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Good to see this type of functionality being exposed for free, but does this mean you can't use Exchange AND Gmail at the same time? (Read: the big red 'Important!' banner on the Google Sync web page...) Could you before (I don't use Gmail directly or Exchange.)

And as for looking the fool... ad-supported apps on a premium music player, anyone?

AlasdairM,

"And as for looking the fool... ad-supported apps on a premium music player, anyone?"

You are correct. That statement makes you a fool.

Interesting article.  Is there a hole in his analysis?

"Apple is perhaps the most influential company in the personal computer and CE market. And this is driving its competitors crazy.

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One of the more startling announcements made at Apple's recent iPod launch event was that Apple has the credit card information on over 100 million users.

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That makes it easy for the company to create devices that take full advantage of the content it offers and manages. This reinforces Apple's unique position, and is frustrating its competitors to no end.

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And put yourself in the place of a content or app developer. You would have to be insane not to back Apple; it can deliver over 100 million prospective digital customers to you. So Apple will continue to attract digital content providers and app developers..."

www.pcmag.com/.../0,2817,2353010,00.asp

"One of the more startling announcements made at Apple's recent iPod launch event was that Apple has the credit card information on over 100 million users."

And Apple is a big Google partner, and Google has software on the iPhone.

(Read Section 11 of Google's Terms of Use)

Wow. I love visiting a website and getting insulted in the first sentence.

A bit harsh, Paul.

Rick

RMansfield@mac.com

"You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."

What's your point again?

"if there's anyone actually paying for MobileMe a year from now, well, you already looked like a fool"

Once again, Paul finds it necessary to insult users of Apple's products, then wonders why he gets pushback from them.

MobileMe is now dead.

Who would pay for the ability to wipe your phone if it's lost or locate it if it's stolen?

"What's your point again?"

Clearly you need some reading lessons:

"11.1....By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.

11.2 You agree that this licence includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services....

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media"

In lawyer speak, Google can take your information, turn it into an ad, make money off it, sell it to their partners and associates, in which they include ANYBODY purchasing ad space from the Google ad network (including the companies that buy ad space to link to malicious websites, trojans, and other nasty stuff)....

Now remember that Google has a service under their umbrella that also makes that extremely scary - Google Checkout, which handles your credit card transactions.

And by using Google, you agree to those terms.

How do you like dem apples?

The sync services have been, and continue to be, worth much more than what MobileMe costs.

If there is a service with half the features that works as well, I'd like to know about it.

Last time I asked nobody answered.

"Once again, Paul finds it necessary to insult users of Apple's products, then wonders why he gets pushback from them."

I do recall a certain someone calling a user of Windows Server products a "dipsh_t admin".  And you wonder why you get pushback?

Wae,

This Google user doesn't care.  Got anything else?

You are such a tool Thurrott.   Instead of just announcing this new feature you announce it and jab at Apple and its users?

I am sorry but for a Mac user Mobileme is still better.  Google's offerings have one great thing going for them.  Price.  Step outside of that they are just slightly better than Microsoft offerings for the consumer.  They are better than Microsoft because there is way less confusion of apps.

Just take Gmail, its fast, but ugly and you can only use that stupid conversation thread view in webmail (as far as I know).  Its got adds all over the place, they read all of your email so they can target ads to you.  If you want to delete something for ever you have to delete it multiple times because of the All Mail folder or should I say "label".  It reeks havoc with mail clients if you want to use IMAP because of that "All Mail" folder.  However its free.

Mobileme for a Mac/iPhone user is Exchange like email, calendar, contacts.  Its syncs your book marks, it provides cloud space for storage that syncs with your Mac and iPhone.   A place to publish an iWeb site, photos, and movies.  For large files you want to share with friends, its a FTP server via a link in an email that can have a password and time limit.  For iPhone users it helps you find your phone, or lock it out if you lost it.  It integrates with iLife and iWork applications.  Most of these options work with MobileMe on a PC as well.  NONE of its ad based.  I upgrade my family pack for $69 via Amazon over the summer.

Google can do most of this, but not all.  The integration is not even close, and the privacy and annoyance is 100X worse on Google products.  I will pay the price to have better privacy, no-ads and better integration.

If (Huge IF) Microsoft offered the same thing it would sell well I imagine.  However its such a mess on the Microsoft side and they continue to keep that way....mesh vs sky drive is a perfect example.  The new Office Web apps are going to use Sky Drive, which cant sync with anything.  Why?  Where am I going to get my mobile apps, on my WinMo phone or Zune HD?  Messy and confusing.  

Gmail just gets better and better!

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>>You are such a tool Thurrott.   <<

I'm sure we could find some common ground here...

>>Just take Gmail, its fast, but ugly<<

...but not here.

" if there's anyone actually paying for MobileMe a year from now, well, you already looked like a fool, so what's the difference?"

You just don't know when to stop, do you Paul?

what if you are already using ActiveSync? You can only have one EAS account configured at a time.

"what if you are already using ActiveSync? You can only have one EAS account configured at a time."

You are out of luck.  I don't know of any phone that allows multiple Exchange accounts.  

There was a notice about battery times being less now, which is another problem with Active Sync push on any phone.  The google IMAP is the way to go on the iphone if you have Exchange as well.

@rr0de74

"I don't know of any phone that allows multiple Exchange accounts."

I was reading other sites where this announcement was made, and a lot of people were saying that the iPhone is one of the only phones with exchange support that didn't allow multiple accounts.  Apparently the Pre and Win Mo allow mutliple accounts.

No big deal here...

@Sandman, on my WinMo 6.1 phone if I go to Active Sync>>>>>Menu>>>>>Configure Server I see my current Exchange Server.  

I can only wipe that out and put a new one in.  I cant add another.  I could be wrong, there may be a way, but I dont see it.

"And by using Google, you agree to those terms."

"Waethorn", only YOU could interpret "copyrighted content" to mean "credit card information". Take your tinfoil hat off, please.

"I do recall a certain someone calling a user of Windows Server products a "dipsh_t admin".  And you wonder why you get pushback?"

That was directed towards a specific individual, and I apologized. Paul never will.

There's no news here, gmail has long been push with imap [which I'll take over activesync any day].  Moreover Paul has changed  his tune, when activesync was announced by google for contacts/calendars Paul lamented how this hurts Microsoft and how they shouldn't allow it... which of course is a big FU to google's customers.

the needless shot at mobileme illustrates what Paul is all about,  the notorious jerk: snarky, witless, and a transparent shill.  

I guess the Palm Pre does.  I have never used one so I cant say for sure.

jkontherun.com/.../palm-pre-supports-multiple-exchange-accounts

Useless: I already am using Exchange Seriver on my work email account...iPhone reports I can't add another one.

gfryesc1  said: "the needless shot at mobileme illustrates what Paul is all about,  the notorious jerk: snarky, witless, and a transparent shill."

He he he!!! Relax man... Their is no need to talk about Paul like this... You can have your opinion but you can be courteous about others...

I really, really wish Microsoft would make this type of sync available for it's Live products.  I have a blackberry and there is no way to sync my live calendar with my phone (unless I use exchange which I do not have).  For that reason I use Google Sync.  I am hoping that will be available in the future...

"You can have your opinion but you can be courteous about others..."

I wonder if Paul is reading this.

@LandonAB

Actually, I wrote on how to sync your WinLive Calendar to any mobile phone that supports Microsoft Exchange.

nysicsclubhouse.wordpress.com/.../sync-windows-live-calendar-with-windows-mobile-iphone-etc

@ lotsa:

"I wonder if Paul is reading this."

Judging by a lot of Paul's recent posts here an on the WinInfo site, I seriously doubt it.

@EricoF3

"gfryesc1  said: "the needless shot at mobileme illustrates what Paul is all about,  the notorious jerk: snarky, witless, and a transparent shill."

He he he!!! Relax man... Their is no need to talk about Paul like this... You can have your opinion but you can be courteous about others..."

Sorry, but "notorious jerk, snarky, witless and transparent shill" is an excellent summary of Paul, at least on this blog. Opening a post with a gratuitous slap at Apple users---for no discernible reason---fits the above description perfectly.

Paul does a great job lowering the level of discussion in this hovel with comments like that.

You Apple people week after week just astound me with your crazy comments.

Don't you people have lives?

Don't you people have better websites to hit instead of Paul's?  You people come here and whine and now call Paul names. Go somewhere else if you don't like it. Look at the name of the website.

Grow up.

"This is big stuff, and if there's anyone actually paying for MobileMe a year from now, well, you already looked like a fool, so what's the difference?"

The stench of desperation coming from this blog is palpable.  The SuperSite for Windows is really becoming a vendetta, hatred directed at Apple.

Delmont, seriously if you don't like our comments go somewhere else.

Grow up will you?

LandonAB

"I really, really wish Microsoft would make this type of sync available for it's Live products."

Actually, Microsoft has had this for several years - first with MSN Mobile and later with Windows Live for Windows Mobile. "As Items Arrive" push email for Windows Mobile has been a feature of that product for years now.

It's Google and Apple that have been playing catch-up on this one.

rr0de

If you want some respect for your comments, pehaps adding some value to the discussion with actual facts might be a good way to start.

"Paul does a great job lowering the level of discussion in this hovel with comments like that."

Haha. That's funny. It's like blaming Barack Obama for Glenn Beck's idiocy.

rr0de,

Did you honestly reply in that manner to me? You do realize you just proved my point. Which is your style of: like my product or your a moron.

Ok...hmmm....how about I spend all day on Pro-Apple blogs, sit there and blast away at Apple products and thrash the blogger.

Or, I can be productive and read sites of actual interest and leave comments of value on those sites.

Or I could like some children here and continue to waste time and provide no value.

Now tell the truth, how old are you and what is your job title?

@ Andreas J

Thanks for the link.  I will chec that out!

@ mikegallos

Why then can I not sync windows live calendar with my Blackberry?  The only way I can do it is to sync outlook with live calendar and then sync with device.  I don't use Outlook at home though as I prefer to use Windows Live Mail Client...

Google has mad this absolutley painless.

arstechnica.com/.../microsoft-is-supposedly-pilfering-apple-retail-staff.ars

Microsoft has contacted a number of Apple's retail store managers to work in their stores. In addition to 'significant raises,' the managers have also been offered moving expenses in some cases." It doesn't end there: once the ex-Apple managers have jumped ship, they are asked to contact their top sales employees at their old workplaces and offer them similar positions at Microsoft's retail stores, also with higher pay.

Oh, the old "we-at-Micro$oft-cannot-do-it-ourselves-so-lets-see-where-money-can-get-us"....

Really...what CAN Microsoft do? Except hiring a bunch of nitwits barely intelligent enough to get an MSCE-certificate and running a overtly stupid blog like this?

MobileMe sync - earlier mac.com with iSync - has now existed since January 2003, and with its working sync of bookmarks, settings, smart mail folders and great 3rd party app support (Transmit FTP bookmark syncing, for example), it seems it's in a league of its own.

I consider this type of service essential for anyone who has to do web- or multimedia-related work mobile and has many computers, maybe multiple cell phones as well, yet it seems nobody else is offering as complete a solution as Apple, even after all these years.

So, Paul implying subscribers are "fools" simply because his particular favorite company doesn't yet deliver something that can compete is not only childish and tasteless, it's just plain stupid.

I don't care though. I just want to put facts straight. But if he ever again calls himself a journalist, I'll take offence.

Can Microsoft get any dumber? Yes, yes they sure can. Look at how pathetic this is.

www.youtube.com/watch

This is even worse than the horrible video Paul posted the other day.

Delmont seriously what did your first post even add to this thread?  Nothing.  Why post it?  Its not going to have any effect on anyone at all.  Think about it, you are posting in response to meaningless comments on a meaningless blog, what does that make you?  Less than meaningless?

This blog is just another RSS feed I get.  If Paul acts like an arsssse I will respond in kind.  Freedom of speech.

Mike, come here for respect?  Is that what you do?  Is that what you need?  Looking at the number posts you have left on this site, perhaps it is?  Good luck with that.

Anyone ever notice how Microsoft created everything? Truly interesting to say the least.... yeah right.

"Actually, Microsoft has had this for several years - first with MSN Mobile and later with Windows Live for Windows Mobile. "As Items Arrive" push email for Windows Mobile has been a feature of that product for years now."

Really so how long have you been able to sync you contacts in Hotmail with your mobile phone?  How long have you had Exchange/imap like features with hotmail, where you delete something on your PC/WinMo phone/webmail and its reflected everywhere?

Microsoft has had Exchange, but for consumers these features have lagged behind considerably.  Hosted Exchange for Joe User was not even an option until a few years ago.

I don't use the mobile pieces, but I have been using the WIndows Live Mail client for some time now, which syncs the two computers I have and makes it consistent with what is on the webmail portion of Hotmail.  Just like cached Exchange does.  Contacts and calendar too.

I'm interested in Paul's take on this. Hubris hurts, indeed:

digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/.../usb-if-slaps-palm

@ Delmont: Perhaps you should re-word your letter and address it to Paul:

"You week after week just astound me with your crazy comments.

"Don't you have a life?

"Don't you have better targets to hit instead of Apple? You  come here and whine and now call Apple users names. Write about something else. Look at the name of the website.

"Grow up."

I love it.  Paul only digs at Apple fanboys because he knows he'll get a reaction from them.  Works every time.  Brings this place to life ;)

@lotsamystuff - I read that info regarding Palm using Apple's vendor ID on another site. I use a Pre, and there are many other ways to get content to the device. I'd rather use one of the other manners than iTunes, anyway. I would have bought an iPhone if I wanted to use iTunes. In my opinion, Palm needs to stop the games...they were cute, but now they have been officially warned. It's time to take the high road and drop it.

--tayme

Wow, I was sort of tempted to pony up for mobile me and now I'm so glad I didn't.

I really like the google mail system and previously used active sync to sync my contacts and caldender to my iphone. Thanks for flagging this Paul.

Pauls weird obsession with Apple continues. This time, tying them to Bing.

windowsitpro.com/.../Index.cfm

Ocean,

The key is Paul looking for people to "respect" Bing.  I've used it...didn't really like it.  But I really DO like the ads.  I think the TV commercials are awesome!

He compares it to the Mac in the sense that the small player in terms of marketshare is getting respect (Mac), vs not getting respect (Bing).

The problem is this.  No one really cares about Bing or search engines in particular.  They are free (to users) and people just use whichever they prefer.

Buying a computer can be seen as a multi-year investment.  I buy this now, and have it for 3-5 years.

The other thing Paul doesn't seem to get is that the Mac is a huge money maker for Apple, while Bing, as of right now, is not a huge money maker for MS.  Is Bing a money maker at all for MS, or is it a money loser?  If it's a money loser, does anyone know when MS projects making profit from Bing.

Anyway, it is weird that Paul compares so much of what MS does to Apple.  Regardless, his comparisons just aren't really valid...he's comparing apples and oranges....even if they do share some common traits.

@sttevo: "I love it.  Paul only digs at Apple fanboys because he knows he'll get a reaction from them.  Works every time.  Brings this place to life ;)"

:-) That is true.

Fringe elements like robertsjoe, Ocean, logjamming, etc. are thriving because of this.

Let's all have a Google Sync House Party!

""Waethorn", only YOU could interpret "copyrighted content" to mean "credit card information". "

Except that they don't call it "copyrighted content".  They say that you retain copyright on any content that you post (to which you actually own the copyright), but regardless, you allow them to have free reign on any content you post, despite any copyrights or other rights you may have.  And in legal speak, that's anything and everything that you post through their services - including Google Checkout.

rr0de

"Really so how long have you been able to sync you contacts in Hotmail with your mobile phone?  How long have you had Exchange/imap like features with hotmail, where you delete something on your PC/WinMo phone/webmail and its reflected everywhere?"

Since a little over 3 years ago when MSN Mobile (now Windows Live for Windows Mobile) came out.

OT: lol

blog.newsweek.com/.../64-bit-computing-the-next-big-confusing-thing.aspx

Mike hotmail has never offered imap.  They have offered various connectors, that worked with outlook only then live mail, basically a confusing mess.  At some point recently they added contact then calendar support or calendar then contact support and then only with specific apps (Outlook vs Vista mail vs the live download)  Crystal clear!

rr0de

You didn't ask about the IMAP protocol, you asked how long it had the equivalent features. That's been over 3 years now. Sorry that you keep insisting on proclaiming your ignorance rather than admitting you don't know a thing about either MSN Mobile or Windows LIve for Windows Mobile.

As I said, now several times, you've been able to have push mail with full mail and contact sync with Hotmail and Windows Mobile phones for several years now.

Apple was playing catch up and now Google is playing catch up to them. Those of us with Windows Mobile are, once again, saying "What? That's a new feature for you? But we've had that for years!"

Cringe worthy.

Whenever I receive an email from a user on Gmail, or their business offering, it's cringe worthy. It just looks nasty and is harder to read. It's harder to manage and harder to communicate.

There is for example, much less integration with many other communications and productivity tools that we and our customers have long regarded as common.

Very rich text, universal secure access, continuously sync'd EVERYTHING, presence tokens, secure IM, single click access to many forms of communications, and collaboration, shared everything, screen pops for incoming calls that pull up a contact and map the incoming call and relate it to relevant documents in play... just a lot of stuff that we have taken for granted that only now, so many others are gushing over.

I haven't even mentioned policy based management and larger integration and control - regardless of business size.

When I look at all of this, I ask how can any person afford not to work as we do - as is possible and within reach of all. There are so many great hosts and none of them scour users' content and then advertise to them - which alone creeps me out.

Ok, so Google has sync options. Great. They are not alone and frankly, they're way late to a party that they weren't invited to - my reference to how they tend to use peoples' information for their own gain.

c'mon Paul, how about a snarky story about Google eating IE8 alive with a html standards compliant framework add-in.  I guess you wouldn't agree that users of IE8 look like a fool.

@Mike...

social.microsoft.com/.../ca4f4ac1-c438-434b-8254-e08143a716ed

Microsoft started allowing access to parts of Hotmail via Outlook and WinMO in 2006.  It has been a bumpy road to say the least.  You still need MS products on both ends and I am not sure you have Exchange like ability (mail, calendar, contact sync).

rr0de

"Microsoft started allowing access to parts of Hotmail via Outlook and WinMO in 2006.  "

Apology accepted.

@ Those of us with Windows Mobile are, once again, saying "What? That's a new feature for you? But we've had that for years!"

Ah, you mean touch controls on Windows Mobile 7(look up how Ballmer laughed his ass off at that feature and now introduces it), automated backup (and not that ridiculous *** called Windows Backup or that crap that comes on only 2 versions of Windows Vista), tabbed browsing, meta-data support, Live Preview of open applications, OS that comes with a free Calender (Windows Calender, my ass) and Dictionary and advanced burning tools, moving open files to new locations without any problems, drag and drop nearly everything you like, wake-up time from sleep, font management tools, workflow and automated tasks, Virtual Desktops, Dashboard (oh w8; Windows Sidebar), Media interface in all OS versions (oh w8..Apple only has one and it includes ALL features), DVD player in all OS versions, Stereo Bluetooth A2DP enabled, remote desktop in all OS versions, Parental Controls (what was introduced in Vista was largely available in Tiger: that was April 2005), etc. etc.

Like I said earlier on: in the land of the blind.

You guys are freaking hilarious.

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