PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:56:52 GMT

Yep, more content free posts from the Apple Brigade.

Hmmm.

Cloud OS

Cloud Framework

Windows 7 features

Office Web Applications

Office 14 features

Live Framework

Live Mesh Beta

Live Mesh Dev Platform

Live Mesh on the Mac

Live Mesh on Win Mobile

Visual Studio 2010 WPF

Visual Studio Editor extensibility

Windows Live ID and Open ID

versus

An updated fabrication process for laptop cases

Yep. Innovation!

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

DRWAM — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:53:32 GMT

Hi guys. I've been real busy, but will some of this stuff work...ON MY $400 VISTA LAPTOP:)

Gosh, we almost went two whole days without it. Sorry.

Mike, I don't drink much, but have a half glass of wine for me [or a shot of black Sambuca].

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

bettieblu — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:40:21 GMT

Its not my argument, I did not make the video, nor do I care what features Windows 7 has in "M3" or wont care until it ships in 2009 or 2010. Same goes for OS X, that was my whole point. Until it ships..when it ships I dont care.

Of course we would not even be talking about OS X util Mike brought it up. He had to get in a daily bash.

You know the more I look at Mike's picture and Paul's picture, Mike looks like Paul's dad, or older brother. They certainly share the same logic (if that is what you can call it).

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

Waethorn — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:16:33 GMT

"I thought they just sold the beta for $129 and then issued a few dozen service packs to bring it to production quality."

They'd never get to a dozen before charging for a new one....

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:06:52 GMT

Waethorn

OS X has betas?

I thought they just sold the beta for $129 and then issued a few dozen service packs to bring it to production quality. ;-)

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

Waethorn — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:22:59 GMT

"Vista, just watch this video and you can see what Longhorn was and we know what we got with Vista."

Longhorn never exited beta source code stages though, so your argument doesn't have any merit. What I'm saying is that nothing that was previously code-complete was pulled by Microsoft, because they never considered beta's to be free of bugs. Now they do - at least the ones that get released in mass volume. The pre-beta, public beta's, and RC's will be considered finished code for the features that are included. OS X beta's have never historically been considered such.

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

Blakes7 — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:58:43 GMT

It's always puzzled me why Bitlocker isn't available on Vista Business Edition. That doesn't seem to have been addressed in Windows 7 (if this leak is to be believed).

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

bettieblu — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:09:37 GMT

www.appleinsider.com/.../new_snow_leopard_seed_leak_confirms_cocoa_finder_more.html

That took 2 seconds to find with google.

Vista, just watch this video and you can see what Longhorn was and we know what we got with Vista.

www.youtube.com/watch

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

Waethorn — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:23:53 GMT

"MS has never removed features at the last moment? I know they have."

Code-complete features? Go ahead and name some complete features that were out of beta. You can't. WinFS? Sure! It was never complete though. All of the code in the features as they stand in the current pre-beta is polished and code-complete though, meaning it's technically out of any kind of "beta" stage. All they're doing in the "beta" and RC stages is adding features. As they add them, they too will be polished and code-complete. "Beta" in this naming scheme doesn't mean the code quality - it only means the feature set of the product as a whole. As Paul has stated before, they could technically ship what's in the current pre-beta build as the code is finished, polished, and ready-to-go. Windows 7 is not a complete product though, so they'll wait until they have what they feel is a completed package before they RTM.

"There are sites out there that have reported on what's in the latest builds of Snow Leopard, I think one was released over the weekend. However until is ships its all speculation."

All of the Apple builds are released under NDA though, and I have yet to see any kind of developer copy released. Also, go ahead and name a site that lists the features. I'm sure Apple's lawyers will like to know.

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

bettieblu — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:00:40 GMT

And you know for sure that they wont change or be removed for sure? MS has never removed features at the last moment? I know they have.

Everything is speculation at this point. There are sites out there that have reported on what's in the latest builds of Snow Leopard, I think one was released over the weekend. However until is ships its all speculation.

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

lotsamystuff — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:54:56 GMT

Congratulations, "mikegalos"! You waited a whole 30 posts before mentioning Apple (that company that you don't spend any time thinking about) in a non-Apple post! You're showing remarkable restraint. The drugs must be working, eh?

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

Waethorn — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:53:08 GMT

"Fact is right now no one knows what the final version of either will have."

At least right now we can see the features as they stand in Windows 7. They are not from "beta-quality" code because of the development changes made in Windows 7.

Apple hasn't released ANYTHING to do with Snow Leopard though.

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

bettieblu — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:45:38 GMT

Yeah Mike because you have used Snow Leopard for 0 minutes and 0 seconds so your an expert on what it will have??

Fact is right now no one knows what the final version of either will have.

My prediction is that both will be minor improvements to the current versions.

All we know from Paul's post is that 2 of the 5 of the features he listed already exist in Vista. I would think that they are somehow improved if he would list them otherwise why list features that Vista has now.

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

Nickelgreen — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:45:05 GMT

SnowWhat? SantaLeopard?

re: PDC 2008: Windows 7 (M3) pre-beta features leak

mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:58:53 GMT

Master, Shark and Dipsh,

They're just frustrated because even before it's announced it already has more new features than SnowLeopard.