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And the Number One Reason to Upgrade to Windows 7 is...

With Windows 7 barreling toward an October 22 worldwide launch, pundits, reviewers, and others are weighing in with their opinions, all of which, tellingly, are quite positive. One interesting recent trend is proclaiming why it is that Windows 7 is so great. And in keeping with the simplicity mantra in Windows 7, some are actually trying to push the notion that there is just one reason why you want to upgrade to Windows 7.

For example, Brier Dudley over at The Seattle Times says that that reason is quality.

The software debuting Oct. 22 practically sells itself.

Quality is, thankfully, the biggest selling point for the software that will soon run most of the world's PCs.

Window expert Ed Bott, meanwhile, argues that drivers is the reason.

You want to know why Windows 7 isn’t going to be another Vista? Here’s one big reason: drivers. This time, hardware makers seem to be keeping pace with the operating system and the hardware.

They're both right. And that's the thing with Windows 7. There is no single reason why Windows 7 is awesome, just like there's no single huge feature that will draw in users. Instead, Microsoft has engineered hundreds, perhaps thousands, of meaningful changes and updates into Windows 7. Many are big deals, most are not. But in one of those "seeing the forest for the trees" moments, the sum of all these improvements far outweighs any single change. Windows 7 is a perfect storm of improvements and timing. It is the right product for the right time.

More important, perhaps, Windows 7 is, quite obviously, the most well-conceived version of Windows ever created. I carefully worded that phrase because one might expect that any given version of Windows is "the best version of Windows" ever created. That's absolutely been true of every single previous Windows version, at the time. (Yes, even Windows Me. Really.) But what makes Windows 7 so special isn't any one improvement. It's not that it erases the perceptions (right and wrong) about Vista. It's not just that's it's shipping when it's shipping. It's a combination of things.

I'll elaborate on this in the conclusion to my Windows 7 review later this week. But the long story short is that Windows 7 is the real deal. And as a long-time Windows watcher, it's nice to finally see Microsoft firing on all cylinders in a way they haven't since Windows 95. This is a company full of very smart people that often makes some incredibly bone-headed mistakes. That's not happening with Windows 7. Not at all.

Windows 7 is the perfect storm.

Comments

 

FalKirk said:

I have conflicting feelings on whether Windows 7 will be a big success. I have no doubt it will be a success - the model Microsoft uses by bundling their software with new computers all but guarantees that. But will it be a big success? To be a big success it's got to move a large percentage of XP and Vista users to it's standard.

Pro: Windows 7 will be a big success because there is huge pent up demand. People have been hanging on to their XP software and they are dying to make the switch.

Con: Windows 7 will not be a success because no one cares. Windows XP is good enough.

Pro: Windows 7 will be a big success because, as Paul said, there is no one great feature, its' just good all over.

Con: Windows 7 will not be a big success because there is no one killer "must have" feature that will capture the imagination of the masses (or IT departments) and drive sales.

We'll see.

October 13, 2009 8:22 AM
 

chipwinter said:

I think that bundling it with PC purchases means it will sell well, no matter the quality.

That's a great business model.

October 13, 2009 8:28 AM
 

gfryesc1 said:

yeah, I think your credibility took the proverbial core dump with the claim of Windows ME was the best Microsoft OS when it debuted.  

October 13, 2009 9:02 AM
 

JamesNT said:

THIS WILL BE THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE DESKTOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Paul, I just wanted to jump that in there before a real linux zealot did.

JamesNT

October 13, 2009 9:15 AM
 

JamesNT said:

MY MAC WILL ALWAYS BE FAR SUPERIOR TO WINBLOWS!  YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!!!!!!!!!

Thought I'd get that one out of the way, too.

JamesNT

October 13, 2009 9:15 AM
 

meason said:

I think windows 7 will be a success because of that little girls slide shows, happy word with happy pictures!

October 13, 2009 9:18 AM
 

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October 13, 2009 9:21 AM
 

Waethorn said:

"You want to know why Windows 7 isn’t going to be another Vista? Here’s one big reason: drivers. This time, hardware makers seem to be keeping pace with the operating system and the hardware."

It's not that they're keeping pace, it's that they've had all kinds of experience with Windows Vista to finally get it right.  Most drivers were built well even before Vista SP1, just like most of the performance and compatibility enhancements, yet most people seem to credit a major update rather than one of those automated monthly ones.  The same goes for Windows 7.

You know what I'd love to see?  I'd love to see someone take Vista RTM with all the updates prior to SP1 (turn on the SP1 blocker or something) and then compare it to a fresh SP1 install.  I'd bet the performance is the same.

Oh, and BTW:  the SMBv2 fix is available today, so turn SMBv2 back on (if you turned it off) for those accelerated Server 2008-to-Vista file transfers.  I never bothered turning it off though, because someone would have to penetrate your internal network before it becomes a security risk.

October 13, 2009 9:32 AM
 

whiplash55 said:

9 more days and I can blow this Vista install a way and get going. Not that Vista ever treated me bad I never had many problems. I'll just be glad to get on with the new.

Okay bring on 8 because 7's been here a while.

October 13, 2009 10:06 AM
 

Balthazar9 said:

The Ferrari Enzo supercar is also great. But, as a small to midsize business do you want to pay an exorbitant upgrade price?

Doubtful even big business focused on their bottom line this earnings season will spring M$$$ for enterprise edition.

Sure if you’re Paul or Ed and get (FREE) complementary packages from.....

SnowLeopard enterprise/ultimate edition for twenty nine smackers – WOW baby.

October 13, 2009 10:32 AM
 

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October 13, 2009 10:34 AM
 

joe-dokes said:

"Microsoft has engineered hundreds, perhaps thousands, of meaningful changes and updates into Windows 7"

I carefully worded that phrase because one might expect that any given version of Windows is "the best version of Windows" ever created. That's absolutely been true of every single previous Windows version, at the time. (Yes, even Windows Me. Really.)

These two quotes clear demonstrate Paul's inability to recognize his own bias.  Really Paul?  EVERY version of windows is superior to the previous version?  Then you defend Windows Me?  Even in the land of Mac where fanbois celebrate all things Apple, there are genuine consensus about which versions of Mac OS are better and worse than the others.  Although all versions of the Mac OS have included some new and often great features, versions lacking stability or versions that change feature implementation can be met with scorn by the Mac faithful.  For example, there are those who argue, that Finder is broken in virtually every version of OS X and needs to be taken back to its OS 9 and earlier feature implementation.  

Various versions of both DOS and Windows gained reputations DOS 4 is widely held to be one of the worst.  While DOS 5 is considered to be perhaps the best DOS made.  In the land of Windows, Windows 2000 is still considered by many to be one of the best versions of Windows, while Windows 98 SE is considered to be the best of the 9X familiy.  Windows 95 at least as shipped in its earliest implementations, is considered almost too buggy to use.  Many users stuck with Window 3.11 for at least a year while MS shipped patch after patch, by mid 2006 Window 95 became a more stable useable product, and by the Windows 98 version many used and liked it.  So long as you booted and shut down your Windows 98 machine daily, it was a quite good OS.  Window Me, while offering some new and perhaps interesting features is considered a dog by the tech community because it was, any version of an OS that introduces stability issues is going to have a poor reputation and rightfully so, because all the new features in the world cannot make up for a product that can't be trusted or used.

Finally the first comment, you should right for Apple, and claim thousands of new features.  You have ridiculed Apple on numerous occasions for their feature count, dare I say you are a tad bit hypocritical.

Regards

Joe Dokes

October 13, 2009 10:57 AM
 

EricoF3 said:

Because Windows 7 is the most powerfull OS on te market...

October 13, 2009 10:58 AM
 

EricoF3 said:

JamesNT  said: "THIS WILL BE THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE DESKTOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Hahahahaa!!!!! Let me laugh!!! Linux is a crap OS... 1970 kernel with a patch up shell...

Linux is like a Dodge Relian K Engine with Pontiac Fiero body...

Hahahahahaha ... you make me pi in my pants.... hahahaha

An + I am sure peoples wants to use an OS that is controled at 100% by the hackers off the world... I am sure...

October 13, 2009 11:03 AM
 

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October 13, 2009 11:14 AM
 

pezzonovante said:

Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread. Period.

October 13, 2009 11:34 AM
 

gumby74 said:

Interesting that 7 is the OS that delivers and Snow Leopard is the OS that deletes your data.

October 13, 2009 11:45 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

Drivers?  Um it uses the Vista driver model.  So if there is a Vista driver for your hardware you are good to go with 7.  

Sure 7 will have more drivers on the DVD than Vista did, but its almost 3 years later.  This is no different than any other OS, from any other company.

October 13, 2009 11:50 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@gumby74 if you want some MS data deleting action, purchase a sidekick.

October 13, 2009 11:51 AM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

As much as the haters want to nitpick about Windows 7, the problem is that there really isn't much to hate about Windows 7. The OS is so elegantly designed, even a few Geniuses at the local Mac store praised its elegance. The Dallas Morning News did an article about how local Dallas businesses are planning to adopt Windows 7. Not waiting for SP1 but already transitioning.

www.dallasnews.com/.../100609dnbuswindows7.3799b79.html

But OS-X has a deletion problem. Most importantly, personal data. Ironic that Leopard and Snow Leopard both had major issues discovered prior to launch. I think Apple is losing its lustre.

www.pcworld.com/.../update_snow_leopard_bug_is_a_doozy_how_did_apple_miss_it.html

How embarassing. You don't rush a product to launch unless its flawless. Another example of hubris overriding sound judgement. If Apple had stuck to its plan, perhaps this could have been found and avoided. It just reminds me of the tale of the Tortoise and the Hare. Slow and stead wins the race.

The buzz is definitely much louder than the trash talk. Can't wait for Oct 22!

October 13, 2009 12:01 PM
 

Keleko said:

There were those that declared Vista the best Windows ever, too, and look how well that has gone over.

I say Windows 7 is not delivered at the right time.  It is 3 years late, in fact.  However, you could argue it is delivered at the right time NOW because less than 20% of Windows users were willing to use Vista.  MS had to get Windows 7 out ASAP to keep the company from losing the OS market completely.  They had to do it for the netbook market, too, which completely bypassed Vista.

What will determine of Win 7 does well is almost completely with the new computer purchase.  Your average user majority is not going to upgrade from XP to 7 on their existing hardware because of the difficulty.  Same goes for businesses.  So if sales of new computers start to take off, then so will Windows 7.  However, in this market, it a big unknown whether sales will take off.  Obviously vendors hope it does, and they're putting out a pile of new systems for the launch.  So the question is now, "We built it.  Will customers come?"

October 13, 2009 12:06 PM
 

Keleko said:

I should add that Windows Vista is the reason my house has switched to Apple.  A year and a half ago I was ready to get a new PC.  I was ready to leave XP at the same time, but I did not want Vista.  Linux did not meet my needs, either.  So I bought a Mac.  I like it.  My wife now has a Mac, too, which she also likes.  I see no reason to go back to Windows for my personal computing needs (games being the only exception, and that's where Bootcamp is useful).  If Vista had been a year and a half ago what Windows 7 is now, I would have stayed with Windows.

Now my work laptop runs XP.  I'd love to replace it with Windows 7.  However, I have to wait for my company to finally get around to accepting the OS.  Maybe by 2012 I'll get to use Windows 7 on it just before the world ends.

October 13, 2009 12:22 PM
 

yoshipod said:

Lets wait and see a couple of weeks after launch.

Windows 7 does look like a good OS from everything I have read so far, but reviews of Vista were just as positive.

I'm sure the numbers of horror stories about problems that happened while upgrading will dwarf the reports of those Mac OS X 10.6 ones.

Give it some time and then we can see if it is as good as advertised.

October 13, 2009 12:29 PM
 

Ocean said:

Anyone care to comment on this:

>>The simplest, most cost-effective answer I know of? Don't use Microsoft Windows when accessing your bank account online. <<

I think it takes some chutzpah for a major paper to print that:

voices.washingtonpost.com/.../avoid_windows_malware_bank_on.html

October 13, 2009 12:41 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

"all of which, tellingly, are quite positive"

Better correct that definitive statement:

louderback.com/.../windows-7-its-vista-all-over-again

October 13, 2009 12:45 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Drivers?  Um it uses the Vista driver model.  So if there is a Vista driver for your hardware you are good to go with 7.  

Sure 7 will have more drivers on the DVD than Vista did, but its almost 3 years later.  This is no different than any other OS, from any other company."

I had a problem on a new server recently where installing Windows Server 2008 RTM (in actuality, SP1) would need "F6" mass storage drivers for the SAS drive controller.  Problem is, I was installing from a USB stick, and it set the USB drive as drive C: without renaming it to a drive letter AFTER the hard drive on reboot (Windows normally does this perfectly, but just not for this hardware, probably because the SAS controller takes a lower priority over USB-connected drives).  The hard drive ended up being drive E:, and you can't change drive letters on system drives after the fact.  On Server 2008 R2, the SAS controller drivers were in-box, so I never had the same issue.  That helped a lot.  When you're setting up a VM environment, you don't want to be guessing about where VHD's are stored, and simplicity is the key to keeping your sanity intact.

I just wish they had added the Intel ME drivers to the Windows 7 install bits.  They have on-board video and audio drivers, but Intel ME drivers are needed on a lot of motherboards.

October 13, 2009 1:04 PM
 

Waethorn said:

I think that Microsoft has a lot of work to do to assure backwards compatibility with Windows 8.  If Windows 8 will be 64-bit only (or 64/128 if there is any truth to that), there should be some kind of built-in virtualization layer for 32-bit compatibility, rather than compatibility shims.  Virtualization seems like a more logical approach, and may or may not be a "cleaner" solution for the user, and *maybe* easier for the developers (that's just a guess - IHNI), but there has to be some kind of benefit to using hardware acceleration for all required backwards compatibility.  They should require hardware VT for that reason, but I would fear that they wouldn't be able to push the industry hard enough on that requirement, or that the software would come too soon for the feature to be mainstream.  Windows 8 is a few years off though, but even Intel has said that not every Core i# chip next year will have VT included.  Expect it not to be in Core i3's (the dual-cores) and some of the i5's once they expand the product lineup.

XP Mode is pretty good, but I think it's time they strip out the running instance part of the VM so that the application can just be put into a "container" without having to boot up another complete OS in a window, thereby eliminating complexity and security issues inherent in running a complete legacy OS.

October 13, 2009 1:22 PM
 

Waethorn said:

It's funny that nobody has mentioned the security model of Windows 7 as being a key reason to upgrade [from XP].  Anybody that hasn't migrated to Windows Vista already is missing out on it, but it's strange that they haven't kept that drum beating for Windows 7.

I haven't deployed the new Group Policy option for it, but I don't think that any business should have UAC put into the default option.  Instead, they should raise it to the Vista-level option.  The new default gives so-called Administrators a false sense of confidence which is dangerous when it comes to PC's, and on some types of networks (SBS 2003, I'm looking at you), users have to be Local Admins for deployment and GPO functions to work correctly.

October 13, 2009 1:31 PM
 

de Silentio said:

"Drivers?  Um it uses the Vista driver model.  So if there is a Vista driver for your hardware you are good to go with 7."

I've seen some odd pieces of hardware that have Vista drivers that don't work with 7.  Very few, though.

October 13, 2009 1:33 PM
 

crankenstein said:

Win 7 is THE best OS ever released... Period. Even the Apple zealots and they're problem riddled Snow Leopard agree.

October 13, 2009 1:36 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"I've seen some odd pieces of hardware that have Vista drivers that don't work with 7. "

If they have EXE installers that do a Windows version check, try using Compatibility Mode in the properties of the main program.  That usually works fine.  You *shouldn't* need to specify admin rights for the program if it already supports Vista too.

October 13, 2009 1:40 PM
 

de Silentio said:

@Paul:

On the new site layout.  All is fine with me except that the "Blog" link now opens a new window, very inconvenient, in my opinion.

October 13, 2009 1:40 PM
 

hzwei2000 said:

Sorry Paul,

But as a self-proclaimed Windows lover and defender of Vista and its superior follow-up in Windows 7, I have to disagree. Windows Me was never the best anything. Every system I ever used with Win Me was extremely unstable. I had to run to the land of Windows Xp betas and Release Candidates to get stability. Even my dual boot Win 98 partition was a godsend compared to Me.

Vista suffered (unjustly) from a poor reputation, Win Me just made people suffer.

October 13, 2009 1:57 PM
 

Logjamming said:

Transformation complete. Windows has now become OSX. No wonder you guys are excited.

But really, all of this stuff has been available on OSX for years. And, in contrast to Vista, it has also been working for years.

Ah well, I'm glad you guys finally get an OS that works, even it is a shameless copy of OSX. Enjoy it!

October 13, 2009 2:03 PM
 

Balthazar9 said:

pezzonovante said:  Windows 7 is the best thing since sliced bread. Period.

Alright, allow me.

Windows control panel is an absolute disaster. Few things are logically categorized.

Win-Explorer is a disaster. It takes 77 clicks to do the most basic of chores. i.e. cut, copy, paste or delete. I’m forced to hack the hell out of Win7 registry to make explorer behave.

Win-IE8 is freakishly bad. Have to disable ‘DEP’ so that non Micro$haft software works properly.

Ejecting Devices Requires far too many clicks.

Sleep and hibernation are still difficult to use.

October 13, 2009 2:04 PM
 

de Silentio said:

"If they have EXE installers that do a Windows version check"

That's another issue that ticks me off.  Anyways, I tried the direct driver (going through Device Manager), didn't work.  I don't know why, but it didn't.

One of the problem devices is a Wireless USB/VGA adapter for a project.  IOGear recognizes that their Vista driver doesn't work for 7.  I think MS changed something in the Graphics model (I really don't know, all I know is that it doesn't work).

October 13, 2009 2:06 PM
 

trieste said:

It's always puzzling when otherwise sane journalists, who warn about using version 1.0, proclaim their love of a new OS and recommend BUY, BUY, BUY!

I guess there is not a great journalism market for apathy i.e who cares. Wait until you buy a new computer. Will your life be shiny and bright when you buy 7? No. You can copy files, play music, write emails just the same as before. I imagine I'll have 7 sometime in the next 2 years.

October 13, 2009 2:07 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10374134-245.html

"Microsoft released a record number of 13 bulletins for 34 vulnerabilities on Patch Tuesday--and the first critical update for Windows 7--as well as fixes for zero-day flaws involving Server Message Block (SMB) and Internet Information Services (IIS)."

Best Windows ever.  Great timing on this post.

October 13, 2009 2:21 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@subzerohitman, the Snow Leopard Guest account bug does not delete anything, it changes the pointer.  The data is still there and you can change the pointer back via CLI.

The bug only happens IF.....

you upgraded over the top of Leopard.

and if on Leopard you had the guest account enabled (default disabled) prior to the Snow Leopard upgrade.

and you had to login to the guest account 1 time on Leopard before the Snow Leopard upgrade.

Even then it does not always happen.

If you did a clean install (duh) of Snow Leopard then you wont see the bug, or if you never had the guest account turned on under Leopard then you wont see it.  Or even if you upgraded over the top of Leopard and had the guest account on, and logged into it at least once, you can fix it by disabling and re-enabling guest 1 time to fix it.

I am sure it hit some people, but with all of the IF's you need for this to happen its not going to be many.  Kind of like the Windows 7 Showstopper bug back in August that did not amount to much.

October 13, 2009 2:33 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Joe-Dokes

"DOS 4 is widely held to be one of the worst.  While DOS 5 is considered to be perhaps the best DOS made."

PC-DOS 4.00 was the only one written by IBM as part of the Microsoft/IBM Joint Development Agreement that also created OS|2. (Microsoft went in and fixed the bigger problems with their initial release of MS-DOS 4.01 - you'll notice that there was NO MS-DOS 4.00) After the problems with PC-DOS 4 Microsoft took back control of MS/PC-DOS starting with version 5.

October 13, 2009 2:40 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"Best Windows ever."

Kind of like "The world's most advanced operating system.  Finely tuned."  Unless you use a Guest account.  Whoops.

October 13, 2009 2:40 PM
 

daveinla said:

The main reason to upgrade to 7 is that it's simply better where Vista was bad...

BTW Daddy W. Mossberg posted a very positive article about windows 7, I don't know if you guys have read it already or not...

online.wsj.com/.../SB10001424052748703298004574459293141191728.html

But unlike what Paul claims about him, he's both a dual Mac and Windows user and appreciates them both for their respective face value. A good thing about him is that he's not a geek and appreciates the systems for their daily ease of use, annoyances ... and not about the futile details of the innards that nobody cares about or will not make a difference in your life for 99% of users.

Anyway I too am eager to upgrade to 7, and have not performed yet the upgrade to Snow Leopard caus' I don't feel the need to. Leopard works just perfectly for me and I don't care about the few GB I'm gonna save but installing it or the speed boost I won't see anyway because I don't have 8 cores and a high-end video card...

October 13, 2009 2:43 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

@daveinla: this is not the point here ... We don't compare OSX to Windows 7 here ...

The question is just What are good reasons to upgrade to Windows 7? It is not Why should you prefer Windows 7 over OSX...

October 13, 2009 3:02 PM
 

daveinla said:

Erico:

Excuse me for voicing my opinion on things that people care about here... People like you or MSN Galos might not give a *** about what happens besides MS but it's always good to put things in perspective.... BTW my comment was + for Windows and not so for OSX... just my 2 cts...

And if you want to stay on point don't mention Linux with stupid fanbois argument that would make Beck and Hannity blush !

October 13, 2009 3:20 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Erico

Actually, DaveInLa makes an interesting point, although not the one I suspect he intends. That point is how far we moved the bar in what we accept as "journalism".

Goatberg effectively said, "The latest version of Windows is almost good enough to be compared with Snow Leopard (a version of OS X that's getting to be known for incompatibility and destroying user data)"

That's what DaveInLa thinks is a neutral view.

Can you imagine if Paul did a quick "review" of Snow Leopard that said, "Snow Leopard shows that Apple is capable of producing a product that's nearly competitive with Windows ME"? Think DaveInLa would be as quick to say that showed how neutral and unbiased Paul was?

October 13, 2009 3:20 PM
 

sjaak327 said:

"Sleep and hibernation are still difficult to use."

Really, what's difficult about it I wonder.

Windows 7 has some nicea advancements over Vista, it is therfore slightly better.

Having said that, Vista was and is rock solid as well, and I have read somewhere that it's adoption is comparable to that of XP in it's first three years. Seems to me all the Vista woes and disasters are largely due to perception then that they are based on any hard facts.

October 13, 2009 3:20 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Dave

Seriously. 94% of the world uses Windows exclusively

4.4% use Mac and of those 85% also use Windows

That's, what, about 0.7% who use OS X exclusively? That's about equal to Linux on the desktop.

So, yeah, I give Apple about 4% of my attention and "Mac Only - Windoze sux" types less than the 0.7% they deserve.

October 13, 2009 3:23 PM
 

daveinla said:

"Can you imagine if Paul did a quick "review" of Snow Leopard that said, "Snow Leopard shows that Apple is capable of producing a product that's nearly competitive with Windows ME"

Get your pills Mike.

Anyway as much as I enjoy reading both Mossberg and Paul, I trust more Mossberg for objectivity when evaluating Apple or MS products for mainstream users rather than Paul...

October 13, 2009 3:25 PM
 

daveinla said:

Yeah you're right MSN Galos !! :)))) The Mac has a 4.4 % Worldwode marketshare because 95.6 % of the people in the world choose to use to Windows because they now it's the better thing out there... Hence OSX is crap because it has 4.4 % marketshare ! And Lotus and BMW are crap too BTW ! ;)

October 13, 2009 3:28 PM
 

sjaak327 said:

"Anyway as much as I enjoy reading both Mossberg and Paul, I trust more Mossberg for objectivity when evaluating Apple or MS products for mainstrex`xam users rather than Paul..."

the sub title of the post you linked:

"Microsoft's New Operating System Is Good Enough to Erase Bad Memory of Vista"

That is enough for me to disqualify the man's views, as he doesn't really know what he is talking about. End of story really. Maybe less bias, but next to zero actual knowledge.

It's a shame that the IT press is of such a low quality.

October 13, 2009 3:31 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"One of the problem devices is a Wireless USB/VGA adapter for a project.  IOGear recognizes that their Vista driver doesn't work for 7.  I think MS changed something in the Graphics model (I really don't know, all I know is that it doesn't work)."

Yes, video drivers have been updated to WDDM 1.1.  There is some new standard for USB-to-VGA, but I don't remember the name for it.  It is a standard that multiple companies are attempting to utilize, but it's not used by every one.  The standard is governed by a third-party and one of the key pillars to it is to include Windows WHQL certification for the drivers, as well as make them cross-compatible between different types of hardware.

October 13, 2009 3:32 PM
 

daveinla said:

"Sjakk"

What is the % of people around you (non MS Fanbois) do you know who said:

" Wow I'm really happy I made the switch to Vista, what a change in my life it has made for daily use !! " ??????????

Well around me none of my friends (who are only Windows users) said they gained something with Vista and most of them complained one way or the other about some sluggishness or annoyances about it...

That said they and I are waiting eagerly for the Windows 7 upgrade.

October 13, 2009 3:38 PM
 

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EricoF3 said:

daveinla  said: "Yeah you're right MSN Galos !! :)))) The Mac has a 4.4 % Worldwode marketshare because 95.6 % of the people in the world choose to use to Windows because they now it's the better thing out there... Hence OSX is crap because it has 4.4 % marketshare ! And Lotus and BMW are crap too BTW ! ;)"

Hahah You really compares OSX with Lotus or BMW lol... Lotus and BMW are always broked up!!

I assumed you'll compared OSX with a little and fiable car like a Toyota yaris...

No thats true... Windows is more like Cadiallac... isn't it??

daveinla is a little frustrated here lol

October 13, 2009 3:42 PM
 

sjaak327 said:

"What is the % of people around you (non MS Fanbois) do you know who said:

" Wow I'm really happy I made the switch to Vista, what a change in my life it has made for daily use !! " ??????????

"

Zero, as far as I know no-one I know actually upgraded from XP to Vista. Normal users don't do such a thing, only geeks do. Having said that, currently most of my friends have new hardware, with Vista installed, and several have said they like it much more then XP. No complaints or horror stories from them.

But then again, I speak of personal experience, on a multitude of systems when I say that Vista was rock solid, and that from RTM onwards. As mentioned by someone above, the few performance issues were solved during patch tuesday, and not by SP1. Of course you needed to actually use Vista to know this little tidbit. Enough said.

October 13, 2009 3:45 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Sleep and hibernation are still difficult to use."

"Really, what's difficult about it I wonder."

Driver support for old hardware is what I would bet it would be.

Look for "BIOS/Firmware Extension" drivers from your computer manufacturer or motherboard maker.  If they don't have any for Windows 7, try the Windows Vista drivers.  Don't use XP drivers, because they probably won't work on Windows 7 (32-bit XP drivers on a 32-bit version of Windows 7 are the only ones that have even a chance of working, but I wouldn't recommend it).  Remember, that for power management to work, you usually have to have ALL drivers properly loaded (and working) for all hardware.

October 13, 2009 3:46 PM
 

redunion1940 said:

Balthazar9 said:  

"Alright, allow me.

Windows control panel is an absolute disaster. Few things are logically categorized."

Honestly I'm looking at it right now and it looks fine to me, though I might not follow your logic, which for the life of me I can't seem to figure out.

"Win-Explorer is a disaster. It takes 77 clicks to do the most basic of chores. i.e. cut, copy, paste or delete. I’m forced to hack the hell out of Win7 registry to make explorer behave."

What in God's name are you trying to do that requires 77 clicks to preform, maybe it is the hacking of the registry that is screwing your system up, ya know it takes me at the most two clicks to delete something so.

"Win-IE8 is freakishly bad. Have to disable ‘DEP’ so that non Micro$haft software works properly."

This one is your fault then for using outdated software that can't recognize IE8 over IE6, I mean you like to hack stuff why don't you hack that outdated software to get it to work, or use XP mode.

"Ejecting Devices Requires far too many clicks."

??? I don't know how to reply to this, I mean you put something on a flash drive, wait for it to transfer then you pull the flash drive out, not that hard.

"Sleep and hibernation are still difficult to use."

Really, really, What was your last Operating system MS-DOS, Linux with out a GUI, honestly, it takes two clicks on desktops for sleep, and on laptops hibernate is the default button not shutdown.

You sir need to avoid using computers I would venture to say, having these many problems is ridiculous, heck Windows 95 didn't have these problems, did you skip the 80's 90's and most of the 2000's and on your first computer.

October 13, 2009 3:47 PM
 

daveinla said:

Well i thought we had a specimen with MSN Galos but it seems that the Pinnacle is reached with Erico here !!! :)))

Watch out Erico MSN Galos is Fan of Lotus ! And yeah you're right they always are "Broke" as are BMWs !!! LOL !

Well I'm off to work caus' I have a life other than foaming to the mouth and insulting  everyone who thinks MS is not the summum in Technology (Even if I said good thing about MS in my comment !!!!!!!) on that website !

Good luck guys. And long live Win 7!

October 13, 2009 3:49 PM
 

Waethorn said:

Completely O/T:

Does anybody have any recommendations on DVD burning software where you can use multiple target DVD burners?  (ie. burn to many discs at a time)

I used to use NeroNET server ages ago, but that products life has come and gone, as has the Nero 5 client that is required for it.

October 13, 2009 3:51 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Hmmm.

Lotus is an engineering consulting company that sells cars to demonstrate their technical expertise.

Apple is a consumer electronics marketing company that produces computers because dropping out of that market would hurt their image.

Of course, maybe you just meant that you expect Apple to have a smaller market share in computer than Lotus does in autos.

That's possible.

(And said as a big fan of Lotus Cars and Lotus Engineering)

October 13, 2009 3:51 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

October 13, 2009 3:56 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

Windows is like a Cadillac, big and bloated with Aero bling, kind of like the gold trim on a Cadillac.

October 13, 2009 3:56 PM
 

daveinla said:

"Apple is a consumer electronics marketing company"

Ahhhh no guys soooooorryyy  !!!! Galos can actually do better than Erico today !!!

October 13, 2009 3:59 PM
 

techfan said:

Mind you, I haven't read Brier Dudley's (I guess I should comment before reading), but on what Paul says that Brier Dudley's says it quality that's the reason to upgrade to Windows 7, I agree.

Almost all reviews of the beta and RC have been about the quality of the OS. It's stability.

I'm going to relate quality to features, and coming from XP, I can see how the quality of the feature is the reason for me to upgrade. I won't "upgrade" the OS though, but buy a new computer.

@JamesNT: THIS WILL BE THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE DESKTOP!!!

Don't people say that every year but it's never the case?

@@de Silentio: The blog link always opens in a new tab for me, which I hate.

October 13, 2009 4:11 PM
 

redunion1940 said:

rr0de74@live.com

I've read the article most of his problems stem from driver problems because he doesn't know how to get Vista drivers haha, look at most of the comments a super majority disagree with him, heck I've installed Win 7 on a

Singe Core Athlon 64 2.4 GHZ

2GB machine, which is about 5 or 6 years old, upgraded from 1 GB to 2 and from a Sempron to the Athlon, when it was still on XP, in 2007 or 08.

Second System: Pentium IV  single core 3 GHZ Hyper-threading  1 GB system with just really old and really crappy Intel integrated graphics, Win 7 runs fine on it, though it ran on Aero basic but eh.

Third System: Built in December of 08 right before Win 7 beta which I would get

Athlon X2 5200+ 2.7 GHZ proc, 4GB of ram, a 9600 GSO GPU, and Win 7 ran like butter on this thing,

Fourth System: $379 Laptop

Athlon x2 2.0GHZ proc, 3 GB of ram, and a built in HD 3200 GPU, which is decent for integrated, runs aero fine and improved my battery life over Vista.

So I don't know what that guy was doing but I wouldn't trust his opinion.

October 13, 2009 4:13 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

rr0de74@live.com  said: "Windows is like a Cadillac, big and bloated with Aero bling, kind of like the gold trim on a Cadillac."

Ok! but OSX is not better with its skin!!! OSX Watery round button are atroce... OSX scrollbar too!!

Why is it correct for MacOS but not for Windows??

I just have to put Windows 7 GUI in front of OSX GUI and they are both bloated and shiny...

Do you really want a drab and ugly GUI on you computer?? Not me!!

October 13, 2009 4:14 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@redunion I agree with him in that if your machine runs XP or Vista just fine there is not reason to upgrade.  If you buying a new PC and you choose Windows, Windows 7 is the way to go.

I hope MS finally stops the XP roll back crap even through big vendors like Dell.

October 13, 2009 4:18 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@EricoF3 type your posts into this page in your native language.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

Then copy and paste here.  It hurts to read your posts.

October 13, 2009 4:20 PM
 

redunion1940 said:

For full disclosure rr0de74@live.com

I never used the upgrade function, because A. 3 out of the 4 systems couldn't do it because of XP and B. I know it is a terrible idea to upgrade from one OS to another, in all cases,

Mac OSX, Windows, Linux to a certain extent.

For average user, do not upgrade unless you have your tech guy doing it, just buy a new computer.

As for my OS of choice, Windows 98, 98 SE.

XP is good but 98 just offered more in customization than XP and 7 has brought that back. Off to boot win 98 from one of my many Virtual Machines.

October 13, 2009 4:25 PM
 

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October 13, 2009 4:31 PM
 

Backup77 said:

@waethorn O\T

Check out www.padus.com/.../discjuggler.php

or Nero 9. Are you multiple target DVD-Burners running at the same speed??

October 13, 2009 5:26 PM
 

FalKirk said:

"Win 7 is THE best OS ever released... Period. Even the Apple zealots and they're problem riddled Snow Leopard agree." -Crankenstein

If you're going criticize others, it would be best if you spelled the word "their" correctly before deriding "they're" problems.

October 13, 2009 5:28 PM
 

Backup77 said:

Windows 7 is solid across the board and the reasons for upgrade should sell itself.

October 13, 2009 5:32 PM
 

Backup77 said:

@waethorn

Check this out also.

http://www.swiftdisc.com/

October 13, 2009 5:35 PM
 

gadfly10 said:

Are you kidding me Ed Bott? - DRIVERS? Really?

He says: "hardware maker are keeping pace with the operating system and hardware."

Well gee now, I'd hope they're keeping pace. I mean they've had quite a head start seeing as Windows 7 is basically just Vista repackaged!

Come on.

October 13, 2009 5:55 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

These are all the same things that were said at the time about Vista. Look how that ended up.

October 13, 2009 6:11 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

rr0de

"@EricoF3 type your posts into this page in your native language.

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

Then copy and paste here.  It hurts to read your posts."

I was going to suggest the same for your posts with two exceptions:

1) I suspect your posts are painful a rational person to read for reasons that don't come from you posting in a non-native language

2) I'd advise www.microsofttranslator.com/Default.aspx for its better translation algorithms.

October 13, 2009 6:23 PM
 

cesjr said:

We use Vista at work - one thing I can't stand is that it won't reliably run two monitors.  Every 3 days or so, the video driver fails and the thing crashes to a total blue screen.  IT can't fix it - and I work for a large US gov't agency.  Their solution?  run only one monitor.  Does Windows 7 fix this?  Probably not, because the heart of the problem with windows is the myriad hardware is has to run on.  And of course Windows 7 does nothing about that.

October 13, 2009 7:22 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

LOL Mike.  I guess you like my posts because you are the furthest thing from "a rational person" on this site.  I would wager that more than 50% of the people that post hear would agree with me.  Easily.

To bad we cant setup a poll here.  Then again if we are asking for new features, I would put the "ignore" feature before the "poll" feature on my list.

I guess my Yahoo link is probably the same thing as the Bing link since Microsoft owns them both?  I think MS bought Yahoo, or gave them money to survive for a while, so they could say their search market share went up.  When really its MS taking over search for Yahoo.

October 13, 2009 7:36 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

rr0de

You probably don't realize it but rationality and logic aren't based on taking a vote among people who have the same biases you do. They're based on being able to provide a path to a conclusion based on facts.

I think you confuse having friends who tell you loudly and often that they agree with you with being accurate. Which does explain a lot.

October 13, 2009 9:21 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

rr0de

"I think MS bought Yahoo, or gave them money to survive for a while"

You mean the same way Microsoft gave money to Apple to help Apple survive for a while back when their computer market share dropped below their traditional 4%?

October 13, 2009 9:23 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

"It's always puzzling when otherwise sane journalists, who warn about using version 1.0, proclaim their love of a new OS and recommend BUY, BUY, BUY!"

If you note the prominent link to Paul's Windows 7 book, you might find his enthusiasms for Windows 7 less mysterious. OF COURSE, it's the best Windows ever, just like all the previous versions that he's made money from!

@Mike,

"Apple is a consumer electronics marketing company that produces computers because dropping out of that market would hurt their image."

No, Apple produces computers because they make about $13B/year selling them, roughly half their total revenue. But, sure, they just do it for image....

October 13, 2009 9:36 PM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

rr0de

"I hope MS finally stops the XP roll back crap even through big vendors like Dell."

Just to bring some facts to the equation, Microsoft has offered downgrade rights for many, many years - long before XP was even released.

When a corporation or government agency wants to upgrade 10,000 desktops they spend some time evaluating what needs to be updated and how to train users and lots of other things that make the move as painless as possible. If they want to buy 10 new computers after a new operating system is bundled they have a few choices:

They can immediately upgrade all 10,000 existing desktops so that all their users are on the same platform - an awful choice as discussed above.

They can have 10,000 users on one system and 10 on another - also an awful choice since now they've significantly upgraded their need for support and user training.

They can use their normal desktop image with the old version of the OS on it to downgrade the new computers until they're ready to migrate all 10,010 desktops. Microsoft's downgrade license lets them do this.

You see, it's called taking care of your customers rather than just telling them what they must do. A novel concept, perhaps, but a lot of how Microsoft got so successful.

October 13, 2009 9:39 PM
 

gadfly10 said:

Paul says: "It's nice to finally see Microsoft firing on all cylinders..."

Right. And I bet all those hapless T-Mobile/Danger customers are right now singing the praises of that well-oiled machine!

MICROSOFT CAN NOW CLAIM FAME FOR THE BIGGEST INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FAILURE EVER.

Woot!

October 13, 2009 9:45 PM
 

SPiotr said:

@galos

"You probably don't realize it but rationality and logic aren't based on taking a vote among people who have the same biases you do. They're based on being able to provide a path to a conclusion based on facts."

"Apple is a consumer electronics marketing company that produces computers because dropping out of that market would hurt their image."

October 13, 2009 10:18 PM
 

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October 13, 2009 10:25 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@Mike Microsoft really lets corporations use downgrade licenses????  Wow never knew.  Corporations take time to evaluate the true cost of migrating, including user training and training the IT people in charge of it?  Wow amazing.  You mean corporations take the time verify all of their applications and factor in the cost of having to either upgrade some apps, rewrite in house apps or move to a compatible app when migrating large numbers of computers from say XP to Windows 7???  Amazing stuff there and I have been there done that many times.  That is why I laugh at those on this board that promote rolling out Windows 7 the day it ships company wide.  They either work in a small company 1000 PC's or less or they dont work in IT at all.

However none of that stuff was what I was referring too.  In the past MS (or the hardware companies since MS does not sell PC's) sold both the new and old OS on PC's to consumers for a short time then stopped it and only went with the new OS.  Never had they allowed what we saw with Vista.  Time and time again they changed their minds because the consumer did not want Vista, and the hardware makers wanted to sell PC's with out it or have the ability to roll back.....for the consumer.  

IMHO XP should have been cut off to consumers at the end of 2007 or summer 2008 at the latest, like they said they would the 2nd or 3rd time.  Keep the downgrade rights for SA\corporate customers because its just too hard to move 60,000 + PC over to a new OS and really support it in a short time frame.

October 14, 2009 1:00 AM
 

Logjamming said:

@mikegalos@msn.com

And OSX usage increases largely in the weekends, whereas Windows falls off.

Why? Because when people have a choice at home, rather than the stuff they got shoved down their throat at their weekday offices, where Microsoft has made vendor lock-in deals to have them use want they don't want to use. It's plain and simple.

Windows sucks and you know it.

October 14, 2009 1:07 AM
 

mikegalos@msn.com said:

Logjamming

"OSX usage increases largely in the weekends,"

Yes, their parents let them stay up an hour later on the weekend.

October 14, 2009 1:29 AM
 

Logjamming said:

@ Mike

You mean Steve Ballmer's kids, who request iPods and iMacs at home?

Are you mean your parents?

October 14, 2009 1:43 AM
 

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October 14, 2009 2:28 AM
 

WazNeeni said:

What's with Louderback's crazy-a$$ review? He couldn't be more wrong.

louderback.com/.../windows-7-its-vista-all-over-again

October 14, 2009 2:44 AM
 

tayme said:

Regardless of some people's vast experience in the development world, it is obvious who is and is not a real world IT administrator working in a real world production environment.

Some people are just like the previous US President, in that they just keep making the same mistakes over and over again; while at the same time they are just like the current US President and let their arrogance and single-sightedness blind them from the fact that they really don't know what they are doing.

--tayme

October 14, 2009 6:31 AM
 

RobertC said:

Logjamming, the best thing to do with an iMac - apart from throwing it in the bin lest it die from overheating because Apple decided you don't need a fan - is to install Windows on it.

October 14, 2009 6:51 AM
 

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