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I cannot wait.

I wonder how many people will decide to purchase Windows 7 of the shelf to replace Vista rather than buy it pre-installed on a computer.

I certainly would if I weren't a poor A-Level student so I can replace Windows Vista on my HP tx1250ea laptop. I do not look forward to the day I have to go back to Vista. I restored back to Vista one time and it was slooow. :-(

Also, I've just joined. I look forward to joining in any interesting dicussions that people have on here.

Grannyville : )

(Tom Granville)

Cool but...how much is it going to cost retail?  That will determine how excited I am going to get.

Acer VP's were quoted as saying October 23rd they would have systems with 7 on them.  I guess they win.

The price is the last piece of info in the 7 puzzle.

"I wonder how many people will decide to purchase Windows 7 of the shelf to replace Vista rather than buy it pre-installed on a computer."

Very few.  Retail purchases of Windows makes up a very small percentage of sales.  That said I bet the sales of retail 7 for people going from XP to 7 will be higher than Vista to 7:)

I find this strange. I mean, they could have done this in time for back to school sales and gotten a huge start on Win7 from first years looking for laptops.

I don't know too many people who buy boxed OS's at all - especially students. They use whatever comes on the computers they buy. MS should have shot for August.

Oh well, Xmas is only a couple of months after the release.

You have a point there RunTimeError about MS should have released it for the school sales.

I want a new laptop for university (as a 20th b'day present) and I need a new laptop because my year and half laptop is falling apart and I don't believe it will last very long. (WiFi is bused. Screen begging to come apart, etc) It have been ace to get a laptop with 7 on it because I have found some of the functions very useful for education. (Such as using Aero Snaps to compare two documents, for example)

I'd expect most people upgrading from XP to 7 will just purchase new computers for the newer hardware to replace their old hardware that was running XP.

I apologise for the many typos in my last post. I think my keyboard batteries are dying : )

Could Apple capitalise on the back to school sales by releasing Snow Leopard before the release date of Windows 7?

I would expect that most Vista machines sold in the back to school timeframe will include an upgrade to Windows 7 at no extra cost as they'll be in the usual timeframe for OEMs to offer this.

As for Apple, I think they normally only give 1 months worth of retrospective upgrades (I got burnt by 1 week on a Mac Mini purchase with Tiger a while back).  My Mac OSX friends seem somewhat unexcited by Snow Leopard so far but if could be that Apple is holding back all the main features in a big way (though how they come out properly tested at the other end I'm not sure).

@fishyuk

Do your Mac friends have any opinions on Windows 7?

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"@fishyuk

Do your Mac friends have any opinions on Windows 7?"

My Mac user friends like it so far. But they're not the fanatical, "Microsoft is evil!!!" types.

>a poor A-Level student

You may be able to get an academic discount and get it pretty cheaply. :-)

>they could have done this in time for back to school sales

>and gotten a huge start on Win7 from first years looking

>for laptops

I'm not sure about the timeline, but I wouldn't be surprised to see OEM models with Windows 7 become available before the GA date. They've already gone through this beta very quickly compared with previous versions. After RTM, it just takes time for OEMs, enterprises, and peripheral manufacturers to get their ducks in a row.

@Grannyville: I highly doubt it. I've been playing with the betas, and 10.5 to 10.6 is even less of an upgrade than 10.4 to 10.5 was. I'll be glad to move to Snow Leopard simply because Leopard is buggy as all hell and SL seems to fix some of that.

It looks like WIndows 7 is going to be a big improvement (at least in the public perception) over Vista, and hopefully will get the XP stalwarts to upgrade.

And as I Mac user I'll tell you Windows 7 looks very good to me. But then, I never thought Vista was bad.

Gavers: I agree 100 percent with all of that.

You have all some really good points. I'm glad that I signed up to this blog shin-dig : )

I'm very interested what 10.6 will be like. WWDC  - watching that the day after I finish my exams! :-D

Also, I agree with Leo Laporte in that WIndows 7 is the best version of Windows to date.

Apart from Windows 3.1. No application has really been the same since that Clock App (sigh)

My Windows user friends like OS X so far. But they're not the fanatical, mikegalos types.

--tayme

Leopard hasn't been buggy at all for me on my Pro Tower and on an old upgraded G4. Nor has that been the opinion of any of my friends. However, the only problem that we've had with Vista was actually 3rd party Active X stuff, and one VPN issue that was quickly resolved.

I must say that I'm shocked that most of my IT friends have not tried Win7. Those that did, like it. I was expecting more from these geeks, although some have switched to Macs. Our Head IT doc of the 3 hospital system just bought a MacBook Pro. Funny how VMware is on it. Gee, what could he be running? ;)

@DRWAM - I have had the same experience as you with Leopard. My experience with it has been much better than Tiger was.

I am getting ready to upgrade my main PC at home to the 7 RC. I haven't had a chance to mess with it much, as work and home life have been very busy. I had several of the betas on a couple of other computers, including my MacBook Pro. Those that are blindly bashing either Windows or OS X are just sheep following their respective shepherds - Ballmer and Jobs.

--tayme

Some vendors could give upgrade coupons to Win 7, so that the back to school crowd is not missed. That could be the best of noth worlds as you would have a choice to do it.

I meant best of 'both' worlds.

tayme

"But they're not the fanatical, mikegalos types"

Wow. I don't even have to post anymore for you to bring me up i conversation. That crush you have on me is so cute.

As for the "back to school" issue, this is from the Windows Blog windowsteamblog.com/.../the-date-for-general-availability-ga-of-windows-7-is.aspx

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Some people may not be able to wait for Windows 7 to arrive before having to order a new PC (like parents who are sending their sons or daughters off to school who need of a PC to take with them). Fortunately, there is no need to wait. Soon, customers will be able to take advantage of the Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program. This program enables participating retailers and OEMs to offer a special deal to upgrade to Windows 7 for customers purchasing a qualifying PC. I’ll be doing another blog post about this program with a date and more details when we get closer to availability.

I'm actually very tempted to get a MacBook as my next laptop for the best of both worlds.

And also, because the quality of build with Apple PCs are generally very good and I've had a very good experience with their support. (Unlike HP with my experience)

Maybe if my father REALLY loved me, he'd buy me one for my birthday.

"My Windows user friends like OS X so far. But they're not the fanatical, mikegalos types."

And that's surprising? Most Windows users don't even care about these things. A lot of Mac users are disgruntled PC users or have switched because "Microsoft is evil", so you'll find more fanatics on the Mac side. So, I don't see anything wrong with what I said.

That's way off from your prediction that it would be released in April, 2009. Nice try though. Well, not really. It's way, way off the mark. But then again, this place has jumped the shark years ago.

tayme

"Those that are blindly bashing [...] OS X ..."

Can you point out an example of any statement on this board that blindly bashes OS X? I don't recall any. (Although I have seen some measured critiques of some of the more fanatic users of OS X and critiques of specific weaknesses of the OS (which would hardly qualify as blind bashing).

Seriously. I'm curious what you consider "blind bashing of OS X".

@shark47 @tayme: "My Mac user friends like it so far. But they're not the fanatical, "Microsoft is evil!!!" types."

You two come here and spread lies, lies and more lies. Neither of you have friends. You are in your bedroom, with your dolls, while your mummy feeds you pizza and reassures you by lying to you, saying that you are cool and one day you will have a friend.

Guys, do we really have to start sniping at each other?

I was really enjoying the discussions, as well.

Let's not ruin it and just get along without hostility?

You are right mikegalos...its a crush. I especially like the way your arrogance shows when you posted this **TODAY** - so much for your lies about not posting anymore!!!

"" So I guess it's only OK to marginally change the topic if your name is "mikegalos""

Yes."

--tayme

@Grannyville - Welcome to the SuperSite!!!

--tayme

@tayme: Mike can't get anyone to read his own blog, that's why he loves hanging out here.

@mikegalos - You mean like this one that you made a while back -

"That's unfair. Fruit branded companies don't make "the mother of all shitty operating systems." They make an actual SOS. The "Mother" of them would be Unix since all the SOS seem to decend from it."

community.winsupersite.com/.../95155.aspx

I am expecting that you will come back with some arrogant, wise @$$ reasoning about it not being OS X bashing, we'll let the community here be the judge.

--tayme

@shark - I'm not saying anything was wrong with your post...jsut pointing out the obvious parallel. You know, I do have a man crush on mikegalos, right???

--tayme

@robertsjoe - "Mike can't get anyone to read his own blog, that's why he loves hanging out here."

I pointed that out weeks ago. You're slow.

--tayme

Wow Mike, that's incredible news. I think free upgrades are better since you don't need to fear a new OS, and you can upgrade when it's track record is more proven. Smart move by MS. Buy now, upgrade when your ready.

Thanks Mike,

Doc

PS

I go to your site every once in a while.

@DRWAM - I think that MS has done the same with the last few OS releases...I know that they did with Vista. I took advantage of that one, the XP PC that I bought was more than powerful enough for the upgrade...in fact, it ran Vista better than it ran XP.

--tayme

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Yeah tayme, this is smart timing and smart business. I'm one of those guys that would rather have the upgrade option available, then use the one I prefer. I always end up preferring the latest. I may be a jock doc, but there is plenty of geek in me.

OT, last night's HIM IT meeting was mostly woman, and not one netbook. The guys seem to buy them. Interesting.

@tayme: "I pointed that out weeks ago. You're slow."

Great minds think alike.

Since we're talkin Win7, I see that the ZYNX, computed physician order entry system does need seem to work on my Mac or iPhone. If it works on WinMo 7, many docs would prefer to add orders on a smartphone, rather than call in a verbal order, which is a pain to reach the nurse and must be signed within 24hrs. Our time is valuable and many current iPhone owner would jump to WinMo 7. It would be a no-brainer to docs that admit to the hospital. I would also bet that it will work with WinMo7 since even it works with IE 6.

@gavers

"I highly doubt it. I've been playing with the betas, and 10.5 to 10.6 is even less of an upgrade than 10.4 to 10.5 was. I'll be glad to move to Snow Leopard simply because Leopard is buggy as all hell and SL seems to fix some of that."

Really, buggy as all hell? Could you be more specific? It works okay for me...

Win7 is also okay under VMWare, but I don't find anything compelling about it. It sucks a lot less than XP, but it should, because XP is pretty long in the tooth.

@gavers did you upgrade to Leopard over the top of Tiger?  

The few people I know of that have had Leopard problems, had them because they either went over the top tiger, or some app they used a lot was not Leopard ready.

In the case of the apps, all of them were known to NOT to be Leopard ready.  I personally on the 3 macs at my house have had zero problems with Leopard.  The only app that gives me problems on the Mac these days is FireFox.  I seen that "were sorry" after a crash FF box to often.

I see both 7 and SL equally as exiting but for different reasons.  

7 is reason to get off XP for so many reasons.  7 is Vista they way it should have shipped.  Hardware is very cheap and more powerful almost 3 years after the Vista launch.  XP while still the #1 installed OS is dead, the writing is on the wall (April 2009) and its not going to change for the 7th or 8th time.

SN ends PPC and 32 bit OS X for Mac.  It dumps tons of redundant code for the PPC which has already shown improvements both in speed and disk space savings.  I think unlike 7, there are lots of SN we dont know about.  I think it will get a GUI change that will possibly announced next week.  Lots of rumors around this with people expecting to see each time a new developers release comes out.  The Quick Time updates, are going to be very nice with the pro version in the OS now and the ability to record what you are doing on the computer.  Lastly from a corporate standpoint I am looking forward to the native Exchange integration that Mail, iCal and Address book are supposed to have.  We have two departments of Mac's that will be very happy to ditch Entourage as soon as possible.

Should make for some good heated conversation on the Winsupersite.

Retail price matters to me because my laptop is less than 2 years old and I am not replacing it in the near future.  Hopefully, 7 Home Premium will be under $200...i will find it hard to pay more than that for it.

I'm really excited for Windows 7!  I've been using it since the beta, and my only gripe is that Punkbuster doesn't support it.  Now I just need to wait till late October...

I can't wait until October!

Leopard was horrible on my G4 ibooks and 12 inch Powerbook. I was well over minimum spec and it ran awful. I sold my Powerbook and bought a Dell Inspiron which had the same processor and graphics card as the Macbook Pro I was eying at the time, but for over a grand less money.

I still like Macs in many ways though if they made a 13.3 inch Pro with Firewire 800 (or eSata) I'd be very tempted with that nice new graphics design. And give a RIGHT CLICK on the touchpad that thing is a joke, they told me it was more elegant, ha you have to really enjoy the cool aid to believe that nonsense.

tayme

That's very amusing. First off, my comment was actually saying that Apple's SOS was mostly a result of things inherited from Unix. (And that was in reply to Waethorn replying to bettieblu who made a comment truely blindly bashing Windows Mobile.

Now as for my comments being blind bashing, I've explained the problems with Unix on many occasions here. I've also explained how pathetic it is that when Apple was incompetent at producing a modern operating system (See "Pink", "Gershwin", "Copland", "Taligent") they decided to fall back on what was then an ancient and obsolete design.

As to problems with Unix (and as a result, OS X, Linux and the other *ix designs) I'll give a few examples. There are many, many more, many of which are available in The Unix Hater's Handbook which is now available online. But here's a start.

A core architecture that assumes all data is a serial stream of ASCII characters being sent over one of three data channels. (stdin, stdout, stderr). And while much modern work has been built on top of this, it all has this as the underlying framework and has to keep it or core utilities break.

A core security architecture that has insanely coarse granularity, limited levels of permission and a group structure that reflects the idea of a few users on teletypes. And, again, while much modern work has been built on top of this, it all has this as the underlying framework and has to keep it or core utilities break.

An API that was built not by design but by what could only be called a folklore. For example, does a null return code signify success or failure? No way to know. It depends mostly on what professor was teaching the Intro to OS Design class that did it as a class project.

A set of command line utilities designed for ease of typing on a 10CPS Teletype attached to a 110 baud modem. Not using a 10CPS Teletype on a 110 baud modem? Maybe you shouldn't be using an OS designed for that. The result being commands that are not mnemonic but are confusingly case sensitive. (Quick, on the insanely named "ls" command, what do I get if I use the -LAsf options? What about if I use -laSf?

Commands that were designed with a single data stream in mind. For example, what's the command shell command for listing all the configuration choices that involve file type association? Can you use the same object system commands you'd use for other object's properties? What? The commands don't understand objects? I guess that's because they were locked in before Object Oriented Programing was even invented.

That's a start. Hardly, "blindly bashing" is it?

@whiplash - I haven't used one of the newer glass touchpads...but on my MBP, the single button is a hassle. The nly other thing that I ill say about the build quality is that the single pad button is now much louder than when I bought it. I have read that there are problems with that and in some situations, the entire case has to be replaced to fix it. I'll have to take it in to the not-so Geniuses at the local Apple store before the warranty runs out.

--tayme

tayme

It's amusing that robertsjoe thinks he's a great mind but even moreso that he's sure that you and he think alike. I'm starting to agree on the latter.

"No way to know. It depends mostly on what professor was teaching the Intro to OS Design class that did it as a class project."

lol. I was thinking the same thing.

@mikegalos - And yet, Unix is running large OLTP and other systems in real ***production*** datacenters all around the world. Obviously, you haven't been in a real ***production*** datacenter - other than Microsoft's - which by no means is a slouch - in a long, long time. zOS is also running many OLTP systems and does so just fine. Just because an OS is old...and not as shiny and Windows and OS X does not make it useless. Programmers on the other hand <-- ;-)

I understand that you are a paid Microsoft evangelist, thus expected to make these posts...its understandable you got to pay the bills, But, where I work, we use what is best for the job...and that is not always a Microsoft product, in many cases it is, but not always. Sorry to burst your bubble. In your little world, Microsoft is the only logical choice for EVERY situation...and that, sir, is utterly stupid.

I will say, though...we have yet to find a use for OS X in the datacenter and only or marketing group uses OS X on the desktop. That is not by necessity, but by artistic opinion, for lack of another phrase. For a home user, OS X and some Linux distros are every bit as good as Windows...it comes down to personal preference. For some reason, you seem to feel that people should not be able to make that choice...or if they choose something that is not Microsoft, you are better than them. Whatever...that is your arrogance, not your intelligence talking.

--tayme

@mikegalos - "I was thinking the same thing."

Wrong again...You see, robertsjoe is the converse of you...he is bigoted towards all things Apple. I believe in personal choice and using what works best in a given situation.

--tayme

tayme

Actually, I'm not currently paid by Microsoft. Sorry. Try again at coming up for reasons to ignore the very valid points I made. (Not that who I worked for would have changed the facts but at least you'd have been right while irrelevant)

I recently moved my day to day installation of Vista to 7 RC. With no problems. After working with it in production for a while I feel I can move my Vista license to replace my XP Home HTPC with a OS that has a proper media center app.

I'm not going to be out at a brick and mortar store on Oct 22 but sometime between then and 7RC timeout ill wait for a good deal somewhere online.

Microsoft was, is and always will be, Evil: www.techcrunch.com/.../oops-bing-is-now-your-default-search-engine-on-ie6-whether-you-like-it-or-not

tayme

You're really saying that robertsjoe (who thinks he thinks just like you) is the converse (which I suspect does not mean what you think it means) of hamiltonstallings?

oops...I quoted the wrong quote... it should have been mikegalos ' "I'm starting to agree on the latter." My bad...but my response is still the same.

--tayme

I am very excited.  I plan on buying at least 5 copies, 3 for my own computers and 2 for my parents.  Getting my mom to upgrade to Windows 7 from XP was turning out to be a big challenge, she hates change, and even though MS will stop supporting it soon, she was like a NRA member clutching their guns and bibles to their chest.

Thankfully, lightning hit her system, went right through the power supply without damaging it and fried the mobo.  The hardware she was using was so slow I was more than happy to spend a week getting her from an Athlon XP 2700+ to a new Core Duo 8500.  And Windows 7 on top of that.

So yeah, Windows 7 will be a godsend, now that I don't have to switch her to Vista.

Downloaded a countdown app for my iPhone to track Windows 7 release date.

4 months, 19 days, 2 hours, 50 minutes as of 9:10pm central.

@mikegalos - Sorry, but my point that various flavors Unix along with zOS, another "ancient" OS run many large PRODUCTION systems around the world does a fine job of invalidating your obvious, yet weird, lust for Microsoft. Enjoy the rest of your evening...Time to go home and get away from the computers for a while.

--tayme

@mikegalos - One more before I log off and go home - Nope...he is the converse of you...

converse 2 |ˈkänˌvərs| |ˈkɑnˈvərs| |ˈkɒnvəːs|

noun

a situation, object, or statement that is the reverse of another, or that corresponds to it but with certain terms transposed : if spirituality is properly political, the converse is also true: politics is properly spiritual.

• Mathematics a theorem whose hypothesis and conclusion are the conclusion and hypothesis of another.

--tayme

Regarding the GA date, is it official?

Awesome. This works out perfectly. I have a birthday in October. Microsoft has 2 sales of Windows 7 ultimate edition for both my desktop and notebook guaranteed!

Its also interesting to see how those on the Apple side aren't quite as excited bout Snow Leopard as everyone is about Windows 7. That's fascinating to me. If Snow Leopard doesn't have the same interest level, it could be interesting how many Apple users embrace Windows 7. I doubt that Mac users will embrace them, because the new "Mac" users clearly have an anti-Microsoft bias. But the old school Apple users like myself use any OS. We're just glad to have the technology.

I think Microsoft has a big hit on their hands. Paul might be correct that it might not be a Windows 95 level, however if the prices are right, it could be the next level below the 95 reception.

@tayme: " Wrong again...You see, robertsjoe is the converse of you...he is bigoted towards all things Apple."

Actually, robertsjoe is bigoted against all things Microsoft. He's the kind of person who would vote for Microsoft in the "Worst company in America" poll over AIG.

"lotsamystuff" would probably be the converse of "mikegalos".

@chuckb84: Finder windows don't remember their size, position or view settings. Mail.app suffers from columns that resize themselves. Address Book syncing with Google is hit or miss (usually miss). Unplug your external monitor and the wallpaper changes to the default. Unplug your computer with an external display and it goes to sleep. BlueTooth stack crashes every few days requiring a complete powerdown. Dock doesn't remember it's size after a reboot (I have it set to 48px, after reboot it's 52px). iChat throws error messages requiring signing out and back in. iChat doesn't always speak a person's name. DVD player crashes when it can't read a section of a disc. DVD player does weird things with the volume using external speakers. Preview displays wrong thumbnails sometimes. Safari crashes on some sites (MySpace for sure) but I've switched to FireFox. I could list dozens more problems, but I think you get the idea.

The bugs aren't constant, but they are consistent. And before you say bad hard drive, bad memory, or I should reinstall, I know that's not the issue, as I've had these same problems with Leopard on four different Macs. I got this MacBook at the end of January.

@Lindy: It's a fresh install on a new aluminium MacBook. All my examples of bugs are part of OS X, not third-party applications.

tayme

<sarcasm>Wow. What a cogent refutation of those architectural design flaws I presented. Why, if only I'd known the overarching rule of "If anybody uses something it is by definition perfect".</sarcasm>

So you have NO answer to any of those flaws in Unix, Linux and OS X except to say "Hey the other kids did it, too"

And you were the one complaining about "blind" comments?

hamiltonstallings

Yes. Those dates are official. See the Windows blog I linked earlier. That's the official blog of the Windows team.

@mikegalos - You know what, you win. You are right. Unix is an old OS. I'll admit it. But damn, it still seems to run a lot of things pretty darn well. Again, I'm wondering how much you know about running a real, live, production datacenter. Programmers like you and IT sales people make terrible Sys Admins and even worse Datacenter Managers. I have said it before, it's easy to tell who of the regulars here on Paul's site has any real experience with day to day management in a production datacenter of any size.

Go ahead, make your regular arrogant comments about those of us that really do know what it takes to keep it all running. Everyone here and at other places are used to you by now.

--tayme

@shark - You might be right about "lotsa" being the converse of mikegalos. robertsjoe could be in a league of his own. Although personally, I find them all quite entertaining.

--tayme

Wow gravers that is quite a list.  Some of those things you do I do daily as I use the same Macbook unibody at work and home.  In both locations I use an external monitor via DVI and I never seen wallper changes when unplugging.  I do have to set my wallpaper on each screen, but that is a feature.

Unplug the macbook while an external monitor is still plugged in and it sleeps, is by design.  Think about it what if you open documents and your using battery power pushing pixels to an external monitor?

I have seen on rare occasion where the third pane (I have it off) on the Mail app re-appears, usually after I shutdown while mail is open.  

My dock is tiny and it stays that way and I probably reboot at least twice a day.   Moving from work to home.  

External speakers, I use a set of Bose, but I can remember if I use the volume on the Mac or the speakers.  The rest, I am not a MySpace fan and such.

For the 80% of us still using XP, finally, a new OS after 8 years!!!!

For the 10% of us using Vista, finally, a new OS which is fast and usable!!!!

For the remaining 10% using OS X, it's finally time to switch (back) to Windows (and save lots of $)!!!!

‘Microsoft’ brand name causes 40% increase in complaints from app users'

www.mobiledeveloper.tv/.../microsoft-brand-name-causes-40-increase-in-complaints-from-app-users

So true.

@Lindy: I actually didn't want to get into a discussion about Leopard bugs. I wasn't intending on bashing Leopard or trying to find solutions to the problems I have with it.

My point was more that Snow Leopard isn't really a feature-based upgrade, but more of a bug-fix release. Bug-fix releases don't tend to drive software sales the way new features do.

You could say that Windows 7 is a bug-fix release, but it really is much more than that even if you're already on Vista. A lot of features have been added and a lot of improvements have been made over the entire OS. I think Windows 7 will drive many more PC sales than Snow Leopard will drive Mac sales.

Obviously both operating systems will drive hardware sales upon their release, and both sides will have their switchers. I won't be switching back to Windows, but Windows 7 will have a permanent place on my MacBook unlike Vista.

But, for what it's worth, Safari doesn't play nice with ABC.com streaming which I find ironic.

Thanks Mike.

@gavers

@Lindy

I've experienced similar problems in Vista where the windows do no remember their view settings. After a few days they resort back to some default setting where the icons are large and grouped in some random order. It wasn't a problem, just irritating when you had lots of files in one folder. Sometimes, the Recycle Bin take on the view for music files and there's no way to switch it off.

However, since install SP2 for Vista, the problem seems to have gone away. Now if only I can sort out this boot hang caused by SP1 and then I'm sorted : )

Also, does anyone who has been running Windows 7 have a similar problem to me where if you put it to sleep/hibernation it fails and have to do a hard reboot? (running 64-bit)

@Grannyville: Get out while you can.!

I feel bad for Paul. He's trying to run a serious business here, regardless of what you think of his views on stuff. But alas, he's got stuck with a few individuals that have nothing better to do than bark at each other and actually being outright rude. Also, every discussion seems to break down to a Microsoft vs. Apple discussion, that was proven years ago to lead nowhere. Still they go on.

I have actually stopped reading the comments, and only read Paul's blog posts. But then I saw a new face (yours) at the top of the discussion and started reading. As you could see, the discussion was serious for about five minutes, then the usual zombies moved in and drowned it with posts that are probably only copies of what they posted on Paul's previous blog entry. Quickly skipped most of the mindless posts and moved down here to warn you.

So, I urge you as you seem to be a seriuos young man, stay out of the discussions and let these lonley, lonley people continue to thow dirt and accusations at each other. Oh, I wish they would go away and leave room for those who actually would like to have a serious discussion.

I feel bad for you Paul. Like having a stalker. Or in this case a bunch of stalkers.

"I've experienced similar problems in Vista where the windows do no remember their view settings. "

Ahh, that's been fixed?

Microsoft hasn't fixed a copyright protection bug with Media Center in 7 yet. I had recorded Sting and was watching it with a couple of friends the other day. After about 3/4ths of the movie was over, playback suddenly stopped and I received an error message that said something like, "This file can only be played on the computer it was recorded on." Nice! Microsoft does find novel ways to annoy people.

@robertsjoe: "Microsoft’ brand name causes 40% increase in complaints from app users"

You might want to at least read the article before posting a link to it. :-)

@shark47

Ever since updating to SP2 on Vista, the view settings seem to be holding. Hooray!

@gavers I did not want not to get into Leopard either.  

However I have been using 7 RC at work in a VDI since it came out as my daily VDI. (RDP from my Mac) Where I was using my XP VDI.

I feel its better than Vista for sure.  98% of that is performance, we give our VDI's 1gig of RAM and a single core.  XP runs just fine under those specs, Vista was a total failure and 7 is running pretty close to XP.

To me 7 looks like Vista other than the task bar which I am not sure I am totally sold on but I have figured out how to live with.  As a big user of the quick launch bar having that little bar that separated the launch icons from the open apps was nice.  Now they all look like app icons but slightly different if they are open.

Other than performance improvements, and a better firewall I would seriously like to know what you think makes 7 "much more than a bug fix"  Much more really?

To me SN on paper is much more.  I say on paper because (so far) SN is massively changed under the hood, 64bit only, intel only code and less changed in the GUI, so far that is.  Where 7 is 98% Vista SP2 under the hood with some minor cosmetic changes.

Honestly what would our marketing points be for someone sitting on Vista that is ok with it, to get them to buy 7?  Considering its "much more than a bug fix" in your words.  

It would be an easy sell to a XP customer.  Just mention security and the fact that MS is not selling XP or fixing non-security bugs anymore and thats 75% of the XP to 7 sell.

"But, for what it's worth, Safari doesn't play nice with ABC.com streaming which I find ironic"

I never tried ABC streaming until right now.  I am on Safari 4.0 on my Macbook.  I just went there, installed their plugin, took maybe 20 seconds, and then I choose to watch Part 2 of the Lost season premiere, in HD, smooth as butter even when I chose full screen.

What problems are you having with it?

"Where 7 is 98% Vista SP2 under the hood with some minor cosmetic changes."

That's about the same as the difference between a human and a chimp.

That's a good one Shark.

ZYNX only works with IE 6 and above, so hioefully it will work with Win 7 and WinMo 7, which will be extremely helpful to docs [order stuff right from your WinMo 7 phone, then enjoy dinner out with the family]. Now I understand why the head guy has VMware on his MBP, because he MUST use Windows for work, which is a good thing since it works very well for us. Some cloud stuff or at least thin clients will work on a Mac.

I hope in the final release of Win7 they change the taskbar functionality so double-clicking on a pinned icon that already has an open window actually opens a new window rather than restoredown;maximise or previewup/down. It bugs the crap out of me having to rightclick/select or shift/click to open another window. A single click on a pinned icon already does the restoredown;maximise or previewup/down switch for you....

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iFUD...try middle-clicking (click the scroll wheel) on a pinned icon.  Kind of like middle-clicking a link in most browsers opens a new tab, middle-clicking a running icon on the taskbar opens up a new window.

Made all the difference to sell me on the new taskbar personally ;-)

"I especially like the way your arrogance shows when you posted this **TODAY** - so much for your lies about not posting anymore!"

Microsoft was kind enough to let Mikey go in one of their recent purges. Thankfully, he can now spend his spare time posting here, which is wonderful for those that fantasize about running their fingers through his silky gray facial hair (i.e., Waethorn).

""lotsamystuff" would probably be the converse of "mikegalos"."

Do either of you even KNOW the definition of "converse"?

I hate to defend "mikegalos", but he doesn't blindly bash Apple or its products. Quite to the contrary, his eyes are functioning perfectly. It's the WinJihadist blinders he wears that keep him from seeing the whole truth.

"Do either of you even KNOW the definition of "converse"?"

You're right. You're the equivalent of mikegalos on the Apple side. You're like bizarro-world-mikegalos, in other words.

"Microsoft was kind enough to let Mikey go in one of their recent purges. Thankfully, he can now spend his spare time posting here, which is wonderful for those that fantasize about running their fingers through his silky gray facial hair"

"You're the equivalent of mikegalos on the Apple side."

Nah, but if he had his own theme song, it'd be this:

www.youtube.com/watch

rj, not that I think you will do this, or that you will admit you jumped the gun, but check that Techcrunch article you linked to again.  Then come back and admit you were wrong, since the problem is fixed.

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