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ah, so many non Microsoft OSs to scorn, so little time, eh Thurrott?

Yeah, if your first and second attempts to replace people's personal computers with dumb terminals fail, find some other power mad, billionaire control freaks to fund your third attempt.

Been there. Many, many times now.

Where are the posts about Microsoft being truly stung by the Windows Mobile ***-ups this week? Microsoft told you to stay away from the subject? Otherwise, if you were a serious "Microsoft blogger", you'd cover it.

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No, all we get here are cheap shots at Apple or Google. Or lame wanna-be posts correcting supposed stats about market share of anyone other than Microsoft. This blog jumped the shark the day it started.

BobbiJo

Wow. Getting so bad that you have to answer yourself to get anyone to bite at your trolling?

At least follow the lead of the other few MacHeads on here and get yourself several different logon IDs so you can tell yourself how brilliant you are without it looking quite so pathetic.

I'll be interested in seeing what comes of it.

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Here's some excellent footage of Bill 'Rain Man' Gates, being interrogated by FBI for yet another Anti Trust deposition.

Microsoft has no real software/hardware talent onboard and they never have, not since the late 80's. It's become a dinosaur and dinosaurs, well, go extinct.

And this Gates character is the one you fools trust to develop your computers software. Which really isn't his or MS software, but software developed/created by talented people.

It's a good thing MS is nearing the end of its life.

Wonder if they are doing this beacuse of the leak or the fact that Windows 7 launch day is nearing?

I'm kinda' looking forward to see what the Chrome OS is like, although I doubt it will get me to switch from Win 7, I don't think ANY OS can top it.

Why am I not surprised by this?

Seems to me that the Redmond is going to be ratcheting up all efforts on this one, anyone want to guess on the effort expended on that?

The interesting thing is that the Pax Romana of Microsoft is over. Even BeOS is making a rebirth as Haiku. Point being that there is are now clear alternatives to MS and Windows which by definition all those that tout choice on this site should be for. Seems to me that choice is supposed to be a good thing. Linux, Mac OS X, Haiku, Google OS... awesome.

You want to use Windows please continue to do so, there are now more and more people who choose something else or will have more of an opportunity to do so.

For me the analogy is very similar to Gandalf's speech about overthrowing Sauron, to a paraphrase:  "That we should wish to cast (Microsoft) down and have no one in (Microsoft’s) place is not a thought that occurs to (Microsoft’s) mind.

They see it (and many pro Windows supporters  as well) in terms of who would take their place? The answer: I don't want to see anyone take their place.

Oh yummy... with only the GoogleNet to go to with them looking over my shoulder all day and night and deciding what is good or bad for me.

Absolutely not! Not now, or ever! Not one shred of Google for me - not even a search. The way they refuse to anonymize searches and how they cross-correlate searches with all other data... just creepy and in my view, WRONG.

"Windows Mobile ***-ups this week"

What are you talking about?  Are you referring to the Sidekick, the proprietary OS and hardware produced by Danger and was purchased by MS, and who they now say that nearly all of the data that they thought may have disappeared is now back?  That has nothing to do with Windows Mobile, and Paul has covered the Sidekick debacle in depth.  So what screwup are you referring to?

It's kind of weird that Google is having a "launch party", much like MS is going to do.  Google seems to be pushing the fact that Chrome OS is "lightweight."  Win 7 is no slouch in that area, either.  I've been told (by a knowledgeable source) that when Win 7 was in development, the team leader made sure each build ran fine on his 4 year old laptop.  Now that's awesome.

What's news?? The Chrome OS will integrate a Javascript support... Or The shell over the Linux Kernel will be cute?

Or what? The ChromeOS will be the OS of the futur?? With a Linux kernel... lol noooo!!! Let me laugh lol

Come ooooon... Be serious please... Google can do better than this...

For all those who think Paul is paid by MS for writing raving reviews of their software/hardware, you will soon find out.

www.tomsguide.com/.../FTC-Blogger-Rules-Advertising-Reviews,news-4791.html

@ de Sllentio that law is pretty much toothless.  "stating that bloggers and online reviewers must disclose when they receive payment for a post or review"

I doubt Paul receives  money.  He probably gets exclusive access and help when writing his books.

It really depends on what that term "payment" means.

Now that guy that wrote that BS Apple Tax crap that MS paid for, would have to disclose that he was paid to write it by MS.

Its a good start.  Basically any review that is paid for by the owner of the product being reviewed would be an automatic NON read for me.  Now if they could make a requirement, so the article is tagged somehow, so something like NetNewsWire could be set to ignore it it would be great.  

If that were to take place, who knows I might not ever get another link for the Winsupersite in my NetNewsWire:)

@Paul This blog would be better without comments.  Just saying.

@MikeGalos

"Yeah, if your first and second attempts to replace people's personal computers with dumb terminals fail, find some other power mad, billionaire control freaks to fund your third attempt.

Been there. Many, many times now."

What in the heck are you talking about? Many, many times? Where are the examples?

Power mad billionaires? Like Gates, maybe? I mean, what company's OS runs the vast majority of PCs? Um, MSFT, maybe? How would any other company even come close to power mad than MSFT in the last two decades?

You like to look the other way I guess when you smell competition in the air. If you were so secure in your Windows world you would telling them to "bring it." Competition, for example, is what makes the WinMo platform look as pathetic as it does.

"BrightrevCarl said:

@Paul This blog would be better without comments.  Just saying."

No way, its the back and forth that makes this site interesting.

Without that its just Paul's highly slanted ranting about how great Microsoft and Windows are and how bad everything else is....

Blad

Some examples:

SUN's attempt to replace computers with SUNray terminals

Netscape's attempt to replace personal computers with Netscape Navigator browser devices

Oracle's attempt to replace personal computers with devices that would use Java as the native language.

These plans show up so often and fail so predictably (Funny how the executives pushing these schemes and their tame reviewers never quite feel the device is quite good enough for THEM to use - only for some group not up to their intelligence and sophistication) that I posted about it at mikegalos.spaces.live.com/.../cns!D67AAFB9181617CF!253436.entry

I just received an email announcing there are 95 new updates have been synchronized with my WSUS server.

90 f'ng 5!!!

This just means Windows will get even slower.

On the other hand, our Google Apps Premier service transparently rolls out updates with no disruptions, mandatory reboots, annoying messages. Ahhh, so much more relaxing....

@gadfy10

You do realise that those updates are not only for windows right ?

Anyway, Google chrome will not repace full blown desktop OS. It will be fairly limited.

As Mike already said, there are several big companies that attempted to get a big share of the desktop computer market, all have failed, and I very much doubt that google will succeed.

sjaak

I suspect that there's still quite an opportunity to get a good size share of the desktop market if a company would actually build a new, modern OS. Even with that it's an uphill battle but it'd be possible. The problem is that nobody has built a new desktop OS in years. Apple, IBM, SUN and others have tried and failed horribly. The WIndows NT kernel is the most modern one out there and it's getting older now. (Of course, it's vastly more modern than the *nix architecture systems like Linux or Mac OS X)

Now, what isn't likely is that users will give up their actual personal computer flexibility and privacy and replace all that with a terminal/server model. If ChromeOS is what it appears to be (a stripped down browser-only shell on top of a Linux distro) then it is yet another of those "give something simple to those stupid users" models that are the mark of centralized server companies' combination of both hubris and contempt for their users.

I guess we'll see which way Google goes. I suspect the latter but, hey, I could be pleasantly surprised by some actual new technology. I'd figure about 999:1 odds that it'll be "yet another terminal"

"our Google Apps Premier service transparently rolls out updates with no disruptions, mandatory reboots, annoying messages. Ahhh, so much more relaxing...."

Ah yes, so much more relaxing....

www.computerworld.com/.../Bugs_hit_Google_Docs_after_recent_upgrade

Speaking of which, ask Sidekick customers how much more relaxing it is after an upgrade.

I aprouved Mike on this one!

"our Google Apps Premier service transparently rolls out updates with no disruptions, mandatory reboots, annoying messages."

As would any hosted Exchange provider, or any service that is hosted for that matter.  That's the point, and that's why you pay for it.  Comparing it to your locally managed environment doesn't make any sense.

And I certainly remember that SUN slogan "the network is the computer."

"As would any hosted Exchange provider, or any service that is hosted for that matter.  That's the point, and that's why you pay for it."

....except for in the real world.

@waethorn:

Those hapless Sidekick customers were done in by what turned out to be the incompetence of Microsoft, not the cloud.

Microsoft practices discrimination!

The more I think on the pricing structure of Win7 I can’t help concluding Micro$haft is shafting the unschooled. Think of it – if one drops out of school or never attended university thereby not having access to a dot edu domain --> pays full price for 7?

Would not is imply both Waethorn and Mike are in fact bigots?

GO GOOGLE.

@dipsh t admin

You said: "Comparing it to your locally managed environment doesn't make any sense."

Sure it does. It doesn't matter if we're talking about email, web hosting or electrical power generation. The plus side of these services is still the same.

What distinct advantages over your competition is provided by doing something in-house? That's whats shrewd  management wants to know.

"thereby not having access to a dot edu domain --> pays full price for 7?"

Only current STUDENTS are eligible for the deal.  Even if you are alumni and still have a school e-mail address, you are not eligible.

"STUDENTS"

Was that a feeble attempt at humor or did you come down with yesterday’s rain?

"Those hapless Sidekick customers were done in by what turned out to be the incompetence of Microsoft, not the cloud."

It's an upgrade gone wrong.  To think that it doesn't happen in cloud computing is being naive.  Google had the same problem, and continues to.  I'm just putting it there to prove to you that cloud computing isn't any more stable or reliable than any other form of computing.

"What distinct advantages over your competition is provided by doing something in-house? That's whats shrewd  management wants to know."

#1 is control.

On-premise means that you are in control of your own data and environment (for good or otherwise - but that's up to your own competence).  What cloud computing provider gives you any say in upgrade windows or scheduled maintenance?  I'd bet the options are non-existant.  In your own environment, you get to make your own calls.

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"In your own environment, you get to make your own calls."  and all the possible and pain and cost of a migration.

Example - Hosted Exchange is not cheap but provided your vendor is competent, the upgrade to Exchange 2010 should be free and painless to you.  One day your mailbox is on a Exchange 2007 server, the next its migrated live to an Exchange 2010 server.

"Hosted Exchange is not cheap but provided your vendor is competent, the upgrade to Exchange 2010 should be free and painless to you."

You've just summed up every so-called promise that every hosting provider is hoping that you'll suck up.  In the real world, it never happens as easily as you would let on.

Ask people how well hosted Oracle updates go, or MySQL, or Lotus, etc., and you'll easily find users that are infuriated by delays, compatibility problems, and even data loss in some situations.

If you are large enough to have IT staff, proper facilities, proper backup (off site backup) for such things as an Exchange environment then you should host it on site.  Simply for privacy.

If you can afford that stuff because you are not large enough to make that investment, then Gmail Standard for your company is the way to go.

@miguelgalos: "At least follow the lead of the other few MacHeads on here and get yourself several different logon IDs so you can tell yourself how brilliant you are without it looking quite so pathetic."

As for looking pathetic, no one on here does it better than you do.

You guys have your heads in the sand. Windows Mobile is being dropped by phone makers, large problems in dev, no direction, and lagging behind the far superior iPhone. Windows Mobile is a mess.

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