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re: Windows Vista usage share surges 355 percent, leaves Mac OS X in the dust

subzerohitman721 — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:59:46 GMT

Good point, but walk into any apartment complex or project on the otherside of the tracks. Do a survey of what computers people own. I don't believe based upon my own growing up in the 80's, 90's, and today that Macbooks will be found in the hood.

Peace.

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Avro — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:19:10 GMT

subzerohitman721

I have to agree with you on many of your points but the old saw about Apple being 'only for the wealthy' needs to be put to rest. So often I hear this from my Windows using friends and then find out that they have spent more on their 'low cost' Windows machine. I think a good quality Mac, Windows or Linux computer will serve anyone well. The bargain basement exists but many of us use our computers for work and a good reliable experience is a necessity. My MacBook cost me the equivalent of six tanks of fuel (diesel) for my car and was well worth it. We all have to decide where to put our money and a good computer is pretty high up the list for me.

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subzerohitman721 — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:58:33 GMT

I would like to interject a few points.

First, on the whole system builder flap. Both Microcenter, Fry's, Altex, and a few others sell system builder versions of Windows to the general public. I did take the liberty of asking the department manager of Fry's responsible for selling the OEM disks. The manager stated that anyone building a computer for their own personal use qualifies as a system builder. The manager also stated that Microsoft was aware of this selling practice and encouraged it. I'll leave it to you guys to debate this point any further.

Second, in this whole Vista vs OS-X debate, one point has been left out. How many first time computer users bought either a new Windows-based PC or a new Mac OS based Apple computer? Its very possible that both Microsoft and Apple are both getting new customers which is changing the total computer user base. Its very possible based on the upsurge in Mac notebooks that Apple is succeeding with college students, pop culturally influenced, and wealty families. However, its very possible Microsoft is still succeeding with older, more pragmatic, and less wealthy customers. If these first time new users have never used the other competing operating system at all, is it really a detriment to either company? Where Apple succeeds with one part of the total base and new users, they will fall short with another segment of the base and new users. Both can grow at different rates and not be hurting the other. Why? Because of the world's population being approximately 7 billion, only 1 out of every 1000 own a computer. There's plenty of room for growth for Apple, Microsoft, Linux/Unix, and new players to the market.

Finally, everyone has a choice. There are plenty of companies that will sell computers without an OS. Remember that one of the golden rules of business is that the customer is always right. You can debate that method but many businesses tend to bow to public pressure in many instances throughout history. There are thousands of variants of the Unix/Linux OS and freely available through local libraries, Universities, friends, and Wi-Fix hot spots (or soon Wi-Max). To say there is no choice other than Microsoft Windows is a falsehood. While Windows is the most requested and in demand for the last 15 years going to 16 years, there are plenty of alternatives available.

It brings me to my next point. Not everyone is a Windows user or a Mac user. I've seen plenty of people in coffee shops and wi-fi hot spots that use Linux/Unix variants in notebooks. Its like the notion that everyone is either a Republican or Democrat in America. Not so, as there are other parties that don't garner the same popular attention. The Green Party, the Reform Party, the Libertarian Party, The Constitution Party, the Centrist Party, the Independence Party, and many others still exist in the United States. Just like political tastes vary, so do our OS preference. No one OS choice is right or wrong. I really don't think its fair to demonize someone for their OS choice. Its one of the rights of a free democratic society. Its something to be cherished and protected as some people in nations don't have that kind of choice.

Peace.

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tayme — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:58:22 GMT

@Dude1313 - "Easy, how many users get to choose what platform they want to use in a business setting? Case closed."

Not so fast...in most civilized parts of the world, a person can choose where to work. If they do not like their current place of employment for any reason, the yare free to leave and go where they will be happier. Of course, a person would be silly to do so, if they are responsible for more than their own needs.

So, again...they have a choice...get a job where their platform of choice is an approved platform. Its that simple....there is ALWAYS a choice...do it or don't do it. Not every choice is an easy one to make...and many things must be considered before making them...that is called being an adult.

--tayme

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johnpapola — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:48:07 GMT

@halesgarcia,

Thanks! That's a very nice thing to say. I like participating in the discussion (obviously) and I like Paul in general. But logic must prevail.

I will say this about this headline... it's certainly true that Vista has already left the mac in the dust overall. It's Windows. Windows is dominant and each new version leaves everyone else in the dust. It's the analysis beyond that obvious and indisputable fact that I have big problems with. And strawman rhetoric. Who, beside fanboys, are saying that the mac is "taking over"? Nobody.

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Avro — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:45:38 GMT

@Dipsh t Admin

'@Avro, I understand and stated that under your laws and such you can be considered a system builder. That's fine, and if you can run with it and comply with it, hey, that's great! However, my sticking point is that your advice to the majority non-system builder crowd here is wrong. THEY cannot use OEM licenses, and suggesting that THEY can is the part I have a problem with.'

Well we can end that problem right here. IMHO it would only apply to system builders and you have do more than buy a USB cable to be one. The latter may keep you within the law but hardly within the spirit of it.

My objection to what you were saying was that I wasn't trying to be careful with my software. I try to be as careful and straightforward and legal as possible and did seek advice from the IT professionals I am in contact with.

This avoids the whole thorny question of the legality of EULAs, but that is a whole different can of worms and let's not go there.

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halesgarcia — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:47:54 GMT

@johnpapola

Thank you for the lengthy but clear-headed commentary.

I agree with you, there's hope yet for this blog. Comments like yours keep it alive.

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DRWAM — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:34:55 GMT

Dipsh, when I see OEM versions of Windows on sale, are they legal for those of us that are upgrading, or building or our homw computers? Some site sell them, such as Surplus computers, royaldiscount or NewEgg, and several sites found at pricewatch.com

Also, thanks for the car advice. We will definitely follow it.

Doc