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iSteal: Apple's iBooks Copies Interface from Third Party

In yet another example of Apple ripping off user interface, the maker of the popular Delicious Library application notes, accurately, that Apple has stolen his UI:

When Apple was demoing its new iBooks application for the iPad during their keynote address, I just kept thinking to myself: this simply must have been designed byDelicious Monster, the shop behind the brilliant Mac app Delicious Library. I’m not the only one who thought that either. Delicious Monster founder Wil Shipley thought the same thing. The only problem? His shop didn’t make it.


Separated a birth: Apple's iBooks and Delicious Library

In fact, Shipley was quite vocal on Twitter during the keynote today about the situation. “No, Apple didn’t license iBooks from me. They just copied me. Ah well,” he wrote. Later, he added, “I guess it’s not enough Apple has hired every employee who worked on Delicious Library, they also had to copy my product’s look. Flattery?” While Shipley tries to play it off as not that big of a deal, clearly he’s pretty upset about it. And he should be. I mean, the bookshelf view in iBooks is nearly identical to the main bookshelf view used in Delicious Library. Not only that, but it’s not like this is a little-known app that Apple may have missed: it has won the Apple Design Award twice, and been a runner-up one other time. Apple gives out those awards.

[Delcious Monster co-founder] Mike Matas was a UI designer on the iPad, [former employee] Lucas Newman is an iPhone / iPad engineer, and [former employee] Tim Omernick was an iPhone / iPad engineer but left a while ago to work on games independently.

But the thing about iBooks is, it’s a book-reader. So, of course they looked around, found the best interface for displaying books (Delicious Library’s shelves), and said: yup, this is what we’re doing,” he went on to say. “Although Delicious Library was the first to do it, we didn’t try to copyright the idea of wooden shelves, or of showing books photo-realistically. ‘Look and feel’ is kind of an outmoded concept, I think.

Now, of course Apple couldn’t contact me ahead of time and say, ‘Hey, we’re taking your idea, thanks.’ Their lawyers would worry they’d open themselves to a huge lawsuit, for one, and they’d also be leaking a secret. Nor could they write me a check. Even a token one would be an admission (in their lawyers’ eyes) that they were copying something. They are a public company — they can’t write someone a check unless they got some value in return. And if they got value, the lawyers would ask, how much was it? How was it determined?,” he continues

So their official policy has to be, ‘No, of course it’s a crazy coincidence that these shelves look almost entirely like Delicious Library’s shelves.‘,” he concludes.

Now if I know Apple fanatics like I know Apple fanatics, they're going to turn on Shipley immediately and say that a bookshelf is an obvious idea. I mean, what better way is there to display books?

Just ask Amazon, for example.

Oh. Turns out there are other ways. And that mimicking real world interfaces doesn't actually make sense on a digital device all the time. Just a thought.

Thanks to Robert J. for the tip.

Comments

 

chipwinter said:

I have to agree.

The idea of displaying books for reading on library shelves isn't something one just comes up with off the top of their heads.

January 28, 2010 8:56 AM
 

Waethorn said:

Who puts books face out on a bookshelf anyway?

January 28, 2010 9:14 AM
 

whiplash55 said:

You guys don't get it, something this amazing and revolutionary could only be made by Apple.

January 28, 2010 9:24 AM
 

Rog Andre said:

Corporate theft! This and who was that guy who took a beating in China on behalf of Apple? You know the guy who had a hand in the design of the i phone and lost a prototype.

An openly criminal corporation! Wow.........

January 28, 2010 9:32 AM
 

Poweredbylinux said:

Like Microsoft hasn't done this before <cough> Citrx/terminal server</cough>

January 28, 2010 9:35 AM
 

Rog Andre said:

So if microsoft did it then it's fine for apple to do it? Besides I haven't heard of anything that links microsoft to physical violence of one of it's employees. Oh yes that story vanished very quickly.

January 28, 2010 9:41 AM
 

yoshipod said:

Given the percentage of topics and posts, I think its time to rename this website...

applesupersite

By the way, where is the big headline about Microsoft not meeting its deadline to provide the facebook app for Zune as promised?  

arstechnica.com/.../-microsoft-says-it-wont.ars

You made a big stink about Apple being late with the bootcamp update for Windows 7?

Was there the same post about Bing stealing the UI from Google?  The similarities there are also very striking....

January 28, 2010 9:48 AM
 

Poweredbylinux said:

The first thing that came to mind after reading the article is; the pot calling the kettle black.  

Furthermore, my comments were not directed at Microsoft - it was more towards the overall view of the blog.

January 28, 2010 9:53 AM
 

aemarques said:

@whiplash55 You are inspired today, man! :-)

January 28, 2010 9:56 AM
 

maati said:

The Mail application on the iPad is an exact copy of Microsoft Hotmail.

January 28, 2010 9:56 AM
 

Poweredbylinux said:

I installed Windows 7 (beta) on my Mac. It actually ran well, although I had an problem with the sound card.

My friend at work has Windows 7 on his iBook. I was really impressed with the general performance of the OS.

January 28, 2010 9:58 AM
 

Mecandes said:

Oh, and here I thought they were stealing it from the Commodore 64 app; it's got that bookshelf look too: http://c64.manomio.com/

(I thought it was more amusing to think Apple was stealing an interface from Commodore... ;)

January 28, 2010 9:59 AM
 

chuckb84 said:

Faux outrage. Paul, of course, does this periodically. Always, curiously, with Apple....never Microsoft.

The last time I can recall was over "widgets", which were supposedly ripped off from Konfabulator widgets.

Never mind that Apple invented the concept as "Desk Accessories" in 1984 and that spanned numerous imitators like SideKick, etc.

Never mind that Microsoft unabashedly copied Widgets as "Gadgets" in Vista.

But then, we don't expect Paul to be troubled by the facts when he's discussing Apple.

For the record, I do think Apple treated Will badly. But, Paul's outrage is entirely one of convenience as a means to flog Apple, because he doesn't do this with Microsoft.

Finally, the reference to the old Commodore program shows that the "rip off" may in fact be dubious. Lots of prior art here....

January 28, 2010 10:11 AM
 

gfryesc1 said:

oh thurrott, so amusing.  this might be a combination of scott brown as your senator and all the press apple has received over the last few days that has really bunched up your panties.  The bookshelf interface is fairly lame no matter who does it... as you yourself just wrote yesterday:

Creating a "library" page that looks like a real bookshelf and a book interface that visually resembles a book does not make this "easier to use" or "nicer." It makes it unprofessional looking, actually. Childish.

so according to you, 'unprofessional' yesterday is an award winning idea today.  you sway with the winds, don't you thurrott.

January 28, 2010 10:14 AM
 

Bodypaint said:

What a bunch of low life, scum sucking, thieving, dirt bags!

This company has got to go, what is it going to take for the market place to exact retribution for some of the crap they've forced on their customers. People why would you use this companies products?

The sheer arrogance of these guys is sickening.

iPad, owned by Fujitsu, taken by apple, (lousy name anyway) but the fact that they didn't purchase the rights to it before they produced this POS is just standard practice for cupertino.

Konfabulator: originated with guys unrelated to cupertino, stolen by apple now part of osx called dashboard

Coverflow: concept and working prototype part of Searchme search engine, concept mysteriously appears as new feature of osx..

These guys are thieves.. PERIOD!!

Oh and one more thing the ipad is a POS. Anyone who buys one needs to experience an intervention to rid themselves of cult dependencies.

January 28, 2010 10:16 AM
 

Poweredbylinux said:

Exactly, chuckb84!

I understand this is a Pro-Microsoft site, but article totally slams Apple and doesn't take into consideration that Microsoft has done the same.

January 28, 2010 10:23 AM
 

sayguh said:

I'm an Apple fan and this clearly looks like a very bad design theft on Apple's part.

If the original company owner has any intelligence he will/should sue (or threaten) and I'm sure he'll get a nice payment for it.

But yea, shame on Apple for that one

January 28, 2010 10:27 AM
 

pghcoder said:

Its OK, the grain of the wood at the back of the shelf in DL runs horizontal. On the iPad it runs vertical. No problem. Move along. Nothing to see here.

Yeah. Speaking as a developer, this is a long term disturbing Apple trait. Taking ideas, UIs, etc.  iPodderX, Konfabulator, Delicious Library, etc. And they take from small indie developers who can't really afford to fight back. And with the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad being a closed system... if they did fight back, would they ever get another app approved?

There's the hideous business practices that we see them openly engaged in, and with the closed approval process there's also tremendous potential for abuse that we won't necessarily be able to see.

January 28, 2010 10:27 AM
 

phh said:

Actually, "poweredbylinux," Microsoft bought WinFrame from Citrix in the NT4 days to use as the basis for Terminal Services. Try again.

January 28, 2010 10:31 AM
 

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January 28, 2010 10:37 AM
 

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January 28, 2010 10:38 AM
 

EricoF3 said:

Nooooop... Not possible..... Just Microsoft steal things...... <sarcastically>

Hahahahah!!! More than the design of the library is discussing, they stolen it?! HAhahaha!!!

Do you see the book effects when turning pages on a book on the iPad hahahah!! Is it a joke???

All knows that we must never try to replicate the reality in a software... All software that try that failed in the past... All knows that... But not Apple Haaaaaaaaahahaha!!!!!!!

To funny ... Stop me laugh... I break my bones.... hahahahaha!!

January 28, 2010 11:04 AM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

So, although this guys is vocal, is he going to sue?  If he thinks he has a case, he should go for it.

January 28, 2010 11:06 AM
 

Poweredbylinux said:

I understand Microsoft re-licensed the technology from Citrix. I was merely citing an example of Microsoft capitalizing on another companies technology.  Which appears to be a taboo if anyone else does it.

January 28, 2010 11:10 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

Welcome to iWinsuperiste where iPhony iPaul covers all things Apple in depth and with that special iHate only he can muster.

Stay tuned for more after the morning meds kick in.

If you were looking or news and information about Microsoft or Windows please go to www.bing.com

January 28, 2010 11:13 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

"Konfabulator: originated with guys unrelated to cupertino, stolen by apple now part of osx called dashboard"

Or gadgets.

January 28, 2010 11:14 AM
 

DRWAM said:

Paul, I agree with you most of the time, but this post is the third in 24 hrs in a row bashing the same Apple product. Definitely showing more than bias, but hatred. Ease up  a bit.

Doc.

January 28, 2010 11:24 AM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

"I understand Microsoft re-licensed the technology from Citrix. I was merely citing an example of Microsoft capitalizing on another companies technology.  Which appears to be a taboo if anyone else does it."

Lol....

SQL came from Sybase SQL sold to MS.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Microsoft_SQL_Server

NT came from hiring the makers of VMS

windowsitpro.com/.../Index.cfm

MOM came from NetIQ source code.

itmanagement.earthweb.com/.../MOM-vs-The-Giants-Microsoft-Struggles-for-Net-Management-Supremacy.htm

Many of the people that worked on Exchange came from the Digital Mailworks team.

SMS 1.0 was code licensed from LanManager.

The defraging tool in Windows came from DiskKeeper.

The backup tool in Windows came from the makers of BackupExec.

but.......

Vista, the Zune and the RROD/360 are pure Microsoft.

January 28, 2010 11:30 AM
 

Mark KB said:

@chuckb84

"Desk Accessories" is really stretching it - although I can certainly see how they could have been inspiration for gadgets, saying it invented the concept is pushing it. Desk Accessories were designed as a workaround for the fact that the OS was incapable of multitasking (and therefore couldn't launch, say, a calculator app), and after it gained the ability, Apple actively encouraged developers to write small apps, rather than Desk Accessories.

If we're talking about gadgets in their current form, I'd say Active Desktop, in 1998, predicted it (at least, the small movable objects giving you internet-updated infos). Even so, the Sidebar came out of a research concept called Sideshow (2000), and was first shown in Longhorn builds in 2002 with configurable "tiles".

That said, arguing about whether Microsoft or Apple invented the idea is ridiculous. There's no clear victor, and we could argue point-by-point until the cows come home. It's also not clear who inspired what, since Microsoft has examples of similar concepts going back years, and Apple certainly could have had their own secret project going on. There's no clear-cut case.

January 28, 2010 11:42 AM
 

jecouch66 said:

@poweredbylinux -

I think Paul's point here was to show that Apple does the same thing as MS in this respect, they just don't get vilified for it.  Now, you may or may not agree with the point, but I'm pretty sure that is the point.  He's certainly not saying that it's okay for MS to do it.

January 28, 2010 12:01 PM
 

lotsamystuff said:

Heaven help me, for once I completely agree with Paul. This is indefensible...I figured Apple had licensed something from DM.

For shame...

January 28, 2010 12:11 PM
 

Logjamming said:

LOL! A Microsoft-apologist writing about THEFT? What about the Microsoft Word theft? Oh, the envy, the envy, the envy.

All you Microsoft guys have rendered mockups, a delayed OS (stolen), a EU lawsuit, a Word lawsuit, and lots of people leaving you for an iMac. Because face it: W7 did nothing on mac-sales.

Paul, we're seriously considering nominating your mental disorders for DSM-IV.

January 28, 2010 12:11 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@DRWAM maybe you could prescribe some iXanax iPaxil for the iHate:)

January 28, 2010 12:14 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

I agree its a rip off of the "look", but the programs do two totally different things.

Its less of a big deal since 3 former employees of that DM worked directly on the iPad project.  Less, but not forgiven.

January 28, 2010 12:17 PM
 

tayme said:

@DRWAM - " Definitely showing more than bias, but hatred."

You are correct, good Dr.(except that there are 4 articles if you count the one over on WinInfo)...but as I have said before...Penton pays Paul to write this stuff. I am now even more amazed at the amount of time that many of the regular iCabalists have spent on Paul's sites bashing and arguing with him. Paul probably spent a total of 1 hour writing all 4 articles...these idiots have spent the entirety of the last 24 hours railing on him! It is actually quite hilarious, because Paul is getting quite a return on his invested time!!!

--tayme

January 28, 2010 12:18 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

Nooo! come on!! This paradigm cannot be under patent... IT IS A BOOKSHELF...

The bookshelf paradigm cannot be patented, it is to basic...

January 28, 2010 12:39 PM
 

Rasken said:

It's all especially hilarious cause Wil Shipley is an unabashed Apple fanboy as well as an Apple Developper.

It's quite a conundrum he must be in.  Do I support a relationship where I'm going openly abused?   This is very analogous with a spouse hitting you across the face..

January 28, 2010 12:41 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

@Logjamming: YOUR mental disorder is already in the DSM-V

Silly...

January 28, 2010 12:42 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"Thanks to Robert J. for the tip"

Did RobertsJoe jump ship?

"I agree its a rip off of the "look", but the programs do two totally different things."

They do?  They both seem to offer books for sale, right?

January 28, 2010 12:46 PM
 

chuckb84 said:

"@DRWAM - " Definitely showing more than bias, but hatred."

You are correct, good Dr.(except that there are 4 articles if you count the one over on WinInfo)...but as I have said before...Penton pays Paul to write this stuff."

Thanks Doc and tayme too; a glimmer of rationality.

We don't know how Paul gets paid, or by whom. I don't know if is paid directly by Microsoft, or merely gets special considerations from them....insider access, early information, etc.

it is clear that his entire livelihood is tied to the success of Microsoft, so his credentials as a "technology journalist" are very suspect. He's not quite Rob Enderle (he's way smarter than Enderle, for one thing), but these Apple rants are becoming unhinged.

Does he do it for money? I doubt it, because the damage to his "reputation"....such as it is, more than outweighs trolling in a hits on a 4th tier tech web page.

Like the punchline of all those old jokes, he just can't help it.

Sad.

January 28, 2010 12:55 PM
 

aemarques said:

@ Bodypaint said:

iPad, owned by Fujitsu, taken by apple, (lousy name anyway) but the fact that they didn't purchase the rights to it before they produced this POS is just standard practice for cupertino.

- they did exactly the same thing with the iPhone, a trademark owned by Cisco at the time. They even had phones with that name on the market!

Shoot first, ask questions later...

January 28, 2010 12:57 PM
 

daveinla said:

Erico:

"To funny ... Stop me laugh... I break my bones.... hahahahaha!!

Admit it, you're Borat with a new pseudo no ????

January 28, 2010 1:03 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@dipsh t Admin

Delicious Library is a database tool for things you collect.  From their site...

"Catalog your books, movies, music, software, toys, tools, electronics, & video games."

The iPad, iBook app is iTunes for books.  It will list books you have bought and allow you to shop for them/download them.  

You could not catalog your tools with iBook.

January 28, 2010 1:11 PM
 

WebGuy3000 said:

'"I agree its a rip off of the "look", but the programs do two totally different things."

They do?  They both seem to offer books for sale, right?'

No.  Delicious Library is a cataloging program that creates an inventory of all your digital (and non-digital) assets  - books, movies, music, software, toys, tools, electronics, & video games.  It's pretty slick, actually, if you have the energy for that sort of thing. (I don't)

January 28, 2010 1:14 PM
 

tayme said:

Here is a little view at what the market is thinking about iPad as an e-reader:

AMZN 125.95 +3.20 +2.61%

AAPL 199.66 -8.22 -3.96%

--tayme

January 28, 2010 1:17 PM
 

roteague said:

"Poweredbylinux said:

Like Microsoft hasn't done this before <cough> Citrx/terminal server</cough>"

Uhh, no. Microsoft licenses this technology from them.

January 28, 2010 1:19 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

"if you have the energy for that sort of thing. (I don't)"

I agree, you have to really be into collecting stuff.  

DM and Amazon have gone round and round because DM used to pull info from Amazon until Amazon blocked them.  If you had a real book and you entered it into DL, it would try to get the info, like book jacket image, book info etc for you so you would not have to type all of that in.  Basically a time saver for those who catalog their collections.

January 28, 2010 1:23 PM
 

Dipsh t Admin said:

"so his credentials as a "technology journalist" are very suspect. "

I don't know of any tech journalist that isn't suspect.  I imagine it relates greatly to what you are personally a fan of.

January 28, 2010 2:11 PM
 

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January 28, 2010 2:43 PM
 

imachias said:

It's funny, I thought for sure Apple had ripped off Microsoft Bob. That bookshelf looks very Bob-ish.

January 28, 2010 3:09 PM
 

NoNameAtAll said:

I'm not surprised. MS does the same thing, though they get castrated for it. Meanwhile, Apple does it and then it's alright.

Neither side is that great to be honest.

January 28, 2010 3:11 PM
 

ebernet said:

Get off it Paul/Will. I see it more as a copy of Classics (and much more fitting in the metaphor, because unlike with Delicious Library, in iBooks and in Classics you can actually READ the books), or comiczeal. Or what have you.

The idea of displaying books, on an um, bookshelf, is not a novel idea. Get over it.

You didn't see Will complain when Classics came out.

What is MUCh more curious, and something that would be worth covering if you really had much insight, is what the release of iBooks will mean to all the OTHER book apps and book stores. Will Amazon be allowed to release the Kindle Reader/store app for the iPad? How about Lexcycle and their Book Reader Stanza and it's integrated book store. Will THOSE get banned?

Instead of writing about sensationalism, why don't you examine that? Disappointed, but not surprised by your sensationalism...

January 28, 2010 3:23 PM
 

ebernet said:

I just read that the Classics author contacted Will before publishing it.

Still, the point is there, the fact that they use an obvious metaphor is not as important is "will they deny other book readers a place in the iPhone app store"

Since they do "duplicate functionality" of an existing app and may "cause confusion" as Apple often uses to evict other apps....

January 28, 2010 3:36 PM
 

kent909 said:

I'm waiting for the people to show up that invented the colored pixel, claiming that Apple has ripped them off. If Apple borrowed or stole the concept that is one thing. If you are just looking for anything to evilize Apple that is something else. I seriously doubt that PT gives a dam about Shipley and his issue. This is just another obtuse way to bad mouth Apple. I wonder if Paul typed this on his Apple MacBook Pro or discussed it with people on his iPhone. The man is a disingeious hypocrite.

January 28, 2010 4:10 PM
 

tonymartin said:

Remember Hypercard? I recall one of the preinstalled stacks having the bookshelf metaphor.

January 28, 2010 7:32 PM
 

robertsjoe said:

Wow. This blog is getting worse and worse. Written by a troll for Microtards. What of Microsoft's many, many, many incidents of clear theft from others? Even until this year. Whether it's ideas, source code, graphics. Microsoft are evil for a reason.

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NoNameAtAll said:

Jobs to NYT on Kindle:

"It doesn't matter how good or bad the product is, the fact is that people don't read anymore. Forty percent of the people in the U.S. read one book or less last year. The whole conception is flawed at the top because people don't read anymore."

In a later interview...today actually, Jobs said...

"You're not going to read for 10 hours...you just end up pluggin' it in."

Hm.

www.engadget.com/.../steve-jobs-compares-ipad-battery-life-to-kindles-youre-not-g

January 29, 2010 8:34 AM
 

NoNameAtAll said:

Do note: I like the device and I think it is neat, but I don't like Jobs' attitude. So don't start with the whole "WinJihadist" junk. I side with no one.

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