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Funny.  I went to cashback.bing.com and saw "Jack Black Cologne"....

You know, for when you want to smell like a skeezy, overpayed, no-talent "musician"/"actor"....

:P

I like how Paul was gleeful that Murdoch may de-list his news content from Google [according to his own biases that have no base in technology] but now it's emerged that Bing may pay Murdoch to de-list.  That had to be a hard pill for Thurrott to comprehend swallowing.

I wonder if Dell is gonna beat that HP laptop that BestBuy is going to be selling for $200.

"now it's emerged that Bing may pay Murdoch to de-list"

Murdoch wants to be compensated for it, and Bing is willing to pay for an exclusivity license?  So?

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Bing is still such a stupid name. I don't give a crap what anyone says. It's laughable.

I say let Microsoft host Murdoch's content.  That way when you want to lookup up, HATE, you can go to Bing.  Or maybe some RIGHT WING bias/fear mongering as well.

OT @Wae the friend was looking to pay just over $4000 for SBS 2008, 10 users, new Dell server and implementation costs.  There was an option for 10 copies of Office 2007 as well, increasing the price even more.  Plus they wanted him to move into a support contract.

The main concern was that the 5 year old Dell server was out of disk space (not easily expandable) because of email and files.  SBS 2003 was only really used Email, a single group file share, a print server for 2 networked printers, and Quickbooks Enterprise.

Quickbooks and Email are moved to the cloud and disk space is now not a concern.  (email was almost 40% of that disk space) The environment is simpler, so even less need for a support contract.  He saved a lot going with Google.  They are testing out storing the storing of documents on Google, its a user training issue, so they may use it at some point.

Microsoft's desperation in creating and promoting bing is just ridiculous. Remember, WinJihadists, when you were all up in arms about schools sponsoring field trips to Apple stores (which, parenthetically, is a GREAT idea, since Apple is the most successful retailer on the planet), and you accused Apple of indoctrinating our youth?

How does THIS crap sit with you?

www.businessinsider.com/microsofts-video-of-school-children-singing-the-bing-jingle-is-absolutely-terrifying-2009-10

Microsoft should be ashamed, and so should every administrator at that so-called "school" for   w h o r i n g  themselves out like that.

"the friend was looking to pay just over $4000 for SBS 2008"

Too high of a quote.

"There was an option for 10 copies of Office 2007 as well, increasing the price even more."

Should buy those with PC's to save money.  Software Assurance is a good option if you want to keep the PC's a long time, otherwise just upgrade with new OEM versions on new PC's.

"Plus they wanted him to move into a support contract."

So the company isn't having anyone manage their desktop security and server maintenance?  FAIL!

If they don't have an in-house IT person, they should have someone to call for IT issues.  Obviously your buddy is looking at putting a deployment option in place and walking away from it.  Wow.  That's just poor business.

Managed services is what SBS is based on.  Minimal services can include things like getting the monitoring emails sent to you, as an MSP, and contacting someone within the business should something not be working 100%.  You know, something that takes minimal work, but gives you options for recurring revenue streams.

"The environment is simpler, so even less need for a support contract.  He saved a lot going with Google."

Obviously not, for paying $500/yr for something they could get for free.

" They are testing out storing the storing of documents on Google, its a user training issue, so they may use it at some point."

Meanwhile, they're wasting money paying for something that they're not using.

Too many of these cloud advocates come along, look at the simplicity of the deployment, and not at the solution for the customer, get a quick payout by Google after minimal work, and walk away.  This sounds awfully familiar, you know, like the way the internet worked in 2000 before the bust.

Thanks for the humor guys. Let me suggest some decaf and a very Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

Later!

"Microsoft should be ashamed, and so should every administrator at that so-called "school" for   w h o r i n g  themselves out like that."

See and of course, we know which side of the fence you're sitting on losta.

Where was the "w" word when the topic was Apple?

What did Apple actually give to the class at the time?  Microsoft gave them computers and training.  Apple gave them a timeshare meeting.

OH, and congratulations on being the first poster to bring up Apple on a non-Apple-related article.

Here's a list of retailers and their CB %: discoverbing.com/.../merchants.html

Seems the 35% is only AT&T and T-Mobile. 10% at Walmart is decent.

Microsoft is going to pay Murdoch to de-list with Google and then pays users to use Bing instead of Google.

Apart from how pathetic this is, someone needs to explain the clever business model concealed within these apparently ridiculous actions.

Of course, Bing is in trouble, so I guess throwing some cash away is a last ditch attempt to salvage it:

www.appleinsider.com/.../web_search_statistics_show_bing_stagnant_google_growing.html

Some of his users have over 10gig of email, so they are paying for at least the 25gig per user, plus calendar sharing, plus using their own domain.  Plus with the Premium version of Google Apps you get full control over Postini for your domain.  With the standard free version you are protected by Postini but you can change any of the settings, cant even view the dashboard for your domain.

I roughed out that SBS2008 quote, it was not overly high, that is with labor included.  The licenses alone are about $1500.  A server with enough disk space, quad core and 12gigs of RAM was close to 2K from Dell.  The solution did not include a on site Anti-mailware solution or a service like Postini.

I wonder how you SBS guys are going to fair in the future against the cloud.  Even MS is cutting into your action with their hosted Exchange/Sharepoint/LCS.  There are lots of businesses that dont even need office space theses days because cloud offerings.

Wow, Wae. I figured there was a limit to the stupid Microsoft actions you'd defend, but I guess not. Unbelievable.

"The solution did not include a on site Anti-mailware solution or a service like Postini."

Microsoft Forefront Client Security for desktop PC's:  $12.72/pc/year (necessary regardless - add 1 for each server too)

Microsoft Forefront for Exchange:  $15/user/year

"I roughed out that SBS2008 quote, it was not overly high, that is with labor included.  The licenses alone are about $1500.  A server with enough disk space, quad core and 12gigs of RAM was close to 2K from Dell."

Too high.  You could've used a Xeon Nehalem 3300 series quad-core, put in 8GB of RAM, and used an Intel RAID-5 card with enterprise SATA for WELL less than $1500.  OEM software is where you save with SBS2008, and it comes with 5 CAL's already.  You only have to buy an additional 5 CAL's.  A 5-pack costs $385.  If the company isn't using an LOB that requires SQL Server, you'd be hard pressed to convince me that anything more than 8GB is required for SBS for so few users.  If they do use an LOB, you could've used your existing server for that.  You only need SBS Premium for SQL Server, or if you want to virtualize under Windows Server 2008 Standard (you save money that way), or you already have licensing for other OS's, you can easily virtualize under Hyper-V server for free, save on SBS Premium, and run your legacy OS on the same box.  All in all, an SBS 2008 box costing $2000 would last an estimated 6 years (maybe longer) with little hardware maintenance, and the company would have total control over the network infrastructure with a very inexpensive managed service contract, which is still far cheaper that what is offered by Google at $500/year.  Besides that, you didn't take into account the training costs of switching people over to Google.  Obviously they are used to using locally-running apps.  Upgrading their server wouldn't change any of their routine (and the part about having to upgrade to Office 2007 is a laugh, since you can easily use even Windows XP and Office XP computers on SBS 2008).

Obviously you didn't do your homework.

"I figured there was a limit to the stupid Microsoft actions you'd defend, but I guess not. Unbelievable."

And I figured you would've changed your double-standard....well, actually no I didn't.

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