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"Over 80% of Mac users told Microsoft that they would recommend Windows 7."

Great! ... Has we can see, Not all Mac user are Trolls!!! Some are realist!!

<More than a billion people around the world ARE FORCED TO use Windows every day>

<Over 80% of Mac users told Microsoft that they would recommend Windows 7.>

This is probably from the same data show MS used to show IE8 is the best browser in the world. It's not by a long shot.

Using 2k people to infer what millions are saying isn't plausible, not even with

prospensity weighting and random sampling.

But then again: Microsoft has about as much knowledge about doing valid research than about designing software. Virtually none. Which is perhaps a good thing, because Microsoft users aren't really the smartest people on the planet.

I do love the Windows 7 launch party bag and napkin.

Nobody in 2009 is forced to use any OS. Just because businesses after doing comprehensive stuides choose to use Windows, that's just Apple not doing its part to get its OS business ready or properly written/approved for U.S. Government use. Is that really Microsoft's fault that Apple doesn't do what's necessary to be attractive to business? Of course not.

If people haven't figured out by now about the many different flavors of Linux, then that's just lack of research. I find most folks have probably dabbled at Linux at least once, but just end up not liking it.

Just like most people love Apple products, but don't feel like paying the Apple tax. They realise they can do more for less. Well, maybe Apple folks can do more when they fix Snow Vista.

@ subzerohitman721

Sure: OSX usage increases largely in the weekends. Guess why? Right. Because they do have a choice and really don't want to use Windows.

Oh, and for the Apple Tax

www.dell.com/.../pd.aspx

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Just as expensive as an iMac. Oh, but without the 27" screen. And iLife.

But if you're a happy chappy eating fastfood, be my guest.

"Sure: OSX usage increases largely in the weekends. Guess why? Right. Because they do have a choice and really don't want to use Windows."

Do you have the numbers to back that up Logjamming?

"Sure: OSX usage increases largely in the weekends. Guess why? Right. Because they do have a choice and really don't want to use Windows."

You are contradicting yourself again. One time you said people are forced to use Windows and another time you say because people are free to choose to use Mac.

I have Mac and I will tell you something, I choose to use Windows.

" OSX usage increases largely in the weekends. Guess why? Right. Because they do have a choice and really don't want to use Windows."

I think if you looked, all HOME computer usage increases on the weekends.  Why?  Because people are HOME.  Since Mac has a higher % of market in home users than businesses, this isn't earth shattering.

""Sure: OSX usage increases largely in the weekends. Guess why? "

My guess: Because they aren't in school all day and their parents let them stay up late.

I have a mac too. And I also choose to use Windows 7!!

I have a Mac and I choose to use Windows 7 : )

@subzero you statements are full of bs all of the time.

"Nobody in 2009 is forced to use any OS. Just because businesses after doing comprehensive stuides choose to use Windows, that's just Apple not doing its part to get its OS business ready or properly written/approved for U.S. Government use."

Seriously do some fact checking.  OS X is used by the US government and military.

www.forbes.com/.../apple-army-hackers-tech-security-cx_ag_1221army.html

www.securitysystemsnews.com

Let me ask you this.  Can I go into Bestbuy today and get one of those cheap PC notebook deals they have running with out Window 7?  Can I get say Vista, XP or Ubuntu on it?  If I dont want Windows 7 and just a blank hard drive will they lower the price even further for me?  Forced might not be the exact word but its close.

@ Mike

Same comment, so same reply: you mean Steve Ballmer's kids, who ask him for iMacs and iPods?

That's some CEO fruitcake, jumping around yelling 'developers developers developers' and 'I love this company', when in fact even your own kinds don't want to use your products.

Unless, like you do with your 'customers', wrangle them in gridlock contracts.

Microsoft is laughable. It really is.

www.gcn.com/.../GCN-Lab-Review-Windows-7-Vista-by-another-name.aspx

Windows 7 is a good operating system with a lot going for it. And it’s stable.

But it’s not really anything new. We hate to be the reviewers who say that the emperor has no clothes, but there’s so much hype surrounding W7 that most people are probably expecting an entirely new operating system. What they will find is an improved version of Vista, with the same warts and flaws and a few improvements. That’s really it.

It’s hard to justify paying $319 for the Ultimate edition — or any price really — to get snap windows, the ability to shake your mouse and slightly improved performance with USB drives.

If Microsoft had come out with a free service pack to Vista and called it “Windows 7” it would be one thing. But we just don’t see enough of a change to warrant the purchase of an entirely new operating system. Windows XP Service Pack 2 changed that operating system a lot more than moving from Vista to W7 will.

So if your computers are running XP and everything works fine, there is no need to jump to W7 right away.

Microsoft and Windows 7 rocks. The death of crApple is near.

Do we yet know whether it will be possible to do a truly CLEAN install using an upgrade edition?  

Logjamming:  No one SHOULD go pay $319 for a new, retail, Ultimate Edition.  This is the worst possible case which almost no one will need to do  Virtually all home users shouldn't need more than the Home Premium edition, and most of those are eligible for an upgrade edition which is slightly more than $100.  If they're upgrading 3 systems, it will be possible to get it for $50 each by buying a family 3 pack.  If you're buying a single copy, you may even consider an OEM for $99.  Citing the ridiculously most expensive possible version as why most shouldn't upgrade isn't realistic.  For $50-100 per copy, it probably is reasonable for many to upgrade.

For those of you who missed seeing the Windows 7 launch keynote live a couple of hours ago, it's now available on demand.

www.microsoft.com/.../default.aspx

A couple of hilights:

A Windows 7 Dell XPS laptop acting as a media hub for 16 media devices including computers, picture frames, HD TVs and home audio devices using Play To starting at 29 minutes in

The HUGE array of very cool Windows 7 computers in lots of form factors starting at 39 minutes in

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Based on the amount of posts and the foul language, I would say that Logjamming is at least a little concerned about his precious platform losing some luster.  Even Mossy agrees that Windows 7 is good.  I guess Justin Long is widening his job search to include B-movies to put his "acting" talents to use now that he won't be in any more Apple commercials, since they have nothing for him to say anymore.

It's funny that you claim that we Windows users just tote the corporate line, when you come in here, to a Windows site, and just spit out the Mac talking points.  There probably is a special login that members of the iCabal has on the Apple site to get their daily marching orders.

"Windows XP Service Pack 2 changed that operating system a lot more than moving from Vista to W7 will."

That's laughably incorrect.

While the rest of you stumble over each other in your "my d!ick is bigger than your d!ck" arguments, I'd like to say "Congratulations!!!" to Microsoft and the team for releasing W7!

--tayme

I own multiple mac systems, innumerable ipods and iphones, apple tv, etc. But, after having used them for a while, i am moving over to Windows 7 and slowly getting off the mac eco system (primarily due to the mess that is iTunes and apple's shoddy support for their bug-ridden s/w). hainv used Windows 7, it's media center (with netflix support), multitouch and tablet support, i feel that windows offers the best computing experience today...

but again, a computer is just a tool and you use whichever works best for you!

cheers

That part with the kid and Balmer made me ill.  Maybe they can replace Kate + 8 on the Toddler Labor Channel.

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Logjammin loosing it on launch day (again).

I guess Snow Leopard was worse than we thought,( feel the bitterness.)

I know no one who is forced to use anything on their home computer, they can download a free OS that's adequate anytime they want. If your employer uses Windows quit if it bothers you so much.

Microsoft should be proud of Windows 7 it turned out great and they did a great job of getting the Beta's and release candidate out for everyone to see and try. Maybe if Apple had let more people try Snow, it wouldn't have had so many compatibility issues. Of course they would have shown everyone just how insignificant the release was, they only way they could hype it was to keep it secret.

@logjamming - "because Microsoft users aren't really the smartest people on the planet."

And your facts to back this statement up?  Exactly.  Like most of your posts, it's an opinion based on nothing, making it's value meaningless.  Please quit trolling.

Does anyone yet know if it is possible to use the Win 7 upgrade media to clean install on top of Win 7 RC?  I'd rather not reinstall Vista HP OEM crapware then upgrade.  Clean install would be great.

mikegalos@msn.com  said:

""Sure: OSX usage increases largely in the weekends. Guess why? "

"My guess: Because they aren't in school all day and their parents let them stay up late."

BADUM TISH!

Or it could be because almost all Business and Government users are indeed forced to use Windows during work hours. Then approximately 5-10% of those users go home and use Macs or some other OS. Like me for instance. Windows XP at work, Mac, Wii or Ubuntu at home.

subzerohitman721  said:

"Nobody in 2009 is forced to use any OS. Just because businesses after doing comprehensive studies choose to use Windows, that's just Apple not doing its part to get its OS business ready or properly written/approved for U.S. Government use. Is that really Microsoft's fault that Apple doesn't do what's necessary to be attractive to business? Of course not."

At least with regards to Government use this is a very broad and off base generalization. The Government years ago fully acknowledged that despite security risks inherent to Windows it was an acceptable risk for compatibility with the general computing public. The WinXP is heavily modified for use on almost all Government desktop/laptop/workstations right down to having home page choice for IE locked out and desktop backgrounds being locked. Contrary to generally held belief Macs are found in Government computing environments sometimes in higher percentages than in the general computer buying public. It has nothing do with Apple or Microsoft getting the 'OS business' ready. Most Government computer buying decisions are based primarily on price. PC's just cost less especially when bought in bulk numbers. Of course that's true with everything the Government buys. Probably explains a few things.

I do have one question for those more familiar with Windows 7. Why does MS insist on multiple versions that deny what are really critical features to its largest user base? Home Premium doesn't have BitLocker, WinXP mode, Media Center, Applocker, File System Encryption, or DirectAccess. By most estimates Home Premium will be the most purchased edition by consumers so why not give them these great utilities? In today's increasingly mobile society an unencrypted Laptop or Thumb Drive is begging for trouble!

They need to pare down their OS selections to 7 Starter, 7 Basic, and Ultimate. Essentially home users have to choose between 3 versions which is ridiculous. There should just be one and if users don't want to use a feature like Bitlocker they just won't. It doesn't hurt anything to leave it there.

@Shinny

Home Premium has Media Center, Bitlocker is okay True Crypt is just as good and its free.

That said I think there's too many versions. I don't know too many people who encrypt anything but your right more should. I think most people see the need for Government or enterprise to encrypt but most home users never will.

My question: where was Mike Galos and Paul at during this happy event at the Apple...er...Microsoft Store in Scottsdale?

www.youtube.com/watch

Do they sell anything besides MSFT products? PCs, even? If so, who gets the profits? MSFT or the manufacturer? Just asking, because from my vantage point it's either an expensive PR stunt or an attempt at copying Apple. Either way it's huge money loser. No way they will be making a profit, in retail, selling other people's PCs, in a recession. No way.

But as Steve Ballmer always tells himself: "Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. Market share. "

*crickets*

Blad

"My question: where was [sic] Mike Galos and Paul at [sic] during [the opening of the] Microsoft Store in Scottsdale?"

Well, respectively, we were 3 miles from Microsoft Campus and in New York City.

Thank you for asking.

Boil all these numbers down to one fact:

Microsoft desperately needed to wash the bad taste of Vista out of everyone's mouth.

We've never seen so much hype over what amounts to a damage control service pack.

These facts tell you nothing. McDonald's have impressive sales of burgers, yet it's still mediocre (at best). Lots of big numbers for an inferior operating system, thanks for the pointless post.

"Over 80% of Mac users told Microsoft that they would recommend Windows 7."

This is the dumbest thing I've read on this blog. And there are lots to choose from.

"This is the dumbest thing I've read on this blog. And there are lots to choose from. "

90% of them were comments made by robertsjoe and his ilk.

Check out just how pathetic Microsoft are.

www.youtube.com/watch

They copied everything about the Apple store. Really, truly, utterly pathetic.

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I can't wait for a Microsoft Store to open up near me in Cardiff now. It looks exciting :D

The dumbest thing I read on this blog or many like it are pathetic Mac fanboys who are so bored with their own meaningless lives that they troll Windows blogs to attempt to get some sense of satisfaction.

Real Mac users are content to enjoy their platform and use it for productive means.

Take Alex Lindsay from Pixelcorps, he loves his Macs and talks about them on MacBreak Weekly yet just recommended a Zune HD for his "pick of the week".  He calls it as he see;s it. Most of the time he prefers anything Apple, but he's adult enough to admit that even Microsoft does things right sometimes as well. Most people including Mac users which I've been myself, see a pretty impressive OS in Win 7. The touch features in the new OS surpass anything else on the market and will lead to some real hardware innovation in the near future.

This post was mentioned on Twitter by WinObs: Windows 7 Launch Day Facts - http://bit.ly/47gKst

Anyway, to skip on the Mac fanatics, thanks for a link to launch event, gonna watch it now.

And I agree - congratulations to MS team for this wonderfull new OS. Been using it 100% at home since beta, and 100% at both home and office since final was posted on MSDN. No complaints!

Well, one complaint, that VT is requirement for XP mode, as our local-internal-patched-up-6-y-old-app isn't 100% stable on Win 7. But since I dislike that app on XP as well, and use it 99% just to enter my working hours, I don't give a damn :D

Apple isn't even a choice for me, and XP turned out to be no competition for Win 7, so ... seems like Windows 7 is all I need, all I want, and all I'll use from now on ;)

Cheers! And stop fighting people, just use what you want, and let others use what they want. We all know that _outside US_ 99% of people use Windows, and they'll all slowly (but surely) move to Windows 7 and not to Apple OSX ;)

whiplash55 said:

@Shinny

"Home Premium has Media Center, Bitlocker is okay True Crypt is just as good and its free."

My Bad! Misread the edition breakdown!

"They copied everything about the Apple store. Really, truly, utterly pathetic."

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but MS is still the band geek trying to fit in with the cool kids. It ain't gonna happen just because they stopped shopping at the Salvation Army Thrift Store and bought a cool pair of jeans. Lipstick on a pig, baby.

I see Apple has three new ads out. You know I get the feeling Apple might actually be a little concerned about Windows 7.

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