Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

DRWAM — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:23:52 GMT

I'm just happy to be annoying to someone, otherwise, I feel left out here.

Actually, I don't quite fit in this community as my IT responsibilities are very limited, but my interest is high, and I use products from many companies. As I've stated before, I'm not loyal to any one company, but expect them to be loyal to me. After all, it was my money that bought their product, so I expect adequate support.

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:52:07 GMT

tayme

To, once again, answer your cute attempts at questions...

1. Please let us know your objections to others' use of a non-Microsoft OS to complete the work that they chose to do, using the tools that they choose to use.

I don't. I object to people lying about other products. If you want to use CP/M on an 8080 that's fine with me. Just don't lie about other products.

2. If a person chooses to spend their own money to buy what they prefer, what business is it of yours?

Again, I don't care what they spend their money on. If you want to spend $4K on a desktop that's fine with me. But don't tell me that a $609 Dell or DRWAM's $400 laptop is, to quote this board, "a piece of shat" or "cheap ***" because it isn't your choice. If you have real reasons, fine, state those and be willing to factually defend them if they're questioned.

3. Please explain why you spend 16 hours a day on Paul's blog fighting a battle that you have no stake in.

Everyone needs a hobby. And correcting lies and "everybody knows" bull is one I like to do when I'm waiting for repies on more serious email and listening to podcasts. (and, no, I don't spend 16 hours a day here so your premises were wrong 3 times out of 3. Kind of like watching a Mac ad.)

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:44:30 GMT

DRWAM

You got a good laptop for $400?

Tell us more!

:-)

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

panache1023 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:41:51 GMT

Tayme,

The questions you are asking is probably the same answer you would find if you asked a relgious jew to convert to christianty, or Islam...or a religious muslim to convert to judaism or christianity...or a religious christian to convert to judaism or islam...or...etc etc.

What's the answer? Probably something like, "No, because they are all wrong, and I'm right"

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:41:50 GMT

Dude

"Microsoft is about choice?"

Compared with Apple? Absolutely.

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:40:47 GMT

Lindy

Nope. In general sales, desktops outsell laptops.

What may have confused you is that in 2005 (not 2003), US RETAIL notebook sales beat desktops for the first time by 50.9% to 49.1%. That, of course, is only true because it ignores the entire online "build and customize" channel where desktops dominate as well as the business channel.

Again, if Apple decides they don't want to compete in the mainstream market is fine. Pretending the market doesn't exist because Apple isn't in it is not.

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

panache1023 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:39:36 GMT

DRWAM,

Your references to your cheapo $400 Acer laptop that runs Vista perfectly is not annoying....what's annoying is that you keep pointing it out to Mike Galos...LOL!

Everyone knows to look for your reference to the $400 laptop. In fact, if you didn't mention the $400 laptop, it just wouldn't be a post from DRWAM! LOL!

There, I mentioned it three times for you! ;)

Also.....one thing...this is American man! If company A wants to sell widget X for $1000, and company B wants to sell the EXACT SAME widget for $1500, they can. They get to set the prices they want to charge...in fact, they should charge the most the can that willing are people to pay, and not a penny more. However, clearly Apple does not sell the same Widget....

Just because Mike Galos doesn't like the fact that Apple is making money hand over fist doesn't mean Apple should lower their prices, or target the cheapo market (where Mike Galos likes to swim).

This still way off point...the point in all this is that taking kids on a field trip to an Apple store is not "CREEPY"......if someone wants to call it "stupid", "foolish", "pointless", etc...whatever...but it's not "CREEPY".

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

tayme — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:35:58 GMT

@mikegalos - You have still failed to answer these 3 simple questions...I truly am curious as to the answers.

1. Please let us know your objections to others' use of a non-Microsoft OS to complete the work that they chose to do, using the tools that they choose to use.

2. If a person chooses to spend their own money to buy what they prefer, what business is it of yours?

3. Please explain why you spend 16 hours a day on Paul's blog fighting a battle that you have no stake in.

Oh, and does anybody know....is Pystar still selling PC's with OS X installed? I can't tell by their website. I think that they were in a legal battle with Apple over it at one point.

--tayme

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Lindy — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:34:11 GMT

I have a black Macbook that is my primary personal computer. I have a T61 for work as well, that I only use for Work. I can use my Macbook for work if I want to deal with Citrix.

I wanted a small notebook, 14inch or smaller but preferably a 13.3 inch which I consider perfect for me. I dont play games on a PC so the video card that used the least power/heat was the best for me. When I was shopping it came down to Dell, Sony and Apple. In the 13.3 inch market area the Macbook was slightly more expensive than the Dell XPS 1330 and way cheaper than the Sony. The Macbook with the ability to run any OS won.

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DRWAM — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:27:10 GMT

I'm not sure if Apple doesn't want to make that line because people should buy what they say they should buy, but actually they don't want to enter the low end market with very low profit margins. I think that they should. Yes it's true that a Xeon WS from Dell or HP is much more expensive, and the comparable all-in one from Dell is about the same price [I actually think the low end Dell with a 320GB HD but 2.33GHz CPU is the same as the iMac with a 2.4 GHz CPU and 250GB HD], but the MBP cost a lot more than the equiv. PC. Mike's point as that people may want to choose a less costly system that will fulfill most or all of their needs. He can even use a Mac user, me as an example with my $400 Acer laptop. I can afford to buy much more, but did not need a more costly Apple laptop. Also, many low end expandable computer can easily fill the needs of the home or business buyer. Subzero mentioned a while back that Psystar made an more affordable Mac, and obviously made money, so why can't Apple? It's because they choose to be in a high margin market. Let's face it, the Mac Mini is really,really low end. While i have never test driven one, I suppose that it too can fulfill many consumer needs, but it is less expandable than similar priced, more powerful Windows PC's. I'm afraid we Mackies can't really win that argument. [Mike, I slipped in that 4400 laptop reference again. I am trying to perpetually annoy everyone with it].

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Dude1313 — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:26:55 GMT

Microsoft is about choice?

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Lindy — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:24:42 GMT

How the hell is it dishonest?

I see desktop computers targeted at corporate business cubes, gamers and serious CAD/3-D modeling type workstation users. Step out of those requirements then the popularity of Desktop computers drops drastically.

Notebooks have been out selling Desktops since what 2003?

The question is does Apple see for their consumer oriented market enough of a need to justify the cost of designing and supporting it? I say no, the iMac fills that need for them and if you read the rumors the Mac Mini is going to be dropped soon because is sales are not good.

If someone is seriously considering switching to a Mac, that the lack of a mid range desktop is NOT even being considered among the things they are considering.

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mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:18:46 GMT

Lindy

If you decide that your only decision point is that your computer runs OS X then you only have one choice in vendor. At which point, the fact that you have vastly limited choices is the cost of meeting your need. But don't pretend that choice wasn't a wildly expensive one.

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:16:49 GMT

scooby

If somebody finds a way to meet your need for a 20" laptop that fits in your pocket and costs $10 then get it. If it's Apple. Great. If it's somebody else. Great.

What I'm saying is figure out the needs first, then find out who best meets those needs.

re: Apple: Get ‘em when they’re young

mikegalos@msn.com — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:14:23 GMT

scooby

"MG is right that their is a gap there, where I disagree is that I don't believe Apple has any requirement to meet that need if it doesn't fit their business strategy."

Nope. I don't feel Apple has any obligation to fill that gap. That's their business decision. I just don't pretend that the gap isn't there or that it isn't a huge segment of the market that Apple is choosing to ignore or excuse that business decision by saying people don't need what Apple chose not to make.

Excusing that business decision by saying that nobody buys desktops or that all-in-one computers are the best choice or that laptops are the only thing people are really buying these days (all of which have been said on this board at various times to justify that gap) is, however, intellectually dishonest.