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No thanks: I'll pass. This is just like the Windows 7 whopper: www.engadget.com/.../burger-king-selling-a-windows-7-whopper-in-japan

It doesn't even look nice on the outside, let alone on the inside.

But then again, comparing Windows with fast food is a pretty decent comparison by all standards: it's cheaper, less healthy, and more marketed than good food. Like apples.

We need to have a Useless Troll Of The Year award. Looks like robertsjoe has some competition in the "Will Find Anything To Troll About On Any Article" event.

I think our friends Logjamming and robertsjoe are in competition for the titles of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh of our site. He's so busy blogging the hate that if he actually went to any store, there were people patiently waiting for Windows 7. I saw a line outside of several Best Buy's, Fry's, and Microcenter this morning.

Just got back from Microcenter in Dallas and there were at least 25 people waiting patiently. Bought the first copy of Windows 7 at the store. As I was leaving, people were driving up smiling as I walked away with my copy of Windows 7.

I've been reading how Mac users are gonna buy Windows 7 too. I guess these guys are just afraid that Mac users will be sporting Windows 7 this year. But don't worry, Windows 7 welcomes Mac users, even the hardcore ones.

They are just mad because Snow Vista doesn't work the way it should. Probably they lost their personal data, suffering from incompatibilties, or some other flaw in OS-X 10.6. Well, thats two buggy version for Apple... Maybe 10.7 might get it right. Well, gotta start backing up and prep for my install. Its a great day to be a Windows User.

@ subzerohitman721

I'm glad you can finally do with your PC what I've been able to do for about 2 to 4 years.

I just hope your backup doesn't take a light years, like that nice bug in Vista would have you believe. Or that your drivers actually do work this time. Or that you can move your programs outside the screen without them actually sizing full screen without you wanting them to do that. Or that you can use the Aero interface to select a program that is latest in the Aero-tabs. Probably not, but I do like your enthusiasm.

Just make sure you don't say 'delete' or something too loud: your PC might accidently delete its files: news.bbc.co.uk/.../6320865.stm

Logjamming: Nice list of irrelevant, nonexistent, or downright wrong issues there. Also, grammers. Try not failing miserably in your next troll post.

This attempt: 2/10. Tsk tsk.

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Logjamming

You are the most annoying person on this blog. We know that you hate Windows and you love your Mac, so congratulations to you.

Either you add something to the conversation and be objective or just stop say the same thing over and over again. You really need to get a life.

Nice choice in the Windows ecosystem, unlike the pathetically bad choices from the resident Cupertinoans.

Check out those graphics options too!  Nice!  Unlike Apple, which went back on their previous commitment with NVIDIA, and now features the inferior Intel chipsets and ATI graphics with piss-poor selections.

That Mac Pro is just a joke now too.  No pro cards for a "pro" computer.  Sad.  Just sad.  OpenCL is dead at the gate and Apple is pulling the trigger.  Didn't anybody tell Jobs that he's not supposed to aim the starter gun at the horse?  Or his own foot?

BTW:  Nice pic:

blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer

;)

Waethorn

Major points for Paul and Rafael. Very cool.

Links to the products would've been nice.

Now is the time to buy a new PC. Not only will there be some nice deals on computers, but Windows 7 comes with the machine.

Win-Win-7!

Ha! I was wondering what mikie galos was talking about, then I saw the Kindle picture in Waethorn's link.

Nice!

I saw the webcast of the launch and saw the Kindle demo but don't remember if Paul and Rafael's book was feature.

Does anyone know if Paul will offer an autograph version of his book, like he did before with the Vista book?

The biggest problem with the launch that I've had so far is that Microsoft only gave System Builders 10 days (less if they wanted to sell ahead of time) to learn the OPK.  They launched it on October 12th.  10 days IS NOT enough time to learn it inside and out and actually use it in any level of production use.  That is frustrating.

We're not scripting any preinstall stuff yet or integrating drivers.  So far, we've only been able to integrate the support information, install in Audit Mode on a master PC, and then install everything manually on it before resealing it and duplicating the partition on target PC's.  We'd like to get a proper hard drive recovery option built, but that's going to take some time before we can fully test it and implement it.  Still, we're selling Windows 7 preloaded PC's.  The AMD Athlon II X2 and X4 PC's seem to be very popular.  We also have some low-cost Core i5/i7 PC's without the SLI/Crossfire (to reduce cost) and those will be our mainstream systems from here on out.  The AMD systems are SLIGHTLY slower, but they have a very good performance/value point, and having integrated Radeon HD 4200 is cheaper than having to front the money for a required video card in a Core i5 system.  Still, the NVIDIA platform offers CUDA and PhysX support, and is still faster, even if the customer gets a sub-$100 GeForce GT 220 1GB PCI-e 2.0 video card.

@ Waethorn

Just let me know when Microsoft themselves start developing hardware that does work (Xbox-failure wiki anyone?) or software that is innovative.

They may be even further behind in the blu-ray department than Apple is. My PS3 has had a blu-ray drive for some two years now.

About OpenCL: it's implemented, unlike WinFS and all the crap you were promised years ago. But I'm sure you're looking forward to 128-bits in the next Windows, right?

Like I said b4: you twats will undoubtedly believe Microsoft is able to create unicorns that *** gold and bring world piece when you are told.

LogJamming: Zune, Windows 7, Nice selection of third party software for blu ray (there's an app for that), DirectCompute. Thank you, try again.

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Planetarian.

Zune? You mean that music player that again proves Microsoft missed the boat entirely (like they did with the internet and online search), that only looks good when you're inside, but when you're outside, the OLED-screen makes it utterly useless. Is that the same music player that runs some sort of Windows, but where MS can't actually design it the fit 'Marketplace' to fit the screen? Is that the thing that is (typically Microsoft) imitative, but not innovative, and we are tempted to use 'Marketplac' (the 'e' won't fit on the screen, even though both its hardware and software are developed by the same company) with marketing stuff like this?

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow...was that really the best you could do?

"Just let me know when Microsoft themselves start developing hardware that does work"

Their mice, keyboards, and webcams are all better and cheaper than Logitech equivalents, and the Falcon version of the Xbox 360's (since they dropped the price to $299 for the Elite) seem to be just fine and dandy.

"They may be even further behind in the blu-ray department than Apple is"

Wrong!  Apple doesn't have the required encrypted media path in their OS, whereas Microsoft has had that in Vista for nearly the last 3 years.  You can buy a Blu-ray player/DVD burner combo drive for as little as $100 and have been able to for quite some time.  Apple doesn't have that option.

"About OpenCL: it's implemented"

Nobody's using it.  The best software writers are using CUDA directly, and then only on Windows.  OpenCL is going to be as unused as OpenGL in the real world (most 3D animation and CAD packages actually favour Direct3D over OpenGL now, because Direct3D is much easier to code for, supports newer rendering options much sooner, and it's also much faster on current hardware).

"it's implemented, unlike WinFS"

The technology of WinFS is in products like Windows Home Server, and SQL Server 2008, so you're wrong about that too.

Sorry, your points are not relevant, and are once again largely false. The Zune series is hardware that works, and works quite well, and it'd be ridiculous to deny that.

Meanwhile, you argue design with a designer? The Marketplace thing has been debated long and far, and if you don't see the point of it by now then you simply have no design sense. If they wanted it to fit they would've made it fit, and they chose to make it go beyond the screen boundary to reinforce the notion that the UI is designed to not be limited by screen boundaries. But chances are you understand this already and just want a popular subject to use to troll with.

As for OLED, it's still perfectly usable outside, even if visibility is lower than traditional LCDs, which are washed out and bland in comparison.

Is that the best counter you could come up with? screen visibility and design elements blown out of proportion? Either you're showing how bad you are at trolling, or you're finding there's not enough you can troll about. Either way, it's not like anyone takes you seriously to begin with. I simply couldn't resist calling out your weakest, emptiest troll session yet.

Memo to me: Make note of who I'm speaking to here. Above comment was directed at the article's resident troll.

"I saw a line outside of several Best Buy's, Fry's, and Microcenter this morning."

Did you really drive by all of those places?  Cough...bullshat....Cough.  Sad really.  Just back from lunch at the mega strop mall in my area, with a Bestbuy, NO lines.  I did not drive around to "several" others to verify.

"Bought the first copy of Windows 7 at the store. As I was leaving, people were driving up smiling as I walked away with my copy of Windows 7."

You should write harlequin romance novels, fiction of course.

@ Waethorn

That's because OpenCL hasn't been out that long. Furthermore, I got a panasonic blu-ray driver hooked up to my Mac right here. It works perfectly fine on SL, both playing and recording. As it did on Leopard. Unless you want to 'author' yourself when recording, OSX does a fine job.

But let me ask again: has microsoft released a blu-ray drive in their hardware yet? No, they haven't.

And WinFS isn't implemented, neither it is technology. Unless you consider NTFS some sort of magic WinFS.

@ Planetarian.

I could throw iPod marketshare in the discussion, but I'll just that to Mike. Btw: I do like how you bend a marketplacE failure into a 'design choice and some stuff about screen boundaries'.

You guys are certainly bending the rules whenever it favors you. Are you all Mike's adopted children?

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@Logjamming - Your posts are becoming more and more unreadable...you must be about to explode with anger and your typing and grammar skills are showing it. Go back to class now, study hall is over.

--tayme

some amazing deals here or you could buy an underpowered MacBook for $999 with a OS that has more compatibility issues for the devout  than usual. The good news is Win 7 will run fine on it no problem so at least you can get stuff done.

Log: No bending necessary, that's exactly how it is. If they wanted it to fit they would've just made it fit. All they'd have to do is change the font size, but they made a design decision to cut it off, akin to how various other things are cut-off throughout the UI. Again, you simply have no design sense. (Besides, if a cut-off 'e' is the worst of MS' problems, I have no worries whatsoever.)

Microsoft has not released a blu-ray drive in their hardware because they do not make PCs. Meanwhile, the PS3 uses blu-ray as its game format, so naturally it wouldn't be hard to make it play blu-ray movies. the 360 is getting a blu-ray addon soon as well, but it's not as necessary since 360 games don't use blu-ray.

Meanwhile, why is it that you iSheep complain so much about Paul using market share as evidence, yet you have no problem whatsoever using the same exact tactic when someone brings up the zune? Please. You and Paul are no different. Marketshare is meaningless when it comes to judging the quality of a product, to which I'm certain you would agree if we were talking about operating systems.

While we're on that subject, why are you even bringing up iPods? Is it because you have no relevant complaints about the Zune, that you have to fall back to market share? Are we sure Paul hasn't donned sheep's clothing to try and stir his audience?

Log: BTW, I don't know how you could've missed it, but there are plenty of PCs out there with blu-ray either built-in or as an option.

I'm actually pretty stoked because it seems that both Microsoft and Apple are on a level playing field now

Thanks to Win 7, both Windows and Mac OS X are pretty much on par when it comes to desktop operating systems. And no, mikegalos, I'm not talking about market share or usage numbers. I'm talking about ease of use and fit, finish, and polish (although I gotta say I'm still not keen on the new Win7 taskbar ... then again, I'm still not keen on the Mac Finder either).

I'm stoked because it's gonna take something really spectacularly HUGE from Apple or Microsoft (or hey, who knows, maybe some new company) to generate the kind of Windows 95-esqe buzz around computer operating systems.

I'm pretty excited to see what the next big thing is going to be :)

"It works perfectly fine on SL, both playing and recording. As it did on Leopard. Unless you want to 'author' yourself when recording, OSX does a fine job."

Sorry, but you can't play any Hollywood flicks at 1080p without encrypted data path.  Apple doesn't support that.  Not in Leopard, and not in Snow Leopard.  Windows Vista was and still is the only operating system on the market that supported that.  That is, until Windows 7.

"WinFS isn't implemented, neither it is technology"

Wrong.  Single-instance storage and redundancy technology was a pillar of WinFS.  That technology is in Windows Home Server.  Instantly-indexable and searchable database storage of document and user data - that's in SQL Server 2008.

Logger: "I just hope your backup doesn't take a [sic] light years"

Light Years is a distance, not a measure of time.

de Slientio

"Light Years is a distance, not a measure of time."

Maybe he was talking about really, really, really offsite backup?

de silentio

What's he backing up, an iPhone?

I guess it's time to mention that I have a $399 Vista laptop that does everything I need. I can play a DVD while playing an online game with MS Word open. Not even a hiccup. It will be a year old in a couple weeks. I can't wait to see that $599 ACER with a 7 hr battery with Win 7.

DRAM

Acer's have been great deals for a long time. Its time to buy my daughter a new laptop and they are high on the list.

(I offered her a Mac) she's done with them since her last one spent more time with the "Genius" than at home.

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