ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong (Updated)

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re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong (Updated)

Waethorn — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:29:48 GMT

um...."recent" = "reason"

re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong (Updated)

Waethorn — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 22:04:51 GMT

"After years, of cramming everything in the OS and attempting to prove to the Courts that Windows was a completely integrated product, is it any wonder that it took years to re-compartmentalize windows in the same way that all modern OSs are made."

actually, that was done already - in Windows XP Embedded.

what was *newly* compartmentalized is actually the Windows Vista kernel. if you look at the writeups for "MinWin", you'd know that.

"I am not yet convinced that I would have made the purchase for such a seemingly incremental upgrade to the average user."

What about when support ends for Tiger? Apple's support lifecycle is only about half of what Microsoft's is, and that's the main recent why Apple is blasted for "forced upgrades".

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re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong (Updated)

DRWAM — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:42:28 GMT

I have never used Vista and can tell you that Leopard runs flawlessly on my Mac Pro Tower as well as an 8 yr old [almost 8.5 yrs] G4 that has an upgraded CPU that I bought 3 or 4 yrs ago. That being said, my IT guys like Vista, and think that it was worth the money. I got Leopard upgrade from my friend who is really tech stupid so he did not want the free upgrade to Leopard as 10.4 [Tiger] was fine, and he got confused when he saw the demo of Leopard at the Apple store. Go figure, and What a dope! Anyway, I am not yet convinced that I would have made the purchase for such a seemingly incremental upgrade to the average user. There may be plenty under the hood, but to any average user like me and my friends, it does not seem like fireworks. Leopard does work flawlessly on both machines. [Upgrade without archive installations]

re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong (Updated)

joe-dokes — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 21:00:10 GMT

Gee Paul did you forget that Vista was released to its corporate customers prior to Christmas? Oh, those customers don't count. Facts, Paul, Facts.

As far as Vista being released too early. After years, of cramming everything in the OS and attempting to prove to the Courts that Windows was a completely integrated product, is it any wonder that it took years to re-compartmentalize windows in the same way that all modern OSs are made.

Finally, Paul lambasts other for writing that Vista is merely XP with flashy graphics. He correctly points out that there are significant changes under the hood. What he doesn't bother to point out is that many significant and potentially groundbreaking features were stripped out of Vista prior to it shipping. No doubt some of these will make an appearance in future versions of Windows, but it shows the typical Microsoft play book, promise the world and then deliver a mediocre product.

Finally, on many a post Paul brags about how close he is to the Windows developemnt team. On the one hand being close gives him some unique access to what might be inside information. On the other, perhaps Paul is just too close to Microsoft to be objective. For example, Paul blasts Walt Mossberg from the Wall Street Journal for being too close to Apple. Yet, Paul himself is even closer to MS. Pot meet Kettle anyone?

Regards

Joe Dokes

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Spidubic — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 19:36:44 GMT

Guess I am in a minority here but I have been running Vista since January gaming my little heart out with no problems. WoW, EQ2, TDU, at least a dozen other games, all running fine. Dual Core, Quad Core, Nvidia 7950GX2, 8800GTX, multiple driver versions. No issues. So far Vista to me is far superior to XP. My only issue was an HP printer that they decided not to make drivers for.

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cesjr — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:47:24 GMT

Paul can pretend all he wants that Vista is fine and the detractors are full of it - the reality is lots of people are complaining about and experiencing compatibility and performance issues. Paul can't wish these continuing problems away no matter how hard he tries. Presumably MS will start to get on top of these issues, but they haven't yet (although performance will probably always be sluggish on older machines )

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Sir_timbit01 — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:02:41 GMT

Ah Geez, for every Mac fanboi out there, there's a Microsoft sycophant waiting to reply. This sure gets old.

Does Leopard have bugs? Yep. Will there be patches? Of course. Does Vista have bugs? Certainly! Will there be patches? Already are, and we know more will be on the way. Did both companies (esp. Microsoft here) kill features that we saw during the beta process? Oh yeah! (Why? to meet deadlines, to rush it out the door, to keep shareholders happy.) This is not news, nor is it newsworthy.

But I do take issue with Vista being the most compatible version of Windows Microsoft has ever released. I work in IT for a school board, and I've got to say our frustrations over software incompatibilities, Vista deployment grief, and even licensing confusion vis a vis XP have led us to be very cautious about rolling out Vista.

(I'm not a Mac fanboi either. The last Mac I had was in 1994, and I switched when I was playing with the beta of Win95. So I'll admit I don't much about Leopard. I guess you can say I'm quite content with XP.)

Paul, you've said here before on several occasions that Microsoft's biggest competitor is Microsoft. XP works just fine for most people, thanks. Educational software is a prime example of software that causes grief in Vista. They're notorious for being several years old. We're talking about junk released for Win98, or worse. Is that Microsoft's fault? Of course not. But they will run in XP, and a number of those titles won't work in Vista. Which one is more compatible?

There's a reason why businesses take their time and wait until a new service pack is released before deploying a new Microsoft OS. It's because they get burned--there's not much to be gained by being the first to roll out a new Microsoft OS. I recall reading how even Intel was holding off on its Vista deployment, sticking with XP. And we've all read stories about Vista selling well, but how many of those are from OEMs who then offer downgrades to XP? How many businesses are actually making use of Vista right now, as opposed to wiping the box and installing XP?

My own experience with Vista? Despite the most recent Vista patches, network copying in Vista is still atrocious. It's slow. When I flip back to XP, it just purrs. What else? My ATI All-in-Wonder card's TV/PVR features will never work in Vista, even though the card's just over two years old. And just like Apple, they changed things in the GUI just for the sake of change. How many mouse clicks does it take to get your IP address properties in XP? How many in Vista? How is that more efficient? Well, at least they've got that new Mahjongg game.

And games! Evidently Blizzard had to release a whole pile of patches just to make WOW playable in Vista.

If there is one thing I've read in the Leopard reviews out there, it's that performance of the OS is just as good as in Tiger. I can't say that about Vista. It just feels sluggish compared to XP. And that was after I bumped my PC up to 2gb. Gotta keep those hardware upgrades rolling!

Anyway, Vista will improve, as will Leopard. Having been out for a year now, it's got a good head start on Apple to tackle these issues. Software developers will get their new releases out and newer, faster PCs will make up for the Vista performance hit. I'll be running Vista on its own one day, but only after I retire my current box.

re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong

daveinla — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:55:10 GMT

I think that in OS development, whatever time you take to develop a major new update, they will always be bugs left there as long as the mass market has not tested the variety ofcombination possble with hardware/software/peripherals. And Vista and OSX can't escape that even though OSX has it a little easier thanks to a more controlled architecture.

Weedmonk, evolve a little bit a learn to accept the mac users as peers in the computer world. macbois as you call them is a growing population of computer user and they won't kill your dear windows anytime soon. Get mature man they are not gonna launch an assault on you windows users and rip you computer appart !!!! so childish I can't believe it !! And anybody on the net is allowed to read whatever publication it want to in order to get smarter. You should read as well Mac blog even if you hate them, at least you would be more knowledgeable to what you despise and it would make you a little smarter...

re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong

Waethorn — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:45:57 GMT

Kingsley-Huges is "FJW" - Fake Joe Wilcox from eWeek. ;)

re: ZDNet blogger gets it horribly wrong

weedmonk — Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:44:31 GMT

Well said. The dev cycle for Longhorn had many well publicized delays. My questions is why worry about being compared to the liliputs i.e the macbois.

Their irrelevance is only amplified by their presence on this blog and 100's of others so they protect the dear corporation and virginity of steve jobs.

Foregeddaboudem Paul...