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Three Windows 7 features I haven’t a clue about; One: Windows Vault

Rafael Rivera and I have had some back and forths recently about curious new features in Windows 7. We're working on a book (Windows 7 Secrets) and of course we're just very involved in the whole Windows community thing, so this is also interesting to us regardless. But here's another side-effect of Microsoft's Cone of Silence (tm) around Windows 7: Not only are there features in there that were never tested publicly, there are features that are just hidden in there, undocumented and unknown to most. (And when you think about it, that's the ultimate way to ignore feedback.) When we've asked Microsoft to elaborate on these features, we've gotten a big "no comment." Rafael has decided that he's going to write up three of them on his blog. The first is about Windows Vault.

At first glance, the Windows Vault appears to be a snazzy new feature to allow users to store a bunch of passwords to commonly used websites and doodads and have them Just Work(tm) when using those various services.

After fumbling around some more, I discovered Online IDs (refer to post #2, soon) which populated my credential list with all sorts of meaningless information. Things like WindowsLive:(token):name=rafæl@withinwindows.com; serviceuri=windows_default_cred_slc and my Windows Live ID account.

In discussion with Paul Thurrott, we came to the conclusion this fancy new Windows Vault stuff was merely the never-used Stored Names and Passwords feature from Windows Vista, painted over with some heavy lipstick and given a weird brand name.

Questions in my head: Why would one bring such a internal component driven feature closer to surface? How would a normal user use this feature? Were drugs involved?

LOL. Sadly, no. This is just what happens when you develop UI in a vacuum. Hey, ask Apple: They do the same thing and then are forced to change the product after the fact when actual users finally discover problems. There are so many examples of this, it's almost pointless to even pursue it, but I'll just point to the odd toolbar transparency effect that's included in Mac OS X Leopard. After they shipped it, users complained, and now you can disable it thanks to an update. I guess that's one way of doing things. Apple probably describes it, ironically, as feedback-driven.

Comments

 

chrishedlund said:

Ask Ed Bott about it - he'll know

March 3, 2009 8:27 AM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

Paul, you're pretty obsessed with this.  But, you are wrong and Ed is right.  I still contend that MS has exercised an exceptional amount of transparency for such a complex and important product.  And as a Vista user, with the advanced telemetry shot back to MS, along with the less than enthusiastic blogger community and mainstream tech press, I think MS got more than enough feedback for Windows 7, and is developing the Windows 8 feedback now.

March 3, 2009 9:14 AM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

I agree whole heartedly with Dipsh t Admin. A lot of real and documented progress has been made by Windows 7. This is really bordering on obsession Paul. At this point, you're almost justifying some of the criticisms of the Apple folks in here. Windows 7 is not the pile of  above top secrecy  and blunder you are attempting to label it. As both users and designers figure out what works and what doesn't, features such as this one you've discovered might be left in to play with. It may not even be in the Release Candidate.

Windows has always been compromise. Something especially needed in America and around the world. People do not know how to compromise anymore. Its becoming my way or the highway all too often. We're seeing this with Apple. We're seeing this in the many distros of Linux. Everyone wants to have their say, and nobody is willing to compromise. Everyone wants to be a chief, but nobody wants to be a brave. Well, we're starting to see that Windows 7 is getting a following of Linux, Mac, and Windows  users who are willing to be braves. This is one of the few versions of Windows that is appealing beyond the Windows base. We're seeing people approach this new OS and say "Wow. Microsoft actually cooked up something good."

Paul, do us all a favor. Don't ruin this moment. Don't be Hillary Clinton. Know when to fallback.

March 3, 2009 10:07 AM
 

BrightrevCarl said:

I'm with the other folks.  That horse is really, rally dead.  Microsoft is not changing the Taskbar view.  It's time to move on.

March 3, 2009 10:26 AM
 

anonymuos said:

They're trying to copy Keychain but still can't figure out what to do with it and how to do it. Just see how many passwords Keychain stores [ en.wikipedia.org/.../Keychain_(Mac OS) ] to save users from password hell.

March 3, 2009 11:47 AM
 

kcarson97404 said:

I have always appreciated your perspective, Paul, but on this one, I have to agree with the rest of the commentators here. I'm getting tired of hearing about how MS isn't listening. Windows 7 development seems to me to be going quite well without the feedback. People had lots of chances to give feedback on Vista, and see what good that did for Microsoft.

March 3, 2009 1:44 PM
 

wjglenn141 said:

There are advantages to both beta models. When Vista was in beta (just before beta 2, I think), there were lots of problems with UAC. It got a bad reputation from which I think it never recovered and the Vista brand name was tarnished from that point on.

The beta model they are using in W7 is helping to avoid that. Yes, there is less chance for feedback and I miss that. In previous versions, I really did feel like I made an impact. A few features I suggested improvements on or corroborated for others over the years actually resulted in improvements. That felt good.

But I think it remains to be seen whether their new model delivers a better product.

March 3, 2009 3:45 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

So Microsoft are copying the OS X Keychain? Wow, such an innovative OS this Windows 6.1.

March 3, 2009 4:40 PM
 

sethwardo said:

it probably has to do with microsoft geneva.

March 3, 2009 11:01 PM
 

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