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Rodrigo Kenobi — Sun, 04 May 2008 14:07:31 GMT

Well, I for one can't wait for when Microsoft opens it up. I coudn't subscribe in time to get into the 10.000 list of lucky ones.

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Waethorn — Sat, 03 May 2008 23:27:29 GMT

"In Africa open source and web based applications will soon take over since the disposable income"

remember that "free" doesn't = "open source" (and vice versa).

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Adobaw — Sat, 03 May 2008 20:53:53 GMT

Has anyone used DesktopTwo (www.desktoptwo.com) before? It is a free Webtop developed by Sapotek that mimics the look, feel and functionality of the desktop environment of an operating system. If you see how it has been developed and allows community members to create additional open source web applications you can see the potential that Mesh. Facebook allowing developers to create applications for its Social Networking Site. I'm a software developer and for years i've been trying to get People in Ghana to use software as a service long before Google bought Writely. In Africa open source and web based applications will soon take over since the disposable income is relatively smaller than in the US. Such platforms give me ways to deploy applications to a much wider audience and will run in a web browser not forcing anyone to buy expensive hardware.

Let us hope the Mesh guys get it right it will be an awesome platform to develop on.

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jeffsters — Sat, 03 May 2008 18:22:28 GMT

Paul, I wish I had your optimism.

I fear other vendors will resist simply because all these "free" sites are valued for the "data", the customer information, and relationship. These different vendors want to own and control the user and their data.

This, while a great idea, l suspect it's headed where all those other "bring it all under one roof" initiatives went. You remember them don't you? Passport, Palladium? The Microsoft, all in one, security solution to our multiple systems and technology issues you said in 2002 would "form the basis of next-generation computer systems"?

I just think in this case it extends into the business model of too many of the companies it will need to attract and these companies deeply fear another MS controlled technology.

What do you think?

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johnpapola — Fri, 02 May 2008 21:04:44 GMT

brostbeef,

Indeed. The carpet problem is huge. Just look at smart displays, spot and playsforsure. Build you business on top of microsoft platforms other than windows hasn't been a safe bet. it just goes to show you how hard it is to get a platform to stick without a killer app.

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brostbeef — Fri, 02 May 2008 18:56:50 GMT

I just watched a Channel9 video demonstration of Live Mesh and I have to say it does offer a HUGE opportunity for developers.

I agree with johnpapola in that Microsoft now needs to maintain its focus and not make the system overly complex.

I think we'll have to wait to see what happens after the PDC conference. See where Microsoft has taken the platform and where they will be going with it.

I'm excited. I want to get on the old "bandwagon", but I really don't want the carpet pulled out from under my feet.

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johnpapola — Fri, 02 May 2008 16:06:57 GMT

Mesh has alot of promise. And I agree with you (from the podcast) that Ray Ozzie offers a new era for Microsoft where monopoly-maintenance and window-centric (or perhaps hobbled) strategy seems to be going away.

But it's hard to deny the history here. Microsoft has a history of rolling out grand-vision platforms to solve everything all at once. Hailstorm, .net, playsforsure, etc. And they have often missed the trees for the forest in execution of product-level solutions.

If they can maintain focus, deliver quality execution and build on that, then we'll have something real to talk about. But getting excited about the latest "platform" roll out is fundamentally pre-mature, I think.

I hope this is the beginning of a new era where Microsoft starts to interact with users and address user issues, instead of hiding behind OEMs and third parties. It will serve them and the userbase well. Cross-platform support is a real start of something. I hope it's not the same old "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy.

I'm open to a MS that becomes a good guy, instead of a market bully. I hope for it.

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pthurrott — Fri, 02 May 2008 14:47:57 GMT

John P: What's in Live Mesh right now isn't a "brand new revolution." But unlike .Mac, it is free. And unlike .Mac, and anything Google is doing, it's also just the start of a complete platform. And that is, in many ways, a brand new revolution.

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johnpapola — Fri, 02 May 2008 13:35:28 GMT

"And I think there is a great potential to extend it to "sync" OS and App settings so new installs become a lot easier, integrate with Office & Live Services so you can have one set of Contacts, Events, etc."

I've been doing app pref sync since november with Leopard and .mac sync and for years prior on most other settings. App preferences, system keychains for all passwords, contacts, calendars, to-dos, widgets, dock layout, mail accounts, notes and any third party apps that plug in all sync. It's an API that's fully extensible by third parties.

I do a fresh install of a new system, run sync, and it's as if I'm sitting at my fully customized machine.

Not to take away from what mesh could become, and .mac is very client-centric with a fairly weak web UI, but let's not treat this like some brand new revolution, shall we?

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lotsamystuff — Fri, 02 May 2008 12:11:36 GMT

Joel Splosky = "little junior high school rant"?

Pot, meet kettle.

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Flenser — Fri, 02 May 2008 09:22:10 GMT

If I had access to Live Mesh now I'd be considering whether to use it to synchronise Microsoft Office documents instead of using Google Docs for having access to my documents and spreadsheets anywhere.

I have a particular problem with having to visit a client's site where I don't get internet access and I'm currently going to use Google Docs offline access to get round that, but Mesh would be a viable alternative.

However, even though there are some features of Excel I miss in Google Spreadsheets I think I'll probably stick with Google because of it's collaboration features and it's revision history which make it much easier to see what changes have been made to a spreadsheet.

So Mesh won't see me returning to the Office fold, but I will still find plenty of uses for it and can't wait to try it out.