Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

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re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

lotsamystuff — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:39:10 GMT

"One of those is all you need to completely ruin a half-decent laptop."

No, Wae, the sign of a HALF-decent laptop is a DELL logo. The sign of an indecent OS is the sticker that says "Vista".

;-) <----all in good fun

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

Master3 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:37:39 GMT

"It's an essential part of the Windows Ecosystem "Experience". Take a look at whatever CrapBook Paul's running in that shot of the PDC hard drive. The thing SHIPPED with four stickers, and these clowns never take them off. Amazing."

It helps ID what the system is using. Sorry if it POs you that much. I prefer that they stay on. Besides you can remove them anytime.

Soooo angry for an enlightened Mac user.

"If you're going to sully your system with advertising for Intel, Microsoft and others, it's a short step from there to plastering other garbage all over your laptop."

And all of those students with stickers all over their Macbooks are doing what? Let me guess it somthing so much more positive than those stupid PC users.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

Waethorn — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:33:26 GMT

"If you're going to sully your system with advertising for Intel, Microsoft and others, it's a short step from there to plastering other garbage all over your laptop."

At least it doesn't have an Apple logo on it. One of those is all you need to completely ruin a half-decent laptop.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

lotsamystuff — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:55:48 GMT

"Mary Jo sure likes stickers on her computer. I don't know if it's age, gender, using a Mac, or all three, but I just don't DO that."

It's an essential part of the Windows Ecosystem "Experience". Take a look at whatever CrapBook Paul's running in that shot of the PDC hard drive. The thing SHIPPED with four stickers, and these clowns never take them off. Amazing.

If you're going to sully your system with advertising for Intel, Microsoft and others, it's a short step from there to plastering other garbage all over your laptop.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

chuckb84 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:54:32 GMT

The Wa. Post take on it:

www.washingtonpost.com/.../AR2008102801696.html

"Microsoft says next Windows won't be as annoying"

"Michael Silver, an analyst for Gartner Inc., said a smoother debut for Windows 7 is critical for Microsoft.

"The real hurdle is to get Vista's reputation behind them," he said."

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

shark47 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:51:13 GMT

Good point there, master. I was going to say the same thing. The mainstream coverage of tech is usually pretty one-sided.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

lotsamystuff — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:48:43 GMT

It's so much fun to watch y'all argue over minutia. I guess that's all you've got.

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re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

Master3 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:26:47 GMT

""Microsoft Introduces Windows 7, Ending Vista Brand"

"Microsoft introduced what it said would be a slimmer and more responsive version of its Windows operating system on Tuesday, while unceremoniously dropping the brand name Vista for the new product.""

Unceremoniously dropping the brand name Vista for the new product?

IT'S WINDOWS (NAME HERE)!

They never keep the name from OS to OS. Until recently Apple didnt do that either. I wonder what tech journalist would have been brave enough to risk the wrath of the Apple Mob by saying something like this about their OS?

This is just lazy journalism, and the titles use phrases that were the domain of moronic iTrolls.

Thank goodness I dont get my news from a newspaper.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

shark47 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:14:42 GMT

www.istartedsomething.com/.../windows-7-dwm-cuts-memory-consumption-by-50

"Because Windows 7 can take better advantage of the GPU and uses the Direct3D 10.1 API, it is able to reduce reduce memory consumption (in the graphics system) by 50% per each window rendered. On top of that, this is also what enables the much richer animation and styling of the interface like the “color hot-track” feature. Pretty cool huh."

This is possible because the hard work was all done in Vista. Regarding compatibility problems, what can you expect when the entire kernel is rewritten? Also, significant performance improvements are not usually seen immediately. It takes a few years for that.

Anyway, Vista is now still the most secure Microsoft OS out there. It's definitely no Me, as Mac fans (who haven't used it, I may add) love to call it. Vista, at least for me, is a pleasure to use, compared to XP. And I'm hoping Windows 7 continues that.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

Mum — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:07:26 GMT

"The problem is that for most of these tech journalists, a UI refresh is a much more major change than a rewrite of the entire kernel."

That's not "a problem". it's the practical approach. A UI change at best turns a feature from completely useless to a time-and-money-saving killer feature. That's why feature counts make absolutely no difference anywhere else but marketing and that's why software developers and tech geeks so often have no clue what's good and what's bad.

A kernel rewrite for an operating system is a major change to ~99% of users when it dramatically improves performance and security and makes software development easier (the effects of which a regular user will only see in a few years time).

In Vista's case security was greatly improved, but performance got worse and so far compatibility problems have been more visible to the norm user than possible software development benefits.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

chuckb84 — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:50:23 GMT

Mike,

"Vista is less "dead" than "Leopard". "

Hmmmm. The NYT says

"Microsoft Introduces Windows 7, Ending Vista Brand"

"Microsoft introduced what it said would be a slimmer and more responsive version of its Windows operating system on Tuesday, while unceremoniously dropping the brand name Vista for the new product."

Perhaps this doesn't correspond to "dead", but it will certainly do for "terminally ill".

"After almost two years, Windows Vista is still getting a lackluster reception from consumers and facing a relentless marketing barrage from Apple.

The problem was highlighted last week when Microsoft reported its financial results for the most recent quarter. Its Windows unit reported just a 2 percent rise in revenue against a 4 percent decline in operating income. "

www.nytimes.com/.../29soft.html

Like I said in an earlier thread, "Vista" is a dead brand, (And, for the nth time, let me repeat two things: (1) I don't use it, so have no personal experience with it, because the IT dudes don't ALLOW it at work, (2) a "dead brand" is a statement of market perceptions, not technical quality.) However, with those caveats stated: Vista is a dead brand.

I just wonder how the marketplace will react to this in the interim before Windows 7 goes on sale? Obsorne effect even with Microsoft?

And I can't help reflecting on the irony of Paul's comments---repeated many times--that OS X would be in huge trouble once "Longhorn" shipped. Enderle said the same. Didn't quite turn out that way.

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

gorath — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:36:40 GMT

Has anybody mentioned whether multi-touch APIs will work with, for example, two mice (one for left hand, one for right hand, simultaneously)?

I've often thought of a few situations in audio editing in particular, where being able to 'grab both ends' of an audio clip could speed up editing.

And Mike, I agree with you on the search folder issue. People really should know about that feature, and that Libraries is an extension of that.

Even though there's a big "save this search" button in vista's search results folder, people are always surprised when I show them what it does.

The reason for common user misunderstanding, I suspect, is that most stick to using the start menu search, and never actually used the advanced search facility (especially since it was taken from the start menu in SP1)

re: Live from PDC 2008: Day 2

benjwah — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:52:25 GMT

Shiver me timbers, I really, really, really hope that they don't turn the taskbar into the Dock. I honestly hate the Dock. It's one of my main reasons for not buying a Mac.

Next thing you know, they'll be keeping applications running after the application window has closed.

When that happens, I'm taking my XP box into the woods.