Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image

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jeffsters — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:54:54 GMT

Funny..."Is that Mac OS X?" (Qualifier: She is a graphic designer. What can you do?) I said, "no, that's Windows Vista." And she replied," Wow. It's really nice looking. I heard it was awful."

Yeah, Vista didn't copy the Mac look...nawww....

re: Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image

arosania — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:28:55 GMT

Heh, Sorry I'm late... Had to take care of a misbehaving cluster...

@shark47: hmmm... a VERY good sysadmin, if I may say (e.g. I deal with things and don't pretend there is nothing happening). I put up with the comments because this USED to be a good site (before the moronizing). And moron is a mature word compared to others used around here.

@cgdams: hmm... Was that an offense? FAIL.

No. time to change operating system. Explorer crashes just trying to manage more than 1000 files over a network server (Vista Ultimate, SP1, Gigabit Ethernet). XP doesn't in the same hardware. Nice fact: XP does not crash in a virtual machine under the vista that crashes. LOL.

@Dip: Thought that too (video card), but its something in the networking stack. Messing around in netsh I have made some progress, but I'm not quite there yet.

BTW. As I was writing this, a friend came to tell me that his HP Photographic printer does not work under vista. I know its not a MS problem, but the incompatibility issues are NOT a lie.

re: Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image

gorath — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:12:14 GMT

@ AVRO

Those numbers of yours certainly do not tally in any part of the UK that I've been to. Is there a secret island somewhere that only i-phone users are allowed access to?

@ mum & Lotsa

Again, almost every video editing facility I've been to uses Avid systems. Smaller "semi-pro" facilities tend to use final cut on macs.

(not my choice of words - large-scale multi-room facilities for TV work = pro, smaller facilities dealing with private jobs = semi pro. That's how the "semi-pro" market was explained to me many moons ago)

However, with respect to Lotsa, I do believe there is much heavier use being made of Final Cut in the states.

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lotsamystuff — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:54:36 GMT

tvbeurope.com/index.php

"According to research specialist SCRI, in 2007 Apple took 49% of the US professional editing marketing with Avid trailing on just 22%."

And about a half-dozen people use Sony Vegas.

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Mum — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:46:26 GMT

Or the generalisation of the PC doing "boring stuff", whereas the mac can do cool stuff like image and video editing etc? funny, last time I looked, video editing was dominated by Avid, running on PCs"

Avid dominates at about 22% of the market, Final Cut struggles far behind at about 49%.

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Avro — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 05:14:32 GMT

@Gorath

Perhaps they just had too much gas!! ;-)

Ever tried visiting an Apple Store?

Ever looked at what people are using at the airport, university or coffee shop?

Ever notice all those Macs on TV?

The BBC reported that 1 in 3 of the hits on their website came from MacUsers.

17% of all schools in the UK use Macs.

We have 28 families on our street. 7 are MacUsers and a few more are thinking about switching to the Mac.

The UK has 3 monthly Mac magazines (MacWorld, iCreate, MacFormat) and one that publishes every 2 weeks (MacUser).

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millsi80 — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:30 GMT

"Microsoft is still trying to figure out just how it will use the Mojave footage in its marketing, though it will clearly have a place."

They should od what burger king is doing with the whopper freakout ads

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gorath — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:00:33 GMT

@ Avro

Sorry, but in real-world, domestic environemts, Macs are nowhere NEAR 1 in 5 in the UK.

Every single home I've been to has at least one PC (I used to assist a gas-fitter in harder times) but I'd say I only know of about 7 people with macs.

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Avro — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:00:45 GMT

A 10 minute demo is a bit different from real world experience.

Having said that about half the Vista users I know love it and the other half hate it. Very perplexing.

I agree when Windows works there is little to complain about. The UI is a bit like a boy scout with a lifetime supply of chocolate covered coffee beans but other than that it is OK.

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subzerohitman721 — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:50:27 GMT

Gotta love those totally random tests. Its like Coke vs Pepsi. All those Coke lovers ended up liking Pepsi better. I was a long time coca cola drinker. I usually drink Pepsi regularly than Coke these days. Mojave just proves that all this pulp fiction about Vista is a bunch of BS. How many more million users will finally shut the critics up?

It seems everyone just needs something to complain about and Microsoft is just the popular target. Yet anyone utters one thing negative about Apple, and their subjected to a mob and figurative crucifixion. I've now seen some articles coming around to Vista defense finally, outside the supersite. It is about damn time.

I'm no expert, but since SP1 both of my Vista machines have had zero crashes. None. Both machines have performed above my expectations. I just upgraded my notebooks memory up to 1.5 GB and the speed is there. I also added a USB thumb drive to use Readyboost. Better than any XP machine I've ever owned or used. I run Aero all the time on both machines with no difficulties.

Go back to XP, 2000, 98, and 95 reviews. We're still hearing the same complaints, from the same anti-Microsoft tech bloggers. Yet each version of Windows has greatly improved on the last. You have to wonder if they are just doing it for a cheap pop. Just to get readers and web hits. Yet over a billion users and counting still use Windows.

And please, don't keep harping the monopoly word. Microsoft has had its fair share of multiple government crackdowns and multiple punishment. The playing field has been leveled and the alternatives are plentiful. If people still buy from Microsoft today, its because they've earned the business.

re: Microsoft looks to 'Mojave' to revive Vista's image

mikegalos@msn.com — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:29:15 GMT

Back on the topic...

There is now a website for the "Mojave Experiment"

www.mojaveexperiment.com

Apparently all will be revealed on Tuesday, 7/29

Right now it just has:

duration: 3 days in San Francisco, July 2008

conditions: Partly Cloudy, 57 degrees

subjects: Over 120 computer users (Mac, Linux, Windows XP and Windows 2000)

hardware: An HP Pavilion DV 2000 with 2GB RAM

technical assistance: A retail computer salesperson

description: Subjects get a live 10 minute demo of the "next Microsoft OS" codenamed "Mojave" - but it's actually Windows Vista