of the media, Apple is the corporate equivalent of Barack Obama—a company that can do no wrong. Even in Silicon Valley, where much of the press corps are pretty much glorified cheerleaders (think of all those slobbering cover stories about the Google guys) Apple's kid-gloves treatment stands out. Reporters don't just overlook Apple's faults; they'll actually apologize for them, or rationalize them away. Ever seen reporters clapping and cheering at a press conference? Happens all the time at Apple events.

Thank you. Exactly. It's disgusting. And every time one of those so-called journalists actually breaks out into applause during a product pitch, they should simply be asked to leave. Eventually, we'll be left with the ones who aren't witless boobs.

Mary Jo Foley touches on this situation nicely (and, I should point out, accurately) in her own blog post on this subject today:

Reporters clapping at a Microsoft press conference? Maybe. Somewhere. But I hear/see a lot more jeers than cheers in the Microsoft press rooms and events where I’ve been present than I noticed the couple of times I’ve been at an Apple event.

Exactly right. So much for the benefits of "super secret" access on the Windows side.

But back to Dan. Because he brings up the most recent example of the media's inability to think clearly when it comes to Apple: Steve Jobs is clearly sick. And yet no-one has the cajones to just admit it.

Anyone with half a brain and pair of eyes could look at Steve Jobs last June and know that this was not a healthy 53-year-old man. Yet for months Apple fanboys and Apple's friends in the media have bent themselves into pretzels in search of ways to argue that he's in fine health.

Yep. And the side effect of this is that when people do mention it--as I have--you get these antagonistic emails from Apple fanatics wondering what the frick your problem is. I mean, how dare you question Apple or His Holiness, Mr. Jobs?

It's a quite a little world you people have invented for yourself. It really is.

But then, this has been my issue with the more fanatical corners of the Mac community for a long, long time. Here it is, laid out nice and simple:

Some of my colleagues in the media have made a Faustian bargain with Apple. In exchange for super-special access ... they tacitly agree not to criticize the company or even to say things it doesn't like.

Remember that the next time you read an Apple product review.

Published Jan 16 2009, 04:17 PM by pthurrott
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Comments

 

weedmonk said:

Ha! I'm glad you caught this because it fits into what you were saying AGES ago.  

Reading through Lyons' comments section vindicates it, IMO.

January 16, 2009 2:23 PM
 

Cfischer83 said:

This is Dan Lyons?? Mr. FSJ himself? I never thought I'd read something like this from HIM!

January 16, 2009 2:25 PM
 

spottyjessup said:

All I ask is that the press approach Apple with the same toughness, relentless objectivity, skepticism, and unshakable rigor that they do with, say, Barack Obama! I mean, we can't have the press corps being a bunch of fawning lapdogs.

January 16, 2009 2:34 PM
 

Ocean said:

>>In exchange for super-special access ... they tacitly agree not to criticize the company or even to say things it doesn't like.<<

Thats a very serious charge, and most likely why the strategic word 'tacitly' was placed in there.

Nevertheless, Walt, David and Ars have all crtiticized Apple and celebrated over their competitors.  This is all just sour grapes.

The Internet makes a wide variety of opinions open today.

OT:  You guys should read the profile of Tim Cook.  I suspect Apple will be OK.  money.cnn.com/.../index.htm

OT2:  I wonder if Paul will mention the just released NPD numbers:  3rd place for the 360:

technologizer.com/.../nintendo-dominates-08-in-sales-figure-shocker

January 16, 2009 2:40 PM
 

tayme said:

"The fact is, in the eyes of the media, Apple is the corporate equivalent of Barack Obama"

This is exactly what I was saying yesterday, and to me it is sickening on both levels. Jobs and Obama are merely men...not saviors. Jobs has at least been a visionary leader in the computer and CE industries. Obama has done nothing to deserve the worship that he gets. He has been in campaign mode for at least 5 years. The real test is coming. Biden, himself, said as much.

Enough politics...Great commentary, Paul.

--tayme

January 16, 2009 2:40 PM
 

Ocean said:

Oh, and if Apple plays games with the press, so does MS.  From MJF's post:

>>I’ve also had times and circumstances when I’ve been blocked and banned — either because of things I wrote and/or fears about what I might write. (For an example of the latter, I can point to my book Microsoft 2.0, for which I was granted no interviews by anyone at an executive level at Microsoft. Luckily, there are still some folks who work at Microsoft who believed that talking to someone who is making an honest effort to tell a story was worth risking the wrath of those wanting to cut off all information from the inside.)<<

January 16, 2009 2:43 PM
 

tayme said:

And, yes...I know that the quote about Obama was from Lyon's article...not from Paul himself.

--tayme

January 16, 2009 2:45 PM
 

weedmonk said:

Ars? iTarts have been trying to force Ars along with Mossy, Pogue et. all into the "objective' scions narrative only to be ridiculed.

This meme cycle is ending and the next decade will  be quite different...get used to it.

January 16, 2009 2:46 PM
 

DavidR91 said:

"Some of my colleagues in the media have made a Faustian bargain with Apple. In exchange for super-special access ... they tacitly agree not to criticize the company or even to say things it doesn't like."

Because that NEVER happens with any other company. For God sake, get real: it happens with game reviews, movie reviews, and I place bets that it also happens to MS products also.

Anyone who thinks anything is entirely objective is stupid to begin with

January 16, 2009 2:47 PM
 

Ocean said:

Atheism is such a poor way to live.

January 16, 2009 2:49 PM
 

DRWAM said:

But for every one of the acclaimed 'isukups' there is an equal and oppposite anti-Apple FUDster trying to 'balance' the media and blogosphere. It's equally as bad. Shame on them all.

January 16, 2009 2:55 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

One bad "journalist" defending another. (Paul has also defended Enderle!)

This,

"Some of my colleagues in the media have made a Faustian bargain with Apple. In exchange for super-special access ... they tacitly agree not to criticize the company or even to say things it doesn't like.

Remember that the next time you read an Apple product review."

Is an assertion by a man who makes his living writing about Microsoft products and has somehow let that evolve into a visceral hatred for all things Apple.

You might look here

macdailynews.com/.../19741

to see this shining example of "Journalism" in action. Banned from CNBC.

January 16, 2009 2:55 PM
 

shark47 said:

tayme,

I tend to agree with your statements regarding both Obama and Apple and, in fact, I made that comparison yesterday.

FWIW, I like some of Apple's products. I also like Obama's choice of cabinet. But in both cases, you never know what to expect based on the media's coverage.

January 16, 2009 2:58 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"This is Dan Lyons?? Mr. FSJ himself? I never thought I'd read something like this from HIM!"

You do realize that everything he writes under the FSJ handle was actually in sarcasm, right?

As a follow up to yesterday's article:

@robertsjoe:  "Of course Linux is the preferred (and superior) option for server side"

It's better than OS X Server anyway.

My take:

Steve Jobs on iPhone 1.0:  "It's REVolutionary!"  (emphasis on the "rev")

Media:  "Ooo, ahhh."  *blog, blog, blog*

Stockholders:  *muted applause.*  *sell*

Steve Jobs on iPhone 2.0 (aka 3G):  "It's like the first one, but now faster."

Media:  "O RLY?  WYCKED!  KTHXBYE!"  *blog, blog, blog*

Stockholders:  "What is this sh*t?  Same ol', same ol'."  *sell, sell, sell*

So if the first one was so good, why don't more people still have it?

January 16, 2009 3:01 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Banned from CNBC."

According to CNBC, that's not so.

January 16, 2009 3:05 PM
 

Waethorn said:

January 16, 2009 3:12 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

"Banned from CNBC."

According to CNBC, that's not so.

Apparently, you're right. Here's what the jackass himself has to say about it.

"From what I was told after the show, it's highly unlikely that I'll ever be invited back.  (For what it's worth, after the show I apologized to Goldman and others at CNBC for being so rude. And the next day, a CNBC spokesman said that I have not been "banned" from the network.)"

I'm a bit tired of the Jobs health issue. Let him go get well. Paul using this as the latest cudgel to beat up Apple is vile, below disgusting.

January 16, 2009 3:15 PM
 

Waethorn said:

All I have to say is:

Where's Woz?  Put him in the chair.  He's worth a few laughs.

January 16, 2009 3:16 PM
 

RaaJ said:

chuckb84

I am sure you don't think fibbing to the investors about the health prospects of the Dear Leader amounts to anything? You can't buy that kind of privacy excuse when you attribute all the success (or a previous lack thereof) of the company to one man, and not expect people to demand transparency on any issues that might keep the Dear Leader from turning it all up to 11 at the job. Pointing this bizarre concession afforded to Apple makes Dan and Paul somehow vile and below disgusting?

January 16, 2009 3:25 PM
 

shark47 said:

While it's sad that Jobs' health has become such a big issue, don't blame Paul and Dan Lyons for it; blame Apple or at least Apple's board, which is supposed to represent the shareholders. What the iFanboys don't realize is that shareholders have a right to this information, especially in a company that's run like Apple is. Apple is a one man show or at least that's the appearance the company gives out.

January 16, 2009 3:48 PM
 

WebGuy3000 said:

And then there's Brian Lam of Gizmodo, who seems to have come completely unhinged.

i.gizmodo.com/.../feel-better-steve

January 16, 2009 3:49 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

How different are the Apple reporters who get special access from you running a blog that constantly posts anti-Apple, anti-Linux posts and the like to get kisses from Microsoft? No different at all.

January 16, 2009 3:58 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

I wonder if this is all an agenda from MS? Apple gets all the best press and MS gets kicked all the time (so they should for the mediocrity). So their minions (like this and Mary's blog) tow the company agenda. Like that episode of Windows Weekly with Paul and Mary. God, two peas in a pod talking up the Apple Tax. They just got their memorandum from Microsoft about the "Apple Tax" and were on the march, shouting it from the bandwagon like there was no tomorrow. People's ears bled listening to that podcast it was so hard to listen to.

January 16, 2009 4:02 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"Some of my colleagues in the media have made a Faustian bargain with Apple. In exchange for super-special access ... they tacitly agree not to criticize the company or even to say things it doesn't like."

As opposed to Wincentric columnists who are so frustrated that they're not privy to the inner machinations of Apple the way they are Microsoft that they whine and cry like little children about how unfair life is.

"Paul using this as the latest cudgel to beat up Apple is vile, below disgusting."

Amen.

January 16, 2009 4:05 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

"Reporters clapping at a Microsoft press conference? Maybe. Somewhere. But I hear/see a lot more jeers than cheers in the Microsoft press rooms and events where I’ve been present than I noticed the couple of times I’ve been at an Apple event."

Did you ever stop to think that MS is just hated by some that's why they jeer? Nothing to do with Apple, more to do with how bad the company is in many people's eyes. Maybe these people are tired of the Microsoft Communism. They control the market so a lot of people are forced to use their mediocre products. Why? Because The Part dictates it. And some people don't like it. Nothing to do with Apple.

January 16, 2009 4:06 PM
 

weedmonk said:

"Atheism is such a poor way to live."

Ouch....so my disbelief in the invisible cloud being and the superiroity of shiny AAPL products signals my woeful existence.

I shall endeavor to reach the pinnacle of iExistence on my journey...

January 16, 2009 4:06 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

In summary:

Dan Lyons, Mary Jo Foley and Paul Thurrott all confirm what we've all known for years - Apple lies and has lots of people who happily repeat whatever lies they're told.

And the Mac faithful once again tell us how lovely Emperor Steve's new clothes look.

No suprises except that Dan Lyons and CNBC actually brought what we all knew out in the open. And Paul and Mary Jo had the guts to back him up.

(I guess we know who will and won't be getting early access to Apple's new products)

January 16, 2009 4:07 PM
 

Waethorn said:

@robertsjoe:

Nobody takes you seriously.  Give it a rest pal.

January 16, 2009 4:10 PM
 

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January 16, 2009 4:13 PM
 

Ocean said:

>>Dan Lyons, Mary Jo Foley and Paul Thurrott all confirm<<

They did?  Where?

January 16, 2009 4:20 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Actually, he may have a serious condition that could even be life threatening if untreated, and could easily recover with treatment and rest. Therefore, Apple would not be lying. In fact, since no one actually knows, then no one is correct about this, at least until it's over. If Paul, Dan and Mary Jo are correct, we will find out more sooner than later. If they are wrong, some of the above applies. Either way, since nothing is confirmed this post doesn't prove much, except that there are just as many Apple haters as their are lemmings in the media. BOTH ARE WRONG!!!!!

January 16, 2009 4:21 PM
 

RaaJ said:

The iTards have descended.

Recalibrate those reading glasses, put down the iKoolAid jar, and read the articles on the blog. ALL THE ARTICLES. Not just those that have the word Apple, iPod, iPhone, Mac and Jobs in them.

January 16, 2009 4:30 PM
 

shark47 said:

It's not Apple's fault. Who wouldn't like to manipulate the media? I'm sure every company tries it. Celebrities and politicians do it too. Apple was probably able to take it a notch higher, but then, then media was willing to play along. The media should be blamed for allowing itself to be manipulated the way it was.

January 16, 2009 4:43 PM
 

Waethorn said:

@Doc:

Ok, so riddle me this, Batman:

When have you ever seen a "hormone imbalance" justify a 6-month leave of absence from work?

January 16, 2009 4:45 PM
 

shark47 said:

"I guess we know who will and won't be getting early access to Apple's new products"

The guys at Gizmodo better start doing some damage control.

January 16, 2009 4:46 PM
 

Waethorn said:

@Doc:

Maybe it's a new-fangled treatment to get rid of some middle-aged man boobs, and he's too embarrassed to show up at work in the mean time.

:)

January 16, 2009 4:46 PM
 

tayme said:

@DRWAM - I agree...I think?!?

--tayme

January 16, 2009 4:46 PM
 

tayme said:

@Waethorn - It could be that at the time that the "hormone imbalance" news came out, that was the diagnosis...more testing, new diagnosis. It is Jobs' decision on whether to release the full details of his condition, whatever it is.

--tayme

January 16, 2009 4:49 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

DRWAM

It really isn't about Steve Jobs' health. It's about Apple's secrecy and media manipulation in general. (or as Dan Lyons put it in his article: "Apple is also pretty good at spreading disinformation and freezing out people they don't like. Imagine what it might be like if the Church of Scientology went into the consumer electronics business, and you'd have a pretty good picture of how Apple operates.")

The health issue and the related possible disclosure law violations are just bringing to light what's been true about Apple press coverage for a very long time now.

January 16, 2009 4:49 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Shark

I think it's pretty clear that all three articles take the willing participants from the press even more to task than they do Apple.

January 16, 2009 4:50 PM
 

tayme said:

@mikegalos - "It's about Apple's secrecy and media manipulation in general."

Partially true...it is also about the love affair that the media has with all things Apple. They are the darling...much like Obama is the savior. At least Apple has a history that is known...

--tayme

January 16, 2009 4:51 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

In the end, these sorts of posts are just based in jealousy. Jealousy of the likes of Pogue, Mossberg and the rest.

January 16, 2009 4:52 PM
 

techfan said:

The thing is that Steve Jobs is a bully and if you bad mouth one of his creations, he'll beat you up by not giving you access to his latest product. Simple as that.

"The fact is, in the eyes of the media, Apple is the corporate equivalent of Barack Obama—a company that can do no wrong."

I think S'aint (as in saint ain't) Obama and his worshipers will take this to a whole new level and will actually make Apple jealous! LOL Oy.

January 16, 2009 4:57 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

"In the end, these sorts of posts are just based in jealousy. Jealousy of the likes of Pogue, Mossberg and the rest."

As are the Microsoft drones that complain about Apple's media coverage. Jealousy.

January 16, 2009 4:59 PM
 

Xtreem0 said:

Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo... every company does this...

Oh EU is at it again!

news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10144746-75.html

This time it's about removing IE

LAME >.>

January 16, 2009 5:00 PM
 

shark47 said:

I guess it doesn't take long for fame success to go to one's head - especially when one hasn't had the time to cope with it. It leads to a feeling of invincibility and an "I can do no wrong" attitude. I guess that's true of companies as well. Failures are humbling. My guess is, if it hadn't been for the DOJ case against Microsoft, it would've been a different company. Apple, even though  it's been there for a long time and has seen failure once before, behaves like an upstart. The media loves such stories!

January 16, 2009 5:13 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Or in a shorter form:

Dan Lyons calls out the iCabal.

Mary Jo Foley and Paul Thurrott confirm what Dan Lyons said.

The iCabal and their hapless followers spring to defend lies and manipulation in a desperate attempt to not look as gullible as they actually are.

January 16, 2009 5:14 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Excellent news on Microsoft being put on notice by the EU. Lets hope they make them offer a choice to unsuspecting Windows users when it comes to web browsers.

January 16, 2009 5:15 PM
 

Waethorn said:

@tayme:

My question stands.  I'd like the doc to answer it though.

January 16, 2009 5:17 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

For a windows blog, you do like to talk about Apple a lot. It borders on obsession. I'm sure there are as many Apple posts as Microsoft ones.

I see there is another new big windows virus on the rampage, care to talk about that one?

January 16, 2009 5:20 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@mikegalos: "Mary Jo Foley and Paul Thurrott confirm what Dan Lyons said.

The iCabal and their hapless followers spring to defend lies and manipulation in a desperate attempt to not look as gullible as they actually are."

Mary and Paul, the Drone Twins.

"spring to defend"!? Aren't you the pot calling the kettle black. What do you think you do all the time on here? You're just as much of a Microsoft apologist as Paul, Mary and the rest of them.

There are no lies. No manipulation. It's a matter of Microsofties having a hard time of not being liked. Why? Because the company they follow is evil and is a convicted monopolist.

Thank God for the EU pushing Microsoft to stop their anti-competitive practices.

January 16, 2009 5:21 PM
 

tayme said:

@zitfacedteenager - "Excellent news on Microsoft being put on notice by the EU. Lets hope they make them offer a choice to unsuspecting Windows users when it comes to web browsers."

Because we all know that Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, and a few other web browsers don't have a Windows version, right?

Using your logic, Apple should be forced to offer unsuspecting users  the same choices, right?

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:23 PM
 

tayme said:

@boyreinvented - Care to elaborate?

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:27 PM
 

shark47 said:

Wow! Lots of guesses in that previous comment of mine.

robertsjoe, by your logic, you're extremely jealous of Paul, Microsoft, and "Microsoft drones". Why else would you invest so much of your time and energy to this blog otherwise?

How was school BTW?

January 16, 2009 5:28 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@boyreinvented: "For a windows blog, you do like to talk about Apple a lot. It borders on obsession. I'm sure there are as many Apple posts as Microsoft ones.

I see there is another new big windows virus on the rampage, care to talk about that one?"

The ratio on this blog is roughly 70% Microsoft or other news and 30% Apple news. So "Supersite for Windows" is quite the misnomer.

You want Paul to talk about a Microsoft virus on the rampage? That would never happen.

1) It's negative Microsoft news. Microsoft's mandate to its drones is to no cover negative stories. The mandate is more to attack opponents: especially Apple.

2) If it was Apple that was having a problem with a virus, he'd be all over it like a good Microsoft fanboy.

3) On the Microsoft side this blog is the equivelant of the Mossberg's and Pogue's of the tech news world. You keep on the good side (suck up to) of the company you follow, and dump truckloads of *** on the opposition.

January 16, 2009 5:30 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

There is a big difference between Macs and PCs, tayme.

Apple make both the hardware and the software with a Mac, it's an all in one user experience. With a PC you are effectively buying a machine from one company and an OS supplied from another. There's no alternatives usually. You want a Dell PC, you have to have Windows with it. The thing is, it isn't just windows you have to have, but IE, Media Player and so on.

January 16, 2009 5:31 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@tayme: "Because we all know that Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera, and a few other web browsers don't have a Windows version, right? "

No, because Microsoft is a monopoly that needs to be pushed to offer choice. Like the DOJ did and like the EU did with Windows Media Player.

January 16, 2009 5:32 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

Sure tayme, here is the BBC's technology homepage:

news.bbc.co.uk/.../default.stm

I would take you straight to the article, but I wanted to show you that it is obviously a fairly big story, based on how much page space it has.

January 16, 2009 5:32 PM
 

LC21 said:

When Jobs returned to Apple, he correctly determined that the company's product and to a large extent branding and message rested in the none too capable hands of Windows centric retailers who cared nothing about moving Apple product.

Tim Cook got the supply chain under control, Ron Johnson fired up the retail side, and Jobs decided to control the message. If tech journalists turned into sycophants, don't blame Apple, a small company taking on a global monster in Redmond. Suck-up journalism is a problem in all sectors, and with the demise of solid print reporting, its getting worse.

Apple users gullible? Some are. Better gullible than stupid, as are the dopes who don't patch their Windows machines (see latest Downandup worm infection stories; 9 million and going strong, according to IW).

Where is the Thurott take on that? Did I miss it?

As a Mac user, I'm concerned about the company, but more concerned about Job's health. The guy is really, really sick. As Jobs always does, he tried to control the message, and in this 24/7 gossipy. speculation driven world, he failed.

January 16, 2009 5:33 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

"robertsjoe, by your logic, you're extremely jealous of Paul, Microsoft, and "Microsoft drones". Why else would you invest so much of your time and energy to this blog otherwise?"

By your logic right there you are jealous of the Apple reporters, like Pogue, Mossberg and the like. Why else would you invest so much of your time and energy on this blog praising Microsoft and dissing Apple?

January 16, 2009 5:34 PM
 

tayme said:

@boyreinvented - Here are the first 2 paragraphs from that article...not so "new" and not such a "rampage" I guess.

"A worm that spreads through low security networks, memory sticks, and PCs without the latest security updates is posing a growing threat to users.

The malicious program, known as Conficker, Downadup, or Kido was first discovered in October 2008. "

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:36 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Another day another (or a hundred) Windows virus, worm or trojan.

news.bbc.co.uk/.../7832652.stm

Update your anti-virus, anti-spyware software and get the latest security patches Windows fanboys.

OS X and Linux users, nothing to see here, move along.

January 16, 2009 5:37 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

The thing is, I once emailed Paul about his coverage on MobileMe. I said at the time that he didn't really show it's usage on Macs and had rated it purely on how it worked on WIndows.

His reponse was that he writes about Windows, so the rest isn't relevant. Well if that is the case, why does Apple get so much coverage and when another major  Windows virus is going around, does he not remind people to make sure their Windows is up to date?

January 16, 2009 5:39 PM
 

tayme said:

@boy... - "You want a Dell PC, you have to have Windows with it."

www.dell.com/.../nseries

Nice try.

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:40 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

Ok tayme, even if it is not new, can you show me the blog that Paul made on it?

3 million users+ is a rampage in my mind. How many millions does it take in yours?

January 16, 2009 5:42 PM
 

shark47 said:

"By your logic right there you are jealous of the Apple reporters, like Pogue, Mossberg and the like. Why else would you invest so much of your time and energy on this blog praising Microsoft and dissing Apple?"

But that was your logic. That's exactly what you said ten minutes ago.

People, remember that Paul never said this blog was going to focus only on MS. In fact, he clearly mentioned that he was shutting down the Internet Nexus blog and would talk about other technologies here too. what Paul calls this site is his business. Using the same logic, shouldn't apple.com be a site to sell fruits?

Also, what's the deal with praising Paul when he criticizes Microsoft and calling him names when he does the same to Apple?

January 16, 2009 5:44 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

Haha. 2 desktops and 2 notebooks. that's a big choice. Why not offer their entire range with different OSs? Because Microsoft give them huge discounts if they don't.

January 16, 2009 5:45 PM
 

shark47 said:

"Ok tayme, even if it is not new, can you show me the blog that Paul made on it?"

Again, boy, what Paul blogs about is his business. He can blog about royal bengal tigers or Ethiopian honey wine if he wants to. If you don't like it, stop reading.

January 16, 2009 5:49 PM
 

tayme said:

@boy... - OK, I'll give you the rampage part...but this paragraph tells me that it is on a rampage in the countries that have the highest rates of software piracy. Coincidence?

"Microsoft says that the malware has infected computers in many different parts of the world, with machines in China, Brazil, Russia, and India having the highest number of victims. "

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:50 PM
 

LC21 said:

Not that it matters, but if PT understood Jobs and how his personality and history affect the Apple brand and communication style, none of this would be quite so offensive to him.

Apple is not transparent, not open, and never will be as long as Jobs is in charge. That's just how it is. It's amazing this stuff still surprises people.

January 16, 2009 5:50 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

PNWED.

:P

January 16, 2009 5:51 PM
 

tayme said:

@boy... - "Haha. 2 desktops and 2 notebooks. "

Yes, but it was you that stated, untruthfully, "You want a Dell PC, you have to have Windows with it." Could it be that there is just no demand for it? If the demand was there, don't you think that they would tell MS to f off and die? I certainly do.

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:53 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Jobs asking the vultures in the press and blogosphere to leave him alone. And too right!

www.bloomberg.com/.../news

January 16, 2009 5:54 PM
 

tayme said:

@boy... - "PNWED."

Another zit faced teenager that robertsjoe must have turned on to Paul's site...

--tayme

January 16, 2009 5:55 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Here's that Jobs' quote link www.bloomberg.com/.../news

January 16, 2009 5:55 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Sorry people, the wife is sick [hormonal imbalance causing a severe migraine, but she doesn't need six months to recover], so I fed the kids pizza, popcorn, ice cream and candy. Don't worry Mike, I'll give them a Flintstone vitamin too!

I was suggesting a possibility of a benign but potentially life threatening pancreatic disorder of a pseudocyst, phlegmon or even the more serious pancreatic necrosis. This is not a professional opinion since I don't know much about what's currently going on. It's just an upbeat possibility. I have my own opinions which could equally be incorrect. I have not heard of a hormonal sequella to his problem that would require a six month leave, but perhaps he actually meant enzyme rather than hormone, which gives my suggestion more credence. Laymen often incorrectly describe their ailments. Gentlemen, you have just read your first Dr. WAM disclaimer ;)

The world will know soon enough, but I know of many people that use Macs, but don't know or care a thing about SJ. Lets hope that every one in the world remain or get healthy. That ice cream looks good!

Doc

January 16, 2009 5:56 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

I guess that's true tayme.

Like they keep doing with Vista.

January 16, 2009 5:56 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@shark47: "People, remember that Paul never said this blog was going to focus only on MS."

According to the top of this blog, it says "SuperSite for Windows", does it not?

Which if you look at it from the point of view that it's a blog to praise everything Windows, be a fanboy site, then I guess you would expect it to knock the competition: which it does on an extremely regular basis.

January 16, 2009 5:59 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

Actually, I'm 26, but hey.

I still pwned you.

January 16, 2009 5:59 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@tayme: "OK, I'll give you the rampage part...but this paragraph tells me that it is on a rampage in the countries that have the highest rates of software piracy. Coincidence?"

What does this have to do with Windows being an insecure OS? One that is currently (and always) under attack?

Do you think the worm distinguishes between a pirated copy of Windows and a legit one?

Your comment is complete pointless. As per usual.

January 16, 2009 6:02 PM
 

daveinla said:

I mean there's nothing new here. Apple has been known forever for being ultra secretive and ultra aggressive towards people who dared spreading news about future products. Who didn't know about that ??

Granted they have lots of good reviews from the press, maybe more than MS, but isn't it because they make better products ? Just look at the ire of Mac centric publication when something wrong comes out like the 3G rollout, Mobile me rollout or the lack of Firewire on current Macbooks. Don't say the press is all Apple suckers. They have the praise they deserve as the company opening new doors and setting new standards in computing and Consumer electronics for 10 years now.

Now when it comes to health, it's something very personal and touchy, all the more when cancer is involved, and in a big company like Apple, the health of the CEO should never be discussed publicly unless its life is at stake (which they did 3 yrs ago when he had his pancreas treated and now).

Now of course they are some Apple and MS apologetic everywhere, and some Apple and MS whiners everywhere, but the least we should respect is someone's privacy in life. Apple's secrecy about its products is another story.

January 16, 2009 6:04 PM
 

tayme said:

That's fine, boy...You just keep telling yourself that. Thanks for adding to the entertainment value of this site. The thing is, just the other day, we were agreeing about something here. Now that I disagree with you, I am your rival. Now I have mikegalos, robertsjoe, Waethorn, Ocean, and you to keep me smiling!!! It is so easy to get you guys riled up!!!

--tayme

January 16, 2009 6:05 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@tayme: "Could it be that there is just no demand for it? If the demand was there, don't you think that they would tell MS to f off and die? I certainly do."

It's more that MS dumps a truckload of money at the door of the likes of Dell. Therefore minimising people's choice. Nothing to do with demand.

Where is Mike piping in with his usual rhetoric about "choice"? Choice is good, right Mike? That is why the EU went after MS on Windows Media Player and why (rightly so) they are going after them about Internet Explorer.

January 16, 2009 6:05 PM
 

jcstene said:

Let's put things in perspective here.  Steve Jobs is the CEO of Apple, but more importantly, he is also a husband and a father that happens to be suffering from a serious health condition.  So why are you using this as an opportunity to criticize how Apple choses to do business?  That's pathetic.

January 16, 2009 6:05 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@boyreinvented tayme is 12 and gets him mum to write his posts for him. Either that or he runs his text through Google Translator.. using the option to translate from "Illiteracy to Engrish"

January 16, 2009 6:07 PM
 

tayme said:

@robertsjoe - Your lack of common sense alludes to you inexperience. I am sure that Steve jobs will be along soon to thank you for your efforts in protecting him here. Just like the Great Pumpkin visits Linus every year!!!

Its adult beverage time, here...have a great weekend!

--tayme

January 16, 2009 6:09 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Dave, but didn't SJ disclose in 2004, that he had cancer and would have surgery? If he did, then why would he lie now? It would only leave a tainted legacy, or at least in part, rather than focus on him saving Apple. That's why I am believing his words rather than my visual assessment. Oh, the wife's up now.

January 16, 2009 6:11 PM
 

shark47 said:

You didn't answer my question, robertsjoe. How was school today?

January 16, 2009 6:11 PM
 

boyreinvented said:

RIght, I'm leaving you crazies to it!

January 16, 2009 6:12 PM
 

screechi0784 said:

I'm sorry but I find this to be a real disappointment for apple. I don't owe any apple products but I did admire them for the products they make. I did off course have my questions about some features they mis in their products, that the press didn't make so much news of.

If you compare the press coverage of the zune; they bashed it. Even though it had better features than the ipod. When I first saw it I really thought that it had a big chance to beat the ipod. But it didn't get the "nice press" that apple products do. Everyone bashed it. the same goes for the new 17 inch mac. a nice pice of machine gr8 build quality. But nobody said anything about the supposed 1000 hours recharge time that it suppose to have. Everybody again just praised it. As of now nobody has even reviewed the product.

I bed if it was windows 7 they already had it benchmarked and all it's faults highlighted.

As of Jobs health I think he deserves to have some privacy. But to miss lead people of thinking he's healthy just to buy his products; I think is just wrong and I hope the share holder file a lawsuit against apple for that.

January 16, 2009 6:13 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@shark47: "You didn't answer my question, robertsjoe. How was school today?"

Ask your mum.

January 16, 2009 6:28 PM
 

DRWAM said:

"As of Jobs health I think he deserves to have some privacy. But to miss lead people of thinking he's healthy just to buy his products; I think is just wrong and I hope the share holder file a lawsuit against apple for that."

Posted like a true closet fan boy. Actually screech, Jobs did post that he was ill, twice.

January 16, 2009 6:42 PM
 

DRWAM said:

I really think that this is a disgraceful post. Using a man's unfortunate lack of health to attempt to prove a point is distasteful . Therefore, I'm done posting tonight since I'm getting angry,

good night all

Doc

January 16, 2009 7:00 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"Maybe it's a new-fangled treatment to get rid of some middle-aged man boobs, and he's too embarrassed to show up at work in the mean time."

Speaking of disgraceful and distasteful...

January 16, 2009 7:12 PM
 

cesjr said:

The reason apple products generally get good to great reviews is that apple makes good to great products (not always, but most of the time).

It has nothing to do with so-called press bias.  It just makes Paul and other windows zealots feel better to think that is the case.

Well, go ahead guys.  Delude yourself.  Whatever makes you feel better.

January 16, 2009 7:16 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@waethorn: "Maybe it's a new-fangled treatment to get rid of some middle-aged man boobs, and he's too embarrassed to show up at work in the mean time."

So early on in the year I think we can safely award the prize for the worst, most distasteful, disgraceful and disgusting post to @waethorn.

As FSJ would say, you're a frigtard!

January 16, 2009 7:20 PM
 

daveinla said:

Anyway stockholders are typical whiners when things fall. Though it's not like they were not well treated by Apple, They have constantly delivered amazing products and beaten all analyst projections for 10 years, now they stock hold better than the rest of the great Nasdaq stocks and here they are whining. GM and Intel stockholders have better reasons to whine. Jobs has not been disabled and putting Apple in Jeopardy in the last 6 months. Now the rabbit is out the hat free for them to dump AAPL if they fear the company is gonna worthless in the future. For sure Apple without Jobs will never be the same Apple (for good and bad but mostly for bad)

January 16, 2009 7:27 PM
 

shark47 said:

"@shark47: "You didn't answer my question, robertsjoe. How was school today?"

Ask your mum."

She isn't a high school math teacher anymore. She retired a few years ago. She wouldn't know.

Regarding Steve Jobs' health:

As the CEO of a company that loves bask in media glory, Mr. Jobs should have no expectations of privacy. You just cannot have it both ways, unfortunately. Jobs isn't your run of the mill CEO, he's a celebrity CEO. Apple and Jobs didn't seem to have a problem with this when things were going well. And though I think it's unfortunate, they just have to live with the fact that his health problems are being discussed everywhere. Like I said, you cannot have it both ways. Sorry. Keeping quiet or disseminating false information about it will not stop rumors. Rather, it'll lead to more speculation among the media and the public. Note to Apple: If you want to quell the rumors and speculation , don't treat your CEOs health like you would treat one of your products. They're not the same.

January 16, 2009 7:41 PM
 

whiplash55 said:

The boot licking Apple loving press is a joke, has been for a while. The idea that the quality of their products merits ignoring their many faults shows you're just another iChump. Look at the specs and price of a Mac Pro and compare it to a high end Dell. $300 for a 1TB drive, I just paid 109.00 for one. 8Gbs of ram for $1500, you have to be total Ass***e to pay those kind of prices.

Its funny Apple was sued in Europe for bad logic boards on their iBooks, my guess is Mossberg never mentioned that one. The latest MacBooks are having numerous quality control issues, as did the original Intel Macbooks, have they learned how to apply thermal paste yet?

I agree the coverage of Apple is almost as repulsive as the coverage Obama gets, almost, not quite.

January 16, 2009 7:43 PM
 

shark47 said:

And I still remember people asking questions during last year's elections like, "McCain is a cancer survivor, will he be able to execute his duties as Commander in Chief?" or "He's to old to be President." How many of you felt outraged then?

I think shareholders have the right to know if the CEO is healthy enough to run the company!

January 16, 2009 7:47 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Or to simplify it again:

Dan Lyons commented on the iCabal

Paul said "Yeah. Welcome to what we all knew"

Mary Jo Foley said "if you think anybody else in the industry does this stuff you're flat out wrong"

and the iCabal and their gullible minions both here and on other sites screamed as loudly as they could about everything in sight to try and distract each other from their simpleminded and meanspirited subculture.

January 16, 2009 7:53 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Shark

Under US law, a publicly traded corporation is expected to promptly announce anything they know will adversly change the value of the company. For example, Apple had to warn last year that they had a product coming out (still unseen) that would decrease profit in the short run. As another example, if a key executive or key spokesperson or in this case, both, is going to be unable to continue in that position for a sufficient amout of time that it would have an impact on profit they have to announce it.

But, IANAL.

January 16, 2009 7:56 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@mikegalos: "But, IANAL."

What does that mean? "But, I'm anal"? As in retentive? :)

January 16, 2009 8:12 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@mikegalos: You, and Paul, and Mary.. all the same bunch of MS fanboys (and girl). Hypocrites to the max.

January 16, 2009 8:12 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

robertsjoe

Since you're apparently new to computers you probably don't know the more commonly used abbreviations and acronyms that those of us who have been here a while take for granted.

LOL = Laughing Out Loud

ROTF = Rolling On The Floor

:-) = a smiling face (look at it sideways)

IANAL = I Am Not A Lawyer

FWIW = For What It's Worth

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

AFAI = Apple Fans Are Idiots

AFAIK = As Far As I Know

January 16, 2009 8:18 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Come on, MIke! I was being tremendously funny. I know what the acronym stands for. If I didn't, I would have gone to acronymfinder.com and found it.

January 16, 2009 8:23 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

robertsjoe

AFAI: You'd never be able to tell what you "know"

January 16, 2009 8:31 PM
 

Yawn! said:

@Mike

>But, IANAL.

Neither am I, I do work in medicine and also own stock in both MSFT and AAPL.   Apple has disclosed everything they are required to disclose about Mr. Jobs health.    

As Doc has tried to state here Dx's change all time as things are ruled out.  

Its no different then trying to figure out why a computer failing and you trying to figure out why the machine is failing.

Yawn!

Yawn!

January 16, 2009 8:33 PM
 

Lindy said:

"Anyone with half a brain and pair of eyes could look at Steve Jobs last June and know that this was not a healthy 53-year-old man. Yet for months Apple fanboys and Apple's friends in the media have bent themselves into pretzels in search of ways to argue that he's in fine health."

Total and utter BS.  

Steve Jobs and "is he sick, does he have cancer again etc" has been talked about by everyone for over a year.  Every news agency pro, con or indifferent has covered it.  Many have speculated that is worse than Steven or Apple is admitting to.  There are been tons of articles about "would Apple survive with out him", will their be lawsuits etc.

If anything its covered to much.  Who cares about fanboys and denial, the media is covering it.

January 16, 2009 8:40 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Yawn!

Again, the issue isn't the disclosure (and the issue there is whether it was sufficiently timely and specific to meet the requirements).

The issue is manipulation of the media and lack of trustworthiness of both Apple official releases and the reports by their captive pseudojournalistic iCabal.

January 16, 2009 8:45 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Lindy

Read the articles

The issue isn't "does the media give Apple too little press" Nobody's that much of an idiot that they'd think that.

The issue is Apple both lying to the public and press and, more importantly, that Apple bullies and manipulates the press to lie on their behalf.

In short, it's exactly what Paul refered to for months as the iCabal.

January 16, 2009 8:48 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

Wow, robertsjoe, you really have become unhinged today.

"I wonder if this is all an agenda from MS?"

Really?  Are you serious?  You know, there is a world outside of the tech world, and outside of the iWorld.  The investors have a right to know when there is a problem with the CEO of a company in any normal case.  It's called succession planning.  And when it is Apple we are talking about, Jobs is more than just a CEO.  He is the figurehead of the organization, and he is the visionary as most of you contend.  He is very important to the organization.  The stockholders seem to agree.  And the transparency of operating the organization would certainly be what the SEC wants to see.

* robertsjoe  said:

In the end, these sorts of posts are just based in jealousy. Jealousy of the likes of Pogue, Mossberg and the rest.

January 16, 2009 6:52 PM

robertsjoe said:

"In the end, these sorts of posts are just based in jealousy. Jealousy of the likes of Pogue, Mossberg and the rest."

As are the Microsoft drones that complain about Apple's media coverage. Jealousy." *

Wait, did you just respond to your own post?

And calling tayme 12 years old?  Is that this "taste" you always speak of?

January 16, 2009 8:49 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@mikegalos: "The issue is manipulation of the media and lack of trustworthiness of both Apple official releases and the reports by their captive pseudojournalistic iCabal"

You can't seriously talk about Apple's "lack of trustworthiness". Certainly not in comparison to someone like Microsoft. Convicted monopolist at that. How do you think they got like that? From being "trustworthy"? Not on this planet.

January 16, 2009 8:51 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@dipshitadmiin "Wow, robertsjoe, you really have become unhinged today."

I keep seeing the word unhinged all over today. I bet your use is after seeing it at Gizmodo today. Brilliant! (being sarcastic, BTW)

"And calling tayme 12 years old?  Is that this "taste" you always speak of?"

Oh please! You're one to comment. You're posts are littered with childish comments. @tayme loves to play the "out of school" line. I don't have a problem with it. He does it 1000 times. No big deal. Then playfully I call him 12 years old and you get on your high-horse?

As for taste, you've shown to have none.

January 16, 2009 8:59 PM
 

Lindy said:

@Mike on the issue of his health the articles I have read and the TV news I have seen have been IMHO anything buy favorable towards Apple or Steve.  Most talk as if he is gone or will be soon and what is going to happen with Apple.  The media loves negativity.

I think he has disclosed enough and that he has publicly spoken about it and stepped down. Like Doc said, when he had cancer he admitted it, so I think he is telling the truth now.  I dont know how a law suit can be brought but INAL:)

I could NEVER but in the lime light, because I think the world should STFU about Jobs and his health and leave him alone about it.  Talk about Apple and what he does there all day long, his personal stuff, health and what not is no ones business as long as he follows whatever laws there are.

January 16, 2009 9:10 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

The vigour with which some Microsofties are reporting (and I use that term extremely lossy) the health issues with Jobs is quite disgusting.

January 16, 2009 9:15 PM
 

BrightrevCarl said:

I completely agree that the media is too soft on Apple.  They are also too hard on Microsoft.  This is exponentially more true in the blogosphere.  That being said, viruses and other security problems have made Microsoft easy to hate.  It's not a good reason, but it is part of the problem.

I'm conflicted about the Steve Jobs health thing.  Frankly, I think it's his business and no one else's.  But, given the childish obsession the media has with celebrities, there is an absolutely enormous inconsistency in how the Jobs story has been covered and how they cover nearly every other insignificant story.  

George W. Bush got a 6 year free pass from the media, so whining about how Obama is being treated smells a lot like sour grapes.

January 16, 2009 9:15 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

@BrightrevCarl: "That being said, viruses and other security problems have made Microsoft easy to hate.  It's not a good reason, but it is part of the problem."

It is a good reason. The time and cost to people and businesses is enormous. And why? All because Microsoft was late to see the implications when your OS is part of a network and the internet. Now they are paying the price and hated for it (and rightly so). As are people paying the price.

January 16, 2009 9:22 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

If you want to run Windows 7 (Vista II, or more correctly Windows 6.1) on a Mac, simply the best way to do so in as a VM.

blogs.parallels.com/.../lucky-number-7.html

This way you only fire it up for when you're paying the Office Tax and need to run that hunk-o-junk or some other piece of MS Tax software. Then you can shut it down to avoid having your network infected with viruses, worms and trojan coming from the Windows 7 installation. But don't forget! Even though it is a VM, you still have to install anti-virus, anti-spyware and the like. But just because you run in in a VM, you can't be lax about the nasties it propogates; it's the same insecure and virus-ridden OS you know and hate.

January 16, 2009 10:08 PM
 

tayme said:

Wow...I think this is a record. Nearly 120 comments in less than 6 hours. Everyone is so emotional about something as non-important as what operating system they prefer. Completely amazing...

--tayme

January 16, 2009 10:12 PM
 

Xtreem0 said:

@robertsjoe

Who cares if the blog says WinsuperSite.

If its a blog he should be allowed to talk about whatever he feel's like. A blog is suppose to be a place where a person can express his own views and opinions on anything. It's not a new's feed. So who cares? If he desides to talk about politics for a while then let him do so. Apple, Nintendo... etc. If you feel offended make your own blog called "I hate Paul" and then post about whatever you feel like. (even if its not about Paul)

January 16, 2009 10:18 PM
 

Yawn! said:

@Mike,

>Again, the issue isn't the disclosure (and the issue there is whether it was sufficiently timely and specific to meet the requirements).

Bull -  Did you read Mr. Lyons opening statement?  

"For the past six months Steve Jobs has been looking terribly ill. But only this week did Apple finally acknowledge that Jobs isn't doing well...some suggest the company has misled investors; shareholder lawsuits seem likely. But how did the company manage to carry on this charade for so long? The sad fact is they had help from the media"

Mr. Lyons not only states that Apple did not disclose he goes so far as to state that the non-disclosure was a conspiracy between Apple and the worldwide media for a long period of time.

Mr. Lyons goes on... "The worst thing about the coverage of the Steve Jobs health fiasco at Apple is not only that much of the media failed to pursue the story."

Easy to disprove using Live Search.  

Mr. Lyons then goes on to state that he was obnoxious  and rude on CNBC and he felt they may never invite him back and latter wonders

He then goes back to Apple's non-disclosure with this:

Now Apple finally has copped to the truth. Jobs is taking a leave of absence related to his health. This news came only nine days after Jobs put out a ridiculous open letter claiming he has a "hormone imbalance" that would be easily treated.

Apple is under no requirement to report speculation about Mr. Job's health.   They are only required to report about Mr. Job's health when he decides to disclose his health issues to them and only those  that may effect his performance as the CEO.

Mr. Lyons tries to tie a worldwide conspiracy between and the worldwide media because he is not part of the Apple inner circle.  One can only wonder if it has something to do with him being rude and obnoxious.

Yawn!

Yawn!

January 16, 2009 10:47 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Yawn!

You're comment is exactly like that tiny group of Nixon-loyalist Republicans in 1974 who kept saying Nixon was hounded out of office for what Nixon referred to as "a second rate burglary".

You confuse the triggering incident with the overall, underlying problem.

The "health disclosure" issue is the incident that brought Apple's lying and manipulation of the media to television and thus to the public eye. The underlying problem that it exposed so endemic to Apple's corporate culture. Everyone in the tech industry has considered it a part of the atmosphere for years now. Paul, for example, started referring to it as "the iCabal" long before Steve Jobs' return to ill health became an issue.

If you actually read Paul's article or Mary Jo Foley's you'll see that what they refer to is not just one incident.

January 17, 2009 12:26 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

BrightRevCarl

"George W. Bush got a 6 year free pass from the media"

More like 5 years, 9 months, 2 weeks and 5 days if you only count the time during his Presidency when no negative story could get traction no matter how bad and much more than six years if you also include the time during the 1st campaign when that was true.

But, still your point is valid.

January 17, 2009 12:40 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

Now we're comparing one man's illness to Watergate? You've jumped the shark, Mike. This blog jumped it years ago.

January 17, 2009 12:48 AM
 

ccambell said:

Yeah, Microsoft is the holiest of holy (news.bbc.co.uk/.../7834792.stm)...hahahahahheeehhehaaaahhhaa.  Give us all a big freaking break.

January 17, 2009 2:47 AM
 

RaaJ said:

"Now we're comparing one man's illness to Watergate? You've jumped the shark, Mike. This blog jumped it years ago."

It's not the illness that is the focal point of the debate, you halfwit!

It is the way the seriousness of his affliction has been deliberately and systematically withheld and obfuscated from the investors and the public, and the much too hushed criticism of this unacceptable corporate behavior by the media that is at question here.

January 17, 2009 2:58 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Actually if you compare Apple's corporate mindset with that of Nixon's inner circle, you'll find they're both examples of what's referred to in psychology as Social Dominence Orientation (SDO).

And if you you compare Apple fanatics with both die-hard Nixon/Agnew supporters and current Bush Republicans you'll see they all show strong characteristics of what Dr. Bob Altemeyer refers to as Right-wing Authoritarian personality (RWA). (Right-wing not referring to the political terminology but referring to acceptance of subserviance to a strong leader figure of any ideology) consisting of Authoritarian Submission, Authoritarian Aggression and Conventionalism.

For more information, read any of Altemeyer's works on the subject.

There's more at Dr. Altemeyer's site including a PDF version of his non-academic book The Authoritarians at his site at home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey

January 17, 2009 3:20 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

@raaj: You're too much of a simpleton to understand any of this -- so I don't know why you're here.

January 17, 2009 3:42 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

@mikegalos: Nixon and Kissinger did great things, even with their secrecy.  Nixon just hated the press. And looking at the diatribe being dished out by them right now (and bloggers), I can understand why.

January 17, 2009 3:45 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

@mikegalos: My guess is that nothing will come about from Jobs not declaring his situation.

A lawsuit against Apple? Most possibly. Stock holders are a fickle bunch. They are in it for the money in the first place; so if they see a chance to get their grubby hands on more by filing a lawsuit, they will. Like the morons that sue McDonald's because they are illiterate and can't read the warning on the cup that the contents are very hot. Or just plain clumsy. Yet they sue because they are greedy morons. So lawsuit, possibly. Going against Apple? No.

January 17, 2009 3:51 AM
 

Avro said:

Given the hype around Windows 7 those who live in glass houses should be careful :-). We all know what happened to the iPhone killer, BlackBerry Storm!

January 17, 2009 6:40 AM
 

LC21 said:

Rotten reporting, indeed. Ed Bott, Foley, Microssoft, PC Mag. No mention or difficult to locate:

From ARS:

Part of the reason for the problem, however, must inevitably come back upon the users, IT administrators, or managers that opted not to install the patch. As Roger writes: "If you decide not to roll out a security update which is so critical that we decide to go out of band, you play Russian Roulette with your network...The same is actually true if you do not run and maintain an appropriate Anti-Malware solution...Now, if we look at Conficker.B: This is really an ugly beast: You need just one infected machine in your network in order to have it spread across your network fast and aggressively. You can get it even through a USB-stick...it just needs one unpatched/infected machine."

A nightmare. Where's the reporting??

January 17, 2009 8:05 AM
 

Lindy said:

"Actually if you compare Apple's corporate mindset with that of Nixon's inner circle, you'll find they're both examples of what's referred to in psychology as Social Dominence Orientation (SDO)."

Mike Galos, at 3:20am (or at any time) jack of all trades, master of NOTHING.  You are hilarious dude.  Your a legend in your own mind.

You hate Apple so much, I wonder if you were jilted by Steve after you made a pass?

Freaky.

January 17, 2009 8:40 AM
 

shark47 said:

@RaaJ: "It's not the illness that is the focal point of the debate, you halfwit!"

Yes, but by making this all about the illness, it allows them to demonize anyone who criticizes Apple.

There are other techniques that are used:

"This is the SuperSite for Windows. Why are we talking about Apple here?"

or

"Yeah, right, Microsoft did blah blah blah..."

or

" Have you heard of the latest Windows virus?"

January 17, 2009 9:29 AM
 

gfryesc1 said:

what a hypocrite paul is.  substitute apple for microsoft in this story and 'tier-1 newspaper' for thurrott himself.  The equation still works:  "Microsoft has a friend in Thurrott and rather than be critical of the company, he simply sucks up to Microsoft in return for "super-secret" access."

I think he's jealous that he doesn't have the same kind of pull as the established media.  Regardless, this faux outrage he has is irrational and doesn't pass the hypocrisy odometer.  Keep up the garbage, Paul.  It's fun.

January 17, 2009 10:25 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

gfryesc1

Read Mary Jo Foley's article. She totally debunks your statemets.

Sorry. Read before posting next time.

January 17, 2009 10:36 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

shark47

Yeah. They did pull just about every, "Look over there. Shiny thing!" trick in the book to avoid admitting they've been bragging about the Emperor's New Clothes.

January 17, 2009 10:38 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Lindy, actually that should read "jack of many trades, master of many more"

Maybe you should learn something about other subjects beyond "how to defend companies that lie to me so they can rip me off" since that's obviously not working for you as a career.

January 17, 2009 10:41 AM
 

gfryesc1 said:

Mike, I do read paul.  he playfully chides microsoft only occasionally but he brutalizes every other player in technology.  So either he's just psychotic or he's protecting a business interest; easy, in-depth, access to Microsoft technologies, personnel, and roadmaps.  If they cut him off, he's dead in the water.  

And what kind of sense does it make for you to tell me to read mary jo foley before posting to this site??  

January 17, 2009 10:45 AM
 

gfryesc1 said:

also, mike you might want to listen to paul's recent podcast with mary jo foley where she specifically states that she didn't get win7 early because she's a journalist and not a reviewer [and thus are supposedly subjected to standards].  Guess who did get Win7?  The reviewer Paul Thurrott has no such standard and therefore is welcome to flamethrow to his biased content...  just like you do.

sorry, listen to the podcast next time before posting.  [see, sounds idiotic doesn't it]

January 17, 2009 10:48 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

gfryesc1

Since Paul's article that you are commenting on references and links to two others, one of which was by Mary Jo, reading her linked article is not exactly unreasonable. Seeing how she answers your comments quite clearly, I'd suggest it to you.

January 17, 2009 11:10 AM
 

RunTimeError said:

This thread is amazing!

January 17, 2009 11:44 AM
 

whiplash55 said:

Another example of pathetic tech journalism from Cnet, I was listening to their Real Deal podcast and in the discussion of moving to a Mac Tom Merritt talks about how his Mac is, after a year getting quite a few "beach balls" when loading programs now, then he states "but beach balls" are cute though" give me a break. Fortunately his co-host rebuffed him, but his sing song fawning on the Mac is pathetic, he's a professional  journalist supposedly.

I've used a Mac they have pretty similar issues to Windows machines over time when it comes to so called, bit rot.

January 17, 2009 12:56 PM
 

tayme said:

I am still amazed. mikegalos, your stamina is awesome. You defended Paul and Microsoft for damn near 18 straight hours...and robertsjoe, you are almost as impressive with your pro-Apple stance. You were able to stick it out for nearly 12 hours. I am certain that you both will be personally rewarded by Bill and Steve respectively. You each deserve it for being so simple and single minded that you refuse to see that both companies are equally "good" and "evil" at the same time.

Hilarious!!!

--tayme

January 17, 2009 1:27 PM
 

shark47 said:

"...you refuse to see that both companies are equally "good" and "evil" at the same time."

That depends on how you define "equal".

My question is this: how many so called "WinJihadists" called Paul names when he wrote that comment about Microsoft's forays in the CE industry a couple of days ago? The Apple fans here praised him that day and the same people seem to be going after him today.

January 17, 2009 2:01 PM
 

Waethorn said:

@all:

Wow, comments are still on?

I wouldn't have thought it so....You see, I have a life, so I went out last night....

@robertsjoe:

Re:  man boobs

You can now take Daddy Jobs's pic and put it on this app:

www.youtube.com/watch

Enjoy!

:P

January 17, 2009 2:06 PM
 

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