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So far, other than the expiration date, I'm not seeing any differences between 7057 and 7068. It's a little bit disappointing but I probably wouldn't expect much new until the RC leaks.

By the way, even though you can install any of the different Win7 versions with build 7068, the only one that will work with the free CPP product keys is Ultimate.

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Why are so many posts writing 'Pingback' ?

Saucy, it's part of the strange culture in which links are important and content is there to fill the spaces between the links.

I see that MS has hired one of Apple's release note writers to do the Description placeholders.

Hmm where are the "secrets"???  Honestly the setup process is 99% Vista.

Oh, come on, Paul. All "real" tech journalists are busy coming up with conspiracy theories about MSFT's new advertising campaign and all you can do is to talk about a Windows build?

shark47

Are you saying Paul isn't cool enough to be a Mac "journalist"?

Saucy

Back in the ancient days of blogging - say in 2003 or so - the purpose of a web log (or "blog") was intended to be a place where you would provide a list of web sites you had visited along with your short comments on the article. People would use your blog as a kind of table of contents to what was on interesting on the web and the idea was that you would follow people with similar interests to yours and help each other discover what was interesting on the web. As a courtesy, you would leave a link on the original article pointing back to your comment so the original author would be able to see who was commenting on his article and so that other people could find related blogs. This was known as a linkback or postback or pingback.

The practice died when blogs took off not as originally intended but as a way to do short articles instead and these backward reference links passed into history. Paul's software, however, still supports that protocol.

For example, the Pingback directly above your question links to a comment on Paul's article by a blogger named Stephan Walcher writing a blog (in German) named "Windows 7" out of Bolzano, Italy.

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Just to clarify, is Starter going to be in x64 flavour?

Also, if Home Basic is designed for OEM's in emerging markets, does that mean there will be a separate non-North American SKU for it?

mikegalos

I think the "pingback" reference is lot older than 2000. cheers.

so MS win7 development team took 11 more build to come up with just one new screen of options?!

So darkmax didn't even read the artice?

darkmax

The pingback protocol was created in 2002

Thanks for explaining.

darkmax: Apparently you don't understand how the development process works and what the purpose of the RC phase is. At this point the Windows 7 development team is most likely going to be focused on fixing stability issues and overall fit and finish - not adding new features or making dramatic visual changes. The feature set is pretty well baked right now and they're only going to be taking on high priority bugs to ensure that the RTM  build is of the highest quality possible. So, most of the work the developers are doing in these builds is simply not going to be visible to you, the average user.

Also, I don't know exactly what development process Microsoft is using with Windows 7 but most professional development shops will do a build a day just to make sure that no new code is breaking the build in any way. So the difference of 11 between build numbers should be roughly equivalent to the number of business days between builds.

kenmcnamee

Daily builds are typical (but not quite universal) at Microsoft.

Hmm....no N or K versions.  That's odd.

Darkmax: That's trolltastic.

You're right though. Everyone at Microsoft have combined their talents over the last coupla months to create a single new menu screen.

End sarcasm.

Seriously, I kinda broke my own rule here, but let's try not to feed the troll.

Wae, I wonder if there will not be a necessity for N and K versions now that all components are easily removed?

I upgraded today from 7057 to the new 7068 and I noticed a couple of things that are different:

* The Windows Search Service now correctly works with Outlook 2007

* When logging on the notepad always started automatic, with the new build this is not anymore the case.

* This build seems to be more polished and works a bit faster than the previous builds.

The upgrade took 90 minutes

mikegalos

hmm... I think I might have created a little misunderstanding. I meant the term used. I know the protocol was done sometime in the last 10 years.

hmm... didn't know I was trolling.... actually I don't quite understand what the term "troll" means here. I'm really old school.

anyway, until I can get my hands on the build, I can only say as much as that. They might have already change or tuned the internal workings to a finer degree.

@Waethorn

If I remember correctly, no, there will not be a 64-bit version of the Start SKU. However, there's no real reason why not is there?

And about "non-North America SKU"? I'm not sure what you are talking about. If you've been reading up, the North American retail buyer will be choosing between Home Premium and Professional. All the other SKUs  - including Ultimate - are considered 'niche'. They will be available in a variety of channels; and availablilty might be restricted somewhat according SKU, to market, and/or to geographic location.

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So, they're been enough Apple/Microsoft flames here for a while and I'm NOT trying to start one again. But, for the love of God, FIVE versions. I thought they might have learned better. It's corporate DNA, I guess.

Chuck, you're right. As much as people may scream "but starter and home basic is for OEMs" it's still 5 versions.

Seriously, home and professional, that should be more than enough, and even then I don't think we strictly need the seperation at all.

Maybe Windows 7, and Windows 7 "corporate" for the volume licensing crowd.

@waethorn: "Yes, it was a typo.  The "n" key on a Microsoft Wireless Laser Keyboard 6000 is twice as wide as the "m" key.  I'm not "cool" enough to be in the turtle-neck crowd and have a spell-checker for my browser.  See if I care though"

You can start by getting a spell-checked in your browser. Maybe then it will also be OS wide, a la OS X. I'm sure Microsoft have it in their roadmap, along with many other things to copy from OS X.

@gorath:  good call.  I didn't think of that.

@Saucy:  Starter is moving into the netbook realm, and most netbooks are also switching to the Z series of Atom's which don't support 64-bit.  Also, Home Basic is only supposed to be for developing countries (Starter and Home Basic are switching places in that respect), so it's odd to see it included in a US-English media kit.  I would've expected to see it included in non-North American media packages, similar to Enterprise.  Seeing the bits bundled here is odd.

@robertsjoe:  learn to read.  As I said, "see if I care".

:|  <- again, this is me.  I don't care.

I don't care about an OS-wide spell-checker, OSuX, or YOU.

chuck

"So, they're been enough Apple/Microsoft flames here for a while and I'm NOT trying to start one again. "

Actually, chuck, your history here says that is precisely what you are trying to do.

darkmax

"I think the "pingback" reference is lot older than 2000. cheers."

and

"hmm... I think I might have created a little misunderstanding. I meant the term used. I know the protocol was done sometime in the last 10 years."

Since neither the pingback protocol nor blogging itself existed until 2002 and since the XML-RPC protocol which is core to pingback and related technologies wasn't invented by Microsoft until 1998 (hardly "a lot older than 2000"), it's fairly likely you're just mistaken.

cheers,

Mike

I don't know what it is about screenshots but I love looking at them.

The wallpaper used Windows 7 Home Premium is nice. Maybe a little too red for my taste but the leafs and color are nice.

The whole thing os Microsoft mentioning price on these things, and hence the current economic climate; it's not the first time that they've done that. It's really lame and shows that they have nothing else to shout about. In other words, you spend less buying a PC and out software, shitter and cheaper, that's the MSFT motto.

@dipshtadmin: "Who's "they" that you mention about being able to take over a machine?  How many corporations use a Mac?"

They is the hacking contest held recently. A Windows 7 machine running IE8 was completely taken control of:

"world’s most widely used browser to take full control of a Sony Vaio machine running Windows 7"

blogs.zdnet.com/security

So that's who they are. The greatest OS and browser from Microsoft results in your machine being taken over. Great stuff, Microsoft.

@waethorn: "Yes, it was a typo.  The "n" key on a Microsoft Wireless Laser Keyboard 6000 is twice as wide as the "m" key.  I'm not "cool" enough to be in the turtle-neck crowd and have a spell-checker for my browser.  See if I care though"

You can start by getting a spell-checked in your browser. Maybe then it will also be OS wide, a la OS X. I'm sure Microsoft have it in their roadmap, along with many other things to copy from OS X.

@mikegalos: "Since neither the pingback protocol nor blogging itself existed until 2002 and since the XML-RPC protocol which is core to pingback and related technologies wasn't invented by Microsoft until 1998 (hardly "a lot older than 2000"), it's fairly likely you're just mistaken."

Invented by Microsoft? Did you forget to mention that it was invented by Microsoft AND Dave Winer? Or is this how Microsoft hijacks technologies and take them hostage as their own?

Looking at the screenshots, the Windows 7 basic theme looks kinda ugly to me.  It's worse than Vista basic because the new taskbar doesn't seem to fit in with any of the wallpapers too well.

@runner7775: Windows has always looked ugly. No change there.

Only 5 versions of Windows 7? MSFT still can't even get that right.

It seems strange that they continue with so many versions after so much negative media they recieved for doing so with Vista.

The again this is Microsoft, master of product confusion.

SQL Server 2008 Enterprise

SQL Server 2008 Standard

SQL Server 2008 Workgroup

SQL Server 2008 Web

SQL Server 2008 Developer

SQL Server 2008 Express

SQL Server Compact 3.5

Office 2007 Enterprise

Office 2007 Professional Plus

Office 2007 Ultimate

Office 2007 Professional

Office 2007 Small Business

Office 2007 Standard

Office 2007 Home and Student

Add into that 32 bit and 64bit versions for some in that list, then upgrade/full price.  Confusing as hell.

This doesn't look any different than Vista's SKUs, really. I wish they'd go back to the XP era of Chocolate and Vanilla,...

and put Media Center front and center in both. (put the Zune marketplace as part of MC where people could buy/rent movies, TV shows, and music).

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