Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

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re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:28:06 GMT

tayme

"Some people, especially teenagers, are on their 4th or 5th unit...with the old ones laying around gathering dust. Thats pretty sad, when you think about it."

Of course, with the software upgrades on Zune you see less of this. (The only reasons for replacing your old one are upgrading capacity, deciding you want different Zune Originals engraving or really, really wanting a new color)

Anyone who has an old Zune just lying around gathering dust can feel free to mail it to me!

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:22:18 GMT

chuckb

I've used 41c emulators on Windows CE (back before there was a Windows Mobile) and on Windows mobile devices. I know I've seen them for other phones as well. It seems to be one of the first things people write for a new platform.

It's cool seeing a 16c emulator on iPhone. There aren't that many of us around who even remember it. (I have 3 of them since I ran across two being closed out for $5 each and figured that's backup devices for life)

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

lotsamystuff — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:14:01 GMT

"To me the amazing thing is that you have pretty much the same feature set and UI available in your two year old device as you get with a new one "

For once I agree with Mike. That and a great subscription service are the only reasons I would ever recommend a Zune to anyone. Even then, it's a hard sell IMHO. Nice to see Microsoft innovating in this space, though. The competition is good for everyone.

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

chuckb84 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:56:46 GMT

@Mike

"There have been lots of very good HP41c emulators for touch screen devices for a while. What does multitouch add?

Seriously. I'm really curious. I can't see what it brings since you're emulating a physical device that used single button clicks to begin with."

You're right, it is really just the touchscreen interface, doesn't use multitouch. I was not aware of a touchscreen emulator of the 41c until I saw this one for my iTouch. I'd be interested to know what other devices have 41c touchscreen emulators. I'm just happy to have one on my iTouch :).

For HP-16c, look here:

mac.softpedia.com/.../HP-16C-iPhone.shtml

Haven't tried it, but sounds like what you want....

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

tayme — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:45:15 GMT

I believe that some of the reasons for constant upgrading is to generate new sales. I think that Mike Galos laid out the announcemnt schedule pretty good a while back...with this release, both by Apple and MS, they are setting themselves up for the holiday shopping season. How long have digital media players been on the market? Some people, especially teenagers, are on their 4th or 5th unit...with the old ones laying around gathering dust. Thats pretty sad, when you think about it.

--tayme

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

shark47 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:34:34 GMT

"They'd rather start a new upgrade cycle and disrupt a their own strong product sales than have someone else come in and cannibalize them."

That's not the reason for it. Even with the old form factor, they would have continued selling millions of Nanos. They have to keep making changes to the product line because that's what the people watching the event have come to expect from them. Some of these changes, IMO, are unnecessary, but Apple believes that any kind of change is better than no change at all, and that might be true in their case.

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:27:57 GMT

chuckb

There have been lots of very good HP41c emulators for touch screen devices for a while. What does multitouch add?

Seriously. I'm really curious. I can't see what it brings since you're emulating a physical device that used single button clicks to begin with.

(Now, when they do an hp16c emulator, let me know)

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

Ocean — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:25:05 GMT

>>That said, what's with the frequent changes to the iPod Nano form factor. It was good two years ago. <<

They'd rather start a new upgrade cycle and disrupt a their own strong product sales than have someone else come in and cannibalize them.

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

chuckb84 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:01:32 GMT

Hmm, in advance of the breathlessly anticipated iPod event today, let me undercut my "iCabal" credentials just a bit. Look at this:

www.gizmodo.com.au/.../a_sad_fact_the_ipods_clickwheel_must_die-2.html

I agree with the article that the iPod is getting just a bit, er, "complex". Some "think different" is clearly in order, and the comments about the scalability of the click wheel also apply to whatever the (very similar) thing on the Zune is called.

As to this above from LIndy, "If the rumors of a slightly new looking iTouch, with some possible new features, and the 8gig model at $199 are true, then it will hurt these Zune announcements. I dont care who you are, use a iTouch for a day and you wont want to give it back."

Well, mostly. Sometimes, though, I think it should have been called the iPod Look, because you have to look at the thing to get it to work. I have an old (don't even know what generation, 4th?) iPod classic in my car and it's great. I can push the clickwheel without looking, get tactile feedback and it's great. I tried using an iTouch in the same way and man, that's dangerous.

So, I guess this depends on what you're after. The iPod classic is a great design, but doesn't really seem to scale with more features. The Zune may be a featured-up Classic/Nano, the Touch goes in another direction.

As an aside, old-timers (and RPN freaks, if anyone still cares) should look up

"i41cXP", an HP41c calculator emulator for the iPhone/Touch. Great demo of what the mulitouch interface can do.

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

Waethorn — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:59:06 GMT

"No mention of markets other than the frickin US again, huh?"

It's available in Canada already - has been since shortly after Zune 2.0 launch. No Zune Marketplace (yet) though. Likely it has something to do with having to have a certain amount of Canadian content, which is what Apple had to go through before bringing the iTMS here. I don't have a Zune myself, but the software is a little more streamlined than WMP (which I don't mind at all - it's at least better than iTunes, and a helluva lot more stable).

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

shark47 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:33:40 GMT

That said, what's with the frequent changes to the iPod Nano form factor. It was good two years ago. This is like change for the sake of change. "This is the thinnest Nano ever!!!" Yeah, and the ugliest too.

Waiting for the thread to be locked.

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

shark47 — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 11:30:09 GMT

"If the rumors of a slightly new looking iTouch, with some possible new features, and the 8gig model at $199 are true, then it will hurt these Zune announcements."

And the Nano in that case. Unless, of course, the 8 Gig Nano is $99. Maybe that will be the end of iPod Shuffle.

re: Microsoft confirms Zune 3 news

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:09:29 GMT

Odd, the Gizmodo story didn't show up in their RSS feed under the Zune tag...