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Windows Home Server "Vail" Leak

I've gotten a lot of email about the leak of Windows Home Server "Vail," i.e. the next major version of Microsoft's home server solution. (Read Mary Jo Foley's write-up.) The side issue here, of course, is that I haven't really mentioned it yet. (Though I did discuss it on yesterday's podcast a bit.) Why is this?

I'm in kind of a tough spot with this one. I was briefed on Vail a long time ago. So long, in fact, that I'm guessing much has changed. My rough understanding of this release, and this is while trying to not step all over an NDA I've agreed to, is that it will be based on Windows Server 2008 (now R2) and will be 64-bit only. It will include some form of Windows Media Center-style TV recording functionality, most likely.

So, yeah. I will install the leaked build. But I need to figure out whether I can even discuss this in any meaningful way. If I can, I will do so.

In the meantime, this thing is in very rough shape so don't expect much if you're looking to install it. For example, it cannot replace the shipping version of the software, it's just not there yet.

Rafael and I are talking about doing an in-depth feature list, like we did for Windows 7. His tools for getting the OS to identify each feature it includes will work for this Windows version as well, so it should be pretty authoritative.

Comments

 

Dyltone said:

I have no idea why, but I'm very excited to hear about this.

January 29, 2010 2:02 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

Out of topic : Apple growth their Mac sales of 33% in the last Quarter??

Microsoft just announced they growth their earnings of 60% in the last quarter... Sales of Windows division has growth of 70% in the last quarter...

Big deal Apple...

Source : canoe.ca

"Microsoft has announced an increase of earnings up 60 percent in the last quarter, thanks to a recovery in the sector of sales of personal computers.

The PC industry took life during the holiday, after having experienced one of its most difficult years of its existence. Microsoft performance is closely related to sales of computers because its most profitable divisions manufacture Windows operating system and Office management software package.

Microsoft executives have announced, Thursday, an increase in net income of 6, 7 G $ US or 74 cents per share for the quarter ending December 31. During this period, revenues increased by 13 % and amounted to 19 G $ US.

The most recent version of Windows, named Windows 7 was launched during this quarter. Windows division revenues have risen by 70 %."

January 29, 2010 2:11 PM
 

NoNameAtAll said:

Sounds interesting, I think.

January 29, 2010 2:15 PM
 

nickgailfus said:

I guess I'll hold out for that Windows Home Server I wanted to get.

January 29, 2010 2:37 PM
 

redunion1940 said:

and EricoF3 tries to start something with the Mac and Linux fans

January 29, 2010 2:41 PM
 

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January 29, 2010 2:53 PM
 

Ocean said:

Back to MS.

I've never really understood this product.

January 29, 2010 2:58 PM
 

ModernDislocation said:

@EricoF3

Microsoft's quarterly announcement was indeed really good.

That said, comparing MS's total revenue growth to another companies product growth is really isn't relevant. That would be like comparing Apple's overall revenue to Zune sales. They simply are not comparable as one is counting dollars made across multiple business lines and the other is the number of widgets sold in one business line.

Both companies had great quaters

January 29, 2010 3:26 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"it will be based on Windows Server 2008 (now R2) and will be 64-bit only"

It would have to be 64-bit only, since that is the only way that Windows Server 2008 R2 ships.

One thing I'd like to see of a new Home Server product is a version of WSUS that works well for home setups.  Getting security and other critical updates from a single download would seem to be a benefit to home users stuck with monthly bandwidth caps from their ISP.  Do home versions of Windows support Windows update server local policy changes?  Since we wouldn't be talking about group policy (there's no AD in WHS), the connector software could just modify local policies for that functionality.  I wonder if anybody has every tried utilizing WSUS on WHS yet....

January 29, 2010 3:51 PM
 

Waethorn said:

If anybody was building an ultra-cheap PC and wanted it to work with Server 2008 R2 (for the next WHS), take a look at AMD's new Sempron 100 series processors.  They're single core, but they're far faster than the minimum 2.0GHz requirement for Server 08 R2, and you shouldn't need a dual-core processor for the next WHS.  Newegg has a Sempron 140 for $33US, and an ECS AM3 micro ATX motherboard for all of $32 after mail-in rebate.  Add a case, RAM, and most importantly, your hard drive[s].

January 29, 2010 4:05 PM
 

NoNameAtAll said:

"and EricoF3 tries to start something with the Mac and Linux fans"

Why, oh why must SOMEONE try to start something? Y'know? Every OS has its advantages and disadvantages.

January 29, 2010 4:11 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

ModernDislocation said: "That said, comparing MS's total revenue growth to another companies product growth is really isn't relevant. That would be like comparing Apple's overall revenue to Zune sales. They simply are not comparable as one is counting dollars made across multiple business lines and the other is the number of widgets sold in one business line."

Hep! sorry but I don't compare total revenue of MS with another company product growth!! I compare Mac Sales versus Windows 7 sales!!!

This is quit relevant!! Because each Windows version sold means one less Mac sold.

January 29, 2010 4:28 PM
 

USArcher said:

I purchase my 1st WHS back in November of 2007.  It has done everything I wanted in addition to running IPPBX software from 3CX to support my business.   The Media Center like capabilities in "Vail", should that materialize, is exactly the thing that will cause me to upgrade.  Its due.

January 29, 2010 4:31 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

NoNameAtAll  said:

"Why, oh why must SOMEONE try to start something? Y'know? Every OS has its advantages and disadvantages."

Right!!! The only thing I try to do is to show how Apple and Apple fan are twisted because they insinuated that Apple are the genius of the crisis by had a 33% Mac sales growth... And They are genius because they will release a iTampax waowwww...

And while Apple masturbe intellectualy himself, Microsoft them, have a 70 % increase in sales Window 7 for a total of 60 % of the revenue increase total... And during this time, Apple makes laugh at him with his iTampax... Good intellectual masturbation Apple and Apple fanboys...

January 29, 2010 4:35 PM
 

derekpress said:

Yep Media Center functionality is definitely due. It kills me to leave a fat client running 24/7 to record some shows and watch TV.

I'm considering getting a nettop with a dual core Atom and Ion so I can pump 1080p over the network and run Media Center with minimal electricity requirements.

January 29, 2010 4:48 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

Home Server Done right...

www.synology.com/.../index.php

January 29, 2010 5:01 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

"I compare Mac Sales versus Windows 7 sales!!!"

Hahaha that is funny.  Mac's (computer hardware) vs Windows 7 (computer software).  

Why not compare how many cars Ford sold vs how many insurance policies Geico wrote last quarter.

January 29, 2010 5:06 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"This is quit relevant!! Because each Windows version sold means one less Mac sold."

Not necessarily.  If you count the Mac users that run Windows, each sale could mean there's one more Mackie hypocrit out there.

"I'm considering getting a nettop with a dual core Atom and Ion"

Make sure you have a wireless N network too, and not the new, lame N 150Mbps standard.  300Mbps wireless N was designed for HD video streaming.  Using WMM support on your router also helps.  An Atom 330 still isn't that great of a processor either.  If you wanted to do other stuff on the computer, it's not that great (has better options for web browsing than alternatives though).

Hell, you could use a PS3 with Windows Media Connect on WHS, and download videos to the PS3 hard drive so that you don't encounter any buffering issues over the PS3's wireless G (depends on the bitrate of your video content).  $299 for a PS3, vs. how much for an Ion nettop?  

You could similarly use an Xbox 360, and the Elite models are silent now, but I'm just going on personal experience with my own fat PS3 with the upgraded 320GB hard drive.

Also, if you can still get a fat PS3, you can always grab a PowerPC version of Linux and run Firefox and OpenOffice on your TV.

January 29, 2010 5:20 PM
 

Waethorn said:

"Home Server Done right...www.synology.com/.../index.php"

Wow!  How wrong you are!  I deal with ASI on a regular basis and asked about these awhile back, and they don't recommend them anymore because of the reseller complaints they've had about them.  They're slow due to limited processing power and memory, and have had major RAID failures numerous times where customers have lost all of their data due to RAID sync issues.  ASI Canada doesn't stock them anymore.  Ingram Micro Canada hasn't issued any reorders for these for the last 2 months either, which is telling.

"Why not compare how many cars Ford sold vs how many insurance policies Geico wrote last quarter."

Um, actually if you compared number of Fords sold to number of insurance claims, I'd say you'd have proved his point for him.

January 29, 2010 5:47 PM
 

DRWAM said:

So what's the deal? Will we all be running some Home Server in the future? Where does the cloud fit in?

It seems sorts right since the new TV models have WiFi and internet apps, but I'd like you geeks to make the call.

January 29, 2010 7:00 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@waethorn, I have deployed at least half a dozen Synology boxes all still working fine.  Way better than NetGear and Dlink that is for sure.  I have also deployed some QNAP as well, but the management piece is not a good.

The Synology boxes come in many sizes.  The one I linked is a perfect home NAS.  It works good with Windows and Mac's.  It has a boat load of features.

www.synology.com/.../index.php

The backup options are very nice, backing up the device to another one is super simple and will do rsync snapshots to another box off site.

The higher end models (5 bays, $1000 empty) are VMware certified, and have dual GIGE nics for port aggregation.  I have used one for a 2 server ESXi deployment worked like a champ.

January 29, 2010 8:17 PM
 

rr0de74@live.com said:

@DRWAM if your house is pure Windows, with say a Xbox 360 then WHS is a good product.  It does have some support for Macs, but not with out hacks.

That said there are lots of options out there.  Lots of NAS products offer great speed and tons of features like audio, video and photo streaming, FTP servers, download servers etc.  Support for UPNP and DNLA for lots of devices including consoles.

There are free solutions as well like FreeNAS if you got an old desktop PC that could be turned into NAS/SAN.

For remote control, www.logmein.com is the king of free solutions.

January 29, 2010 8:22 PM
 

ModernDislocation said:

@ EricoF3

You said:

"Hep! sorry but I don't compare total revenue of MS with another company product growth!! I compare Mac Sales versus Windows 7 sales!!!

This is quit relevant!! Because each Windows version sold means one less Mac sold."

In the academic field of where we study Logic this is the fallacy  known as a "false dichotomy" . You assume that a customer is faced with the choice of Mac or Windows 7. If so the Mac market share would be much higher than it actually is. Microsoft is reporting that they sold 60 million units of Windows 7 and apple sold that 3.3 million Macs and the numbers of computers sold in the same quarter was 300 million ( a rough average per IDC and Gartner). Obviously neither Win 7 nor the Mac had any sort of majority there. So claiming that Win 7 sales only impacted Mac sales is just not true. They may very well have come at the cost of Win Vista, Win XP or some kind of *nix. We do know that Mac market share went up despite Win 7, so it is more likely that Win 7 sales came at the expense of another OS and that was most likely another MS OS.

January 29, 2010 8:25 PM
 

DRWAM said:

Thanks rrode. I'm just trying to figure out the direction of tech in my future or everyone's future. I do own a couple Macs but have more Win PC's. However, my main personal computer is my Pro Tower with SL. I guess I'm just used to the Mac OS for home use, especially iMovie to make DVD's of the kids. I'm a creature of habit. At work though, it's all Windows.

Many of the docs at wok have iPhones now, and so do their wives. My wife has one now too, a 32GB 3GS, while I still use my 16GB 3G. No problems with any of it, but I'm a bit more tech savvy than most. They are both jailbroken ;)

January 29, 2010 9:43 PM
 

screechi0784 said:

I'm very exited about this new WHS, I saw the video on mary J blog, and I'm very impressed about the web interface and the media streaming capabilities it has. It looks very much like the media center, but whit some nice UI changes. The web interface is nice, very windows live style...I'm looking forward to see how it would integrate with the library features in windows 7.

January 29, 2010 10:08 PM
 

EricoF3 said:

ModernDislocation  said:

@ EricoF3

You said: "In the academic field of where we study Logic this is the fallacy  known as a "false dichotomy" . You assume that a customer is faced with the choice of Mac or Windows 7. If so the Mac market share would be much higher than it actually is. Microsoft is reporting that they sold 60 million units of Windows 7 and apple sold that 3.3 million Macs and the numbers of computers sold in the same quarter was 300 million ( a rough average per IDC and Gartner). Obviously neither Win 7 nor the Mac had any sort of majority there. So claiming that Win 7 sales only impacted Mac sales is just not true. They may very well have come at the cost of Win Vista, Win XP or some kind of *nix. We do know that Mac market share went up despite Win 7, so it is more likely that Win 7 sales came at the expense of another OS and that was most likely another MS OS."

Yes you are right... Basically The only thing I try to demonstrate is that not just Apple doing good thing... Also, The only thing we can do to compre OSX versus Windows is to compare Mac sales versus Windows sales ... The reason is in general OSX is bought with a Mac PC and Windows is bought with a PC of any brand... So I could tell that the comparition between Dell, HP, ACERS and Lenovo PC versus Mac Sales but I prefer to tell Mac versus Window... All you understand ... Just mac user seems to not understand... maybe they are too besy with their intellectual masturbation...

January 30, 2010 1:20 AM
 

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ModernDislocation said:

@EricoF3

You can compare any two number you like. It just doesn't mean anything. Using the numbers you are using, you are artificially raising the Mac market share. Comparing Win 7 licenses sold to Mac sales results in over 4% market share rather than the 3% range they are in.

Anyway, as I said before, both Mac sales and Windows sales were good. No rational person would claim 30% and 70% were bad growth numbers. Now if you are either a Mac fanboy or a Win fanboy you might try to turn those numbers into things they are not.

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heran said:

@We do know that Mac market share went up despite Win 7, so it is more likely that Win 7 sales came at the expense of another OS and that was most likely another MS OS."

Ok, we get it. The same logic, the sales of Snow Leopard means it came at the expense of another Apple OS, most likely Leopard or Tiger.

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Logjamming said:

@ EricoFormulaFord

Right. Apple had nearly the same revenue last quarter as Microsoft, with Microsoft exceeding it by a mere 8-9%. Microsoft has a 25-30 fold marketshare over Apple and has nearly three times more employees.

Microsoft released their copied version of OSX, called W7 (it even includes a dock!), and it did NOTHING to Mac sales. In fact, Apple sold more Mac computer last quarter than in the same quarter in 2008.

Keep dreaming, nutjob.

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ModernDislocation said:

@heran-

The case of Snow Leopard is a little different as once it was released you could no longer buy Tiger or Leopard and so on. That said, a boxed copy of Snow Leopard would almost exclusively be used to upgrade an existing Mac (sure, a small number were used on hackinotshes). Since they are used to upgrade an existing system they would not represent any sort of overall market share growth for the overall Mac platform and those sales would not be at the expense of any version of Windows.

So, yes, we more or less agree on the point. People upgrading a system's OS don't change the overall Windows, Mac or *nix market share but just the product mix within each of those larger categories.

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Waethorn said:

@rrode:  When 2 of the authorized distributors for a vendor stop carrying that vendors product line (and are both major worldwide distributors), it doesn't bode well for the vendor, and speaks volumes about the quality of the product.  Honestly, I've never used one, but I don't feel I can justify buying product from that vendor any more than the numerous other resellers that returned them.  If it were only one reseller sending them back, I'd retract that position, but these are numerous resellers having issues with defective units, and the distributor is pulling out, so that blatantly says "Stay away!" to me.

January 30, 2010 11:54 AM
 

whiplash55 said:

@log

"Keep dreaming, nutjob"

Keep trolling Dbag.

Must be bored, or unstable, or both.

Windows Home Server rocks, it's certainly a great product, I've set up a number of them and everyone who uses it loves it. Getting 2008 as a backbone will only improve things. Say what you want about MS, they have more hits lately than misses. I think Win. Mo. 7 will be great, especially if its tied to the Zune store. I just downloaded over 400 songs of newer artists I hadn't really gotten into until I heard my kids play them. Cost me the same as when I download my 20-30 songs a month I usually get. The subscription service is addicting.

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