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DRWAM — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:15:28 GMT

That's actually great to hear that the problem was addressed and was/is to be fixed. Still it's kinda hard for me to believe that MS knew how bad the failure rate would be, since massive failures would certainly put the kibosh on future sales, even if MS wanted to be first on race day.

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Lindy — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:29:44 GMT

@shark, if you bought a 360 today I think you would be safe. The latest ones, have a cooler GPU (.65nm) bigger heat sync and new motherboard that uses less power. Next year they are coming out with a version that will have a .65nm CPU and GPU possibly on the same die, which will make them even cooler running.

The latest PS3, 80gig with dual shock controller at $399, released 3 weeks ago, has a .65nm CPU and GPU, which dropped its peak power usage by 70watts, and made the cool running PS3 even cooler.

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Lindy — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 17:21:38 GMT

"I think MSs behavior here is not all that shocking and not all that bad. I think it took a lot of balls to release a product to adhere to a schedule and a business plan."

Or the balls to release it knowing the would have much higher than normal failure rates. Screw Joe User, as long as in the end we (MS) own the gaming industry. Pretty much MS SOP.

"lack of exclusive content is killing sony at the moment." Really? So MSG4 outsold all other games the mont it was released on all platforms and the PS3 also outsold the 360 that month. This fall there is Socom which will be a HUGE hit among the FPS crowd, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, Motorstorm 2 and down the road you have Gods of War III all exclusive to the PS3. MS did take a few but most of them are for the 360 and PS3, ala Final Fantasy. Plus games like Oblivion and BioShock that released later come with more or polished content. Oblivion on the PS3 vs the 360 is night and day. It looks better after a year of enhancements, it loads WAY faster because its allowed to use the hard drive, and the add ons come with the game, where 360 users had use MS points to get them. BioShock is also going to have more content on the PS3 version in November.

I cant imagine who would buy a Hard Drive-less 360?? Unless you were only using it as a media extender that could only stream content. When a game releases a patch, where does it install, on the Memory stick you have to buy???? Also there is costs that people dont think about when buying a 360. I bought re-chargeable batteries, and charging stand and WiFi.

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gorath — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:59:34 GMT

It might be worth adding that one of my friends has had several PS3 failures, due to overheating, even though the system doesn't appear to be restricted of airflow at all. However, he is the only person I've ever known, or even heard of, to have this issue.

Getting a replacement device, however, was very pain free, and the service he received was certainly on a par with that received by the xbox 360 owners.

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DRWAM — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:31:35 GMT

We never considered the Xbox testing environment. I may have been a nice cool place with plenty of airflow, preventing overheats. Going back to my prior posts, I built a PC that ran flawlessly in my nice cool basement, then overheated when I brought it upstairs to my much warmer office, and shoved it into a tight cubby [that was 3 yrs ago and I since cut the back out of the cubby and pulled the box out of it a little. I already had many case fans and a better CPU cooler]. So MS may not have know the full extent of heat problem. Lets face it, no one can predict outcomes of every scenario.

BTW, since I can't do anything today because of my leg, I'll be throwing grenades onto your discussion table and watch you all attempt to disarm them:)

Doc

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shark47 — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:29:17 GMT

"Shark, you are quite correct, hence the smiley face."

Sorry, I missed that. :|

I am actually leaning towards buying an XBox Premium, now that it's $100 cheaper than a PS3. Yes, a PS3 includes a BluRay disc, which makes it attractive, but I'm not really interested in BluRay discs at this point. My only fear is the RROD. I don't know if the reliability problems have been solved and that's stopping me.

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DRWAM — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:13:33 GMT

Shark, you are quite correct, hence the smiley face. People are just stretching definitions here to make an argument on both sides. To be back on target, the price for an Xbox is pretty darn good for a 2 yr warranty. Plus it could last longer. Obviously I like it better as I like FPS games [although I no longer have the time since I'm now married with children], but I don't think that I am too biased to make a decision on the cost vs features and warranty. ALL of my dealings with MS customer service have just been the best. My Vizio PDP got replaced only after I emailed customer service and threatened to post bad reviews about their lack of quality all over the web. They responded in one hr, but only after they told me that the 1 yr warranty on a 3 thousand dollar PDP that has know failures [pop of death] had expired. Dude, I even bought a 5 yr warranty because they were exploding, but the warranty company [sold through Vizio] did not respond for 12 days. The power the web gives you can be amazing.

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gorath — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:57:44 GMT

isn't the "cell" an offshoot of PPC as well?

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j4m3s0n79 — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:53:31 GMT

I have to say.....

I think MSs behavior here is not all that shocking and not all that bad. I think it took a lot of balls to release a product to adhere to a schedule and a business plan. I think it payed off. I think the 360 has established itself as the mainstream console of choice and the lack of exclusive content is killing sony at the moment. EVERYONE is coding multiplatform which is holding PS3 back. Had they waited, it would have been months developers would have spent learing PS3 and months that gamers would have gone without the 360. Ballsy, man...

We need to keep in mind that we are talking about video games here not medications or nuclear reactors. My 360 fried, but now, I can pick up a replacement for $199.00...yay. I also have a ps3 and if it hadn't been for MGS4 and the blueray player..it would be the most expensive dust collector in my house....lol

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shark47 — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:41:32 GMT

"That sounds like monopolistic behavior to me. Just read above for the definitions. :)"

Doc, Microsoft is trying hard not to finish last in the console wars. How in the world is this monopolistic? You're twisting the definition of "monopoly" itself.