Today's Apple PR: iPhone 3G, Mobile Me

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johnpapola — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:36:29 GMT

@Waethorn...

Are we in opposite world? WTF is going on? YOU were the one making ignorant claims about Apple's APIs. Saying there was nothing new. Claiming they were other people's APIs repackaged. Claiming that "intel has had this for years".

I suggest you listen to this weeks Windows Weekly around the hour mark. Paul spends like ten minutes talking about how no operating system is making very good use of 4 or 8 core systems now.

Everyone in computer science knows for a fact that addressing parallel computing is a very steep challenge and the multi-core hardware available now is already ahead of the software curve.

Apple is claiming to have some breakthroughs in the works. I won't say they are or aren't going to be real. It's vaporware until it ships. You, on the other hand, have already concluded with NO INFORMATION AT ALL that Apple has nothing. Apple has delivered some great advances in the past. Quartz Extreme and Core Image were major advances that Microsoft only caught upto with Vista and I'm not seeing anything on Vista doing the kind of processing that an application like Motion can do.

Your link is of no use. It's just commentary on the same tiny info we all have. I'm not praising Apple yet, just pointing out your blatant and obvious lies.

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Waethorn — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:33:48 GMT

oh, and fyi, I'm not the only one with this opinion:

blogs.zdnet.com/hardware

"....there are some very vague statements. For example:

---Snow Leopard delivers unrivaled support for multi-core processors with a new technology code-named “Grand Central,” making it easy for developers to create programs that take full advantage of the power of multi-core Macs.---

Sorry, but that comes across as a whole load of nothing to me."

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Waethorn — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:23:30 GMT

@jpappy

the fact of the matter is that you don't have a clue about Apple's API's either. none of this stuff is news-worthy. and yet you claim that Apple is magically going to have this wonderful new suite of programmability that developers will instantly flock to even though the actual hardware vendors themselves haven't mastered even though it's been toyed with for years now on their own hardware.

sorry, but you've just fallen in the Jobs iField(TM) once again with another half-promised product name and a small piece of marketing fluff. you fell for it - hook, line, and sinker.

....but then, i bet you fell for the whole "64-bit" OS X thing too.

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johnpapola — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:52:01 GMT

More info to discredit your rant about Open CL and Grand Central, waethorn:

bits.blogs.nytimes.com/.../apple-in-parallel-turning-the-pc-world-upside-down

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johnpapola — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:22:43 GMT

@Waethorn,

"Intel has had multi-core dev toolkits for years actually"

And I guess it's perfect, right? I this time last year, you were blasting me as a moron for buying an 8-core Mac Pro because no software could use it.

The fact that you are claiming there is no new ground to be gained in multi-core performance is a pure lie. Total farce. Multi-processing remains a challenge that both Apple and Microsoft admit they have far from mastered. I'm not claiming Apple is winning anything here. Simply that Snow Leopard appears to be focused on improving in this obvious and crucial area.

But since you're a hack, all you can do is discount it.

"You're conjecturing about the codebase."

followed by...

"I know that all of these supposedly "new API's" are in fact, not. "

I think that speaks for it self. You "know" absolutely nothing about Snow Leopards APIs. Nothing. This statement is a pure lie and a hypocritical contradiction.

"Sorry, but "general computing" doesn't require GPU-level stream processing".

Sorry, but most of the processing that demands more power than you could get in 2001 is media processing. Nobody is buying new machines for productivity suite performance. Sorry. Games, bio-science number crunching, video and image manipulation, GUI acceleration... this is what modern processing if for. These are he areas CUDA and now Open CL are aiming to improve.

Once again, you argue against absolute reality and make yourself look like a complete idiot. You're obviously a knowledgeable guy. Why you choose to present yourself like a lying, crazy hack is beyond me.

"Honestly, is your inability to actually do the research the reason why you failed at IT?"

Not sure what you're talking about. Just more babbling delusion, I guess. I've been working TV and commercials since I graduated film school in 1999. No IT career was ever wanted or attempted.

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Avro — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:24:11 GMT

Rover went out of business in 2005 and the name has now gone to Chinese interests.

As far as petrol prices go here we are up to $10 a gallon in the UK, so mate you need to stand by. Macs are selling very well here.

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subzerohitman721 — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:02:49 GMT

Many of you guys make good points. I'm merely reflecting the realities from what I observe and others in the area observe. But I think you all are underestimating the economic impact of oil on the bottom line of companies. Any significant oil disruption like a strike that Israel is planning against Iran or just the talk of it continues to spike oil prices.

As for the BMW comparisons, Rover still continues to have issues. Internal issues and safety concerns that plague it today. That isn't a fair reflection on BMW, as the parts of it have sold well past BMW's ownership. Apple won't have those kinds of technical and other issues. Its an engineering challenge that has a solution by a processor company known as AMD.

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Waethorn — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:54:08 GMT

"As for your sad back-pedaling regarding you prior lie about "no new APIs"... sorry. You lied. You obviously know nothing about CUDA, C on GPUs or QuickTime."

I know that all of these supposedly "new API's" are in fact, not. Sorry, but you don't even know the truth to comment on it. CUDA is for HPC software. If you really think this is going to be used for general computing any time soon, then you're in for a real shock. Honestly, is your inability to actually do the research the reason why you failed at IT?

"And I think Nvidia has already demonstrated general C code running on the GPU."

They've done many API's before. None of which are new. Witness: Tesla - the hardware platform for CUDA.

"If you think "general computing" doesn't include media processing... you're living in the stone age."

Sorry, but "general computing" doesn't require GPU-level stream processing. That's entirely the truth. If you honestly think that people sit in front of a computer editing 30+Mbps H.264 video all day, then you're a tool. Next time you care to comment on this, try using a PS3 with a different OS. The Cell BE is effectively a multi-core stream processor. Multimedia on it is great. General computing is, however, a joke. Programming for it is extremely difficult too.

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Avro — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:44:39 GMT

@subzerohitman

Interesting to note that when BMW tried to enter the low cost market with Rover it almost made them go bankrupt. There is not a lot of profit to be made at the low end of the market and it could seriously damage your reputation. A downturn in the economy means that you spend your money more wisely on good quality purchases.

@Waethorn

Let's see between 2002 and 2007 :

Apple's share price went up 2,270%

Microsoft's went up 21%

Is the market trying to tell you something?

dotnet.sys-con.com/.../450705.htm

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johnpapola — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:28:17 GMT

@Waethorn,

What a sad, delusional hack you are, sir. Nearly everything you've posted is utterly false. Apple has been an amazing performing stock. Period. Yesterday's tiny drop has already been regained today... and only a hack would judge a stock by a single day action and ignore the long view.

As for your sad back-pedaling regarding you prior lie about "no new APIs"... sorry. You lied. You obviously know nothing about CUDA, C on GPUs or QuickTime. If you think "general computing" doesn't include media processing... you're living in the stone age. Working with media is central to general computing, obviously. And I think Nvidia has already demonstrated general C code running on the GPU.

What a pathetic hack.

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Waethorn — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:19:03 GMT

"It's still you, Waethorn. Don't fret. "

Nice comeback. You should go back to your creative *snicker* marketing.

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lotsamystuff — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:42:19 GMT

"Who's the contrarian jackass now?"

It's still you, Waethorn. Don't fret.

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Waethorn — Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:37:21 GMT

"You mean because, in the middle of an recession and economic crisis"

No, I mean immediately after their keynote.

"Apple stock is near it's all time high ever? You mean because every dollar they put into their stock last year is now worth a dollar fifty?"

WRONG! The end of last year's stock was higher. Also, you can't earn $1.50 on every $1 if stock is equal or higher. Sorry, but your iMath is just wrong. January through to March had Apple's stock in the dumper too - it's only now getting back up to the levels in was in 6 months ago.

""Grand Central" multicore programming API."

Intel has had multi-core dev toolkits for years actually. They are not proprietary API's either....and 64-bit....(as well as AMD, mind you). So tell me: When exactly is Apple moving to native 64-bit operation? Hmm??

"OpenCL C language for general processing heavily accelerated on the GPU. Maybe based on CUDA from Nvidia. Maybe not."

There are 2 things wrong with that statement:

1) You're conjecturing about the codebase.

2) NVIDIA's own CUDA has been available for ages, but is restricted to NVIDIA graphics cards. Any Mac owner with an ATI card would see no benefit from it. Likewise, PC ATI users wouldn't either.

Oh, and BTW: a graphics card's stream processors aren't designed to accelerate "general computing". No API can fix that. Floating-point, yes. Multimedia, to a point. But general computing? Hell, no. Sorry.

"New QuickTime X architecture for media playback."

Read the statement: it's about "optimized support of modern codecs and more efficient media playback....that advances modern media and Internet standards".

Translation: they want Quicktime to be a more prevalent container format on the web so as to brand third-party codecs with their own tradename. H.264 is an industry format, and the MPEG-4 container is viable and cross-platform. Apple would have you think it's their format and lock you into their container so as to have to use their craptastic player software though.

Windows users know better.

"Apple shareholders couldn't be happier....Your spewing to the contrary just confirms that you're a complete dishonest jackass."

Ya, that's why they started selling shares after Job's keynote.

Who's the contrarian jackass now?

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