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There's some pretty nice features in that bundle of goodness. Too bad I have a jail broken iPhone. I wish they could update the Notes app so you can save some notes directly on the home screen.

Is tethering only happening with the 3G S?

The iPhone Dev team should release a jailbreak for 3.0 later today.  

@Grannyville

"Is tethering only happening with the 3G S?"

I don't belive so but becasue of ATT US user will not. They claim that they will allow it in the future but when and for how mush $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Tethering is a *carrier dependent* feature of the 3.0 *software*, only the compass, voice control, and video recording are dependent on the updated hardware (3G S)

No, tethering will also work with 3G, once d@mn ATT gets their act together and figures out how much more money to screw out of its customers. ATT is the worst part of the whole iPhone bit.

I am very hopeful that the jailbreak expected later today will reenable PDANet.

I am in the process of downloading the update for the iPod Touch. Best part of the deal?

No AT&T.

You'd figure the top mobile carrier in the U.S. would be able to support all of this wonderful technology on day one. Sorry, the international carriers are ready to go. However, this goes back to a question I asked a long time ago.

Who choose AT&T?

Steve Jobs.

Very bad decision, Mr. Jobs. Please tell us there will be no more exclusivity clauses? Two carriers in the U.S., for crying out loud! Also, can we please have iPhones in the future with one for Wi-Max and one for  LTE?

This explains how to enable tethering WITHOUT a jailbreak. If you are interested, I suggest you go get this quickly.

Read the comments section for a simplified procedure that doesn't involve installing a prerelease version of itunes.

reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10265889-233.html

And, of course, this may break when the next software update occurs....

"Who choose AT&T?

Steve Jobs."

Don't blame Jobs, blame Verizon for laughing at Apple when they proposed the iPhone to them. I bet they regret that decision everyday.

sacr3dc0w,

"Don't blame Jobs"

Wrong. Absolutely blame Jobs. If he couldn't get the deal he wanted with Verizon then he could have changed his deal if that was more important than taking responsibility for whatever issues there were with at&t wireless. It was his call, he made the decision and so he deserves the credit and the blame.

As for Verizon, since we don't know what Jobs offer was, it's hard to say they didn't end up winning out. It could well have been a deal where the carrier lost money on each phone but gained enough in subsidies and other credits to cover network expansion or some other detail that would be worth it to the then almost bankrupt at&t but insane for a carrier that was successful.

STOP.THE.PRESSES!

Both Pogue and Mossberg criticized the iPhone today.  This is *not* supposed to happen...at least not according to this website.

Pogue:  >>no physical keyboard, no way to swap the battery yourself and no way to avoid using AT&T as your carrier.<<

Mossberg:  >>I don’t think this latest iPhone is as compelling an upgrade for the average user as the 3G model was last year. /  The iPhone still lacks a physical keyboard. It still can’t run more than one third-party app at a time, as the Pre does. Its otherwise excellent Web browser still can’t play videos created in Adobe’s Flash software, which is widely used on the Web. And it still isn’t available on any U.S. carrier besides AT&T.<<

Bonus - Inhatko:  >>I’m running through the list of highlights and I’m seeing a great many items that have been the bread-and-water of premium smartphones for years. / Good Lord, it’s been a hell of a wait for some basic functionality...

Cheers guys for the info.

My iPhone is still on 1.1.4. I couldn't find the right program to upgrade and jail break my phone to version 2.x from 1.1.4. (Any recommendations would be nice : )   )

But I'm not all the fussed, however, it would be nice to have some of the newer features like MMS and copy & paste. Apps don't really appeal to me that much. I'm happy to use it as my music player with SMS tagged onto it : ).

>>If he couldn't get the deal he wanted with Verizon then he could have changed his deal<<

The iPhone platform is a unqualified business success.  I'd say Jobs has done well in demanding that things be done his way.

I'm getting a iPod touch (in probably September) when it follows with all the new hardware that the iPhone 3G S has now...

Ocea

"The iPhone platform is a unqualified business success.  I'd say Jobs has done well in demanding that things be done his way"

But the question was whether it would have been a success for Verizon with the deal Jobs offered them. They may well have been right to say no.

Again, though, the choice of contract and carrier was, at the end, up to Jobs so any responsibility for problems that result from that deal (like delayed MMS, bad coverage, network issues and whatever the results are for tethering costs and availability) are Jobs' responsibility.

@ocean

"Both Pogue and Mossberg criticized the iPhone today"

I wouldn't pay those guys much heed. They are known members of an infamous evil and deceitful sect.

I (and the market) say big deal to "delayed MMS, bad coverage, network issues and whatever the results are for tethering costs and availability".

It seems (and the market agrees) that Apple got much more right than wrong.  

Ocean

Well, you and the market are only a small percentage of either Cell Phone users or Smart Phone users no matter how defined (roughly 10-17% depending on wh is measuring and how) so apparently a lot of people ARE saying it's a big deal.

I will add to what Ihnatko said:

All of those features (short of buying media from the iTunes store on the phone) has been available in Windows Mobile for years.

>>Well, you and the market are only a small percentage of either Cell Phone users or Smart Phone users no matter how defined<<

True.

Thats why I said in my first post: "The iPhone platform is a unqualified business success."

Apple targeted a sliver of the market it thought would be ready and willing to go with it's platform and it's become "a unqualified business success" there.

Can anyone argue that Apple has been unsuccessful?  No.  They only argue hypothetical "could have been more successful" scenarios.  Well...they could have be wholly less successful in those scenarios too.  We don't know.

Lets just stick to reality where it is: "a unqualified business success" .

Waethorn:  Thats exactly what Ihnatko said.

But I thought all these guys did was fawn all over Apple.  Weird.  That, or someone has been over-exaggerating.

@Ocean

"I (and the market) say big deal to "delayed MMS, bad.. "

Ocean ok we get it the iPhone is selling but I don't think it is selling becuase of the great carrier ATT. It would have sold about the same if not better if it would have gone with a different carrier. The problem is not the iPhone it is ATT, I will also point out that those that actually bougth the first iPhones and are still buying them with their ATTs rediculust prices for their plans... I am in a family plan with sprint and on avarage I pay $40 for 600m unlimited text/data. Also because I have a touch diamond I have an app that gives me free tethering over wifi or usb.

@Ocean:

I probably could've bet money that if El Steve-O was at Macworld and WWDC, they'd be making excuses for the iPhones lack of features instead.

im just a bit annoyed that i have to pay $10 for each update they release. its pathetic really.

The reason that Jobs went with AT&T is that they have a GSM network, like the rest of the world. One model for worldwide usage. Simple.

"The reason that Jobs went with AT&T is that they have a GSM network, like the rest of the world. One model for worldwide usage. Simple."

Then ask him why the world uses different GSM frequencies abroad, and why AT&T doesn't use them, or why there isn't one iPhone that rules them all.

Grannyville, there is no app that will update a jailbroken phone. You must still backup, restore, update, then re-jailbreak or unlock, then download all your apps that were not from iTunes as they will all be erased. I updated to 3.0 and I'm awaiting for the new jailbreak app. I skipped 2.21 update as I did not want to do it all over again.

boyreinvented is correct.  Sprint and Verizon are not on GSM, like the rest of the planet.  

ATT has or had the most subscribers making the most money for upgrades.

So Apple jumped into the cell phone market and they picked the biggest cell provider in the US to start their adventure into cell phones.  They also chose only GSM to help keep costs down and allow easy global roll out.  How hard is that to understand.

My personal phone has been on Cingular/ATT and for the last 8 years my coverage and service has been perfect.  My work phone is with Sprint and where I live (Northern CA) Sprint is effing horrible.

ATT is either horrible or perfect depending upon where you live.  I would bet that is the same for all vendors.  Again not a tough concept to figure out.

@Darksages the new iPhone is sold out right now.  It has been sold out for at least a week.  I am not seeing how ATT is holding them back?

Ocean:

Conclusions:

Pogue: In the meantime, these are excellent upgrades—maybe not enough for you to switch from the iPhone 3G, but definitely enough to keep the iPhone at the top of most people’s wish lists.

Mossberg: Both the new iPhone and iPhone OS are packed with features that make a great product even better.

Not exactly panning the new stuff...

Or, as they'll show up in the advertising:

"Packed with features that make a great product even better." - Walt Mossberg

"[iPhone 3G[s] is] at the top of most people’s wish lists" - David Pogue

While Apple might have picked Verizon at first, it probably made the wise move in the long term and seems to say as much now.

A CDMA iPhone would probably have been available on Sprint, Verizon, Bell and Telus.  That's it. Apple would have had to build a second model to serve everyone else.

Plus, as Pre users are finding out, you can't use EVDO data and CDMA calls at the same time while you can do both calls and voice on AT&T's network.

Let's just hope rumours of a major AT&T capacity upgrade (not just speed) are true, because it needs that.

Mike I must ask, why do you even post in these Apple only blog threads?  You clearly hate Apple and everyone that comes here knows that like they know their name.

This thread is about the 3.0 update for the iPhone and even Paul was matter of fact, to the point.  I am pretty sure you dont own any Apple products.  Yet you come here and blather on at the resident Microsoft shill.  Strange.

To add my 2 cents.  ATT has be nothing but good to me.  My wife has a iPhone gen1 and will upgrading to the 3G S as soon as she has time to get down to either ATT or an Apple store.  I support Exchange in a corporate environment and if I had a choice I would either use a BB Curve or iPhone.  BB for pure business messaging or iPhone for everything.  Unfortunately I am given a Windows Mobile phone and its less than stellar, 8 days a week.

>>Not exactly panning the new stuff...<<

There is no major reviewer that is...Paul included.

They aren't much different from Paul...at all.

Given the Verizon coverage here, I would have had to skip the iPhone had it been Verizon. (Or T-Mobile, or Sprint)

I was in fact going to leave Verizon for AT&T whether I went with the iPhone or not.  (I was off Verizon contract in mid May of iPhone year.)

Ocean,

Like I've said before, don't confuse Mikegalos and Waethorn with "logic".

Arguably the best network in the world to run the iPhone 3G/3GS is on Telstra's NextG network in Australia. It is simply the best available anywhere in terms of speed, coverage and reliability. It runs on UMTS 850, supports tethering, video calling, HSDPA at 21mbps, HSUPA, MMS - everything and it's done so since October 2006.

The United States is way behind the rest of the world on this stuff. Really. Much like their cars. It's ironic, because you yanks are pretty innovative when you try but the big corporates can't be bothered investing.

I for one, still can't see why the US goes gaga for Sprint's old and crappy EVDO network. It can't even do simultaneous data transfer. It's old technology. Get with the times.

Posting Apple related topics in a Windows site is of course waving a red rag at a bull. Mikegalos and Waethorn play the part of/by talking bullocks.

(It's funnier if you're not North American)

rr0

"Mike I must ask, why do you even post in these Apple only blog threads"

Two questions for you as a reply:

1) Why is the Windows Supersite flooded by Mac fans and ABM Windows bashers?

2) Why is it that those same people don't actually answer the factual questions and comments and, instead, turn to personal attacks when their mythos is challenged by reality?

Seriously. Read through these comments and see who presented facts and who just spouted unmeasurable opinion? Who went to personal attack and who answered questions?

When you've done that, get back to us (or go and hang out on a Mac site where you can repeat what Cupertino has told you without anyone asking any quesitons you'd rather not hear)

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"But I thought all these guys did was fawn all over Apple.  Weird.  That, or someone has been over-exaggerating."

Their RDF has been fading since Jobs wasn't at Macworld or WWDC this year.

Reality is finally catching up with them.

"The reason that Jobs went with AT&T is that they have a GSM network, like the rest of the world. One model for worldwide usage. Simple."

Not really that simple.  As mentioned, even with GSM, they use difference bands in different countries.  And GSM being the world wide standard somehow is a falsehood.  True, they do have more deployments and subscribers, but CDMA is not slacking in any way.  Certainly, deployments through Europe are slim for CDMA, but *little* countries like China have pretty big deployments.

www.cdg.org/.../index.asp

"Arguably the best network in the world to run the iPhone 3G/3GS is on Telstra's NextG network in Australia. It is simply the best available anywhere in terms of speed, coverage and reliability. It runs on UMTS 850, supports tethering, video calling, HSDPA at 21mbps, HSUPA, MMS - everything and it's done so since October 2006."

According to Telstra, they still don't have a single USB modem that supports 21Mbps mode, and I have to point out that the iPhone doesn't support that speed either.  The maximum it supports is HSDPA up to 7.2Mbps.  That's all.

Telstra:  The company that brought you the nation's most reviled internet service:  BigPond.

Mike,

"1) Why is the Windows Supersite flooded by Mac fans and ABM Windows bashers?"

Why, it's for what Paul calls "balance". He's stated repeatedly that his tirades against Apple are to "balance" the Mac fanboi sites, so I take him at his word and try to provide it here.

A few people (maybe, hopefully, just a little?) may have noticed that I occasionally indulge in some sarcasm, a little irony, and do sometimes note the hypocrisy and obvious vested economic interest being served on this blog. (I won't repost the Upton Sinclair line for a few more days).

If Paul would STFU with Apple BS, I think you'd find that you could all enjoy the echo chamber much more peacefully. I don't object to rational comments, but things like this,

"At its annual Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) in San Francisco yesterday, a Steve Jobs–less Apple attempted to live up to the on-stage shenanigans of its maestro, announcing new products, taking one-sided jabs at competitors, and generally exaggerating things before a tittering, sycophantic crowd."

What is he, four years old?

chuck,

So it's your contention that Paul personally invited Mac fans and ABM Windows bashers here to promote "balance"?

Interesting.

You'd think that given that invitation you guys would be trying to use rational thought rather than a wierd persecution complex and personal attacks as a way to make your point. Oh well, I guess you play with what you have.

(As for Paul's description of the WWDC keynote, it looks pretty accurate to me. Care to say which part you think isn't accurate?

Here's my checklist...

Steve Jobs-less? Check

Announcing new products? Check

Taking one-sided jabs at competitors? Check

Generally exaggerating things? Check

A tittering, sycophantic crowd? Check

"I think you'd find that you could all enjoy the echo chamber much more peacefully."

I doubt that.  rj will still be around promoting his FUD either way, and every little criticism, even if warranted, will lead many to lash out against Paul as a shill.  I've said it before, that his behavior is a extension of the Mac fanatic base that posts here.  Reread the "Thin skins of Mac fans" post he did some time ago.  It explains it all quite well.

Mike is the fierce MS partisan (partisan a la Cheny) that many MS fans wish Paul was.

Ocean

And, once again, the personal comment rather than pertinent facts.

I do find it amusing how low the signal to noise ratio is in defense of Apple. I think we've had more comments on my beard than pro-Apple comments with actual, documented facts.

It's a truthful statement.

Apple needs no defending.  They are a successful business in the niche they've carved out for themselves.

They are influencing the entire industry in both OS and Smartphone development.

Mike,

"So it's your contention that Paul personally invited Mac fans and ABM Windows bashers here to promote "balance"?"

No, it is my contention that if Paul acts like a jackass, he'll be regarded as a shill, a faux "journalist", a fanboi, an Enderle-in-waiting, and the devolution of these threads will continue.

The frustration is that he does good commentary on occasion and his reviews have depth that nears that of Ars and other sites I respect.

However, the "tittering sycophant" line, how anyone who uses a Mac is always---always--referred to to as an "Apple fanatic", how it is always "Goatberg", the personal attacks, either to individuals (Mossberg), or collectively, to Apple users, that I can't stand.

He encourages the more ridiculous drivel in this echo chamber and it really lowers the level of the discussion.

As for, " a wierd persecution complex and personal attacks"...this describes Paul's attitude in a nutshell. Again, not always, but certain things just send him spinning off into the bizarro world. He does a GOOD job criticizing Microsoft, on occasion, but just flips out over Apple.

Chuck

Or, to put it into a measurable and factual basis:

Number of years Macintosh has been on the market: 25

Number of years Macintosh has been competing with Windows: 23

Current Macintosh users as a percentage of all Personal Computer users: less than 3.5%

People who think nobody ever went to the moon and NASA faked the moon landings on a sound stage: 6%

(Mac user share data taken from Apple's 2009 WWDC Keynote. Moon Landing a Hoax data taken from two Gallop polls)

Ocean

"They are influencing the entire industry in both OS and Smartphone development."

Please justify that comment regarding OS development (we'll save Smartphone for another day as that's actually plausable in some ways)

How is Apple influencing the entire industry in OS development?

Please, feel free to point out where Mac OS X was the operating system that drove the others to play catch-up.

(And, no, commenting on my beard is not a relevant answer)

And Chuck, it IS amusing that the only time you list that Paul even occasionally does a "GOOD job" is when he criticizes Microsoft. I think that you answered your own post quite well with calling out what the only criterion for success is in your eyes.

@mikegalos - Why are you even arguing this point? You maks your own personal attacks behind conspiracy theory data? Come on...we all know that you do not like or respect Apple. That is fine, that is your right...but really, you continually stoop to the same level as the worst iCabal member on this site. That fact can be self researched by simply reading your posts and using basic reading comprehension skills to understand your true meaning. Its like you shading your avatar green or wearing a ribbon of a certain color in faux support of something in order to make you feel good about yourself...when in reality it is meaningless.

--tayme

"(we'll save Smartphone for another day as that's actually plausable in some ways)"

Avoiding the facts...as usual.

--tayme

Mike,

Paul has leveled legitimate criticisms at Apple. The mockery of the "web apps" debacle is one such, and I agree with it. Paul becomes a frothing lunatic over Apple's advertising, and is jealous of every success the company has.

And, this bit

"Or, to put it into a measurable and factual basis:"

is your classic misdirection argument, one of your favorites.

I could quote data about the sunspot cycle and it would have as much relevance to what we were discussing. Tsk. You know that; you're not fooling anyone.

But, since you bring it up, I'll ask the pertinent question again:

"Current Macintosh users as a percentage of all Personal Computer users: less than 3.5%"

Yes, correct. So, why so worried? Why all this ink and (virtual only, thankfully) blood spilled over a company that Microsoft "doesn't think about very much"?

Apple is SIMULTANEOUSLY a lying, looming menace about to crush all the right thinking people in the computer world, AND a pipsqueak with 3.5% marketshare.

Pick one argument and stick to it; logical arguments usually work better, and you can't use both of those at the same time.

>>Please justify that comment regarding OS development<<

Your favorite MS writer had this to say:

>>enough Jobs bashing. The guy's a visionary and truly important presence in the industry, and it will be a sad, sad day when he steps down from his post at Apple and fades into the sunset.

--

Give Apple some credit for getting to market first--by a long shot--and doing a fantastic job of implementing features that Microsoft, frankly, may never get right.<<

I would say that first or last, showing the market how to do things right = having huge influence on the market.

In another review he said:

>>Apple's products are of exceedingly high quality. The Mac is secure, easy to use, and in many ways superior to Windows.

--

Apple has consistently innovated with the Mac platform, supplying Mac users with technologies that PC users only find out about years later.

Do consider a Mac. Though a bit pricey compared to PCs, today's Mac computers--especially the stunning iMac and utilitarian Mac mini--offer unparalleled design and functionality, with an OS that is never hacked. If you care about security, safety, and design aesthetics, there's never been a better time to get a Mac.<<

www.winsupersite.com/.../apple_intel.asp

chuck

No. You got it wrong.

Apple is no threat both due to their inability to ever return even to a quarter of their "glory days" of 20% market share back when the Apple ][ was viable and their inability to produce a competitively modern operating system since System 7.

Apple fanbois, however. waste a hugely disproportionate amount of space on their cult and have an also disproportionate tendency to flame anyone who dares to disagree with them while avoiding any factual discussion. (As you just did)

This lowers what should be an interesting discussion on operating systems and the computer industry into a vitriolic attack-fest should anyone dare disagree with their fanstasy world no matter where it occurs. This comment section on a Windows oriented blog being an excellent case in point.

tayme

"Avoiding the facts...as usual."

Interesting and telling that rather than actually discuss the questions you decided to focus on the area not being discussed.

I take it you couldn't find examples to actually answer the two questions you pulled that parenthetical quote from.

As a reminder, they were:

How is Apple influencing the entire industry in OS development?

Please, feel free to point out where Mac OS X was the operating system that drove the others to play catch-up.