Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

chuckb84 — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:54:41 GMT

@robertc

"There is nothing idiotic about Paul's criticism's of the so-called "iCabal". They are perfectly legitimate. There is an obvious and sinister pro-Apple bias throughout much of the media"

Sinister? Wow, Bourne Identity almost! I'd be interested in some examples of this vast Mac-wing conspiracy!

I'll agree the tech press is pretty bad. Enderle. Dvorak. I'll also agree that they are a bunch of lemmings and that when one of them starts saying something they all go "Me too!" However, "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." So, stupidity for sure, but not conspiracy.

FWIW, back in 1997, in the days of "beleaguered Apple computer", the tech press could never say a nice thing about Apple. I agree there is some similarity now with Microsoft. What other company can make $60B, ship 200M copies of Vista and be written up as irrelevant?

All this said, Paul's recent ravings sound very much like he doth protest too much. Ranting about ranting is, in the end, just more ranting.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

WebGuy3000 — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:01:03 GMT

180,000,000 licenses is not 180,000,000 users. I'm just saying...

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

subzerohitman721 — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:36:10 GMT

First, congrats to Microsoft. Despite all the ignorant tech bloggers, pundits, and bad press, this clearly shows that Vista is still the OS of choice. Despite the switcher commericals, despite the improvements of Ubuntu and other Linux variants, Vista still outpaces Leopard and Ubuntu by a large margin. In the era of internet availability and 24/7 news, nobody can say they don't have a choice. Considering how much crap we get from people in here that Vista "sucks", Microsoft and Vista owners have the right to flaunt this.

180,000,000 consumer users and counting cannot be ignored. This clearly shows a pace of 20,000,000 users per month. The question I have is when will Vista quit being percieved as a failure? 200,000,000? 220,000,000? 300,000,000? When?

My answer is "Vista was never a failure. Only in those minds who couldn't be objective, was it a failure." Only to those who are ignorant of Windows OS history, those with an agenda to insult Microsoft and dissuade users is Vista a failure. Now I can see if Vista was falling well under XP's numbers, that you could label the OS that. However, I believe Microsoft addressed Vista to fix the security issues that plagued XP. It was done and the ignorant complained. People are never happy, even if you giftwrap something.

If you follow any Microsoft OS, this is the pattern.

A.) Microsoft releases new OS. Everyone unprepared is caught with their pants down. PC Manufacturers, device manufacturers, and developers complain.

B.) Microsoft patches and improves new OS. PC Manufacturers technology and experiences improve. Device Manufacturers finally get around to writing proper device drivers and firmware. Developers finally get around to new OS.

C.) Windows sells millions more than the competition. Becomes the number one OS on the planet.

D.) Microsoft prepares next Windows. Developers and manufacturers fail to adequitely plan and beta test.

Cycle repeats.

Its clear that Apple is gaining ground. However, as I said in a previous comment, the OSes each appeal to a different segment. I believe the older, more pragmantic, less wealthy, business oriented, and others prefer Windows. Being that its so ubiquitous in its ecosystem, it would make logical sense from a compatability standpoint. I'm sure many of the Mac and Linux would disagree, but the consumer has said otherwise for 15 going on 16 years. The old adage that the "Customer is always right," still applies.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

lotsamystuff — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:23:37 GMT

"Because Paul keeps spouting out mindless drivel about "iCabal" et al. Of course, that's nothing new. He used to do it on usenet, the old Internet Nexus, and now here."

Don't forget "maccentral.com", where he used to troll around under the username "balancedview" or something like that. AFAIK, he may still be posting there under another name.

I think he's hoping "iCabal" takes hold on Teh Intertubes so he can have a claim to fame. What a legacy!

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

RobertC — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:24:54 GMT

chuckb84

There is nothing idiotic about Paul's criticism's of the so-called "iCabal". They are perfectly legitimate. There is an obvious and sinister pro-Apple bias throughout much of the media to the extent that minor problems with Microsoft products are exaggerated, misreported and prejudiced. That's not journalism, it is sycophancy and it's about time someone started talking about these things rather than having everyone leave their heads buried in the sand when it comes to the truth.

Heck, the fact that Steve Jobs endorses false advertising epitomises the problem Paul's been writing about for years.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

dovella — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:31:24 GMT

Hey Guy

when you buy a Mac , Apple give you Ubuntu??

when Dell has received the petition with 120 thousand signatures to produce PC with Ubuntu, Dell said ok no problem

Dell Produce 100 mil. PC with Ubuntu

Dell sales 40 mil. PC with Ubuntu

60 mil PC Dell convert in Xp e Vista Computer Big Smile

A voice told me that the next petition, Dell respond with a kick in the @@@@@ to linux user

(irony not to be misunderstood)

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

Yawn! — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:44:24 GMT

>>Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

Hmm?

Must buy a volume license vs installed base, Heck we bought 20,000 licenses and at the current time installed ~2,000. Paul, stick to the only numbers you know!

Sales of licenses vs. installed based is not the same! A look at your past articles will prove the this point. 12 / 9.5 , is not the same as 1 X 18. Sorry!

.While I can support your market share theory i is nothing more that your admitted math skills..

Just a friendly point to your Wincabal group (i.e Wintards) GFY!

Yawn!

Intel

( Windows 7, SP 1)

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

Ford GT — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:12:11 GMT

I just bought Vista Home Premium x64 and so far I have to say I really like it. To echo what Paul was saying on Windows Weekly, nearly everyone I talked to said not to use it. Either it was a resource hog, slower than XP, not enough difference between it and XP or that it had too many driver-related problems. I haven't experienced any of that except for one small issue. After installing my motherboard's chipset drivers Visa keeps telling me that the ICH9(southbridge) didn't have any drivers installed. Supposedly this is a glitch or something.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

DRWAM — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:27:30 GMT

@Mikegalos [and Josh4u]. I am leaving the shore vacation today and will be packing up the Dell laptop. I'll let you know what I find in my Vista system panel when I get home. Yeh, I know, for a jock, I'm such a geek!

Thanks,

Doc

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

chuckb84 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:23:12 GMT

"This is a pro-Windows blog, thus visited by pro-Windows/Microsoft people... so why do you keep coming here and spouting on about how great Mac's are?"

Because Paul keeps spouting out mindless drivel about "iCabal" et al. Of course, that's nothing new. He used to do it on usenet, the old Internet Nexus, and now here. But it is the answer to your question.

If this blog were really what Paul claims it is---about Windows--you'd get your wish and the Mac guys would go away. Paul has, rather sadly I think, made so much of the content into stupid Apple bashing that the whole thing is going downhill.

I have no beef with legitimate criticism. What Paul does wrong is that his rhetoric goes to the lunatic fringe in the Apple-bashing direction to "compensate" for Apple sycophants elsewhere. Well, sorry, two idiocies of equal and opposite polarity do not add up to truth or rationality.

It just adds up to more idiocy.

I think it is now just Dvorak hit-trolling.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

arosania — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:00:34 GMT

As I stated in a previous thread.

All of you. Get a life. Seriously.

I administer a windows network (500+ PCs), and yes, we bought that amount this year as replacements. The licenses on those 500 PCs are Vista Business; However, we can't use vista as our experience with it has been very bad. Lenovo and HP preinstalled XP for us in the PCs/laptops under the vista license.

SP1 corrected some issues and I personally have been working with Microsoft to iron out the problems. Right now I am the lonely vista user at the company.

My wife works at the equivalent of your IRS in my country, and they have had the same bad experiences with vista, but they bought the machines with vista licenses too, and downgraded to XP.

Yes. I can attest that happens. People buy Vista and downgrade. So what? Who really cares? Microsoft dominates and that is not gonna change soon.

@Delmont: The first posts in this thread were the WinCabal baiting the iCabal, so what did you expect? Btw, the avatar of dipshitadmin doesn't help, does it?

@mikegalos: "vista bashing bears little resemblance to reality"? don't make me laugh

@weedmonk: Yes. People buy and downgrade. Personally I have helped more than 25 home users to do so over the last few months. Btw, firefox will NEVER eat IE.

@Raaj: Vista does NOT work in some cases. I have just stated my experiences.

@everyone: Being a Windows IT admin I used to like this site. Right now it is going downhill.

@Paul: Your piece on the road to longhorn was excellent, so I know you can do better that just poke at the iCabal to get visits.

Peace. I'm out.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

Snakedoctor1 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:40:39 GMT

"Yet, it is you Mac people come and flood the comments with reference after reference to Apple."

Like Doc said...."FACTS", you lack them. Please show me just 1 reference I have made to Apple. Or better yet please tell my how I qualify as "Mac people" is it because I dont love Vista as much as the rest?

Oh no your done with this thread.....nm.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

Delmont — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:25:45 GMT

John, Snake.

The point is, atleast to me, most articles on this site are about WIndows and to promote WIndows. Yet, it is you Mac people come and flood the comments with reference after reference to Apple.

Again, I don't hit Appleinsider.com and Macrumors.com and flood their comments with pro-Microsoft stuff all day, every day.

Just because I favor Windows, doesn't take a thing away from OS X. Nothing. ALso, I prefer Windows over Linux. Again, doesn't take a thing away from Linux. If you live Linux, more power to you! Yet, you people act as though someone just slapped your mother.

You state:

"Mac's are growing. They're tiny, but growing. And... so what. Why do you people care so much about Apple? It's as if you just can't stomach a world of diversity. It's not good enough to have 90%. No. Only 100% will do"

No, again, it is you coming to this site and posting your many pro-Apple, anti-Windows comments over and over and creating this debate. Go to your pro-apple websites and blog, or create your own blog.

And for Snake, I state that I use and support both Windows platforms and OS X and you make a very snide remark. Nice. Just more proof of you Apple people's attitudes. "Nice".

Have a good day. I am done with this thread.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

Snakedoctor1 — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:12:45 GMT

Doc, facts are sorely missing from this site, but then again its a blog.

Blogs are nothing more than a way for anyone to publish whatever, with out having to provide facts and get a instant, world wide audience, if anyone cares.

Comments like this

"Because Apple sucks so much.

JamesNT"

are what makes or breaks a blog site. The more you see of this kind of stuff, they less people will want to read it.

re: Windows Vista = Over 180 million licenses sold

DRWAM — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:32:31 GMT

Guys, with that attitude, bashing and disinformation will perpetuate. Deception on both sides, increasing hatred through the world. With a 3% market share [or whatever] why in the world would you lower your level of friendliness. I am not convinced that dishonesty is the intent, rather than honest, and I mean honest mistakes, although no and then it will occur in both of your divided camps of war. Decepetion is always uncovered quickley, and thusly posted all over the media. Apple does not get a pass as there is pleny of proof this week. Anything else is BS, because they sure is heck did get one. This 'iCabal' are such a small population that you should just not let them bother you. Unfortunately there has been a lot of mountain making out of molehills with slander and paranoia that the tiny Apple monster is huge and will harm you if you use it as well as undermines the Goliath MS. So the bottom line is that people who are much less than 3% market share [cabal like] are ruining your day as you feel that they attack your lifestyle, your beloved MS. Don't lower yourselves to the same level. Post a valid rebuttal with facts, and try to ignore the insignifant. Besides, what the heck is it too you? Do you own millions of dollars of Apple stock? Then who cares! Well, I am trying to appeal to the good nature of this community to change thier ways, Mac fans and MS, as I knowthat you are all good people. The proof is the help that you give, free of charge, and on your own time. I wish that this site would start taking the high road as the negativity is drawing me away.

Peace and Love [and rock & roll],

Doc