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iPad: The Morning After

I have to believe that even the most diehard Apple fanatics are feeling a bit disappointed this morning. Indeed, Apple's biggest blunder with the iPad, perhaps, is that the device wasn't available for sale immediately. They could have sold millions on the first day. But now, with customers forced to wait until they can even pre-order the thing, I do believe some semblance of common sense will prevail. That is, many people who would have otherwise just ordered the thing immediately will now likely wait and see what happens.

If you're among that crowd, good for you. Seriously. You've made the right choice.

We are collectively seized by a gadget-of-the-moment mentality right now, both the people in the industry and those who follow along. And as this moment passes, you have to ask yourself: What do I need this thing for? (You also have to ask yourself: Why do I trust people who do nothing more than recommend gadget after gadget to me? Are these expensive devices really useful?)

The answer, of course, is that no one needs the iPad. No one. And that is the problem.

With an iPhone, you can at least make the argument that everyone needs a phone. And it's something you can carry along in your pocket, so it's a no-brainer, assuming you can afford the hefty two-year financial commitment that accompanies any smart phone.

And most people need PCs. No, almost no one needs Macs, but I do get that certain people feel like they're getting a certain level of quality there, absolute. They're nice machines. But regardless of your choice in vendor, PCs are necessary for many.

With the iPad, we're in a weird gray area, that place between smart phones/multi-function portable devices (like the iPod touch) and notebook PCs. And to Apple's discredit, this gray area has been tried before, most successfully (very successfully) with the netbook. But also with a new class of netbook-type machines running smart phone OSes (like Android) called smart books. The iPad is simply Apple's play for this part of the market. They weren't here first, and they don't even appear to offer the most compelling solution.

At least with a netbook, you can make the argument that it's a PC. It doesn't run weird iWork apps, it runs Office. So you could get work done.

There are also tablet-based netbooks. That also run Office. That also run the touch-based Amazon Kindle app, and the New York Times Reader app, which is exactly like The New York Times iPad app that Apple showed off yesterday. Well, there is one difference: It first appeared over three years ago. It's not new.

Hey, these netbooks also run iTunes. So if all you're looking for is a first class way to access Apple's content and you're looking for 10 hours of battery life... yeah, it's already here. And it gets work done too. Win-win, right?

I think there is a weird euphoria that descends over gadget lovers when something like the iPad (or Zune HD, or HTC HD2, or whatever) is announced. But then it fades just as quick.

And while I will get and review an iPad--it's what I do--I just don't feel the same immediacy here that I did with the iPhone. It just isn't a game changer. It's not something I can recommend sight unseen. In fact, I feel curiously uneven about this thing. And suspicious of those who are broadcasting the opposite the loudest. Very suspicious.

What we're left with here is a device that isn't necessary and doesn't really change anything. It's a front-end for Apple's e-commerce engine, and nothing more. And if you were looking for yet another way to spend money on Apple products, well, Steve Jobs has a solution for you. But if you have a bit of common sense, I'd sit back and wait this one out for now. Because there are already better solutions for what this device does. And I'm curious that Apple, for a change, didn't actually raise the bar in any obvious way.

Comments

 

rr0de74@live.com said:

"Indeed, Apple's biggest blunder with the iPad, perhaps, is that the device wasn't available for sale immediately."

WinMO 7 announced next month, but you wont be able to get it unti....October, November?

In the time between yesterday and the time you can get the iPad there will be several third party announcements.  The Tech press will cover it and the hype will build.  More people will want it.  A good example of that 1 day later...

iCall www.prnewswire.com/.../apple-lifts-3g-voip-restrictions-icall-with-3g-support-available-immediately-82842957.html

Make calls with your iPad over you unlimited data plan.

Please cover something Windows/Microsoft.  Your obsession with Apple and wanting it to fail is not only boring but always wrong.  If you were an analyst covering Apple you would be out of a job with your prediction success rate.

January 28, 2010 8:10 AM
 

DRWAM said:

That's it in a thoughtful dialog. My personal needs for work require the use of IE for an third party ActiveX control, as well as a VPN for Citrix apps. Absolutely necessary and an XP netbook does it, but iPad and smartphones do not.

A mobile office does have limited use for me, so iPad can work here, but it would seldom be needed.

PIM is on my phone. Ready access to email, messaging and my calendar is on almost every phone, and the phone is a needed every day tool, so the iPad cannot replace it.

Although I don't really listen to music, the iPhone or any XP netbook works.

The iPad falls way short of the require tools that many of us need. But it would make a nice gift for many, especially spoiled teens.

January 28, 2010 8:15 AM
 

fzanes said:

They should have added more unicorn tears...or at least a USB port.

What are the odds that we see an ad for it during the Super Bowl?  Who will be the celebrity that they will try to market it with and make it look cool?

January 28, 2010 8:22 AM
 

evgenij said:

Very well written, Paul.

January 28, 2010 8:29 AM
 

lehenbauer said:

I think it's awfully early to write the thing's obituary without having even held it in your hands.  (You haven't used it, have you?)  Time will tell if you are right or you are wrong.

I think Apple looked at what most people use laptops for and targeted that.  They don't expect heavy app-using laptop users to buy it, although many will simply out of curiosity.

I remember the first Slashdot article about the original iPod.  Said it sucked.  I think it will sell millions and people will for the most part be happy with it.  I will buy if the virtual keyboard works well.

January 28, 2010 8:37 AM
 

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January 28, 2010 8:37 AM
 

maati said:

I can tell you what the problem with the iPad is:

Usually, every new Apple product delivers something new, something unique. The iPhone was old technology with a new user interface. The MacBooks are just laptops, but in an Aluminium case with a stunning trackpad. Every Apple product usually brings something new to the table.

The iPad doesn't. Not one single thing. We've seen slate PCs of the exact same shape before and we've seen mobile internet devices running Windows CE or Android long before. So nothing new here.

Well, if the iPad doesn't bring anything new, it must at least be better, right? No, not at all. When you look at the devices that have been available before, you'll discover that there's lots of them that are better than the iPad in almost every area. Look at the Archos 9 PCTablet: It mustitasks, it lets you take handwritten notes, it lets you enjoy the real internet, it supports every type of news or book reader application. Besides the battery life, there's really almost no drawbacks, but lots of advantages. And when you go on long trips, nothing stops you from carrying another battery.

And that's just one example.

They declared this thing "magical" and "revolutionary". Truth is, it can't even beat the stuff that's already been available for years. That's not magic, that's disappointing.

By the way, look at this: www.youtube.com/watch

Add a digitizer to this, install OneNote, and you have what a tablet really should be. Almost the Microsoft Courier, which would really be the ultimate tablet device.

The iPad is just disappointing and it's one of very few Apple products that bring absolutely nothing new to the table and can't even beat products that have been existing for years.

January 28, 2010 8:41 AM
 

maati said:

It doesn't qualify as a tablet, because it lacks a digitizer. As an ebook reader, it is too heavy. It neither replaces my Latitude XT2, not my Sony PRS-505.

It's useless.

January 28, 2010 8:46 AM
 

darreldavis said:

Paul, this is a good commentary I agree with, mostly.  Yesterday I was sure I would get  an iPad the very day I could.  This morning I'm pretty sure I won't get one at all.  At least not until later versions.  I wish they hadn't based it on the iPhone OS (which is an awesome OS

for a phone, not for a computer).

This does, however, leave a sizable hole in my device plans since I've been needing a device that does some of this stuff.  I held off for Apple's announcement.  I'm a developer and have switched to buying all of my (too many) technical books electronically , mostly pdf.  I've been thinking of a Kindle DX for this but somehow it leaves me cold, it's a little too limited.  I do like the Kindle app on the PC. a lot.

I'll look for info on the tablet based netbook you mentioned and the smartbooks.  At least I could dual boot (Windows/Linux) so I can get some work done as well as play.

January 28, 2010 8:48 AM
 

runner7775 said:

I assume that there will eventually be flash for the browser, because it makes no sense to have a big screen like that and not be able to view all that websites have to offer.

January 28, 2010 8:52 AM
 

DarrenRichie said:

Paul has said what most people who aren't obsessed with Apple are thinking. What is thepoint? What problems does having this device solve for me? None. It is pointless. Choose a laptop and/ or a phone, not something that meets neither of these needs. The Apple geeks will obviously find something to say about it, I mean how can they accept that an Apple product has no use?

January 28, 2010 8:54 AM
 

DRWAM said:

Dude1313 enlightens us a little. I suppose that my wife would rather have a smaller phone than the iPhone, and perhaps keep the iPad 3G in her purse when she needs it's limited functions., using the limited $15 250MB /month ATT subscription/contract. The bigger size would be better for her eyes, and the plan less expensive than her seldom used iPhone plan at $30/month.

However, wouldn't you think that the 3G model would be LESS expensive because of a subsidy from ATT? Maybe it will drop in price in a few months too ;)

January 28, 2010 9:03 AM
 

Mirek2 said:

"At least with a netbook, you can make the argument that it's a PC. It doesn't run weird iWork apps, it runs Office. So you could get work done."

Have you tried iWork? It's pretty compatible and not that bad. Regardless, I use both OpenOffice and Office 2007, and I have to say, I'm using both less and less, and usually just for very primitive things (which any office suite can handle, really). I expect that's what most people use it for. So not having Office on a device doesn't make it unusable, and iWork's pretty cool and in some ways better than Office. (By the way, Chrome OS won't run Office, nor will it run any App Store apps, and yet you didn't exactly dismiss it as unusable.)

About the iPad, I'll say this: as with any Apple product, it's much more exciting and visible than a similar product from any other company would be. Few common people even know about Tablet PCs, and if they do, they probably aren't too excited by them. By contrast, many know and are wowed by the iPhone. That alone will make the iPad popular. It doesn't even really matter if it's been done before.

January 28, 2010 9:07 AM
 

chipwinter said:

I don't think it's about problems solved or whether it's a workhorse.

I think it's about the 25 million non-techie users of the iPod touch who've always thought, "It sure would be nice if this were larger."

Entertainment, games, book reader, web, e-mail, apps, iWorks, all for around $500.

It's a simple sell to non-techies.

It will sell tens of millions.

January 28, 2010 9:09 AM
 

rodiak said:

Definitely not in its current form... I'm not even excited about the thing (unusual for a new Apple product. Even Apple TV gave me a tad of excitement when it was announced).

The fact that it has a large screen which can be used to do serious documents editing among other things, and yet still lacks an essential feature like multitasking is a huge turn off... Also, why a device that has such a great photos app doesn't have a camera at all? A front facing camera would've made sense... Finally, this is the one Apple product that I really can't think of one good reason to shell money for:

iMac/Mac Pro - Great desktop computers

Macbook/Macbook Pro - Great line of laptops

iPod Classic/Nano/Shuffle  - Great portable multimedia players

iPhone/iTouch - Great internet devices (which do phone calls in case of the iPhone)

Apple TV - Good for getting your iTunes library on your TV. Made way better with Boxee.

And finally: iPad - Other then eBooks - NOTHING... And eBooks isn't that big of a deal for me. At least not yet... I still actually enjoy the smell of paper when I do have the tome to read.

Again, the biggest gripe I have about the iPad is the fact that a device that's supposed to be better than laptops in some tasks lacks the most basic feature in any modern computing system - multitasking. If that feature was there this post might have went a bit different... Just a bit...

January 28, 2010 9:10 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@drwam  what you listed as your needs hardly matches anything that it was presented to be good at.  I did not hear Jobs or any of the others talk about Citrix, VPN, Active X, or making phone calls.  The phrase "mobile office" was never mentioned.

Sitting in your favorite chair or couch or on a long plane ride, would you rather surf the internet, look at photos, play a casual game, or watch a movie on a iPad or a $299 netbook?

I have owned many smartphones, including WinMO and the iPhone.  I have also owned a Zune 30.  I have never wanted to watch a movie on any of them because of the small screen size.  I have never wanted a netbook because the cheap ones are just to small to do what I want and I would rather have a bigger screen and keyboard.  Every device has its niche, what is can do best.  

The iPad has a spot, a niche of what it can do well and I think that jobs showed that yesterday, so does any other tablet of its size with a touch interface from any vendor.  I have no doubt that there will be many tablets using less than a desktop OS running on less than a laptop/desktop CPU released this year.  They will be running Android or the next Windows CE, full Windows 7 (HP slate Balmer showed off) or the iPhone OS.  The only thing that remains to be seen is who will excel in this category.  I think it will come down to the UI and the apps, and not the what type of CPU or OS it has.

January 28, 2010 9:10 AM
 

sarnia_surfer said:

Part of the problem for me is the OS. Yes no flash but more importantly if I guess correctly, no multi-tasking. I wouldn't be able to work on a Keynote presentation while at the same time listen to iTunes or surf the web while using Pages.

Correct me if I am wrong as I use an iTouch not an iPhone.

Thus the reason to wait for Version 2 or 3.

January 28, 2010 9:11 AM
 

bdegrande said:

I was very negative going in, and am on the fence now. The pricing was much better than I expected. The low end models will compete very well with the Kindle DX.  Also, the ability to run iWork (and many future iPad specific apps, the iPhone didn't run apps at all at first) means that it could replace a laptop for travel.  The weight and battery life make it ideal for long plane trips, and no moving parts (hard disk, optical disk) is another plus for travel.

It has advantages over an iPbone as a book reader, as a game machine, as a video player, and for any app that requires more than a word or two.

It has advantages over a netbook - weight, battery life, and a hidden cost - the cost of applications. Expensive iPhone apps are $5-10, on a netbook, they would be 5-10X as much.

There will obviously be multitasking (the OS supports it and the processing power is now there) and iPad specific apps, and the ability to use my existing hundreds of iPhone apps at no cost is a plus.

My hesitation is that I may well wait for the second version (the maxipad?). I would have liked a USB port and camera built in rather than having to use external devices with dongles.

Also, Paul, the attempt to spin anything Apple releases as negatively as possible, and anything Microsoft releases as positively as possible (remember Vista making OS X looking old and tired) is really wearing thin. Even Dvorak gave up the wrestling heel gimmick after a decade or so, just call them as you see them.

January 28, 2010 9:13 AM
 

SempSempSemp said:

To be honest, I'd completely forgotten about the announcement of the iPad. My life continued to roll on as normal. I was on the train and I overheard two middle-aged women discussing this new bit of technology that's going to make life so much better. "iPad this" and "iPad that" and I looked over my shoulder to see the local free newspaper in Sydney, mx, with it's headline which read (something like) "Apple Revolutionizes Computing".

I got onto the net on my iPhone almost instantly. Yes, there it is on youtube. 20 minutes later - completely underwhelmed.

I ran over a bird once and my car slightly vibrated. That's the kind of influence the iPad has had on my life.

I just bought a netbook (11", 1.66ghz, 2gb ram, 250gb HD, 7 hour battery life - roughly $450US) which has Windows 7 Home Premium. I VPN into my home network and use remote desktop to maintain things while I'm out and about. I have Office and a few Adobe programs installed on my netbook (and of course a few little games). Everything I would want to do on the iPad, I can do on my netbook. And here's the key phrase "everything I would WANT to do".

What am I supposed to do? Carry round the iPad plus the keyboard? That's just awkward. I have visions of smashed iPads as people attempt to type on the wireless keyboard and hold the iPad on their lap at the same time.

- If Apple had included a stylus (neatly sliding it into the side) - that would have made this an interesting product. Not a revolution but a somewhat useful product. At least it would find a home in students hands and (depending on the processing power) perhaps an artists hands.

- If Apple had made the iPad wireless connect to my iPhone and share the 3G connection - that would have been a revolution. It would have paved the way for device makers to start being smarter with the way we connect to the world - why have someone walking around with multiple 3G/4G connections? I thought Apple was about smarter computing - not "pile it on" computing.

- If Apple had made the iPad include some kind of digital TV tuner - that would have caught my eye.

- If Apple had made the iPad connect wirelessly for synchronisation - you know, like every other media device - that would have been a step in the right direction.

- If Apple had made the iPad with a camera ...you know, for video chatting with people..you know, for those of us with friends who have real computers that also have cameras..

iPad does not do any of these things.

Here's the cold hard reality - There is no compelling reason to buy one these. I have an iPhone, so I can play all the time wasting games on that, I can look at google maps on that and I can (only God knows why I would want to) look at a compass on that. I have a netbook and a laptop - one serves as a portable work computer and the other serves as a lightweight device that I can take with me to stay connected when I know I wont need to do any serious computing.

What need do I have for a device that is not quite a computer and not really a phone? I need a phone and I need a computer. I don't need an identity confused tablet that is reasonably priced but has more accessories than a Barbie Doll.

Sorry Apple - This thing is a dud. I don't need to see it or play with it. It could be the most amazing mutli-touch tablet in the world BUT if it is just a glorified iPod touch - whats the point?

January 28, 2010 9:13 AM
 

iFUD said:

All I can picture is Flavor Flav drilling a hole in this thing and hanging it around his neck instead of a clock and running a time app.

January 28, 2010 9:19 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

Has the OS, smartphone CPU or lack or lack of multitaksing effected the sales of the iTouch/iPhone?

Consumers, real ones, the ones that will be spending money for this device because of WHAT they can do with it and not what's under the glass and metal.  Jobs knows this, Paul does not.  That is why Paul writes Windows secrets books and tries to second guess people that are 10x more innovative than him.

FYI iWork for those that think it sucks but have never even used it, opens all formats of Office documents and saves to the .doc, .xls, .ppt.  So you could open, edit and save Word 2010 documents on this device if you spent $9.99 for pages.

January 28, 2010 9:25 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

"I just bought a netbook (11", 1.66ghz, 2gb ram, 250gb HD, 7 hour battery life - roughly $450US) which has Windows 7 Home Premium. I VPN into my home network and use remote desktop to maintain things while I'm out and about."

99% of the potential iPad customers don't know what that means and dont care.  You are talking in a echo chamber.

January 28, 2010 9:28 AM
 

yoshipod said:

The only thing I agree with is what is the purpose of the ipad.

Its not so much about the ipad itself, but rather how consumers view the entire tablet computer idea.

There is a reason that most people don't get it, despite Microsoft pushing the idea for most of the last decade.  It fills a strange niche that most people don't have, or at least realize they have.

The ipad will be a success if Apple can convince those people who are looking for a second computer with small form factor for a subset of computing activities, that it is useful.  

Netbooks are not great for most consumers.  They see a laptop with a keyboard and expect performance on par with a full size laptop or desktop.  The "desktop" os (windows, os X) does not really scale as well with small form devices.  

If Apple can market this correctly, as the "casual" second computing device, then consumers will understand the Tablet concept and it will be successful. It is just a large ipod touch, which is fine, and can certainly fit in well for most consumers needs.

This is what all the naysayers are missing. It is not a device targeted at them.  

January 28, 2010 9:28 AM
 

whiplash55 said:

The device is very cool, but it really is to expensive. The $499 model seems like a bargain, but for 16 gigs, no thanks. When the 2nd gen comes out with double the storage for the same price it might be an interesting toy. To replace a netbook it needs to be able to hold at least 160 gigs so I can dump my pictures on it while I'm on vacation. I didn't watch the presentation, does it have USB?

January 28, 2010 9:31 AM
 

DarrenRichie said:

rr0de74@live.com So you are saying that this device has a purpose that the other Phones/MP3 players/Netbooks/Laptops/PC's don't have because I am struggling to find a reason to spend $500 and a data price plan on a device that lacks the most basic features. Yes multi tasking didn't affect the Touch or iPhone because people didn't realise how important it was until other devices such as Android powered devices came out and showed what multi tasking can do. There will be A LOT of people not buying this because it can't multitask.

People will buy this because they want to be "cool" and one of the "Apple people" when in reality this device serves no useful purpose that another device can't already do. Simple.

January 28, 2010 9:35 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

No USB but...

"The dock has a rear 30-pin connector, which lets you connect to an electrical outlet using the USB Power Adapter, sync to your computer, and use accessories like the Camera Connection Kit. An audio jack lets you connect to a stereo or powered speakers."

16gigs is a lot of photos while on vacation.

January 28, 2010 9:38 AM
 

DarrenRichie said:

Great ad for iPad here www.funnyordie.co.uk/.../the-ipad

January 28, 2010 9:39 AM
 

chipwinter said:

Put four of these iPads together and you've got a pretty nice surface computer for $2,000.

I'll bet someone comes up with an app for that.

January 28, 2010 9:44 AM
 

DRWAM said:

rrode, it sounds as if we are in 100% agreement. My point was that the device was not for me. My second post was that it may be a more desirable solution for my wife's needs. We have iPhones but she almost never uses it for anything but the phone. The bigger screen of the iPad would be great for her, and the less expensive data plan would make the iPad even more affordable for many, while keeping iPhone features and more, and allowing her to carry an even smaller phone [she is tiny, especially when compared to me. I agree that it is not for everyone, but many will find it useful.

I really don't even care for a netbook [not even a Dell mini with Leopard], and find the screens too small. I prefer a laptop. At age 50, I still bench 335, so a 7 lb laptop is like a feather to me.

January 28, 2010 9:45 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@DarrenRichie, using your logic why by a smartphone, why not get a throw away free phone.  They are smaller, cheaper, and only need to be charged once every 4 days.  My razor was probably the best cell phone I have ever owned.  I can just check my email on a desktop PC.

Why get a netbook when a smartphone can do all of what I would need a netbook for.  Why buy a Kindle when I can read a book on my iPhone or Laptop.

If you read what I said, the iPad has a niche of what its good at, would you rather read a book/website on a iPad or 6/7inch netbook.  99.9% of consumers would choose iPad because of the screen and touch.  This came through clearly to me yesterday from the demonstrations.  That does not mean you can do the same thing on a netbook, it just means the iPad (any tablet as I said) is better at some functions.

January 28, 2010 9:46 AM
 

SempSempSemp said:

@rr0de74

Consumers, real ones, have more than one window open at a time. I don't know what fairy land you live in but when I am writing or creating a document, I always have multiple windows open. Here's a little hint - it's the reason why the most popular OS on the planet is called "Windows" and not "Window"..

And you still don't address the problem of the form factor of this device for doing the work you are talking about. If there is a desk to place it on (to use the keyboard or to set it up nicely so you aren't hunched over it), why aren't you just using a normal computer or laptop? If you are in a travel circumstance, explain to me how you can effectively type on this thing?  It's agonising and neck straining trying to use a traditional laptop as it is. And please - don't tell me that people are going to hold it in one hand and use the other because, I'm sorry, the 10 words a minute that you'll be able to achieve with one hand is not worth it.

People aren't as dumb as you'd like them to be. People, you know those real ones that you think only ever have one program open and that want to pay for yet ANOTHER network connection, actually do care about what they use.

Apple relies on it's customers blind faith and a stirring commitment to do whatever they are told to do. I'm sure you will go out and buy an iPad, an iPad case, an iPad camera connector so you can use a camera that already had a perfectly good USB cable, an iPad Dock to VGA connector, an iPad Dock and an iPad wireless keyboard - you'll buy all those wonderful things...you'll sign up for a data plan...you'll carry around with you your iPod, iPhone, Macbook, iPad and 43 feet worth of Apple branded proprietary cables and plugs...You'll pay for all the apps that you already own on Macbook all over again for the privilege of using severely annoying crippled versions. You'll transfer a good chunk of your iPod songs to your iPad, only to realise that this thing is portable only so far as it's able to be put in your bag - thus negating it's use as a music player (you have an iPod and iPhone already - but I digress)...You'll settle into your chair and smugly smile..You'll smile because you honestly believe that you have made the smart choice..

Meanwhile.. I'll leap onto the train or drive along in my car with my iPhone and my tiny netbook...and....that's....it.... I'm set.. Oh look, my iPhone plugs into my netbook and shares the internet with it.. Wow.. Crazy times..

Innovation (n): 1. something newly introduced, such as a new method or device (tablets are old)

Magical (adj): 1. Enchanting or Bewitching. (this thing is neither enchanting or bewitching - I solved third world hunger in my head during the keynote)

Revolutionary (adj): 2. Marked by or resulting in radical change (as I said, tablets are old)

Advanced (adj): 1. Highly developed or complex (1ghz processor and 16gb storage. LOL. You sure it doesn't have a floppy disk drive too?)

Apple shouldn't use buzz words - it's so easy to measure failure with them.

January 28, 2010 9:49 AM
 

DRWAM said:

Does any one know if there is an AV adapter for composite or component connection to a TV? I'm certain that there will be, but was wondering about if it already exists.

January 28, 2010 9:51 AM
 

Rog Andre said:

Gosh some people are so rude! No one is talking into an echo chamber, some people will be interested in what the guy was saying. How old are you, 12?

January 28, 2010 10:02 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@semp, i think that iWork ability will be the least used feature by consumers of the iPad, I would even say most wont even use it all.  I could open and edit a word document on my WinMo phone, but I never did.  

Because of the larger screen and the ability to connect any BT keyboard the feature will get some use, more so than Word on a WinMo phone.  If anything beyond reading and very light input is required for say a pages/word doc, most people will just move to a computer.

Jobs focus was not on office applications.  iWork was icing on the cake, an added bonus, but not a primary feature, the pricing of the feature speaks to my point.

Again I ask after you have lept onto the train, would you rather read a webpage/email/magazine/book on your iPhone, tiny netbook, or iPad, forget the cost just ask your self which would be the best device to consume that information while sitting on the train.  

January 28, 2010 10:07 AM
 

BrandanL said:

@everyone here, including Paul and myself

You need to understanding something very important:

Apple does not give half a *** about you.

You are not their target market. You are a geek. You care about processor speeds and RAM sizes and hard drive RPMs and OLEDs. You already own several portable computing devices. You want shell access and an IDE and a full-featured office suite. You're capable of hacking a machine to pieces (figuratively) in order to bend it to your will.

Apple does not want you to buy an iPad. They know you will hate it, and they do not care. They will still sell millions to people who are not you.

Once you get this, the iPad may start to make more sense.

January 28, 2010 10:10 AM
 

DRWAM said:

BTW, there is an AV and a VGA adapter, so you can connect to a TV or an external monitor. It states at in the technical specs. Carry movies for the kids to play on a TV at the beach... I' mean down the shore, since I live in  Jersey. Therefore, it's a mobile media player too, not just a personal one.

January 28, 2010 10:11 AM
 

Rog Andre said:

On a train I would say netbook, because a tablet would have screen support issues (apple or pc) of course. Apple might as well have made a net book, I mean lok how well OSX used to run on a dell mini 9. Then Apple killed it.

January 28, 2010 10:14 AM
 

chuckb84 said:

IDud, iDissapoint, iSteal, etc. Flame bait, looking for hits Paul? You haven't held, seen or reviewed this, and yet pronounced it DOA before the product presentation was even finished.

And this is from the same guy who's defended the Zune, and who keeps telling us how great WinMo 7 will be.....some day, while defending WinMo 6.5 with an "Aw, shucks, it isn't really that bad", and the same guy who defended Longhorn for years and years.

Anytime Microsoft screws up, we get the party line "They're still working on this", "Microsoft is tenacious", "They'll eventually get it right, and with their partners, they'll crush the competition".

Bias much?

It's this kind of tripe that keeps you from every being taken seriously outside this little echo chamber, and that's too bad, because you're pretty good technically. Too bad you have this strange tick about Apple. And, of course, anyone who disagrees with you about Apple is a "fanatic" a "zealot", etc.

And, you're wrong substantively, too.

"At least with a netbook, you can make the argument that it's a PC. It doesn't run weird iWork apps, it runs Office. So you could get work done."

iWork is a fine suite of office tools that are sufficient for most people's needs. The simplicity vs. power tradeoff is entirely consistent with the iPad. Import/export to Office is just fine. They aren't "weird", they're just not the bloated monstrosity that Office is. No one -cares- if the thing runs "Office", they care if it produces Office -documents-.....big difference.

From the winit site, "In fact, what's pretty obvious is that the iPad is simply a bald-faced way for Apple to further milk its iTunes content delivery system. "

Your concept of "milk the iTunes delivery system" may be a feature that many people want. It's amazing how great the Microsoft copy of the iTunes store is in your book, while Apple should be criticized for broadening  the content and improving the mobile devices that access that content.

The question here is the size of the market for the iPad. That is simply unknown at this point. However, your instantaneous dismissal of the product (before it's released, before the presentation was even FINISHED) is amazing. The reason you continue to have an audience of dozens is that bias and the incredible snarkiness towards Apple.

January 28, 2010 10:26 AM
 

chuckb84 said:

BrandanL

Well put. For historical reference on the Macintosh, this is good:

brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/.../jan-1984-how-critics-reviewed-the-mac

The Dvorak quote makes the point best:

"Apple makes the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need. It, unfortunately, leaves the “why” out of the equation — as in “why would I want this?” The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things."

Apple DOES "make the arrogant assumption of thinking that it knows what you want and need".....they also have a track record of BEING RIGHT on this. Not all the time, but a lot of the time.

Now we see if they're right this time or not....

January 28, 2010 10:34 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@rog raising points about the technical specs of the CPU and RAM of any device is only interesting to a very limited amount of people.  People that come to sites like this to read about technical stuff....hence the echo chamber reference.  Maybe I should have said speaking the to choir??

In either case the consumers just dont care about that stuff.  They care about what the device can do, not how it does under the hood.

January 28, 2010 10:35 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@BrandanL  what you said....EXACTLY!

January 28, 2010 10:37 AM
 

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January 28, 2010 10:38 AM
 

Ocean said:

This.

"I think it's about the 25 million non-techie users of the iPod touch who've always thought, "It sure would be nice if this were larger."

Entertainment, games, book reader, web, e-mail, apps, iWorks, all for around $500.

It's a simple sell to non-techies.

It will sell tens of millions."

January 28, 2010 10:39 AM
 

bkvalheim said:

One of his worst written articles yet. The drivel of Apple products from PT is getting pretty sad these days.

January 28, 2010 10:43 AM
 

Ocean said:

"The thing is, as a heavy iPhone user, I immediately recognize the iPad’s appeal. If it can perform anywhere close to the promised 10 hour battery life, I’ll likely ditch carrying around a laptop most of the time and simply take an iPad with the keyboard accessory. The thing is that snappy — and, at a pound and a half and a half-inch thick, the weight and size savings will be substantial. Oh, and at $30-a-month for unlimited data (yes, sadly through AT&T), I can ditch my $60-a-month laptop 3G card.

Does it have Flash? No. But while that used to be an issue for me when the iPhone first launched, I never think about it anymore. All of YouTube is available through the YouTube app, and I’d bet that sooner or later we’ll see a Hulu app as well. So what am I really missing with Flash? Browser crashes, eaten CPU cycles, and some Facebook games? Good riddance."

www.techcrunch.com/.../ipad

January 28, 2010 10:44 AM
 

Spiggy73 said:

I have to agree with a lot of the comments.  It would seem that Paul was hyper-reactive with his statements concerning Apple and the iPad, more so than usual.  I am no Apple fan-boy nor an MS apologist but I don't know how you can come back with such declarative predictions so early.  This is not a logic based society and hasn't been for a very long time.  If people believe they "need" this product, they can afford and if it fills a market niche (in that priority order) then Apple will sell these like hotcakes.

January 28, 2010 10:45 AM
 

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January 28, 2010 10:45 AM
 

Ocean said:

"as long as Apple has its base that will buy and use the iPad, they have plenty of time for either themselves or third-party developers to create the killer uses that make the iPad a must-have product for a broader range of people. We already saw that happen with the App Store and the iPhone/iPod touch. And at $499 (for the low-end version), there will be no shortage of people willing to splurge on the device just to see what all the fuss is about. They’ll get hooked too."

January 28, 2010 10:46 AM
 

Ocean said:

Pogue counters Thurrott:

"My main message to fanboys is this: it’s too early to draw any conclusions. Apple hasn’t given the thing to any reviewers yet, there are no iPad-only apps yet (there will be), the e-bookstore hasn’t gone online yet, and so on. So hyperventilating is not yet the appropriate reaction.

At the same time, the bashers should be careful, too. As we enter Phase 2, remember how silly you all looked when you all predicted the iPhone’s demise in that period before it went on sale.

Like the iPhone, the iPad is really a vessel, a tool, a 1.5-pound sack of potential. It may become many things. It may change an industry or two, or it may not. It may introduce a new category — something between phone and laptop — or it may not. And anyone who claims to know what will happen will wind up looking like a fool. "

January 28, 2010 10:48 AM
 

EricoF3 said:

This is anything!!! 75% of the peoples that write on blogs about the iPad are frustrated and are disappointed about the iPad but in the same time near to all the techno pseudo journalists only write article with title like : "Apple puts the bar very high with the IPad"!!!????

his there any brain in the head of the pseudo techno journalists??

Apple did not innovate a iota in the iPad ... THEY don't PLACE the BAR HIGH... THEY JUST DON'T PLACE THE BARRRR!!!

What it is more high in the IPad than in the HP Slate????

I really think we are all manipulated by media... now I see the truth...

January 28, 2010 10:57 AM
 

FalKirk said:

Unlike Paul, I used the night to clear away my preconceptions and reconsider what the iPad is rather than what I thought it might be. It all seems so clear to me now. The Touch is simply an iPhone without the phone. The iPad is simply a large Touch. If you look at it that way, a lot of the disappointment that it's not a notebook computer disappears and it's purpose becomes pretty obvious. Will kids who wanted a Touch want a bigger touch? For the most part, you betcha. Will kids who currently use desktop or notebook computers to surf the net, listen to tunes, watch videos, and text their friends want one? You betcha.

If you're trying to shoehorn the functionality of a notebook computer into the iPad, you're going to find the iPad disappointing. If you've ever had any interest in purchasing a Touch, you're going to find the iPad very exciting. And when the iPad only applications begin to appear, well, a whole new ball game will begin.

January 28, 2010 10:57 AM
 

WebGuy3000 said:

In the end, it will come down to the user experience that this thing delivers, not technical specs or a bullet list of features.

It's interesting that the reaction of those who have had hands-on time with the device is markedly different from those who have not.

January 28, 2010 11:01 AM
 

tomperanteau said:

I came and joined after reading several of Paul's articles.  I have found that I agree with him, mostly.

Regarding the iPad; I think he is dead on.  Perhaps the language he used is a bit stronger than some would like, but the point is on-target.

The iPad, as we now see it, is nothing much more than a large iPod.  I was watching Laporte yesterday with great anticipation, and really hoped that there would be something close to as exciting as my iPhone announced.  With all the hype, I think everyone had high hopes.  I would have been prepared to buy one if there had been a compelling product announced, but there was not.

I have several computers, and my main computer, the one I am on now, is a Mac.  It sits right next to my netbook and my iPhone.  Although I am not a Mac fanboy, I am a fan of good technology. Most of the computers I care for in my office run Windows, and I am a fan of Microsoft, too.  My servers all run Linux, so I am OS agnostic, for the most part.

That said, I just cannot get behind, or find a need for, the iPad.

January 28, 2010 11:13 AM
 

Rog Andre said:

@rr0de74@live.com. Nice one about the choirs. I think the UK populus is by and large a very tech savy one, and this is being reflected in our mainstream media detailing the specs.

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../index.html

January 28, 2010 11:29 AM
 

Rog Andre said:

And here is another set of views on the device by the same paper.

www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Apple-iPad-met-derision-laughter-web-users.html

January 28, 2010 11:33 AM
 

smiddlehurst said:

"So you could get work done." - Thanks Paul, you've just summed up why people are slating this device and why they're wrong.

Look, I have plenty of options for getting work done. I've got a desktop in the corner for that when I'm at home and in work there's a wide range of options. But at home I really really don't need a full blown desktop OS, certainly not a full blown desktop OS crammed into a form factor and device that doesn't suit it or, criticaly, its applications. From what I've seen the iPad is PERFECT for my needs: browsing the web, doing e-mail, running apps just like I do on my iPod Touch but with a lot more screen real estate to play with (handy if I don't have my glasses on at the time), casual gaming... this is all stuff I do from the sofa and is probably 90% of my home computing use. The other 10% is writing and, as I said, there's a desktop for that or I can just connect up a bluetooth keyboard if I want to use the iPad.

Do I need this device? No, I don't NEED it. But I want it because a) it's a form factor that fits the way I use a HOME device perfectly and b) it looks like fun. Remember that folks, fun? I used to find messing with OS's fun, many years ago. Now I just want something that works, that makes me smile when I pick it up... Apple seems to have delivered that and for the first time ever I'm considering picking up a first generation Apple product.

Basically, forget the geek way. It's not about functionality, the missing features or flexibility really don't matter in this case. This is a device for the non-geek or for those who are not so far gone that they can look past a spec sheet. Almost everyone that's actually used this thing with an open mind so far has raved about it and I have a feeling Apple have got at least a 50/50 shot at selling a truckload of these.

January 28, 2010 12:13 PM
 

Ocean said:

"The iPad, as we now see it, is nothing much more than a large iPod. "

We'll have to wait for the reviews, but someone who used it said:

"it’s not just a scaled up iPhone or a scaled-down multitouch enhanced laptop – it is a whole new kind of device."

www.stephenfry.com/.../ipad-about

January 28, 2010 12:22 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

No one needs a Kindle either, but Paul practically soils himself with glee every time he talks about it.

At $489 for the one-trick-pony Kindle, I'd rather spend the extra ten bucks and get the iPad. I'm just sayin'....

January 28, 2010 12:24 PM
 

sarnia_surfer said:

Here's what it is not: Small computer

Here's what it is: Large iPod Touch

January 28, 2010 12:25 PM
 

Ocean said:

Another person who used it:

"I am a technology professional. For almost 20 years I’ve tested, used, broke, fixed, and played with all kinds of technology from broadcasting to air conditioning to software. I am not easily swayed in these things. But even with all my skepticism, I think the iPad is something different. A new way of computing that will become commonplace.

Oh Internets, I know you won’t believe till you hold one in your hands. You’ll bang on about features, data plans, DRM, open source, and a multitude of issues. You’ll storm the message boards, wring your hands, and promise you won’t buy one till ‘Gen 2’. The din will grow and grow as time passes.

And then one day, in a few months, you will actually hold one and use it. And you will say, “I want one. Iwant one right now.”

So, my sweet beloved Internets, please take a deep breath, relax and stay away from your regular knee-jerk reactions. Have a little patience, a quality you are not known for, my sweet Internets.

And please, please stop trying to make predictions about what's next, you have no clue and just look stupid when you do."

cruftbox.com/.../001592.html

January 28, 2010 12:25 PM
 

Ocean said:

I think it will sell if people go see it for themselves and ignore the doubters...I do think people will go see it too.  :)

January 28, 2010 12:27 PM
 

Ocean said:

I like this comment from cruftbox:

"if it doesn't do what you want it to - fine - don't buy it. Easy schmeezy. If it costs more for what it does for you - don't buy it.

The critical question is, will it do for the average consumer what the average consumer wants it to do, at a price they want to do it at? Probably.

While Apple isn't infallible - they have gotten smart over the years, it is possible they have a finger on the pulse of the average consumer. After 40 million iPhones, and a bunch of other stuff - they just might have this right.

January 28, 2010 12:32 PM
 

Logjamming said:

<<iFUD said:

All I can picture is Flavor Flav drilling a hole in this thing and hanging it around his neck instead of a clock and running a time app.>>

This made me smile!

January 28, 2010 12:36 PM
 

daveinla said:

Well it seems Paul's classic Anti-Apple rage which had reached unprecedented levels yesterday (you could actually fell the foam and the sweat coming out !!!) came to a normal level again (meaning reasonably negative).

Now back to normal adult discussion:

* The problem with the device (unlike Netbook, laptop and smartphones) is that not 2 people think the same thing about how a tablet should look like and should do and should be operated ... What we know for sure is that the classic Windows ported on a tablet sucks... No one wants a start menu and cumbersome windows explorer on a tablet, ditto a smartphone !! MS still hasn't understood that.

I think Brandan nailed the thing: Apple has a very specific target and doesn't care about the geeks out here who want to run their shells, see what's going on in the internals of their machines... Like all Apple devices, it should be operated by a 3 yr old kid !

Paul still hasn't registered that the PC era is over... People don't care about the OS or the softs anymore !!! People like their laptops (mostly Macbooks) and iPhones because they just run without hassle and allow them to do cloud computing easily with no fuss. My 5 yr old daughter knows how to use my iPhone. My 8 yr old son knows how to use iPhoto or garageband and never bugs me for something that went wrong or he doesn't understand.

98% of the people don't care about the geek stuff underneath. They want a sleek looking device, that works without fuss, annoyances and malware !

Very evocative remarks about Paul's attachment to the PC era: a good tablet should have a keyboard, a start menu; The bookshelf presentation is not professional ????? (WTF ???) and childish !!!!!!! Yeah I imagine a tablet PC on which you have to run the Windows-Explorer (that still looks and feel nowadays like the Win Explorer from Win 95 !!) to browse you book list !! Definitely more professional, but so boring to use, and impossible to operate by a child !!

January 28, 2010 12:46 PM
 

TEAMSWITCHER said:

I think that it's far too early to declare the iPad a disappointment.  I think it's the biggest Game Changing product to come along in many many years.  The reason is Price.  At the introductory prices $499.00-$829.00, this device is far more affordable than any Windows based tablet - EVER.  And it comes with a pre-built eco-system, built on Apple proven touch interface technologies.  As developers (and there are a lot of them) start bending these pixels to their will, who knows what cool apps will be created.  I also think that a web-cam and a new multi-tasking OS are on the horizon.  This is a 1.0 Apple product, an introduction to a new form-factor for mobile computing.

If I were Microsoft, or HP, or Asus, or Acer, or Dell I wouldn't listen to the likes of Paul Thurrott, and dismiss this product out-of-hand.  I would be worried!

And Steve Jobs is absolutely spot-on about net-books - "They are not better at anything!"

January 28, 2010 12:55 PM
 

jefflessard said:

I am an Apple  fanboy and I have to agree with you!

January 28, 2010 1:04 PM
 

daveinla said:

Netbooks sucks at everything... true !!!

January 28, 2010 1:05 PM
 

whiplash55 said:

@rrode74

Thanks for the info, 16 gigs isn't enough for me but 32 might work.

January 28, 2010 1:25 PM
 

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January 28, 2010 1:28 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

lotsamystuff  said:

"No one needs a Kindle either, but Paul practically soils himself with glee every time he talks about it.

At $489 for the one-trick-pony Kindle, I'd rather spend the extra ten bucks and get the iPad. I'm just sayin'...."

I agree!!!

January 28, 2010 1:41 PM
 

Ocean said:

"98% of the people don't care about the geek stuff underneath. They want a sleek looking device, that works without fuss, annoyances and malware !"

This.

January 28, 2010 1:44 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

daveinla  said: "Netbooks sucks at everything... true !!!"

I agree for sure!!

But the problem is really not that the iPad will not be good... It Will be!! But it will not be better than the HP Slate... or the Lenovo bi loptop\tablet which i don't remember the name... or the Dell tablet... or the Microsoft courier tablet...

IPad will run all the IPhone application... What a big deal. ... Do you know that a Slate that run Windows 7 will be able run all the application that run on a Windows Laptop or desktop... what a nice feature!!!!

I think Apple shot in their feet because they voluntarily create unrealistic expectations... but it is just a tablet computer... So know they'll have to deal with that and they will not be able so... Time will tells...

January 28, 2010 1:54 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

http://www.inkling.com/

Just the beginning I am sure.

January 28, 2010 2:08 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@EricoF3 want to wager on who will sell more, the HP slate or Apple iPad?

HP did say it was going to be less than $1500.  Not sure they wanted to go as low as $499 but we shall see.

January 28, 2010 2:13 PM
 

Ocean said:

A developer:

"I'm an iPhone developer and I get very excited about this new form factor. You are going to see apps on this that will make you want it. Having the larger screen to play with using multitouch is a much bigger deal than many people imagine. It's the type of thing that is going to make you touch your laptop screen by accident."

See this:  http://www.inkling.com/

January 28, 2010 2:20 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

This is some good stuff right here.  For ALL of you doubters, watch this video.  Specifically listen the HP talk about consumer feedback and the NEW ways people are consuming information and about the "Gap".  Paul should have watched this one before opening his mouth.

gizmodo.com/.../hp-slate-coming-2010-way-less-than-1500-plain-old-win-7

Remember this is HP and HP before Jobs spoke and this is Windows 7....so it must be what the consumer wants.  Maybe they used the same speech writer??

January 28, 2010 2:20 PM
 

yoshipod said:

" Only about 1.03 million tablets were sold in 2009, down from 1.3 million in 2008, according to Gartner."

This will be the real test.

How many ipads will Apple sell in 2010?

If the 2009 numbers hold, Apple can get 20% market share selling only 250,000 ipads.  That seems extremely likely.

I would not be surprised if they sold 500,000 of these things or even 1,000,000.

Its easy to see the ipad becoming the best selling tablet in 2010.

January 28, 2010 2:21 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

"Its easy to see the ipad becoming the best selling tablet in 2010."

Yep.

And Paul will post that it only has 1.378953% marketshare :)

Funny how marketshare matters so much for the Mac---in fact it is the only thing that seems to matter for Paul----but never matters for, oh, the Zune, for example.

January 28, 2010 2:37 PM
 

tayme said:

I see 2 things happenning with the Kindle because of this...a substantial price reduction and epub format. I hope for both so I no longer have to share a Kindle with my wife! She also has the Kindle app on her iPod, and keeps a couple of books sync'd up to it...but they suck to read, and not because of the screen size.

We have all gotten used to reading emails and text messages on a 3 inch back lit screen. They are quick reads and we don't stare at it for hours. People keep writing of the e-ink display, but believe me...until you have used it for more than 5 minutes in a Target store looking at a Sony device or looking at a friends Kindle, really used it to read an entire novel, or a daily newspaper every morning...you will not appreciate it. Sure its not color and the pages aren't animated; so what. That may be handy for text books, and if you don't think that the Kindle developers are working on an animated color e-ink device, you are fools.

--tayme

January 28, 2010 2:42 PM
 

NoNameAtAll said:

"98% of the people don't care about the geek stuff underneath. They want a sleek looking device, that works without fuss, annoyances and malware !"

You mean a Macbook? Seeing as that does the same as the iPad and then some.

January 28, 2010 3:14 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

rr0de74@live.com  said: "@EricoF3 want to wager on who will sell more, the HP slate or Apple iPad?

HP did say it was going to be less than $1500.  Not sure they wanted to go as low as $499 but we shall see."

No no no!!! I never pretend this!!! I don't know which will sell better... But I know that Windows 7 slates in general will sell more than the IPad... 95% of the computer users use Windows, here I assume here that this will continue and that the majority will prefer to buy a Windows slate, don't care which brand, than buy a iPad...

The interesting thing here is, because Apple do an tablet that is more like an iPod touch than a Mac, they create a competition between Windows PC and a IPod machine rather then a competition between a Windows PC and a Mac PC... An for that, I must admit it is clever from Apple.

I mean they succeed to move the competition from a domain which they don't have the momentum to a domain that they have all the momentum... For that I must admit it is wise...

January 28, 2010 3:20 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

NoNameAtAll said:" "98% of the people don't care about the geek stuff underneath. They want a sleek looking device, that works without fuss, annoyances and malware !"

You mean a Macbook? Seeing as that does the same as the iPad and then some."

A Mac book hahahah!! A Mac book don't run anything ... You could buy a Windows 7 machine and keep it close and you will have the same as a Mac book ... No malware and no software to run... Hahahah

These guys are funny!! :)

January 28, 2010 3:22 PM
 

NoNameAtAll said:

EricoF3: I just meant if one wants the Mac experience. And there's the option of Boot Camp as well.

Don't lump me with robertsjoe and the like.

January 28, 2010 3:28 PM
 

smiddlehurst said:

@EricoF3 - the problem with your asumption here is that I honestly don't think people WANT slates that run full desktop OS's. Sure, they sound great but really THINK about it for a moment. You're going to take a desktop application like... oh, let's say Office 2007 and put it on a 10" screen that's operated by touch. Fire up Office on your PC the next time you're using it, max it and try to imagine using it with a finger. I'm betting that unless you're using a 20"+ display you can't get at the individual UI elements without taping the one next to it.

It's not enough to have an OS that's touch optimised, the apps have to be built from the ground up to do the same. That's the problem MS has had since day one with the Windows tablet which they tried to overcome with a stylus. That works fine for professionals but, and again sorry to say this, home users simply don't want stylus input on their computers. It's not cool, it's not any more intuitive than a mouse / keyboard, is far too easy to loose and, worst of all, means that a Windows slate really doesn't offer anything different to a laptop and usually costs more. We've been here before with MS and I really don't see anything new or interesting in the HP Slate over the old tablets that's going to change the result. Maybe Android or something similar will compete with the iPad but not Windows 7 using standard Windows applications.

Actually, here's a great example: www.blogcdn.com/.../2010-01-06hpslategal-8.jpg

Look at the controls for the media player and the size of the fingers holding the device. Granted it's monkey boy doing the holding but still... does that look easy to use to you? Compare it to the iPad, there's at least double the spacing between the buttons. Not such a big deal with a mouse, absolute killer with fingers.

To meander to a conclusion here: we're entering a new era of computing where the hardware really doesn't matter much anymore. The last, what, 20 years or so have been based around the business and it's their models and abstractions that have been used in the home. Now we're moving (in the home market) towards computers that are focused around the web, around slim, efficient applications and around portability. There's still a little way to go but make no mistake, the iPad IS the first proper step down that road. Android will follow and I'm sure there'll be more. MS finds itself in the very uncomfortable position of its greatest asset - its legacy support - suddenly being a huge disadvantage. To compete in this new space they're going to have to go back to the drawing board. They're already doing it with WM7 if reports are to be believed, they're going to have to do the same thing to compete in this emerging home market.

January 28, 2010 3:48 PM
 

DRWAM said:

What hurts about the name is that you write on a pad, but cannot on an iPad. iSlate would have been better perhaps.

January 28, 2010 4:00 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@tayme, while I do think eink is better for reading, I dont buy they hype of eyestrain.  I am IT, I sit in front a computer screen at least 8 hours a day and my eyes are no worse for it.

I might be bored out of my skull reading a Cisco ACE manual on a computer but my eyes are fine.

January 28, 2010 4:31 PM
 

tayme said:

@rr0de74 - You must still be young then. I have been in IT for a very(very) long time and used to fill that way about eyestrain...then it was reading glasses, then bifocals, now progressive bifocals! Back in the amber and green screen days, it wasn't so bad...backlit screens make my eyes bleed.

--tayme

January 28, 2010 5:17 PM
 

tayme said:

Oops...fill = feel! See what I mean, I would have caught that on a Kindle!  :-)

--tayme

January 28, 2010 5:26 PM
 

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January 28, 2010 7:12 PM
 

MattBakerJr said:

Years ago, Jobs said he didn't want to make a tablet because the only thing you could do with a tablet was surf the web in the bathroom.

Yesterday, that's what he delivered to us.

January 28, 2010 7:18 PM
 

SempSempSemp said:

@DRWAM

Yeah it does - for a nice extra fee and it only outputs to 480p or 576p. Awesome huh? My netbook can output to 720p :)

@rr0de74

I have a nice 11 inch netbook with a decent battery and I run Chrome browser which gives me the ability to view flash pages. I have arrows keys to move the page up and down. I also have 250gb storage - currently I have the entire collection of seinfeld and whose line on my netbook (together about 18 x 24 x 170mb = 73gb = more than the biggest iPad has).

Knowing that, which do you think I like?

@BrandanL

You need to understand that consumers want to understand. They want HDD size numbers and they want specs. Even the lamest of ducks now understands that 1ghz is not fast. Even the most simple computer users will have some understanding that 16gb for a computer is not very much ("wait, my phone has 32gb and my iPad only has 16gb - is that right?").

Maybe they don't care but they should. As "they", the less informed about technology, increasingly become "us", the more well informed, Apple is going to have real problems.

Every kid in the state schools in my state in Australia is given a netbook to work on.

You want to keep people in the dark about technology - keep them buying Apple.

You want people to learn - encourage them to buy a PC.

Here's the scary thing - you obviously know a bit about computing (as with rr0de) and you are defending the position of "Hi my name is lamp, whats a computer?"

@rr0de74

You forget that people are starting to understand the link between whats under the hood and what the device can do. This is not the 1990's anymore. Everyone has a computer.

@Ocean

Problem is that you are describing a product that already exists. Most of the angst here is that Apple is claiming "REVOLUTION!" and then showing us same old same old.

@rr0de74

I actually really like the look of that slate. And I can tell you why. I don't want another device that stores new sets of files again. I don't need it. I don't want something that can't connect to my home computer while I travel. I don't want something that is, yet again, another independent piece of hardware. I want computing experience to be something that combines - not divides.

@chuckb84

Listen to the podcast occasionally. Paul constantly bashes microsoft products too. He has belittled the zune on many occasions for it's shortcomings.

@all

Here's the root of the problem as I see it. People are saying to the tech crowd, "Shut up! no-one cares what is inside it" and the tech crowd are saying, "You should care what's inside it". The irony is that it's BECAUSE OF THE TECH CROWD that we are where we are today in technology. It's because of the tech crowd that technology moves forward. The only way to impress techheads is by doing something that is impressive.

Who cares, you say? Consumers aren't techheads, you mutter? Here's the problem - without us, the consumers end up with exactly what Apple wants to give them. Without us, people wont know that if they want to play games on their iMac (with the ever increasing catalogue) that an ATI 4650 256mb is simply NOT POWERFUL enough to run games at a decent resolution on a 30" display. Without us, they'll never know that paying over $2000 for a desktop pc is ridiculous given the components inside. Without us, they wouldn't know that outputing to a TV from an iPad at 480p/576p is just unacceptable in the era of HD televisions.

Knowledge is power and knowledge is freedom. Techheads exist for this purpose. We want power and freedom.

Apple is ushering in an era of "don't worry about it" "it'll just work" "you don't need to know the details" "options menu? what for? you don't need options"

Am I the only one that is terrified of this We have spent 20 years getting computing technology into mainstream consciences and Apple wants to take all the awesomeness of such technology and turn it into a toaster?

That's great and I'm sure it would be simple - but computing has limitless possibilities and we are training people to be dumb.

Am I am employing a bit of hyperbole - probably. But I am sick to death of people simply accepting , blindly, everything Apple churns out.

January 28, 2010 8:04 PM
 

SempSempSemp said:

@MattBakerJr

I wish I'd read that before I just typed all my rant. It's exactly what I feel.

January 28, 2010 8:05 PM
 

Ocean said:

"I spent way too much time playing with the iPad today. In fact, I'm still thinking about it and here's why:  The browser is better than the browser on my MacBook.   It might be the best browsing experience out there.  By a lot.

Not only is the browser really (MacBook Pro type) fast, but it is a much more natural way of "surfing".  Instead of hitting your trackpad you just point to what you want on the screen.  There is no hand-eye coordination required.  It is the best of the iPhone's pinch/scroll/zoom/resolution independence on a sufficiently large laptop caliber display.  If I want to go portrait?  Boom.

Make no mistake: Apple is targeting the uber-hot netbook market with this device.  What are you doing 90% of the time on a netbook?  Browsing. "

www.9to5mac.com/.../13498

January 28, 2010 8:06 PM
 

SPiotr said:

Guess who.

"There's just one problem: For all its over-the-top cuteness, the Wii is a one-trick pony"

January 28, 2010 9:01 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@sempsempsemp "Here's the root of the problem as I see it. "  Sorry your wrong.  How do I know?

Sales of the iPhone back it up.  Ever growing popularity of simple cloud apps.  Gaming consoles killing PC gaming sales.  Consumers want Microwave oven types of consumer electronics, master a few buttons and make it give you, your desired output.

If the right hardware is not in the device, because its slow or buggy consumers will answer with their wallets.  I know so many people that have switched to Macs, and the 90% of them did it because when it was time to get a new computer, the loathing of malware problems on Windows made them try a Mac.  They did not want to hear any more about all of the things they had to do to NOT get malware, they just wanted to use their computers.

Nothing wrong with being technical, it is my career, but people outside of IT, only think ROI or simply put....will it do what I need it to do.

January 28, 2010 9:27 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@MattBakerJr...what he really said was...

"Why has it taken so long? Because Steve Jobs reportedly wanted to make sure it's good for more than just surfing the Web on the can."

I would assume he was referring to the early days of Windows tablets where a full version of Windows ran on a under powered device.  Paul reminds everyone that Microsoft was first to have tablets a long time ago.  Paul is correct.  We had one at work, it sucked very much so.  It was ruggadized and that part of it did work well.

Yesterday, that's what he delivered to us.....something that is good for more than surfing the web on the can.

www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-tablet-mandate-more-than-just-a-web-toy-for-the-bathroom-2009-10

January 28, 2010 9:38 PM
 

solag said:

"@drwam  what you listed as your needs hardly matches anything that it was presented to be good at.  I did not hear Jobs or any of the others talk about Citrix, VPN, Active X, or making phone calls.  The phrase "mobile office" was never mentioned."

Maybe because they already have it covered:

Citrix Receiver for iPhone community.citrix.com/.../Citrix+Receiver+for+iPhone

the iPhone has had Cisco VPN support built in since 2.0 www.cisco.com/.../iphone.html

LogMeIn

secure.logmein.com/.../iPhone

Office support and document editing

http://www.quickoffice.com/

Etc...

Sorry, Dr. Wam if you are tied to an app that's tied to an ActiveX control. That's a sorry state. But otherwise, everything you initially cited as lacking is there. Most of it for quite a while now. Now picture it at a more natural, detailed size.

I've been more effectively remotely supporting my clients than my coworkers who have remained devoted to WinMo with the ease and strength of LogMeIn for iPhone. Think about... supporting Windows better than Microsoft devotees on an iPhone.

January 28, 2010 9:47 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

"Am I the only one that is terrified of this We have spent 20 years getting computing technology into mainstream consciences and Apple wants to take all the awesomeness of such technology and turn it into a toaster?"

It's worth noting, again that the iPad is probably not aimed at most people commenting here.  However, many people would love the benefits of a "computer" without having to worry about any of the details. Belittle it as a "toaster", but that is exactly what gives it a chance of success.

Gruber has a better analogy over on daringfireball: Automatic transmission. It isn't for purists, but it is used on 98% of the cars in the US, because it abstracts away the concept of gearing...you push on the gas pedal and the car goes. It's a little less efficient and there is a small performance tradeoff, and......almost no one cares.

Once upon a time, I had a nice little BMW with dual sidedraft carburetors. There was a twice yearly ritual of changing the jets in the Spring and the Winter. Now, it's abstracted away by a temperature sensing fuel injection system (on a Honda, for better or worse). I don't mind.

Posters here, Mac or PC, notwithstanding, practically NO ONE cares about the internals of a car, or a computer. That's who'll buy the iPad.

January 28, 2010 11:02 PM
 

subzerohitman721 said:

Paul,

This has to be one of your best writings. Not up there with "How Vista fails" but pretty close. Kudos.

Here's the problem with the iPad. Where does it fit? What service do you cannibalize from Apple to make it a success? It has the real problem of cutting into iPhone sales, it has the potential to cut into Macbook sales, it could really do a number on the Mac Mini sales.

It's not strong enough to be a true Net-book, because the Atom processor runs at 1.6 GHz. Future Atom's will probably be dual core and 2.0 GHz. The iPad lacks the processing power and the graphical strength to play 720p HD resolution. It can't be a notebook replacement because it doesn't have a full OS, hardware, storage or upgradeable capacity. I'll give Microsoft credit, PC tablets run the FULL VERSION of Windows 7, not iPhone OS 3.2.

So there's a real question of product confusion and questioning here. It's like Apple's created it's own multi-SKU problem that Windows Vista faced. Didn't they learn from Microsoft's blunders? I have really cheap iPod shuffle, Nano's, Classic's, Touch's, and now iPad to pick from. To me this is very similar parallel to starter, home basic, home premium, business, and Ultimate.

What really gets me, in the era of 500 GB, 1 TB, and & 2 TB hard disk, did they cripple the iPad with woefully insufficient storage? SSD's are nice, but they aren't really ready for 2010. Maybe 2012 or 2013, but 16, 32, and 64? You'd fill that sucker up in a heartbeat. Add up those apps, books, and video content, and the iPad makes even less sense.

I think HP's Touch-smart 2 tablet makes a lot more sense, cost the same as the iPad's high end, but then you get 720p resolution and 500 GB of storage. That's the better bang for the buck.

chuckb84,

"Posters here, Mac or PC, notwithstanding, practically NO ONE cares about the internals of a car, or a computer. That's who'll buy the iPad."

Really? I hear more and more everyday people talking about the mutli-cores in their machines, how big their hard drives are, how much memory it has, and other system internals when speaking about their personal devices. Or if we're talking cars, a V6 or V8 is very important vs a 4 cylinder powered machine under 200 hp. I don't know anyone with cash & taste, who would be a Mac user driving down the street with a Kia as their ride. Right?

I think you are so wrong on this one, you should be embarrassed that you said that. The details are very important in cars and computers. Unless you want to tell Steve Jobs you want the next iMac running on a dual core Celeron processor, EIDE drives, and DDR 2 memory?

If no one cared about the Internals of a car or a PC in this case, then why did Apple make a big deal about the Power-PC to Intel transition? Or about Grand Central in Snow Leopard? Or make a big deal about the iPad A4 processor? Or the iPad's 1024x768 screen resolution? Or even mention anything about it's storage?

Enjoy the crow my friend. ;)

January 29, 2010 2:49 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

How much does Microsoft pay you to write this dribble? The thing is that Apple have gotten the tablet right. Something Gates, Ballmer and Microsoft tried so hard to get right. They never did. Now Apple will. And Microsoft will copy.

Your posts show the jealousy which runs through the veins of Microsoft fanboys, like yourself and your followers.

Apple got the table RIGHT. They will bring it to the mainstream where Microsoft FAILED.

January 29, 2010 2:51 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

And you thought Mike Galos was a jerk only on this blog? He's known for being a jerk all over the internet. Another example: twitter.com/.../8247430227

January 29, 2010 2:53 AM
 

robertsjoe said:

There are plenty more examples of Microsoft people looking like jerks and getting it wrong. www.youtube.com/watch

You'll be wrong about the iPad.

It is jealousy. The iDud this year was Microsoft at CES. Nothing there. Lame. The excitement and future is with Apple and Google. And you guys are jealous. Plain and simple.

January 29, 2010 2:57 AM
 

scoobyclub said:

"Really? I hear more and more everyday people talking about the mutli-cores in their machines, how big their hard drives are, how much memory it has, and other system internals when speaking about their personal devices"

I suspect they are either geeks or it is simply small talk. Bit like talking about the weather. Something to talk about but they don't care really.

Agree with, Chuck. After watching the video of it being used I was hugely impressed with just how non-technical a piece of kit it is. Sure they have to talk about the specs, and things like battery life is important but for the customers of this it is more of casual device for a bit reading, bit of email, bit of video watching etc. I guess I am saying it is a information/media consumption device but not a device for creating some.

I think some people here have to stop looking at it is some form of laptop PC and criticising it for not having Office, USB ports etc. It is a bigger, better iPod Touch and people love those.

January 29, 2010 5:09 AM
 

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rr0de74@live.com said:

"If no one cared about the Internals of a car or a PC in this case, then why did Apple make a big deal about the Power-PC to Intel transition? Or about Grand Central in Snow Leopard? Or make a big deal about the iPad A4 processor? Or the iPad's 1024x768 screen resolution? Or even mention anything about it's storage?"

You are the once the will be eating crow.  This thing is going to sell and sell a lot.  

If you take the 90min rollout of this device, how much time was spent on hardware specs and how much time was spent what you can do with it?  9/10ths of the rollout was about what you can do with it.  This is a electronic device being unveiled in front of tech press and normal press.  You have to touch on the hardware, but just briefly.

"I'll give Microsoft credit, PC tablets run the FULL VERSION of Windows 7, not iPhone OS 3.2."

Really because a full PC OS in a tablet has sold so well, and devices running the iPhone OS have staggered so badly.  The $$$$$$$ dont even come close to supporting your view.

Sub...I hope at work you are not making any decisions about spending money .  Stick to re-imaging infected Windows boxes, and while doing so calculate how much time you would save if every PC at your work had a i7 with 8gigs of RAM and a raptor HD.  Ask your boss if you can upgrade the hardware as part of the clean up.

January 29, 2010 6:56 AM
 

Dude1313 said:

Here's an interesting thing that people are missing, Tayme kinda talked about it: price. Apple has already but major pressure on the OEMS for their tablets. HP currently offers the Mini 311 series starting at  $399, this is already in the same ballpark as the iPad.

So now the OEMs are in a quandary. Match Apple or go even lower? This is a new market for Apple who is making money at faster rate then either Dell or HP; in short Apple can affords to lose money. Can the OEMs? Dell sure can't afford to. Apple can simply play the waiting game and see what develops. Its interesting the crowd that says this is going to be a failure sure seems to be expending a massive amount of energy to destroy a not released [sic] “niche” product in a “niche” market.

How about Intel?

www.theinquirer.net/.../netbooks-atom-tale-intel-diminishing-profit-margins

Apple has now cut Intel out of the Laptop game as far as processor supplier to Apple. People are balking at the "paltry" A4 in the iPad .Those that fall back to the speed argument are simply not getting it. Apple can now chart their own course without having to rely on anyone for their own chips. Couple this with the MASSIVE economies of scale in Flash memory Apple has and they can/will/are exerting massive pressure.

Next up the device segment, the ebook readers, laptop replacement etc. Much like DRWAM my wife wants one of these and it’s actually a very good fit for her. She does use applications she is either on FaceBook, Hulu, YouTube or sending emails. About the only App she does use is iTunes or the Itunes store, this fits her needs to a T. An informal poll or just talking in my circle of friends has revealed that 8-10 people would buy it right now. The span the gamut from 2 Apple guys, 2 hard-core Windows IT guys, 3 different women saying this is exactly what they want for a computer/tablet/ebook/hybrid. Anecdotal? Sure. This is just my small circle of friends and co-workers.  

Note I'm talking about devices; I'm not talking about desktops, laptops. That is where the pro windows side is getting tripped up on. As I stated in the Paul’s IDud thread. This isn’t a device focused on you (i.e. 99.9% of us on this site).  This is focused on the vast consumer market who want a device that works and does a few things well, rather then the laundry wish list of bullet point features.

www.youtube.com/watch

In short good luck trying to stop this tidal wave that is coming. You might as well be beating back the tide with a broom. Could it fail? Sure. However I will point out that I would bet my money on Steve Jobs being right over the vast punditry of that the web seems to be a petri disk for mountain top wisdom on all things having to do with tablets.

Time will tell as to who’s going to be right.

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