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Well, I personally think that sometimes Paul, you do go overboard with your anti-Apple attitude but I admit that now Apple is becoming more pathetic.

@Paul - You might want to proof read that post...lots of extra letters that makes it read like something that was hastily put together at the last second.

--tayme

Hopefully Apple has it's feet held to the fire on this, or at least allows a simple way to side load applications onto the iPhone, like Palm has done with the Pre and the PreCentral Homebrew Application Gallery.

--tayme

Unbelievable. Let's break the article he quotes down.

"Apple's iTunes has an estimated 87% market share in music downloads, a beachhead it is using to expand its influence in much the same way you used Windows to expand yours. What has Apple done with its dominance?  It has refused to let other media players sync with iTunes."

Apple created iTunes as a loss leader to sell their hardware. It makes no sense for them to allow other hardware makers to use it for free. Does the Zune allow other hardware makes users to use it's zune marketplace?

"It has tried to strong-arm Hollywood into selling content on terms mostly favorable to Cupertino."

Well, I guess that's true if by that you mean that Apple forced the record labels to drop their prices to 99 cents and ultimately forced them to remove DRM.

"It has tightly controlled the iPhone ecosystem, insisting that its own iTunes app store serve as the only way to broadly distribute software."

...on the iPhone platform they created. Which is what Google and Windows and Rim are tripping all over themselves to copy?

I come here to read about Windows. But Paul insists on ranting about Apple. He's not biased against Apple. He hates them. Fine. It's his forum. But it makes me sad to see how much emotion and how little logic he brings to the table when it comes to anything Apple.

Falkirk, apple did NOT force anyoen to drop DRM.

the truth is that they forced DRM on it's partners. We had no say in the matter when our music went up on i-tunes, we either lived with the DRM, or we went elsewhere.

And when they ditched DRM? We had to re-submit our entire catalogue. Again, no say in the matter.

No, Paul, like many people, is tired of Apple getting a pass all the time. He's tired of how the from the top culture of the Mac has distorted the truth.

That distortion has gone beyond the OS bashing characterizing Apple's ads and appears to have crossed legal lines.

It's so bad that one cannot have a meaningful discussion without being shouted down and Paul is calling for an end to the lies. Apple would do well to listen now, before the matter becomes very serious for them. Paul further suggests that the company can't, because their behaviors are part the very culture he dislikes. A lot of people agree with him in this regard.

Pretty sure Apple cannot lie to the FCC, it's a government organization and they can get in big trouble if they do lie.

I put the blame on AT&T, they specifically said "Yeah we blocked Skype from running on our network" and I have a feeling there the reason the Google Voice app hasnt been accepted yet either.

Oh and did I mention Google is holding there own App store by the balls?  I'm pretty sure some controversial news came out when Google declined several apps.

And yet Paul loved the 'microsoft of old' that bullied i4i over the flagrant swiping of their XML patent to include in Word.  So to recap from thurrott Apple is a bully and their users are jerks.

But somehow Microsoft isn't a bully [even when he praises them when they are and wishes they'd do more often?] and Microsoft's users [specifically himself] are not jerks?  

Please, every winner in every marketplace is a bully and every user of those products can be a jerk about what they paid for with their own money.  Anyone holier than thou that casts aspersions is frankly guilty of intellectual inconsistency.  

That's thurrott, in a nutshell...  and he's getting a little more unhinged.

@FalKirk

No matter WHY Apple created iTunes, the fact of the matter is that 87% is a monopoly. Don't think for one second if Zune had 87% of the market, that it wouldn't be viewed as a monopoly.

Apparently in the EU, 60% of the browser market is enough to prompt action.  If a European company starts doing online music distro or devices and makes a complaint against Apple, do you think Apple will get a pass?

I think it's just clear here that Apple's desire to control every aspect of their products and services stands as the number one hurdle to growth and market share.

I think...in essense, the bigger apple gets, the less special/unique they become. I firmly believe that Apple thinks they can have half of the market share and STILL be loved. It's simply impossible. These recent events prove that.

"Does the Zune allow other hardware makes users to use it's zune marketplace?"

As Mackies like to argue, it doesn't matter, because Zune isn't a monopoly.

Oh, yes, the "tude" comes from the mothership. As conspiracy theories go, that's a good one.

The "tude" comes from the non-critical BS on this blog. This "dedicated to the future of Windows" site is often used for this kind of swill. It's done simply because Paul makes a living from Microsoft's success and sees Apple as an increasing impediment to that success. Lately, he's generalized this hatred to Google, the EU, and anyone who likewise threatens the "software giant".

He's all for antitrust actions against Apple, but regularly pillories the EU for similar, and much better justified actions against Microsoft. Google and Apple are in "collusion", but Microsoft and Yahoo are just doing a routine business deal.

Apple and ATT? Clearly monopolistic and un-American. Microsoft and Nokia? A clever synergy of complementary assets. iPod? Closed, proprietary and evil. Zune? State of the art(!) and a clever device....now to have it's own closed app store. But, that's okay, since it is run by the "software giant".

"Allow me to help. I know exactly what to call Apple. A bully."

Yah, a bully with a 3% marketshare, as he loves to point out incessantly. Last time I looked, it was pretty hard to be a bully when your main competitor holds 90+% of the key market you compete in.

In the end, this faux outrage is not about culture, but money. Two key points:

1. Apple's financial success has taken it's market cap from 10% of Microsoft's to about 70% of that of the "software giant". Apple is a threat to Microsoft in some areas, and that's a direct challenge to Paul's livelihood.

2. Paul makes no bones about his vested interest, "It's time for Microsoft to respond to the challenges it faces with leadership and authority. And if you care about the systems you support now, your jobs, and your very livelihood, you might do demand the same from the company. All of us have backed the same horse."

3. Paul can't be rational about Apple, because "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

@gfryesc1,

Actually, Paul didn't think the US DoJ went far enough at all with Microsoft. He called and still does state, that Microsoft should have been broken up - separating Office from the client division as my memory serves me.  Paul also stated that he reasoned such a breakup would have as good for the company as it was consumers.

Not to agree, or disagree, but Paul has been very clear about this and stating he gives MS a pass is simply not accurate.

@iKetchum

Paul wanted Microsoft to voluntarily break up along product lines as a means to better succeed!  That doesn't mean he's condemning Microsoft's bully behavior, he's just strategizing how Microsoft could better grow by being a smaller/nimble company(s).  That's a pass, sir.    

Go back and listen to week before last's TWIT Windows and you'll hear Paul glowingly delight in Microsoft running roughshod over a patent holder.

"You've all seen the smug emails, blog posts, and comments here on this very blog."

Yes, usually written by Paul himself.

Troll.

"And yet Paul loved the 'microsoft of old' that bullied i4i over the flagrant swiping of their XML patent to include in Word."

Actually, if anything, it's the legal office that offered Microsoft the patent that's to blame.  Microsoft was already awarded a patent.  It wasn't cross-checked against international patents correctly and was allowed to languish until i4i decided the time was right to capitalize on uncollected royalties.

I think the only thing wrong with the patent system is that organizations shouldn't be allowed to collect back-pay on royalties when they feel like it.  They should put a time limit for conflicting patents to collect back-pay on royalties, or if the litigator misses that cutoff, they should only be allowed to collect on present and future licensing royalties at the point in time when they submit a cross-patent litigation.

So buy your music from Amazon, get your apps web-based on the iPhone.

I love how Apple comes out with an iPhone, and everyone bashes it until they try it.

Then Apple says they are going with web-based apps, and everyone bashes them, until they come out with the App Store and it's like manna from heaven.

Now we have one pundit ranting on Apple again, because a few apps were rejected. Geez. Is Apple a monopoly or not? Because one minute Paul thinks Apple has no market share, they aren't relevant or they don't matter. The next minute they employ MSFT-like monopolistic practices.

Seriously. Which is it Paul? You can't be irrelevant and be a so-called monopoly at the same time. You dislike Apple because they usurped MSFT while they were asleep at the mobile wheel then poo-poo them because they are successful. Don't like it? Don't use an iPhone! I have an iPhone and I could care less what they reject. No app is going to save the mobile world.

Paul: Instead of vacationing in France and letting everyone know about it, take a trip to Kenya some day and see how the other 3/4 of the world lives. And shockingly, they are generally happier people. They'd be thrilled just to have running water.

@waethorn

not that I'm getting into a IP/copyright debate but I think Paul's glee was around the fact of those incriminating internal emails that surfaced where Microsoft acknowledged the patent and basically said 'meh, we're going to do what we want'.  That's bully behavior [exactly what Paul is pinning on Apple now as such a crime yet pined for when Microsoft did it last week...  without a blog post, I might add].  

Let's not assign the blame to Microsoft's defense team as justification.   It's all Microsoft.  They're bullies, Apple is a bully, you and I are jerks and Paul's a jerk.  But at least that's consistency.  Paul simply cannot bring himself to be consistent when he talks about apple and their fans as evil when his house is just as glazed as everyone else's.

"Is Apple a monopoly or not? Because one minute Paul thinks Apple has no market share, they aren't relevant or they don't matter. The next minute they employ MSFT-like monopolistic practices.  Seriously. Which is it Paul?"

Again, this isn't complicated for us multi-button mouse-users.

Apple is minority in the computer industry that acts like an ignorant childish bully.

Apple has a monopoly in the MP3 player and online music sales industry and acts like an ignorant childish bully.

What part of that don't you understand?

" "You've all seen the smug emails, blog posts, and comments here on this very blog."

Yes, usually written by Paul himself. "

And if true, why shouldn't he?  Like clockwork, you guys keep coming back over and over again anyway.  I've never seen people like you...people who hate Windows and hate people like Paul so much, yet they keep coming to support Paul's Windows blog.  It's incredible.

@BladRnr - "You can't be irrelevant and be a so-called monopoly at the same time."

Two separate markets...Personal computers and Portable, digital music players.

--tayme

"I think Paul's glee was around the fact of those incriminating internal emails that surfaced where Microsoft acknowledged the patent and basically said 'meh, we're going to do what we want'."

When they were awarded the patent, they were allowed to persue their interests.  If i4i had stepped up and monitored their patent registrations, they would've been able to stop Microsoft at the gate.  If i4i had stopped Microsoft from registering their patent, Microsoft would be in trouble now.  Instead, they were allowed to register it, and now they're fighting the system.  Their resolve really has nothing to do with i4i directly, except that the patent office screwed up in i4i's favour, but payback has to come out of Microsoft's pocket.  If Microsoft weren't allowed to register their patents, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

This is the problem with the patent system.  It's just like when domain squatters sit on known, registered trademarks.

@SandmanX82

I just drop by for xbox reviews of FPSs.  I load up the site in RSS, I don't really see the Microsoft ads he runs, per se.  

really, you've never seen the behavior on this forum anywhere else??  must be your first day on the internet...  and they probably don't talk religion or politics wherever it is you're from.

That's not courtesy of Fortune -- that's a blogger blogging for Fortune.  And it's hosted by CNN.

Wake me up when it actually appears in the magazine.

98% of it's readership doesn't even know about this blog post.

Awaiting a retraction.

@Waethorn

I guess in that scenic route you like, you're agreeing that Microsoft isn't above the law.  Like or hate the patent or the ruling, Microsoft willfully and knowingly trounced it.  But it was bully behavior that Paul applauded last week.  This week, he's outraged at bully behavior [on a far less serious scale, I might add].  It's Paul's double standard that bugs me.  

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@gfryesc1

"really, you've never seen the behavior on this forum anywhere else??  must be your first day on the internet..."

Nope, not to the extent that I see it from Mac users.  Even though there are roughly 30x more PC users in the world, I see probably 30x more Mac users doing this kind of stuff.

"and they probably don't talk religion or politics wherever it is you're from."

The thing is...that's religion and politics!  NOT computers.  Yet reading the replies by some people here would lead you to believe the old stereotype that Mac users treat Apple as though it were a religion.  I can't even begin to imagine the incredibly sad lives some people on here must lead.

"Like or hate the patent or the ruling, Microsoft willfully and knowingly trounced it."

Is it bully behaviour when it's the patent office they're fighting (they aren't suing i4i)?

I'd wonder though: because this is a US governmental institution that's going after them, you're calling them a bully, but if they won the appeal, and then the EU went after them for the same thing, I'd bet you'd be taking Microsoft's stance, not the EU.

@sandmanx82

I'd say mac users and microsoft users run about neck and neck in vitriol out on Paul's site...  I'm sure his vitriol pushes it over the edge.  Let's not be incredulous about who's a saint and who's a sinner.

computers can be even more dire than religion and politics when it's your livelihood...  like Microsoft has been Paul's for 12 yrs.  He's as protective over windows as if he coded it himself.  He's every bit as religious as any mac user is over apple.  They're cut from the same cloth.

That's not courtesy of Fortune -- that's a blogger blogging for Fortune.  And it's hosted by CNN.

Wake me up when it actually appears in the magazine.

98% of it's readership doesn't even know about this blog post.

Awaiting a retraction.

...and Micro$haft does not lie? They have been fined by courts here in the US and abroad for what?  M$ has paid out in fines --relative to its years in existence-- more than ExxonMobil, GE, GM, Ford {Pinto} and Chrysler combined!  A cursory look to any legal encyclopedia will reveal this blatant fact. Only the tobacco companies have paid out more.

This is but one of many reasons MSFT share price consistently underperforms their industry.

"What part of that don't you understand?"

The part where Paul, in his efforts to shill for one company, engages in all sorts of provocative, insulting, broad-brush generalizations of customers of the competition, then plays the surprised martyr when somebody calls him out on it.

Any business that has the opportunity to make more money from actions that are morally deprived will, that's how business work.

Will I stop shopping at Walmart because they pay their employees low wages.  No.  Will I not use MS products because they violated patents.  No.  Will I shy away from Apple products because Apple is a "childish bully" (as one commentor here puts it)?  No.  Will you?  Most likely not.

Another question: is it wrong of me to use Apple or MS products because those companies broke laws?  I don't think so.

@BladRnr "I love how Apple comes out with an iPhone, and everyone bashes it until they try it."

Or try it and don't like it, as I have.  Some parts of it are really nice, the lack of flexibility in some areas (particularly email) were frustrating.  Haven't tried v3 software, so that may have improved.

That said, I'm glad Apple made the iPhone, but they need to realise that they cannot operate in their 'usual manner' when they have a dominant % of the market (portable music player market of course).  Whether it's malicious or incompetence, if they don't change some of their practices, they could be facing problems with regulators.  That would be bad for the industry as it would take the focus away from the good (just like all the MS legal issues have taken the focus away from the good MS are doing).

@gfryesc1

I wasn't talking about this site specifically.  I just mean that when I visit Apple-specific sites, there aren't nearly as many Windows fanboys as there are when I visit Windows-specific sites and see the Apple fanboys.

"computers can be even more dire than religion and politics when it's your livelihood..."

Please, let's take it back a little.  Paul isn't the CEO of Microsoft.  He writes a book on Windows.  How many billions of people in the world use Windows?  And how many of those visit this site?  Don't act like his career is going to go down in shambles unless he alters his tone to sell his book.

Call him a fanboy all you want.  What does he care?  The same tools keep coming and giving him page visits day after day to spread "the truth" to all those out there that use Windows...

"[Paul] plays the surprised martyr when somebody calls him out on it."

You call him out on it?  Seriously?

He's responding to a blog on Fortune's website.  The Fortune blogger plays the ignorant follower of Apple's mantra and Paul tells him to wake up to the realization that Apple isn't the innocent, downtrodden underdog that they make themselves out to be, and you criticize him for that?

You're delusional.

@Sandman

Paul makes his living specifically from access to internal Microsoft employees in many different divisions.  That means early access to code, plans, developers, support, etc.  When you get into bed with the 800 lb gorilla, you can't upset him, lest he rolls over.  That means thurrott's a kept and compromised source.  what is it LBJ used to say "they've got his pecker in their pocket"?  I didn't call him a fanboy, it's a purely financial arrangement.  

Personally I like apple and microsoft alike.  i like both their cultures because both are winners.  I use both products and I have no financial incentive to either keep or give criticism of either one.  Paul cannot say that, and it shows.

@Waethorn:

"You've all seen the smug emails, blog posts, and comments here on this very blog. These guys are just jerks. And they get that 'tude right from the mothership."

Missed that part?

"Paul makes his living specifically from access to internal Microsoft employees in many different divisions.  That means early access to code, plans, developers, support, etc.  When you get into bed with the 800 lb gorilla, you can't upset him, lest he rolls over.  That means thurrott's a kept and compromised source. "

Exactly.

Like Rob Enderle, he'll now say anything for money. He's better at it than Rob is, because he's a lot smarter, but his objectivity ends where his wallet starts. How do you guys think those vacations in France are financed?

The funny thing is that this is exactly what he accuses Pogue, Mossberg and others of doing for Apple, while Paul does it routinely for Microsoft. I think he's just p!ssed to have a much smaller audience.

The question that needs answering is "Did Apple do anything illegal?"  While iPhone users (and Google) may not like it, Apple may not have done anything actually illegal.  There is lots of competition in the smart phone market, Google among them.  Apple retains the right to control the iPhone experience, to what ever competitive benefit it may gain them.  This idea (as Microsoft well knows) has been tested in court here in the US and has been upheld time and time again.  

The "Innovators Dilemma" - where the inventor slowly looses his market share as competitors knock off his ideas and improve upon them is ancient history.   Today, companies are allowed to copyright, trademark, and patent everything under the sun, and they craft complex license agreements to give them complete control over anything they want.  Our politicians made sure of it, if you don't like it, then I guess you can move to Europe.

Wow, Paul. Still an angry, bitter guy I see. Still willing to use unsubstantiated slanders,  gross generalization and ad hominem attacks in place of actual critical thinking or useful discourse.

Please, simply link to the smoking gun that proves a "lie" and that'll make your smear legitimate. The fact that you very VERY rarely if ever use that word for Microsoft yet spew it thoughtlessly for Apple speaks volumes.

"These guys are just jerks" Indeed, sir. And with this post, you remind the world that Microsoft fanatics can be just as bitter and mean.

You're too old for this. You have kids, don't act like one.

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That's not courtesy of Fortune -- that's a blogger blogging for Fortune.  And it's hosted by CNN.

Wake me up when it actually appears in the magazine.

98% of it's readership doesn't even know about this blog post.

Awaiting a retraction.

Oops. I take that back. Perhaps it is lies. hmmm....

@ BladRnr:

"Paul: Instead of vacationing in France and letting everyone know about it, take a trip to Kenya some day and see how the other 3/4 of the world lives. And shockingly, they are generally happier people. They'd be thrilled just to have running water."

I agree one hundred percent with this. Poor us with our First World "problems".

I think I've got two problems here:

Firstly, the article quoted is only one opinion on what Apple are doing with iTunes and a great many facts could be interpreted in a very different way. You may notice, for example, that there ARE ways for software and hardware makers to work with iTunes. Yes, the iPhone / iPod Touch platform insists on going through Apple's own store which limits choice. But at the same time it's suddenly made Smartphone platforms accessible to the general public and everyone is rushing to copy them. Is it an ideal situation? Nope, choice would be good, but at the same time there IS a valid, end-user reason for Apple going the way they did.Actually, there's several not least of which is massively reducing the risk of this suddenly very popular mobile platform which, let's not forget, is still very new to the market being targeted by malicious software. The google voice thing, well, I'd personaly want to wait for all the facts to be established before making my mind up (it doesn't look great mind) but I can see why those with a vested interest don't want to do that.

Secondly, just because I use a Mac I'm apparently a Jerk? Leaving aside the fact that the many Windows fans on the web are just as bad (the internet, destroying rational argument for over a decade!) I'm like many many other mac users in that I am, first and foremost, a geek. I tried OS X because I was fed up of Windows and had no need for it in my personal life and, if I didn't like OS X, I'd still end up with the best laptop in the world for my needs at the time that could happily boot XP if necessary. I work with Windows, Linux and OS X on a regular basis. I support Symbian, Windows Mobile and Andriod phones as well as iPhone devices. In short, I don't give a damn what the OS is or who provides the hardware so long as a) it works, b) it lets me do what I want in a way that doesn't require headbutting the wall and c) ideally it does this in a way that makes it an enjoyable experience. OS X does that for me in my personal life which is why I use it. This hardly qualifies me for jerkhood in my opinion but I guess Paul may think differently.

@gfryesc1 and chuckb84

"That means early access to code, plans, developers, support, etc.  When you get into bed with the 800 lb gorilla, you can't upset him, lest he rolls over."

"Exactly.

Like Rob Enderle, he'll now say anything for money."

Obviously you've never listened to his podcast, because your argument wouldn't stand up.

Wow. You Mac elites are so simple minded its hilarious. Apple has you guys by the balls! Keep taking bullets for them!

Yet the question still remains (which will never be answered): Why on earth do you Apple switchers make such a huge deal about switching and never looking back, only to go home and log onto a site about Windows!? LOL

I'm just going to assume you can't actually do anything else on the mac, which is probably true.

Pathetic, but funny.

They may in fact be lying but at least they are not getting billions in tarp money, derailing healthcare reform or torturing people. So all and all, who cares weather Apple tells the truth about Google Voice.

"I've never seen people like you...people who hate Windows and hate people like Paul so much, yet they keep coming to support Paul's Windows blog."

Give me a break. I don't "hate" Windows. If I "hated" Windows, I wouldn't own two PCs that use Windows, and I wouldn't have bought two additional netbooks for my kids. I don't PREFER Windows, but life's to short to hate something as mundane as an Operating System.

And I certainly don't hate Paul Thurrott. I keep coming back to Paul's blog and this site because it's the most comprehensive source of information about Windows on the 'net. Period. Paul's taking a lot of heat for this post (and rightly so, IMHO), because he really is a smarmy little git. His skin is as about as thin as filo dough, and he has a mean streak that comes out in some really weird ways...he's incredibly quick to devolve to name-calling when it suits his purposes, and he has a Windows-centric view that often blinds him to a little thing I like to call "reality". I sometimes despise his attitude, I sometimes bristle at his often incorrect rash generalizations, and I absolutely dislike the way he often flip-flops like a freshly-caught trout on the deck of a boat, but I certainly don't "hate" the man. That's just ridiculous.

Having said that, he's also entertaining as hell, knows more about Windows than most so-called tech analysts, and for the most part, is pretty fair. The one glaring exception is when it comes to Steve Jobs personally. In that arena, the comparisons to Enderle are absolutely correct. Thurrott and Enderle both seem to have a personal hatred for Steve Jobs that defies logic.

So yeah, I keep coming back to this site, and to this blog. Paul's a smart guy, and a good read. Do I always agree with his viewpoint? Hell, no. But let's face it...he's built an amazing site, has a remarkable following, and is clearly doing pretty damn well for himself. He must be doing something right. That alone makes it worth visiting here, even if it means putting up with the "Waethorns" of the world, and the zealot evangelists like "MikeGalos".

You know what I'd really like to see? I'd like to see Paul take his substantial knowledge of multiple platforms and pull a David Pogue...start writing books about Apple products. Expand this site to go beyond Windows. No, he'd never have the kind of insider access to Apple that he enjoys at Microsoft, but they're not going to kick him off the Redmond campus either. Maybe we'd see a kinder, gentler Thurrott that no one would dare compare to the likes of that greaseball Rob Enderle.

"computers can be even more dire than religion and politics when it's your livelihood...  like Microsoft has been Paul's for 12 yrs."

Something I forgot to ask when you said that....how does this apply to all the people on these forums who's livelihood doesn't depend on these companies, like most all the people on here?  What is ChuckB84 getting out of his visiting to let us all know about the awesomeness of Apple when most people are obviously at a Windows site because they prefer Windows?

@Waethorn: "Again, this isn't complicated for us multi-button mouse-users."

As you so often spew: WRONG!!!!!!! <---notice how, in homage to your Canadian education, I used multiple exclamation points. FIgured you'd like that.

From Apple's website: "It wouldn’t be fair to call Mighty Mouse a two-button mouse with one button. Especially when it responds to pressure from your fingers in four different places. Besides the left- and right-click functions, the Scroll Ball clicks down to act as a third mouse button. And force-sensing buttons on either side of Mighty Mouse respond when you press in with your finger and thumb. Perfect for Mac OS X users, the side buttons are pre-programmed to activate Exposé, so you can view all your windows with a squeeze. Of course, you can also customize Mighty Mouse to open whatever you choose — Spotlight, Dashboard or any application when you have Mac OS X v10.4.6 or later."

Additionally, "WaeWrong", there are any number of multi-button third-party mouse products that work quite well on the Mac. In fact, one of my favorites is made by Microsoft. So aside from the one on the top of your head, what was your point again?

@lotsa

"Give me a break. I don't "hate" Windows. If I "hated" Windows, I wouldn't own two PCs that use Windows"

I don't believe I ever called you out by name, did I?

And you don't have to quibble about semantics.  Replace "hate" with "dislike" or "don't prefer" or "disagree" or whatever you want.  It's not hard to see what I'm getting at.

There are people here who bash Windows because they find the reactions funny (ie. Robertsjoe, who admitted to it).  Then there are people like ChuckB and others who genuinely seem to make it their life mission to spread the gospel of Apple to all non-believers.  You know what, you fit that description a lot of the time as well...

Tell me, how many lives are you guys "saving" by spending your time preaching this to such a "small audience" (as said by ChuckB).  Is the time really worth it to you?  What do you guys expect when you come to a site called supersite for WINDOWS.  Man, you all need to get over yourselves.

"I don't believe I ever called you out by name, did I?"

You quoted part of my post and then said you've "never seen people like" me. I think you were pretty clear, dude.

Good post Paul. I have been trying to get my friends to realize this for the past year or so.

Paul how about posting the whole Apple statement, especially this part....

"There is a provision in Apple’s agreement with AT&T that obligates Apple not to include functionality in any Apple phone that enables a customer to use AT&T’s cellular network service to originate or terminate a VoIP session without obtaining AT&T’s permission. Apple honors this obligation, in addition to respecting AT&T’s customer Terms of Service, which, for example, prohibit an AT&T customer from using AT&T’s cellular service to redirect a TV signal to an iPhone. From time to time, AT&T has expressed concerns regarding network efficiency and potential network congestion associated with certain applications, and Apple takes such concerns into consideration"

@tayme lots of errors because I can just see him typing as fast as he can, while foaming at the mouth.

"If I "hated" Windows, I wouldn't own two PCs that use Windows, and I wouldn't have bought two additional netbooks for my kids."

RIIIIIGHT....  Because ol' Grampa Jobs won't let you buy a cheap computer, after all.

"notice how, in homage to your Canadian education, I used multiple exclamation points"

I should point out that your grammar and punctuation is atrocious, but everybody knows you're [sic!].

I'm happy using Windows. Apple does make great products, both in terms of software and hardware, but their bullying -- and Apple fanatics' "Apple's holier than thou" mentality is a huge turn off.

There are Microsoft fanboys, but Apple's version is much, much worst.

That's not courtesy of Fortune -- that's a blogger blogging for Fortune.  And it's hosted by CNN.

Wake me up when it actually appears in the magazine.

98% of it's readership doesn't even know about this blog post.

Awaiting a retraction.

Amusingly sad post. Apple is a bully? This from a convicted monopolist? That lied and stole from other smaller companies? Now /that's/ a bully!

Microsoft isn't called Evil for no reason. That's because they are.

I love it when Microtards cry foul. They know that they don't capture the imagination of the people. People love Apple and their products, and that's something Microsoft can't get.

Microsoft, Windows and the rest are boring corporate products. No one gets excited about these things.

Microsoft has lost the race to get the interest and mind share of people in this world that make a difference. People that matter. People that have taste. People that are innovators.

It's not always about market share. You can rule a market, but with a bad and inferior product. A la Microsoft.  

They have lost that to Apple and Google and it kills Microsoft. It kills the drones that buy in to their boring, unimaginative and "me too, copier" mentality that is Microsoft's culture.

Are you saying that Microsoft are liars and thieves?

"that's a blogger blogging for Fortune"

And we know how much we can trust a blogger. Zero!

This is so funny. It's sad that the comments thread has been forcibly taken over by Oceanjoe, though.

Hey Paul, you should flat out stop NOW with the Mac OS X reviews.  Some changes you should make....or maybe your just a liar?

1. "In previous versions of Mac OS X, Exposé was very much a power user feature, and you could really only use it effectively via the keyboard, an oddity in the mouse-focused OS X interface."  

UM wrong.  It has been my third mouse button/scroll wheel button for a long time.  I never use the keyboard with Expose and I use Expose everyday.  To me Aero Peek is nothing but a copy of Expose.  Yes Expose is now enhanced to also focus on a particular app, like Windows 7.

2.  "You can now instantly preview the contents of many document types right in the icon for those documents in the Finder."  

Wrong again.  This was a Leopard feature.  Right hand on mouse looking around in a folder full of say photos and you click with the mouse and thumb the space bar to see if that photo with a cryptic name is the one you wanted.  Or better yet why take 30-60 seconds to load Word 2008 only to see that the cryptic named word doc is the wrong one, just preview it....ON LEOPARD.

3.  "but none of them can do automatic configuration, so you'll need a slew of server information, which isn't the case in, say, Outlook on Windows"  

Wrong again.  This one not only shows your complete ignorance of OS X but your hatred of Exchange as well.  From Apples web site...

www.apple.com/.../exchange

"""""Setup that makes sense.

The best way to set up Mail, iCal, and Address Book to access your Exchange account is with the Exchange Autodiscovery feature. If this feature is enabled by your IT department, you just open the Accounts pane in Mail, enter your Exchange user name and password, and check the box to automatically set up your other applications. Mail will use Autodiscovery to grab all the pertinent information from the server and configure your settings, so you can start using your applications right away. Mac OS X also supports manual configuration of your Exchange server settings and remote setup and access of Exchange through most VPN connections.""""""

Exchange 2007 introduced support for SAN certificates, Subject Alternative Name certificates, or some times called UCC certs.  When creating these SAN certificates you always include "autodiscover.yourcompany.com".  This is so Outlook Anywhere and Windows Mobile 6.0 or higher can be simply configured for Exchange.  Apple purchased the rights to this, and put in in the iPhone and now Snow Leopard.

Note to self, NEVER come to the Winsupersite for Exchange information.

Further more in environment using Snow Leopard Server and Open Directory can be pushed down to the SL clients in Open Directory, just like a GPO in AD.

So Paul did you just miss these facts that cover three main points of your article or are you a liar?

Ahh Microsoft. Just when you think they couldn't be any dumber, they prove you wrong.

news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10317763-56.html

This is really funny.

sharein.com/.../57142-youtube-microsofts-new-smart-phone

I don't use any Apple products right now and frankly don't intend to. I do own AAPL shares however, thank you very much and I don't care if Apple is a bunch of jerks. They make money, lots of it, and their stock has made me a nice bit of change, both long term and short term. As a public company, that's all that matters. Maybe if MSFT would act that way more often their shares would stop trading like bonds. Of course I don't own MSFT anymore, sold it years ago, when they were still jerks. And the stock was  a amazing for years.

@robertsjoe

the only dumb thing they did was apologize.

Wow, bravo to Jon Fortt for this article. It took guts to finally show that there isn't really much of a difference between Microsoft and Apple. But the amount of BS that Microsoft takes even from this forum is laughable at best.

Just look at the faux outrage from so many on here. chuckb84, rrode84, johnpapola, robertsjoe, and the rest. So Paul think's Apple is more deceitful than Microsoft. So all of a sudden, regardless of his many criticism of Microsoft, he's a shill because he disagree with your personal opinions that Apple's the best electronics maker of all time. It seems like to you guys and gals, Apple can hardly do no wrong. Yet under 3 separate Federal investigations in to Apple's actions, you guys stick to Apple like rabid fans.

My question is why? Because a version of Windows you owned in the past crashed one time too many times? Because Microsoft allegedly "stole" elements from Apple, even though a U.S. court ruled that they didn't for the most part? Because "Microsoft has no taste?" Honestly, those styles of criticisms absolutely have no merit in 2009. Its a completely different world and not your mom and pop's PC industry.

Instead of doing what most normal people would do, which would be to not give Paul any credibility and move on to another website. Most folks would boycott the Supersite for Windows, WindowsITPro, and TWIT, to really do damage to where it hurts. Yet these false outragers persist to stay on this site, one with an obvious Windows focus trying to convince people that he's wrong. No matter how critical Paul Thurrott is against Microsoft, he's still wrong because he "makes a living" off of Microsoft. Yet, hundred's of thousands of journalists use Apple products. Does owing a product compromise your objectivity? My question to you guys is this?

How can you disprove an opinion?

You can't. NO matter how hard you try. Its Paul's opinion. Its author Jon Fortt's opinion. For many consumers who still may like Apple products and look favorably upon the company, they still may not like the tactics and proprietary nature of Apple, Inc.

I may love my iPod, but still extremely dislike the fact that I can't buy a Sansa, Zune, or a Samsung Instinct and directly sync with iTunes. I might love the seamlessness of OS-X, but extremely dislike that many Internet services still do not work with iTunes.

It's called separating personal opinion from professional criticism. Paul's a critic, just like anyone who write technology.

I may not always agree with that opinion, but he does have the right to speak his mind. He does have the right to praise the Macbook but criticise the company. It doesn't compromise his integrity if he's highly critical of Apple, rip the Xbox 360, and still own products from both. Now where Paul's factually incorrect, its open season on criticism. However, perhaps I should hold many of the outrager's suspect because they own an iMac or an iPhone? We can flip the script on you guys just as quick.

@Ocean: Wrong.  It comes from Jon Fortt, Fortune, and CNN.com.  Jon Fortt works for Fortune who, in turn, added their lable to his blog, and CNN hosts it.

If I bought a shirt from Levi at my local Department store would you say that the shirt comes from niether Levi nor the the textile plant where it was produced?  I don't think so.

Additionally, what does it matter if 98% of the readership reads the article?  That has no bearing whatsoever on the article coming from Fortune.

Awaiting a retraction.

@Subzero: "How can you disprove an opinion?

You can't"

What if the opinion is founded on false evidence?  That renders the opinion false also.  No?

De -- it's their blogger.  Not their editorial opinion.

Theres a difference.

Well said Paul, Well said.

Paul,

Dead-on accurate. And the posts today ironically demonstrate that culture of arrogant ignorance and willful disregard for the truth so well it's as though they were written to prove the point.

The worst thing about this post is how hypocritical it is. Pathetic.

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The introduction of Snow Leopard seems to have Paul very rattled.  It must be very good.   Can't wait till Friday.

Funny points about Apple though.  I heard him commenting on Windows Weekly that Microsoft was 'bending over backwards' to please critics.  Interesting how the courts in the US and EU have a very different view.

Microsoft in web photo racism row :- Software giant Microsoft has apologised for editing a photo to change a black man's head to that of a white man

Looking forward to Paul's posting about the above story. O how we will all laugh at the way he pokes fun at Microsoft.

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Apple - a triumph of form over function

Ooooh, the Microsoft shills are picking on Apple again. Let's change the topic. Let's talk about Microsoft Bob.

@chuck, oceansjoe, et al.:

If you don't like what Paul has to say, don't read his articles. Simple!

@Ocean: "De -- it's their blogger.  Not their editorial opinion.

Theres a difference."

Nonetheless, it comes from Fortune.  When my the New York Times has an opinion piece in their paper, it still comes from the New York Times.  Am I wrong?  And if so, why?

Speaking of "culture of arrogant ignorance and willful disregard for the truth"...

www.techcrunch.com/.../marketing-decapitation-in-poland-asians-ok-blacks-maybe-not

I am in agreement with the majority sentiment here.  If you disagree with Paul, please refrain from saying so.  Or better yet, refrain from reading the disagreeable post in the first place.

I think we can all agree that this blog would be a better place if comments were limited to high fives and LOLs.

>>Am I wrong?  And if so, why?<<

Because Fortune is a business magazine, and the business magazine itself did not commission a story on Apple.

A blogger woke up the other day and decided to write something -- independant of the magazines editorial board.

"I think we can all agree that this blog would be a better place if comments were limited to high fives and LOLs."

Yes, there's nothing like a good monoculture, be it in computing, politics or any form of discourse. Death to dissent! We are all one! Imagine..."a garden of pure ideology, where each worker may bloom secure from the pests purveying contradictory thoughts. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on Earth! We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death. And we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!”

@ robertsgay: Shut up C*o*c*k sucker...

@EricoF3

Yeah, you just showed him who the grownup is...

"Because Fortune is a business magazine, and the business magazine itself did not commission a story on Apple."

Fortune is much more than a business magazine.  They have a website, with articles.  They also employ people to have blogs about various things.

"A blogger woke up the other day and decided to write something -- independant of the magazines editorial board."

So.  That doesn't mean that it doesn't come from Fortune.  Fortune attached their name to his blog.

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