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re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

shark47 — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:46:46 GMT

I thought the same thing, Wae.

Anyway, it's funny that Joe should even bring up the laptops issue if it's not a biggie. It almost sounds like he's trying to make a big issue out of it, without appearing to do so.

"Hey, it's not a big deal, but I wonder why no one brought it up. No, really, MS gave laptops to fanboys and no one seems to care? Again, it's not a big deal..."

It's also funny the way he tries to prove he's unbiased.

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

Waethorn — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:34:34 GMT

I wonder if Joe Wilcox was the person that complained about Windows 7 that Paul mentioned in WW.

;)

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

Waethorn — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:32:39 GMT

"You've confused "objective analysis" with "fanboi"."

Funny, but I could say the same thing about you and Dave & Wally's Apple reviews.

Thanks for being the first Mackie to step up though. That was too easy.

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

mikegalos@msn.com — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:54:49 GMT

Lotsa

As I said, Joe "Apple Watch" Wilcox peddling himself as neutral is really amusing.

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

lotsamystuff — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:48:28 GMT

Wae, did you even RTFA?

Here's part of what Wilcox had to say:

"Why is nobody making a ruckus? Because it's no big deal now and shouldn't have been one nearly two years ago."

"It's unprecedented for Microsoft to hand out hardware and software to so many reviewers and bloggers this early in a Windows version's development cycle. Clearly, Microsoft wants to get a positive message out about Vista's successor. More importantly, the move shows the Windows team's confidence in 7's reliability, stability and usability. "

"The conflict of interest wasn't Microsoft's but bloggers who used the loaner program to raise their stature and increase clicks."

"Microsoft is managing early Windows 7 perceptions surprisingly well, and this newer laptop loaner program is excellent example."

"Because of Vista, the Windows perception-messaging team has a tough job ahead. But this week's Windows 7 keynote and laptop loaner program started the process in a positive way. "

Doesn't sound like jealousy to me at all. You've confused "objective analysis" with "fanboi". Not the first time for you, and I'm sure it won't be the last. I know it's hard for you to realize that everyone doesn't have the Vista logo tattoed on their posterior like you and "mikegalos" do, but sometimes it really IS possible to both praise and slap Microsoft at the same time. Wilcox is right--Microsoft is influence-peddling. Not that there's anything wrong with that, or so he says.

If you'd pull your head out of your *** long enough to actually read, maybe you could stop calling Wilcox "jealous". Don't you have a "helper cat" to feed or something?

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

Waethorn — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:08:23 GMT

"To say it was just add ons was to sell short the fact this was part of the RTM information wave selling points."

I still have the launch posters that were given out to partners. Nowhere on them do they mention Ultimate Extras. Nowhere!

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

Waethorn — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:07:23 GMT

"This is so funny. Joe didn't get a laptop so he's calling anyone who got one at the PDC a "fanboy""

Jealousy, thy name is Joe Wilcox.

Where are all the Mackie's here to argue over this?

All I have to say is, "turnabout is fair play".

Need I bring up Dave, Wally, and Goober again?

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

subzerohitman721 — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 01:48:29 GMT

Killing Ultimate Extras was a good idea. Microsoft should have done this better and it never really materialised. The problem was that for some people they saw this as part of the Ultimate pricing. To say it was just add ons was to sell short the fact this was part of the RTM information wave selling points. Microsoft did fumbal the football here and not adding it to Seven helps ends more criticism.

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

mikegalos@msn.com — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:58:18 GMT

shark

Seeing Joe "Apple Watch" Wilcox peddling himself as neutral is really amusing.

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

DRWAM — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:36:49 GMT

Me too nickle. My buddies and I did not even care about Ultimate extras. We just wanted to be ready for all business and networking needs. I did not even know that there would be extras.

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

shark47 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:27:38 GMT

This is so funny. Joe didn't get a laptop so he's calling anyone who got one at the PDC a "fanboy" :-):

www.microsoft-watch.com/.../microsoft_gives_bloggers_laptops_again.html

"I could be more critical, because of conflicting objectives: Microsoft peddles influence, whereas I seek to present the most factual information—and that might not be favorable to the company. No offense intended, I would consider some of the bloggers receiving Windows 7 laptops as being decidedly pro-Microsoft. They're fanboys. By handpicking people more likely to write positively, Microsoft seeks to gain positive influence."

re: Windows 7 factoid: Ultimate Extras is dead

Waethorn — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:11:18 GMT

"Fact is that it was heavily promoted"

Sorry, but that's just not true. There were no real marketing materials about Ultimate Extras in the partner channel. It was tacked on. Anything in it was a bonus, but a key selling point it was not. I know - I received all the Registered Partner marketing materials at launch, and still do.

"Ultimate (which has all features of all versions and is typically for professional geeks who need to work with corporate features at home or home features at work)"

Microsoft promotes Ultimate for small business users that don't have a server. Why? Mostly because of Bitlocker and because small business users sometimes use multimedia features on the go, or use their laptop at home. In an environment with no server, security is usually not a top priority (otherwise they'd have one). If the company ever upgrades, they already have domain support in Ultimate, making it an easy migration.

Larger business users will likely an enterprise agreement or purchase SA on top of OEM licensing, so they'll get Bitlocker as a benefit of SA. They would typically buy Vista Business, and adding SA means they upgrade Business to Enterprise.

Vista Business is the preferred option for business users with a server, because in a domain environment, the IT staff like to keep the systems locked down. That means removing non-essential features such as multimedia.