Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

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re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Dude1313 — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:47:47 GMT

Microsoft sure does, and it terrifies them to no end.

Something they can't undersell? Sure looks different when the shoe is on the other foot.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

ibarskiy — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:35:51 GMT

JohnPapola, I wasn't necessarily referring to your outrage (and in general, I have to hand it to you; out of all Apple fans on this blog you are by the most affording of a good conversation), but the zeal was evident in some other replies.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Dipsh t Admin — Wed, 14 May 2008 13:20:51 GMT

"Music is highly portable and cross-platform where as software isn't"

I know, and I tried to make that point to you earlier. Shouldn't that also mean that Apple should open up iTunes to other hardware manufacturers, and license the DRM tech? That is basically what you are arguing here. And since Apple is supposedly so pro-consumer, they should do this, right? You just said it is highly portable, but clearly it is not, unless you stay within the Apple moat.

"deluded by the sweat they drink from Ballmer's pits that Windows products are cheaper in the long run then free."

And you think Linux is really "free"?

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Dude1313 — Wed, 14 May 2008 11:51:11 GMT

Why would anyone buy a Windows Server when distros of Linux are free? Oh that's right MCSE "subversive agents (read: Windows Fanboys like Waethorn) are deluded by the sweat they drink from Ballmer's pits that Windows products are cheaper in the long run then free. After all the Halloween documents told us so and MS never does anything wrong, nor lies, nor both.

Next point contention who charges "10-20% for the same stuff", well you were partially right with the crap statement.

And as far as PoS and Vista; again you got part of it right... Interesting that software the runs on a OS is the same thing as vaporware.

Thanks Weathorn you proved my points nicely. Come back with something more substantive then the typical party line from Redmond. Kool Aid? Indeed, which flavor of Vista is yours?

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Waethorn — Wed, 14 May 2008 03:38:54 GMT

"Sometime the old adage, slow and steady wins the race would be appropriate here."

e.g.: Windows Server market penetration

"I'll take the the "single digit market share improvements" of the Mac (and the assocaited profits)"

....and why not? when you can brainwash fanbois into buying your crap with 40% markup, over the competition who charges 10-20% for the same thing, why go for the latter? oh right - consumers already chose the latter.

"Music is highly portable and cross-platform"

er....

I'll let you think about the error of that statement for a moment....

"If someone's iPod dies and they want to try a Zune, it's easy."

again, i say "er...."

Zune (the software) isn't compatible with a OS X. Likewise, iTunes is a PoS on Windows Vista.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

johnpapola — Wed, 14 May 2008 03:27:19 GMT

" I was just pointing out that you and all others completely missed the point that Paul was adressing the bias of the Wired's piece by substituting names and saying that it would cause an outrage."

Umm... not sure where my outrage is. I did point out that paul has made very comparable blog posts in terms of snark regarding mac marketshare. Paul's analysis is generally better than this wired post, since he is more consistent in his use of numbers.

But, still, it's a blog post. And Paul's example is ironic. Still, Paul's reasonably fair overall, I'll happily admit.

@subzero:

"How come Apple has not sealed the deal with the larger segment of the computing industry or consumers? How many more years before Apple makes it to 10 percent? Another 20 years?"

Among American consumers, Apple is 10 to 20% of the market, and that's the userbase they target. Their lack of ultra-cheap boxes keeps their volume from being higher, but it also keeps them much more profitable and subsequently more viable and healthy with more R&D.

As for comparing the Zune to the Mac... there's many reasons why that doesn't work. Music is highly portable and cross-platform where as software isn't, so the music player market isn't subject to the same network effects and momentum as the PC market. If someone's iPod dies and they want to try a Zune, it's easy. The same isn't as easy for a computer.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

subzerohitman721 — Tue, 13 May 2008 20:52:02 GMT

I'm split on this issues. Comparing Macs to Zune isn't Apple's to Oranges. (I apologize for the pun.) However, lets be fair. The Zune at its current stage is still way behind the iPod. But it does speak to a larger issue. How come Apple has not sealed the deal with the larger segment of the computing industry or consumers? How many more years before Apple makes it to 10 percent? Another 20 years?

Just because the Zune is making slow progress doesn't necessarily mean its dead. Sometime the old adage, slow and steady wins the race would be appropriate here. Apple didn't just grab the number one spot over night, it took awhile to get there. However, I will agree that Microsoft's execution of Zune has been horrible. There is a lot MS can do to get Zune in demand. But its also been a failure not to launch in as many markets as possible.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Dude1313 — Tue, 13 May 2008 20:05:06 GMT

Ahh another Waethorn gem-

I'll take the the "single digit market share improvements" of the Mac (and the assocaited profits) over the "single digit market share improvements" of the Zune.

That is the point that Paul and his Jihad about market share avoids, time and time again.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

ibarskiy — Tue, 13 May 2008 15:15:15 GMT

JohnPapola -

I never tried to imply that you couldn't be objective with respect to Zune (which I personally hate) , I was just pointing out that you and all others completely missed the point that Paul was adressing the bias of the Wired's piece by substituting names and saying that it would cause an outrage. Which I think you are proving...

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Waethorn — Tue, 13 May 2008 14:08:10 GMT

Let's look at this another way:

The Zune is improving in single digit market share increases.

When the Mac does the same thing, Apple fanboy's like to celebrate it fanatically (and posters on these comment sections prove to be more of a fanboy then they let on to be, whenever they call out Paul for criticizing the Mac's minimal increases).

Food for thought.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

Dipsh t Admin — Tue, 13 May 2008 12:44:08 GMT

@SacredCow: "9/11 x 1000"

"Kim Jong Il: It will be 911 times 2356.

Chris: My God, that's... I don't even know what that is!

Kim Jong Il: Nobody does! "

"Thin skin much?"

Who, Paul, or Mac users?

Seriously, the jokes on you if you are responding negatively to this post. Paul made it very clear that Wired was being snarky, and that they were going to be called out. Had the roles been reversed, and the article written like Paul rewrote it (remember, just changing the faces, the text is the same), the reaction to such an article would have been huge. So even though they are saying the same thing, the reaction is much different based on the companies involved.

What you guys don't realize apparently is that you just prove Paul's point over and over that he made about the thin skins of Mac fans. This is just exhibit 5,291.

Preemptive responses:

Yes, I know that market share isn't everything.

Yes, I know that this comparison that Paul made is not perfect, nor is it realistic. However, to prove a point sometimes, you stretch something until it is distorted to make it obvious. Paul did that here.

re: Zune Eats Creative's Meager Lunch, Grabbing 4 Percent of MP3 Player Market

MaryW — Tue, 13 May 2008 11:53:55 GMT

Paul, does this help you understand why you have a 'problem' with fanboys (of all persuasions but particularly Apple) flocking to your comments?

Over the years you have written many many posts and articles about Apple that are peppered with little snide comments, derogatory remarks and asides. And now you are getting all uppity because Wired used one word ..... just one word..... that you take offensively. Do you see the hypocrisy here?

Your response? Well let's just fall back on the old Mac market share routine. Because that's a small number isn't it? Even though the Mac market share has very little relationship with even the iPod share .. let alone the Zune's.

It's a really poor post Paul. I would put it down to click-bait apart from the fact that you also posted a comment on Wired.

I seriously believe that you have a problem parsing some numbers, especially percentages. Microsoft boasted back in June 2006 that they had surpassed there target and sold 1.2 million Zunes. nearly a year later they say they have reached 2 million. So with three different models on sale they appear to be actually selling LESS than when there was only one.

"Put even more simply, the Zune--snip--is actually doing better in its market than the Mac"

Nice strapline. Shame it's wrong.

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