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Paul, great job blowing up my RSS reader with all these updates.

:)

Maybe they have some research to share about the how many companies plan to upgrade to Windows 7. I think that's important to get the groundswell started, yet I haven't seen any numbers about it.

CNET reports that Windows 7 will be available to businesses via VL on Spet 1.  Perhaps that is the big "7" news of the day.

Maybe this is the announcement:

"Six in 10 companies in a survey plan to skip the purchase of Microsoft Corp's Windows 7 computer operating system...

...Many of the more than 1,000 companies that responded to a survey by ScriptLogic Corp say they...lack the resources to deploy Microsoft's latest offering."

www.reuters.com/.../idUSTRE56C0NC20090713

didnt think they'd want to announce it on the 13th, they're a bit funny with things like that...

I have an announcement: Ocean's a troll.

Nope.

Yep.

Nope.

You guys are trolling by talking about -me-.  The topic here is **Windows 7**

The topic is the coming WIndows 7 announcement.  Your article is obviously not the announcement, so it is a troll post.

Windows 7 will do well. Companies will see their employees demanding the connectivity/ability to work from home and they will have to upgrade whether they want to or not.

Just a guess. Ha.

Oh, and we are not trolling as our intention is not to arose off-topic discussion by making inflammatory comments.

>>The topic is the coming WIndows 7 announcement. <<

Nope, it's windows 7.  

Very few of these threads stay on the narrowly defined topics that you radically extremist posters would desire they stay on.

i have a goldfish

"Very few of these threads stay on the narrowly defined topics that you radically extremist posters would desire they stay on. "

You're correct, but that doen't mean that they shouldn't stay on the "narrowly defined topic" of the original post.  

It's not the fact that you posted about Windows 7, it's the fact that you try to instigate by posting articles and saying stuff like "Maybe this is the announcement".

Either way, if I am trolling, by your logic you are also trolling by commenting on my comments about you trolling.  Troll.

Now that's trolling.  :)

Ocean: "Now that's trolling.  :)"

I would argue that it is not as it's intent is not to instigate.  

Yes, I looked up trolling on Wikipedia, and I agree with the definition they give.

Ocean, you're a troll, with your posts blatanly disguised to invite people to get outraged over, whether it's on topic or not.  Troll.

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"it's the fact that you try to instigate"

Says you.  I have no purpose other to inform and educate.

You sir, have broken this threads discussions by making them about a poster.

Says you too.  Except it's clearly off-topic and obviously trolling.  Well done by the way, your trolling is successful.  As usual.

>>your posts blatanly disguised to invite people to get outraged<<

What did I post that was outrageous?

>>it's clearly off-topic<<

Not clearly.  it's about Windows 7.

Anyone else noticed that www.digitalwpc.com is down?  I was watching the keynote earlier but now can not connect to the site.

Nevermind, the site must be getting hammered.

Ocean: "Says you.  I have no purpose other to inform and educate."

Really, so you thought Microsoft was going to announce that six out of ten businesses were not going to upgrade.  Interesting.

Ocean: "You sir, have broken this threads discussions by making them about a poster."

See, I thought Microsoft might announce that you are a troll, because that is just as likely as them announcing that business are not going to adopt Windows 7.

realtestman: "Well done by the way, your trolling is successful"

Yes, it was.  I lachted on like a hungry terd-fish.

de, you're still trolling.

Make it about the topic of Pauls post, not other posters.

Thanks!

Ocean, you're still trolling also.

I paid the piper on this one.  And, that last post was about Windows 7, thank you.

... arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics...

That silly survey that Ocean pushed is based on a survey of less than 5000 companies that responded to a 20,000 survey request by this polling group.

So out of 20,000 companies only a fraction responded to their survey. Most of the articles about it consistently leave out this tidbit, because it got the result they wanted, and like clockwork, many tech blogs, and trolls are running with it.

To the credit of sites like Neowin, they removed the story because it was pointed out to be junk.

Neowin?  The guys who publish Apple rumors that never ever come true?  Those guys?

www.neowin.net/.../apple-tablet-rumor-re-surfaces-on-sale-in-october

Yes, Ocean, Even Neowin has more credibility than you do.

Confirmed that WIn 7 RTM final build has not been leeked.   Build 7600 as of the current build floating around the internet is not the final RTM build.

www.pcmag.com/.../0,2817,2350114,00.asp

"Neowin?  The guys who publish Apple rumors that never ever come true?  Those guys?"

You mean also like Engadget

Ars Technia

Gizmodo

BGR

Slashdot

MacRumors

Mac Addict

Tech Crunch

And thousands of gadget sites and blogs. Those sites make a game out of it that you and your fellow Apple fanatics gladly participate in...WITH YOUR OWN RUMORS THAT NEVER COME TRUE! As if not nailing an educated guess is a destroyer of credibility.

So what exactly is your point again?

I don't know who's worse, Ocean or RobertsJoe.

It might be nice if we could keep comments relevant to Paul's post. Mary Jo-Foley at ZDNET has some more info regarding the availability date for business customers getting windows 7.

blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft

Ed Bott has a post regarding Windows 7 RTM date and build numbers. These build numbers fascinate me.

www.edbott.com/weblog

>>your fellow Apple fanatics <<

Never owned an Apple PC.  Just an iPod.

I'm a proud XP and Windows 7RC user.  Ubuntu is nice too.

"Nope, it's windows 7. "

Nope, it's any desktop OS. Oh, no. It's any OS. Google Chrome rocks.

>>So what exactly is your point again?<<

That you, De, and Mike should stop trolling.

I just noticed that Ed Bott took the survey seriously.

Shame on De, Master, and Mike...AGAIN.

"“Wholesale migration” by more than 40% of businesses in just over a year. My first reaction when I read that was “Holy crap, that’s a big number!”

blogs.zdnet.com/Bott

Ocean

No. Ed Bott proved that he knows how to read. Apparently unlike you, Reuters, PC World, Electronista, Computerworld,Daily Finance, All Things Digital, Information Week Weblog, CNET News and most of the tech "journalists" out there.

40% adoption rate in 14 months would be pretty amazing.

@chipwinter I would not hold my breath on that ground swell....

news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10285117-56.html

So Mike what announcement made Terminal Services less appealing???

"Never owned an Apple PC."

Considering that they never made one, I'm not really surprised.

"  I'm a proud XP and Windows 7RC user.  Ubuntu is nice too."

Amazing that there are proud XP users :)

Anyone who knows a bit about security should be ashamed to still be running that insecure piece of junk.

"40% adoption rate in 14 months would be pretty amazing. "

Yeah it would be downright fantastic, I would be thrilled if my company would go to Win7 or Vista, slimm chance though, I hate going to work and still running XP.

Business is not interested in Windows 7. It's as simple as that.

Ed Bott can read, but Mike can't?  Master can't?

Why didn't any of you point out the same thing he did?  All you did was trash it as a silly survey, unworthy of publishing.

What is the business case for Windows 7? I asked this question about VIsta, and there was basically no answer. Since WIndows 7 is Vista plumbing with a few new UI features, I repeat the question, and we can phrase it precisely:

What does WIndows 7 do for business that XP doesn't?

"What does WIndows 7 do for business that XP doesn't?"

Maybe you should look at the enhancements list and decide for yourself.

I know what Windows 7 does for me and have preordered it.

www.scriptlogic.com/.../windows-7-migration.asp

It's funny that Script Logic itself arrived at a different conclusions from the same survey:

"...we found that, despite its impact on short-term plans, 41% of organizations plan a wholesale migration to Windows 7 by the end of 2010. This is actually a strong adoption rate when compared to the historical adoption rate of Windows XP in its first year which was cited as 12-14%."

Here's Ina Fried's conclusion: "Although plenty of businesses skipped Windows Vista, a significant number of corporations have no plans to quickly move to Windows 7, according to a new survey. "

I guess the glass is always half empty when it comes to Microsoft.

@robertsjoe

on what basis did you form the opinion that business is not interested in Windows 7.

@shark

As you mentioned the list of enhancements in Windows 7 is pretty impressive. Its an enormous leap in security features alone over XP, not to mention it runs perfectly on older systems. For me its a no brainer and I will be getting it when its released to the public.

The latest from the Windows 7 Team Blog

windowsteamblog.com/.../default.aspx

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"So Mike what announcement made Terminal Services less appealing???"

No idea because what I said would be shown would make the Terminal/Server model less appealing. And the Software + Services hybrid model shown today in Office 2010 including Office Web Applications and multi-user editing certainly do that.

"I guess the glass is always half empty when it comes to Microsoft."

Or 59% empty.

@Mike sorry for the confusion on my part.  The bulk of my users will continue to use Terminal Services/servers and Wyse thin hardware.

@backup77 "Its an enormous leap in security features alone over XP, not to mention it runs perfectly on older systems."

I totally agree with you for home users.  

For corporate users, XP is perfectly secure.  Corporations have put many measures in place to shore up XP security, such as users with limited/no rights to their PC's.  Multiple layers of firewall, proxy, and Antimailware protection between XP and what can harm it.  Locked down PC's and locked down internet access.

I know when we move to Windows 7 these same measures that are in place today will be in place with Windows 7.  Its not like we are going to remove our proxy server that locks down internet access, or remove Antimalware from our clients, proxy server, or email servers.  We are not going to let users be full Admins on their Windows 7 PC's, or remove the firewalls on our network.

I forgot to add proper patching.  What we have in place today (Shavlik NetProtect) that updates our XP machines will also update our Windows 7 PC's when we finally go there.

Ocean: "That you, De, and Mike should stop trolling."  

Why am I trolling again?  Perhaps I misunderstand the meaning of the term "trolling".  Can you please explain what "trolling" is?

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"For corporate users, XP is perfectly secure.  Corporations have put many measures in place to shore up XP security, such as users with limited/no rights to their PC's.  Multiple layers of firewall, proxy, and Antimailware protection between XP and what can harm it.  Locked down PC's and locked down internet access."

Well, I work for a major company, and a few months back it became apparent that it isn't perfectly secure.

Furthermore running as locked down user is much harder to implement on XP, locked down internet access is in place at my corporation as well, but obviously not a protection against malicious websites.

I just joined to get something off my chest and no, I’m not a long time member registering under a different name.

First of this seems like a nice place, especially for professionals (I’m in the IT myself for over 21 years)  to discuss the topics that this site focuses on.

I have a question and hopefully some long time members (but preferable Paul) can answer it.

I have seen quite some forums in my life, related to hobbies, computers, graphic design, Ebay, support, you name it. They basically all had one thing in common: moderation. I’ve also been a moderator myself and have also owned a pretty large forum myself so I think it’s fair of me to say that I do have some idea how to run a forum that keeps everybody happy as much as possible.

Now I know that this is not a forum, but still, even blog comments require moderation, because we’re still dealing with people and we all want to be treated with respect, right?

Please explain to me one thing; why does Paul refuse to moderate this forum or let someone else moderate it?

I’ve watched this forum for months and I keep seeing the same trolls stirring up the place, it even stopped me from registering, to one point that I even removed this site of my favourites list. Now call me crazy, but I even wondered if Paul was behind the trolls (to spice up the forum to get more traffic??), because it didn’t make any sense to me for him to allow this disruptive behaviour.

I’ve seen a few people  that continuously annoy and frustrate others, week after week, month after month, sometimes resulting in the kindest of people showing their darker side out of frustration and just look at the above comments, has anyone any clue how childish some people are behaving?

Seriously, does it really have to be like this? And why has none of you ever discussed this problem with Paul or does he simply not care? Isn’t it just a lot more fun to have some great discussions, even if we don’t always agree?  

However the disruptive behaviour I talk about is of course not about disagreeing with one another, it’s about some people really behaving like a troll and throwing all kind of bait (often off topic) with the one and only purpose to annoy people.

Are we mature enough to solve this issue or is the advice that I should go somewhere where respect for one another IS on the priority list?

jdonner, you're completely and utterly right.  It's a pity the trolling comments here spoil and lower the tone of the comments section.  You can't have a civil conversation about how Windows is progressing and about the article without silly people trying to bring the tone down.

"He's a troll"

"No, YOU'RE a troll"

"Sez you"

"Sez Wikipedia"

"I'm rubber and you're glue..."

"I know you are but what am I?"

"Terminal/Server is dead. Microsoft rules. Wanna see my Windows tattoo?"

"Where's Paul?"

"No idea because what I said would be shown would make the Terminal/Server model less appealing. And the Software + Services hybrid model shown today in Office 2010 including Office Web Applications and multi-user editing certainly do that."

Aren't web applications and multi-user editing all part of Google's suite already?

That said, I prefer Microsoft's Software+Services model to the Software As A Service model that other companies adopt. For example, Paul can go on and on about Outlook being the past, but there are a lot of features in Outlook that I like, when compared to a stark web based client like GMail.

Yes, web based applications are getting better over time, but as Office 2010 has demonstrated, so are desktop apps.

@jddonner, realtestman, lostamystuff.

I, for once, thought if Ocean defined what trolling was and realized that he fell under his own definition, that it would stop.  Even though I sometimes find enjoyment in the off-topic bickering, I also find it second rate compared to the kind of discussions that could be on the site.

I guess in trying to defeat the enemy I became the enemy, as so often happens.  I apologize for aiding in lower the tone of this blog.

Something to truly get excited about

www.engadget.com/.../apples-9-7-inch-netbook-to-debut-in-october-for-800

Time to bring out the ban hammer on robertsjoe and a few others. One of the reasons I sotpped coming to this site for a couple of months was because of these trolls.

Rj, really?  Why?  Whether it is a true Tablet (which the Mac fans have often chided but will get excited if Stevie decides to do it) or a netbook, these have been in the market for a while.  And if it is a netbook, they will have priced themselves very high.  Either way, I don't see anything overly exciting or drool worthy.  And since these claims have been floating around for quite some time, I would wait until it is actually announced, and not just unsubstantiated fanboy rumor.

"why does Paul refuse to moderate this forum or let someone else moderate it?"

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