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chuckb84 — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:02:54 GMT

@Dude1313

""Or how the iPod + iTunes utterly changed the face of the music distribution and is now the #1 music retailer."

OK, so now marketshare matters? This is often a big disconnect I see with people on here. In a previous article, the usual suspects were crowing about how marketshare doesn't matter, now suddenly it's a big point to show. If marketshare doesn't matter, why bring up this point?"

Apple pioneered the GUI desktop, MS gained marketshare by copying what Apple did.

Now, Apple has pioneered online music AND gained marketshare from it.

Apple innovates, MS copies. MS succeeded with a bad copy in the desktop world, and has failed miserably in the music world. Apple innovated in both areas, won the marketshare war in music---and is now back for round two of the desktop war, which why all the Windroids are so threatened.

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subzerohitman721 — Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:35:10 GMT

Dude1313 said:

To all those sans Subzero and Dip who I actually consider quite reasonable on the Windows-side.

Thanks for the compliment. I do try my hardest to see both the positives and negatives and to be fair but biased. That's is the least I can expect of anyone.

As for your comments on marketshare, do you do make a very valid point. However, I would say marketshare along with a good demographic breakdown of marketshare is a powerful tool. Take for example the classic Star Trek. It got terrible ratings during its original run. But when NBC did the demographics in 1970, NBC discovered that Star Trek was extremely popular with the 18 to 24 year old males demographic. If NBC didn't cut their budget and put the show in the proper time slot, the classic Trek could have been a much bigger hit. Its syndication reruns ratings are proof of it. Along with the spawning of 10 movies and 4 television series, NBC dropped one of the most successful franchises in pop culture history.

Breaking down marketshare with demographics helps you plug in other products you can sell. This is why the iPod is so extremely popular. Not everyone likes the earbuds, so there are tons of headsets being sold for iPod. Some people want to watch TV, so their are RCA adapters for television viewing. The same for iPod covers, radio adapters, and other accessories.

In the computer market, thats where Office, Money Plus Delux, One Care Live, Microsoft Street and Trips, and other products come into play. You also break it down by gender to see what works with women or what needs to be improved. Other breakdowns demographically include region, race, religion, income, and other factors. This is now in the last 30 years becoming a business fundamental principle. Plugging into your marketshare other accessories and products gives you returing customers for addtional services. The obvious net effect is boosting your bottom line.

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DRWAM — Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:34:31 GMT

It looks as if the GPS DOES give navigation as per the Apple web site. I guess that some of the reviewers don't know it:

"Get directions to wherever from wherever. View a list of turn-by-turn directions or follow a highlighted map route and track your progress with live GPS tracking."

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Mum — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:15:37 GMT

"the proof is in the pudding, not in the bowl the pudding is in!!"

So you are saying that marketing doesn't have an effect on your consuming choices. I hope you realize how naïve, and impossible, that is.

(Anyway, being a food fanatic: the bowls matter as well, because people - and even that includes you - actually perceive more beatiful dishes more delicious and nutritious. It's built into the genes.)

"I have run into so many macheads over the years that have that attitude...I guess it has affected me...."

That's weird, I hate the same thing.

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Waethorn — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:51:00 GMT

"if you are like Waethorn your business model (any therefore livelihood) is threatened the more successful Apple becomes"

I'll be wealthily retired before I feel the least bit threatened by Apple.

"I think it is so funny when people get ready to buy a new computer they think that because they are buying the latest, most expensive, best “looking” thing out there it will somehow make them become better at whatever it is they are doing."

THANK YOU! Since when is it fashionable to spend more money?....Let me rephrase that: When does being fashionable mean that you can deliver on your promises?

"People would be better served by buying a mid-priced machine and using the rest of the money on classes, book, or training DVDs."

....for business education, no less.

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fzanes — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:47:26 GMT

@lotsamystuff

I don't base my opinion of any business on what the building looks like, or what logos are prominently displayed on the gear they use. Just because you surround yourself with a bunch of flashy machines doesn't mean you can do your job better. Talk to people and find out if the business can deliver…the proof is in the pudding, not in the bowl the pudding is in!!

I think it is so funny when people get ready to buy a new computer they think that because they are buying the latest, most expensive, best “looking” thing out there it will somehow make them become better at whatever it is they are doing. People would be better served by buying a mid-priced machine and using the rest of the money on classes, book, or training DVDs.

I have run into so many macheads over the years that have that attitude...I guess it has affected me....

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lotsamystuff — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:01:26 GMT

"fzanes" spews: "I hope I never find myself in whatever business you run...I'm actually more interested in what business and services can do, not what it looks like they can do."

Interesting comment. Completely wrong, but interesting.

When I first opened my own business, the business writer for the local newspaper came by to profile me for an article. I had taken great pains to "hide" the technology needed to to my job; the office looked like any other office, with no real visual cues as to what I do.

The first comment out of his mouth when he walked in the door was, "Wow, I expected to see a lot more equipment."

Repeat after me: "Perception Is Reality".

I learned my lesson. My gear is now prominently displayed, and believe me, it makes a huge difference. Why? Because it "looks" like I can do what my business advertises.

Similarly, I've had several experiences where people have started conversations that led to increased business simply because they noticed the Apple logo on my laptop. I don't choose Apple because I'm some kool-aid drinking partisan (as I've pointed out, I also use Windows boxes for certain tasks, or when absolutely necessary). I chose to base my technology usage around Apple because it made good business sense. For my business, for what I do, using Apple products is a huge advantage. YMMV, but don't dismiss the effect.

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Mum — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:14:16 GMT

"Are you serious with this comment? If this is what is important to you, then I feel bad for you. There's actually no way I can respond to that without sounding like I am putting you down, so I will just keep my comments to myself on that on."

You didn't understand much of what I wrote, the point being that Apple products do enable people who aren't technology oriented to use quite advanced and complex features without a second thought. This appeals especially to artists, who couldn't care much about computers but still want to get things done.

I'm talking about a general perception among people, not my views. A person can say that marketing doesn't have an effect in their choices, in which case they're incredibly naïve; and they can say it doesn't matter what other people think of them, in which case they're either lying or a**holes.

"If you really think that the electronic products you buy, define who you are to other people, I really don't know what to say either."

Is there any one single thing that defines you to people? No. (Unless you're a mass murderer.) But your level of gadget geekiness is a part of it all. Apple customers often care less about tech toys than, say, winnerds who read this blog (or write on it, cough).

"I have always looked at Apple as valuing form over function, and you sound like the perfect Apple consumer...more interested in the "look" and the way you think people will perceive you because you simply gobbled up the latest Mac offering."

And I didn't even mention looks, I was talking about functionality all along. Which is the first, if not the only, thing I am extremely interested in.

I know this much about product design: Apple's products are certainly not "form over function". Those two things are equal. Many competitor's offerings are lacking on the form side, which directly weakens function too. (Certain mobile phone companies come to mind).

"I hope I never find myself in whatever business you run...I'm actually more interested in what business and services can do, not what it looks like they can do."

How do you find out what a business or a service can do? You pick one and try it out. How do you pick one? Can you somehow avoid "looking" at them, in which case it wouldn't matter what a company "looks" like?

When it comes to the image you put out as a company then yes, it certainly matters: you want the clients to come to you the first time. But of course the product they are buying is what makes them come back. A graphic designer, digital image artist or an audio engineer who doesn't use Macs has a lot of explaining to do, and unfortunately often for a good reason.

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Dude1313 — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:50:48 GMT

Dipsh t Admin said:

"Or how the iPod + iTunes utterly changed the face of the music distribution and is now the #1 music retailer."

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Please don't lump me into this category.

Does market share matter in the PMP space? Not so much. Ask Sony if their Walkman leading position of the last 20 years up until the dawn of the PMP digital age matters now.

Market share is a meaningless statistic if that is all you care about, especially if there is no frame of reference to it; no context. Reasoning, If that's the case then consider this: There are far more Minivans on the roads then sports cars. does that make mini-vans better cars? More people eat at McDonalds then The Four Seasons. Does that therefore mean that McDonalds sells better food. More people shop at Wal-mart then any other store on the face of the planet. Does that mean that Wal-Mart is the definitive shopping experience? More people watch soccer then any other sport on the face of the planet, does that make better then Football?

You can go on with countless examples and here is what is so ironic. Shouting Marketshare with no context is idiotic anyway you slice it. And long before the mac fans were shouting PMP market share windows-jihadists were spouting the "virtue" of markestahare as the be-all, end-all of an argument.

To all those sans Subzero and Dip who I actually consider quite reasonable on the Windows-side. Its quite funny that you are so threatened by Apple being successful, After all if you are like Waethorn your business model (any therefore livelihood) is threatened the more successful Apple becomes. As to the rest of you? Need some validating of your choice of computers it seems? Oh thats right your sick of Apple's "lies", Apple being nothing more then Marketing, etc, etc... ad naseum. Excuse me while I laugh.

fzanes wrote

I have actually seen people driving around with the Apple logo on their CARS!!! Pure brainwashing is the only way to explain that. They are a technology company, not a sports team…people act as if it’s some kind of status symbol and lifestyle choice that they are supporting. It's a computer, it's a tool...it doesn't define you...

Snakedoctor wrote:

What I think is silly are sports fans. They wear jerseys with other peoples names on them, put stickers on their cars, posters on their wall, mouse pads and wallpaper, pay tons of money to see them in real life, have no problem with them making tons of $$$$$$$$ to play a game, often worship them as some kind of role model as and ignore the wrong doings of them. Some even use the team logo as an avatar:) Some probably think sports fans are tools!!

Irony knows no bounds Snake... good job. Sorta like its a sports team, it doesn't define you...