Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

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re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

johnpapola — Fri, 23 May 2008 00:38:33 GMT

#1. I've never been to a post facility in New York or LA where eSata was on any of the machines. True Firewire 800 is almost exclusively mac, but content creation is 80%+ mac... so that's all that matters for me. I can bring my firewire 800 drive into any facility and mount it. But, again, I'm not disputing that eSata is better. It is.

#2. Movie Studios making Bluray. Jesus. Listen to yourself. You're arguing that Premiere Pro is better than Final Cut because it has bluray. Then when I call out how useless bluray is for a working editor, you pull out Best Buy's store shelves as a retort. Guess what, editors don't output their work right to the store shelves. Obviously, Hollywood films don't output their bluray movies directly out of the edit. This is an insane, illogical train of thought because I called you out and you have no real comeback. Prores means more to post production than built in bluray. Period.

#3. "Of course it is. One is a enius. the other is Sumner Redstone"..

Um, you do realize that everyone can read above right? It's right there. You claimed Spike was owned by Fox. You're obviously wrong. I don't even understand this reply. It's just gibberish. A simple "I was incorrect" would work, if you were anything other than a childish hard-head. But hey, trying to redirect with some dig against Viacom is fine too. It just reinforces that you're a tool.

#4. "Why does a Mackie marketeer frequent a Windows site"?

Um, maybe to stay informed on the world outside what I use, so I won't sound like an ignorant hack... like you. I'm not a "marketeer", I'm a director. But whatever. Paul talks about Apple constantly on this blog. The real question is why you engage in these Apple threads. You can't answer that though. You won't. You'll just ignore it as you have every other indefensible load of tripe you've piled in these pages....

#5. on your ongoing claim that Firefox has more share than Safari on the mac....

Again. You've proven nothing. You've linked to nothing. All information I've seen says the exact opposite. This is so obviously wrong, and yet you're acting like it's obviously right. Up is down. Black is white. Right is wrong. I'd call that delusional.

#6. "Your Mac systems are made by many of the same ODM's and component manufacturers as my Windows systems."

Silly Waethorn. How many times must we say it's all about the software and the hardware DESIGN. We don't like Windows. That's the point. We're not alone.

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

Waethorn — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:34:45 GMT

"you already revealed that one of YOUR marketing strategies is to hang out at the Apple store"

By my own observations, Apple LOST those customers. I'm only happy to take them on before someone else.

"FrankenSystems"

Silly losta. Your Mac systems are made by many of the same ODM's and component manufacturers as my Windows systems. So in fact, those customers are scrapping their "Mackensteins" for "FrankenSystems" (as you call them) that actually work.

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

lotsamystuff — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:51:25 GMT

"Why does a Mackie marketeer frequent a Windows site? By my count, I belong here and you're the fanboy outsider."

Silly Waethorn. Take a look at the number of posts Paul has made on this blog with the "Apple" tag. When he stops, so will we.

And your use of "Mackie marketeer" is interesting, since you already revealed that one of YOUR marketing strategies is to hang out at the Apple store to evangelize your FrankenSystems to the unsuspecting. So once again: Pot, meet kettle.

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

Waethorn — Thu, 22 May 2008 20:15:35 GMT

"Most workstations in use don't have eSata. end of story."

Sorry, but you're just plain wrong there - ANY system with SATA can easily include eSATA by using a simple SATA to eSATA bracket. MANY systems already include these. IEEE1394b , on the other hand, is almost entirely relegated to the Mac. Even 1394a (that's OHCI-compatible "Firewire 400", for the uninformed) is being replaced on many desktop PC systems by eSATA because of 1394 obsolescense.

"Who's using blueray as a client deliverable"

It's called every movie studio making movies on HD right now and selling or renting them via movie stores. (Hey, if you're going to call business users "consumers", then I'm going to call end-customers "clients", which they are)

"Show me a system that can render faster than an 8 core Mac Pro"

Easy. Skulltrail with Core 2 Extremes with Windows Vista x64 (which runs NATIVE 64-bit)

Before you point out the cost, I'll easily show you that it's still cheaper to buy a preconfigured Skulltrail system from a system builder than an equivalent "8-core" 8GB Mac Pro.

"Show me one that multitasks during big compression jobs"

Actually, you can easily designate processing power using Windows Processor Manager - you can even designate CPU's, or even independent cores, on the fly, to particular processes.

"Fox is owned by News Corp, Rupert Murdoch's company."

Of course it is. One is a genius. The other is Sumner Redstone.

www.bloggingstocks.com/.../money-face-off-rupert-murdoch-vs-sumner-redstone

"Spike is an MTV Networks brand and is owned by Viacom....But, then a simple google search would have cleared that up."

Lucky for your argument, Google is still around after Viacom tried to sue them. It doesn't matter though - Google will own Apple one day.

"Radio silence as Waethorn is once again revealed to be a blow-hard that's thin on facts."

Actually, I have work to do. I have failed to see any new commercials of any worth on Spike lately, except for more on wrestling and Star Trek. I just got another enterprise contract that I've been working on for the last week.

"Just like the last thread where he claimed Firefox dominated safari among mac users."

You obviously don't keep up, do you?

"I can almost read his words right now"

You mean like "STFU"?

"Why does Waethorn feel so compellled to constantly weigh in on a platform he hates?"

Why do you?

"Why is he the common denominator here?"

Why does a Mackie marketeer frequent a Windows site? By my count, I belong here and you're the fanboy outsider.

"that's shameless self promotion right there...."

Oh ya, that's the reason....

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

tayme — Thu, 22 May 2008 19:00:25 GMT

@Avro - Speaking of beating a dead horse...you mentioned that in another post above...no need to reiterate. Like RTE said, the debate is not the problem...its the repetitive pi$$ing contest that fanboys on both sides seem to loke to get involved in that bugs me!

--tayme

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

Avro — Thu, 22 May 2008 18:31:21 GMT

Interesting to note in the UK if you buy a Mac from through the education store, they include 3 years of AppleCare. Pick up from home and delivery to your home. I had to use it once when I had a cracked motherboard on my G4. They picked it up, repaired it and delivered it in 48 hours. It took Dell 2 weeks to replace a power supply.

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

RunTimeError — Thu, 22 May 2008 17:15:31 GMT

@Cfischer83

It's not debating that bothers me. Beating dead horses on the other hand...

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

Cfischer83 — Thu, 22 May 2008 16:20:28 GMT

I personally just like the debate :D .... something you can get passionate about without offending someone, which is common in political and religious debates. This is just good, fun debating ;)

If you do get offended by it.... then, yikes!

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

johnpapola — Thu, 22 May 2008 14:22:34 GMT

@tayme & RTE,

Yeah, it's dumb. No question. I just like to argue, so it's stupid blowing of steam for me.

Two rhetorical questions:

#1. Why does Waethorn feel so compellled to constantly weigh in on a platform he hates?

#2. Why is he the common denominator here?

re: Report: Macs really are more expensive than PCs

tayme — Thu, 22 May 2008 13:03:01 GMT

@RTE - No doubt. One is as bad as the other. I thought that the "lotsamystuff" vs. Waethorn battles were bad over on WinInfo...Geez, these guys truly need to get a life and care less about trying to prove each other wrong.

--tayme