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Paul has once and for all proved that Apple Corp. is a group of the biggest losers in the world. Steve Jobs is a ignorant slob who's success has come completely from dumb luck. Mac's and other Apple products are only owned by people with from the 60's that used too many drugs and don't realize that they really don't work. The iPhone if you really think about it is barely two tin cans connected by a string. Apple should take a lesson from MS and never include an automatic update feature in the OS because it is misleading. Anyway how dare Apple have the gaul to actually take the time and effort to have a press release that told us how many downloads there were. They should all go to prison for life for such a horrendous in inhuman action. Why maybe they should be put on the terrorists watch list, clearly such a claim must really be about overthrowing the government. some people have no morals or values. Quick hide the children away, I hear Apple is going to make another announcement today. Quick run save yourselves.  I just love this stuff, it takes me back to the second grade on the playground.

Firefox indeed rocks, I use it over all other browsers regardless of platform... now if I can just get it on the iPhone.

Apple is a pack of lying schemers using the worst lies and frauds to attempt to seduce Windows users and convert them to the Mac "way". It's not just fraud, it's an attack on OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE.

Thank god we have corporations like Microsoft, and their shills, uh, I meant to say "spokesmen", who can point out the godless hypocrisy of companies like Apple. If Apple had any REAL success, their marketshare would be bigger, and they would be convicted and fined by the Justice Dept and continually under investigation and penalties from the EU.

Do you think it is a COINCIDENCE that Apple is never fined by the EU? How naive. Ask yourself: Who really profits from the actions of the EU? Do you seriously think this is just about decades of anti-competitive actions by Microsoft, or Microsoft's persistent illegal business tactics? Or is there a hidden agenda? Do you really BELIEVE that Oswald acted alone? You really think Elvis is DEAD? Are you blind?

No, it is only on web page like this one, through the valiant efforts of Paul Thurrott, that you get a glimmer of the truth. Thank god he is continually bringing the truth to this audience of dozens. Someday the world will thank him for doing this work. "A Prophet Hath No Honour in His Own Country."

"...Apple Corp. is a group of the biggest losers in the world. Steve Jobs is a ignorant slob who's success has come completely from dumb luck. "

Oh dear! Someone's upset.

No. I don't think that's what Paul is saying. Apple makes great products. If you can't take any criticism of Apple, go read David Pogue, MacWorld, Walt Mossberg, etc. You don't want your BP to go up because of Paul, do you?

"Apple Corp. is a group of the biggest losers "

Blasphemy!

Don't call them "Apple Corp."

They might be confused with "Apple Corps", which is the label for the Beatles.

Apple's default "Yes, please download Safari with my iTunes + QT update" is one of the sleaziest moves in software short of planting viruses on people's computers. At default to unchecked, guys. GRRR!! It just makes the company look desperate and absurd.

Paul, I get the feeling that Apple implying that Win7 is simply Vista really bugged you.  All your Apple related articles after that moment have been taunting in nature.  Not that I think there's anything wrong with your tone.

e.g. if Apple pushes Safari browser, it's "all hail Steve Jobs" from the Mac fanboys, but if Microsoft pushes IE, it's "bad Microsoft".

"Apple is a pack of lying schemers using the worst lies and frauds to attempt to seduce Windows users and convert them to the Mac "way". It's not just fraud, it's an attack on OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE."

Let's be passive aggressive about it. If that doesn't work, let's attack Microsoft. Familiar story here. If that doesn't work either, we always have mikegalos to attack.

"... it's an attack on OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE."

Wait... what?

To chuck and kent:

The deep end.  You've fallen off it.

Note the Humor and Commentary tags at the end of Paul's post. I think that Chuck and Kent are trying to add to the humor, maybe. Bad attempt at it, though.

--tayme

Dipsh t,

Ever see Animal House? "American way of life".  You can probably stream it off netflix.

Nobody (statistically speaking) visits my company's site using Safari on Windows.  Safari accounts for over 15% of our visits, but only .56% is on Windows.  Now *that's* a rounding error.

Fact is, there's been no compelling reason for a Windows user to switch to Safari from IE or FF.  However, now that Safari 4 on Windows is a fast and perfectly good browser (as opposed to Safari 3 Win, which I disliked many, many reasons) I wouldn't be surprised to see that .56% skyrocket to .7%, or maybe even .8%.

I'll be following these important developments with keen interest.  Obviously.

Why does Apple get stuck in Pauls craw so much?  The '11 million downloads' was pure marketing --- and by devoting   posts to it, Paul is just aiding them in their efforts.

I'm sure they appreciate it.

Nobody really cares about Safari on Win. Even most intelligent Mac users don't use Safara, because it is a terrible memory hog.

Heh, heh... the following is from Thurrott's review of Apple's OS X 10.4 (Tiger):

"Apple's Safari Web browser is excellent, offering speedy performance and excellent Web rendering. In Tiger, Safari is updated to include integrated support for Real Simple Syndication (RSS) and Atom feeds, technologies that many blogs now use. When Safari hits an RSS or Atom-backed Web site, like the New York Times, you'll see a new "RSS" button in the Safari address bar (Figure). Click this, and the site's RSS feed is displayed, using a clean Apple-created design that features a right-mounted frame for controlling the amount of information you see and various sorting options (See movie). This screen is not otherwise customizable per se, but it is gorgeous and well-designed. RSS feeds can thus be bookmarked like any other Web page, which is exactly the way it should work, when you think about it.

Most modern Web browsers allow you to create Web page archives, which include the Web page you're trying to save plus all of the other content--typically images--that makes the page look right. In Windows, Internet Explorer can store Web page archives in a single file (.mht file type), which is pretty handy, unless of course you want to use another browser to view the file. Firefox, meanwhile, creates a subfolder with other content when it creates a Web archive.

Until Tiger, Apple's excellent Safari Web browser didn't support saving Web archives. But now it does: Simply navigate to the Web page you want to save, choose Save As from the File menu, and then select Web Archive from the Format drop-down list box (and, optionally, a location to store the archive).

Safari 2.0's Web archives, like those of Internet Explorer, are stored in a single file (.webarchive file type). And yes, like those of IE, Safari's Web archive files can only be ready by the program that created them, and not by other Web browsers. Still, it's a handy feature to have, and a welcome addition to Tiger.

Overall, I've always been a big fan of Safari, and I'd use it rather than Firefox or IE if it were available on Windows. It's an excellent application."

Safari is really not relevant. I think what 'is' relevant is the fact that Apple will NEED to introudce the 'next great thing' to remain relevant. Speed bumps to existing products and built-in battery technology will not be front page news forever. Until Apple births the 'affordable' tablet / MID, there is very little they can do to keep a broad interest..especially since win7 will have a lot of people talking. Personally...I think if the ASUS tablet netbook 10" runs win7 gracefully...there will be little that apple can do in that space...unless they can compete on price....which they cannot.

The bigger question is does Paul own MS stock or Apple stock. Most people who trade stocks will say Apple is the better investment, even MS fanbois would wish they bought Apple last January.

Actually, the jokes on Asa Dotzler since Safari 4 is a lot faster than FF 3..0.11, which by the way also automatically updated on 3 of my computers!!!!! I did not check Safari's memory use, but I have 4 GB of RAM any way. I'm switching to Safari on a Mac. [and yes, I will not install Safari on Windows since IE is needed for work, and works just fine for me and the family. My 3 main PC's don't even have FifreFox intalled].

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Apple made a claim.

Mozilia called them on it

Cnet reported about it

Paul passed it on to us.

So what exactly is the issue some of you have with this post? Some of you seem PO'd that Paul had the nerve to but this on his blog, and are trying to attack him over it.

Go blame Apple. It's their statement. No one is under any obligation to cover for them when people start to dig into them for what they say.

"They might be confused with "Apple Corps", which is the label for the Beatles."

Apple Inc. owns all the trademarks for "Apple", though, and licenses them back to Apple Corps.

"Some of you seem PO'd that Paul had the nerve to but this on his blog, and are trying to attack him over it."

It's Paul's blog, he can put news about his dog farting if he wants. Apple put out a press release; it's the reaction from the WinJihadists that's so much fun to watch. If it's really irrelevant, then why do y'all care so much?

"Go blame Apple. It's their statement."

It was a statement of truth. Granted, it was pretty irrelevant, but it's not like they lied. Sheesh, people, is this all you have to complain about?

While we're in the business here of questioning everything, do we have anything solid to backup those statements of 150 million Firefox downloads?  

Of course Firefox has been gaining share...that's great!  I'm just curious how real those numbers are though.  Bandwidth for that many downloads monitored by them has to cost quite a bit.

For the record I use Firefox 8 hrs/day 5 days/week in my job.  I absolutely love it but I try to stay above falling into this fanboy talk.  I do have Safari installed at work and find the comments about Safari being installed forcefully to be rather extreme as I certainly had the option to unclick it before installing it.  And, yes, I do work with Macs and can add that Safari is a pretty nice browser on the Mac...maybe some day it will catch up on the Windows side.

Peace.

FF obviously had most of the DL's from Windows users as there are not 150 million Mac users. It was all automatically done as well and done at nearly the same time. It all completed in a few days too, until the next update. However, an y speed test should show that Safari is much faster. I switched, but I hardly doubt that FF will ever replace my IE use. Ain't gonna happen and I not impressed that they did the same thing because most Mac users probably wanted to update Safari [most because the prior version stunk, but this one is sweet]. Of course, many FF users probably wanted the update too,,, to fix the bugs and improve speed. They got the volume but lost the race.

Master3 said:

So what exactly is the issue some of you have with this post? Some of you seem PO'd that Paul had the nerve to but this on his blog, and are trying to attack him over it.

It's the "nah nah nah nah      nah"  attitude that gets the response

bluewiggle said:

Nobody really cares about Safari on Win. Even most intelligent Mac users don't use Safara, because it is a terrible memory hog.

You peaked my interest on this statement. I opened both Safari and FF to the same home page. FF 87MB and Safari 108MB. Would not really consider that significant with only a 21MB difference. Unless you are talking about Safari for Windows. If that is the case, why? I would not use IE for the Mac if it existed.

Kent, it's more to do with memory leaks after using the browser for a long time. In addition to this try opening a lot of tabs and see what the differences in memeory use are between Safari and Firefox. I can only do this on my Win machine, as I don't have a Mac anymore.

"I'm just curious how real those numbers are though."

That's the point.  These are all manufactured numbers that don't mean anything.  Apple was trying to muster up the same type of exciement that was behind Firefox download day.  The only difference was that the Firefox download day was all user supported, showing their support for the platform.  Apple's was forced updates.  And I use forced not to mean that they were taking over people's computers or something sinister.  They were updating software with the approved Apple software updater.  That's fine, but you can't make any argument about the significance of the numbers if they are not people truly interested in the software.

What will matter is the usage statistics going forward.

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