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re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

Aferguson99 — Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:28:26 GMT

Just noticed on The Register that that the license terms for Safari for Windows say that you can only install it on an Apple Computer.

You can only legally install it under Bootcamp or VMware or Parallels on a Mac, not on any other PC.

www.channelregister.co.uk/.../apple_safari_eula_paradox

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

drylight — Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:00:39 GMT

This is just a way for Apple to offer ignorant people (i.e. IE users) a much better browser.

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

lookmark — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:19:35 GMT

The problem isn't that you have just uncheck the box once, though, it's that you have to uncheck the box every time Software Update is scheduled to appear. That can be a real annoyance that most people won't see how to opt out of. That's just not a smart move for Apple in the long run.

But yeah, I agree that this annoyance has been blown way, way out of proportion. Saying this "borders on malware distribution practices" is stupid.

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

solaranox — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:53:39 GMT

re: Lookmark

I am not giving Apple a pass on this... But come on, uncheck the box and move on.

Which is a bigger story/problem? Apple doing this, or Dell and HP loading new PCs with so much crapware that it cripples the system unless you install all of it?

Should Apple have done this? No. No company should offer new/unrelated software with an update or when another application is installed.

The fact that Paul posts soooo many Apple bashig stories on a Windows centric site, sure seems to me that he is trying to drive his hit count, or he has an underlying issue with Apple.

Read Paul's posts on WHS data corruption problems. There is no-where near the venom in those posts that he typically applies to Apple "problem" posts. And that is on a MAJOR issue that can cause data loss, that looks like it will not be fixed 6 months after is was first reported!

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

james3mg — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:51:28 GMT

Gotta say, I agree with ibarskiy - the analogies I've seen so far about this issue have not been quite right. How about this one: you install Virtual PC for Mac (a Microsoft program) or Office for Mac, and a few weeks later, an update program offers you some critical updates, one of which is Internet Explorer. Even if you uncheck it, you'll be offered it again every few weeks.

Now, I'm well aware that IE is no longer made for Mac, thus this could never happen, I'm just asking you to imagine the kind of outcry that would result if it did. And I don't think you can make a case that Microsoft has a monopoly on productivity suites on the Mac OS...not even as much as iTunes has for audio jukeboxes on Windows, so I don't think the analogy is far off.

That being said, no analogy is perfect. I'm not trying to stir up troubled waters even more, simply trying to show why this is unacceptable in the minds of most people who have to help maintain any PC but their own.

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

lookmark — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:43:55 GMT

re: solaranox

Just because other companies engage in obnoxious behavior doesn't give a free pass to Apple.

New software in Software Update should either be unchecked, and/or the "Ignore this update" option (which I just found out about - it's tucked away in a menu) should be more discoverable. Apple is very good at UI - they how to do this kind of thing right, so there's no excuse for this.

Trying to get user to try Safari by gentle force isn't the right route to go. They need to produce a kick-ass browser that people want to check out.

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

ibarskiy — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:35:37 GMT

this thread is the problem with Apple fans. Justification after justification of clearly wrong tact by Apple (actuallly, appalingly wrong). Don't liken it to installers. You download installers and then try to run them. And yeah, if they try to push other software it's annoying (like yahoo, google toolbars or other portions of Live suite, etc.) but at least at that point the user is known to pay attention. Don't liken it to IE 7 updates or OS updates - they are updates for the product advertised.

This is an Update for a product you have installed trying to push a different product. The biggest difference is that Updates are considered required / good and there is an intrinsic trust there that is clearly broken. It is typical arrogant and irresponsible Apple behavior, and why a lot of people don't like the company.

re: Mozilla responds to Apple's dubious use of Software Update to push Safari

dougxd — Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:35:20 GMT

I think *offering* the software is okay. Had they simply removed the default checkmark things wouldn't be so hairy. There have a been a few separate pieces of software that MS has offered via WU over the years, but none as far I can recall have been defaulted to be installed. They've always been available, but not selected by default for installation.

Ya know, until, and if, we hear from Apple on this, we're really just stoking an unnecessary fire here. Since I'm feeling especially charitable this morning, maybe Apple didn't actually intend to select it for install on purpose? Is there an 'oops' in the works? Hmmm.