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EricoF3 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:32:52 GMT

@Balthazar9: No no!! you are right!! NASA don't use Windows for the space shuttle!!! Windows is not a system for that!!! They need all the control of they OS to do thing like that and it is normal they use *nix system in these cases!!

But it is not exact to say NASA use only *nix system for the real work....I work for a company that develop a software that is used for quality insurance of Aeronautic hardware piece that is used by NASA ... So .... This system is used to verify microscopic fissures in pieces... and NASA use Our system to check Space Shuttle broken pieces and to verify that pieces are not fissured... They also use our system to verify that satellite mirrors are perfectly clean before sending it in rotation around the planet so...

And our system Run on Windows ... So... I should know!!

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adamb1000 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:15:24 GMT

Personally I wonder how a post about Amsterdam triggered a discussion on server operating systems.

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shark47 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:49:53 GMT

"Nothing lasts forever. Except cockroaches."

While amusing, I don't see how you can compare a publicly traded company to a living organism. How long a company lasts depends on how adaptable and willing to change the management is. These adaptations are not a result of random mutations like those that occur in living organisms. (Unless you believe in Intelligent Design.)

Of course, if you do want to make those comparisons, in the tech field, Apple and IBM would be the cockroaches. These are hugely successful companies that found a way to reinvent themselves when things were down, just like roaches. (Apple had a lot of help from MS, though.)

When you talk about Microsoft having peaked, remember that Google had to do an IBM to show an increase in revenue last quarter. The company had to reduce headcount and capital expenses to boost revenues. And this within five years of its IPO. Does that mean Google has peaked?

"I think you brain is as fractured as your English. OTOH, at least you're entertaining. You're not as bad as "lketchum", who probably masturbates in front of a dictionary as s/he writes."

That's just nasty. Instead of attacking the argument, you attack their English now?

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Balthazar9 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:47:29 GMT

Lotsamystuff,

Fantastic post! Many on this board may not realize in the past 100 years of the 30 Dow Jones components only one original company still survives. That is GE – itself nearly bankruptcy. With the release of Win7 RTM imminent, MS stock is anemic whereas Apple stock is coveted by everyone in the know.

Microsoft market cap is 217 Billion with worldwide monopoly status.

Apple’s market cap is 135 Billion with 3% worldwide desktop usage. In about a year, Apple should consider a hostile buyout of Micro$haft.

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RaaJ — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:37:28 GMT

Lindy, Lotsamystuff:

You two are the most glaring examples of the malaise that infects this site. When folks like you cannot argue on the same level of technical expertise/experience as a Mike Galos or LKetchum, you resort to name calling - 'blowhard', 'arrogant' - etc. etc. Your MO is getting tiresome.

@panache1023:

Do your research before spouting off nonsense. Microsoft demoed the prototype what would be released as Surface, all the way back at CES 2005 during Bill Gates' keynote. iPhone and iPod Touch launched in 2007-2008.

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Balthazar9 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:34:19 GMT

EricoF3,

Thanks for your response but you’re mistaken. My very best friend in this universe or possibly multi-verse is the chief designer/maintainer of gyroscope systems aboard ALL space shuttle mission. A critical component at NASA! Think I’m full of it? Contact me privately I’ll give you his name and phone number in Houston. Perhaps we can do lunch.

At NASA, windows is not much more than an email/IM client with some excel thrown in. UNIX is for REAL work.

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lotsamystuff — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:46:49 GMT

"Microsoft begin to work on Surface at the same time Apple begin to work on the first generation of IPod, the iPod classic, which not include any touch technologies...And more, I really think that Apple copy the Touch screen technologies from Microsoft Surface technologies and include its cheap copy in the IPhone and IPod Touch..."

I think you brain is as fractured as your English. OTOH, at least you're entertaining. You're not as bad as "lketchum", who probably masturbates in front of a dictionary as s/he writes.

"Dam iketchum, you are the definition of a blowhard if there ever was one. Do you practice that speech in the mirror before you paid someone to type it up?"

Lindy, you have it exactly right. You're also correct when you say "Microsoft is already on the decline. Like I said before they will continue to be a big player but they will go through a transition, very much like IBM did. Everything comes to an end, Microsoft will as well."

Nothing lasts forever. Except cockroaches.

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Saucy — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:33:43 GMT

@Balthazar9

"If is absolutely clear to any observer if not for M$ predatory monopoly status and their ability to bully OEMs into submission, Linux would continue to dominate sub-notebooks."

A lot of accusations there and nothing to back it up. Microsoft has not bullied any Netbook maker into installing Windows on Netbooks.

Microsoft offered discounts on an older version of Windows to compete with Linux in the Netbook market, so what? That's business, legitmate business.

What you are missing is that Microsoft didn't bully, rather manufacturers want and people are willing to pay for an older version of Windows even though Linux is available for free (free if your time is worthless, of course).

The Wild West Days of IBM, RedHat, Netscape, Lotus, Micron and so on are long over .. perhaps completely dead by 1998 or so. Microsoft doesn't "bully" anyone anymore.

Hey, look at Windows 7. They've even stripped out the very basic calendar. No basic calendar, no instant messenger, no automatic picture and video import, no email client, no news client and in the KN and E versions no media players and no browser respectively.

Microsoft has gone way beyond legal requirement to make the Windows platform open to competition.

To me it's gotten to the point that when I hear criticism of Microsoft, I know it is because whoever is criticising has or supports an inferior product that cannot compete by merit.

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mikegalos@msn.com — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:58:55 GMT

lketchum

Just two quick points

1) You forgot to include DCE/RPC in that list

2) It's nice to have somebody else on here with a systems level background.

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EricoF3 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 06:10:53 GMT

@Lindy : " Microsoft has many competitors today, much more that it did in the past."

Cometitors?? What, Where, Who?? Google? Apple? Not in Desktop OS world!! None of these companies will be close to the tail of Microsoft if they don't write their own OS from A to Z...

No *nix based OS will NEVER get more market than 10%... NEVER!!!

You all talk but you probably don't have a near Idea how it is complex to implement a OS, even not me... I mean a real OS ... I don't talk about doing an Ubunto like Linux Shell ... Or a cute Machintosh Unix FreeBNC GUI facad... I mean a real OS from A to Z that support near 99% of the devices that exist in the actual world...-

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EricoF3 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:58:39 GMT

@Balthazar9: I am sorry but NASA use Windows Based PC .... I am a senior software developer for a company that develop a software that run on the Windows XP/Vista Platform and one of our primary client are NASA so... Don't talk about what you don't know....

Of course they use Linux PC too!! But they also use Windows systems...

And... The only reason that Linux is used in Research labs it is, firstly because the scientists work a long time at different university and in general we use Linux or Unix in university... So this is simply because if you give choices to people the normally choose what they know... Secondo, Research labs have difficulty to get fund to do research so they prefer linux or unix because it is free! Simply!!

And don't tell me university prefer Linux or Unix because these are top notch OS ... The only prefer Linux and Unix because these OS are free...

For the case of FBI, CIA, and all gouv spying intelligence, the prefer Linux and unix because they can control all the OS because they can have all the source code... In this case it is normal they want all the control because this is a case national security... Not because Windows is not Ok!! just because they cannot get all the Windows Source code...

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Lindy — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:55:10 GMT

Dam iketchum, you are the definition of a blowhard if there ever was one. Do you practice that speech in the mirror before you paid someone to type it up?

Regardless of wether the browser is the best way to use an application or not. The fact is many applications are moving that way. A typical user at my company uses the browser as application interface, in more than 50% of what they use a computer for. These are commercially purchased applications as well as in-house developed applications. 5 years ago that number was a lot less, and those same applications had a Windows based GUI front end, which required Windows.

I never said Linux will replace Windows as the desktop OS. That will NEVER happen, for many reasons the #1 being the lack of commercially available apps in a Linux format.

What I meant was that the importance of the OS could diminish greatly if more and more applications are run from a browser and you could deliver the remaining Windows applications to a FREE OS, such as Linux or what ever, via VMware Thin App, or Citrix. Its all about the apps in the corporate world. Once you get it running on a free OS I can see how you could make the justification to keep a Windows OS, simply on cost alone.

Microsoft's desktop market share has dropped already from its peak. Being that Windows makes up Microsoft's lion share of revenue, Microsoft is already on the decline. Like I said before they will continue to be a big player but they will go through a transition, very much like IBM did. Everything comes to an end, Microsoft will as well. Microsoft has many competitors today, much more that it did in the past. They are constantly under the scrutiny of the law. The IT world is changing on many fronts.

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stimshady — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:36:54 GMT

You are in Europe for the next 3 weeks... i've just arrived in The States for the next 3 weeks!

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Balthazar9 — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 05:29:31 GMT

Of course you’re right. I recant that specific sentence. What I meant to say was Win7 is a slight evolution on the TRS-80. I’ll try to be clear in future posts.

“Linux based OS are 45 year old technology”

Things that make you say ... Hmmm! You said something about ignorance in your post… Although UNIX and BSD can accurately said to be old BUT ask NASA or CERN or Global Warming modeling or artificial intelligence research what OS they prefer and WHY. Windows OS mere enslave the masses.

"Oh wait, they've already tried it. Moreover, Linux had a 100% marketshare among Netbook OSs not that long ago..." Now this is about as ignorant a declaration if there ever was one. If is absolutely clear to any observer if not for M$ predatory monopoly status and their ability to bully OEMs into submission, Linux would continue to dominate sub-notebooks. Dell and HP forums are replete with anecdotal stories of M$ possibly bribing OEMs (at least offering deep discounts on volume licensing) in order to replace Linux with windows XP on netbooks.

Let us NOT ignore, Windows practically gives away their software to Universities, Govt, non-profits while the avg Joe/Jane subsidize these tactics.