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re: Apple Tax 2.0

Waethorn — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:52:35 GMT

"May I just point out that Waethorn has wasted his time bashing the G4 and discussing the compatibility of the as-yet-unreleased Snow Leopard."

Time. Well. Spent.

BTW: Are you going to keep spouting lies in every comment you create on your Intui-type keyboard? I thought you were done with this page after all.

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johnpapola — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:19:34 GMT

May I just point out that Waethorn has wasted his time bashing the G4 and discussing the compatibility of the as-yet-unreleased Snow Leopard. In addition to be lord of the shills, he's grand master of the strawmen.

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Waethorn — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:18:36 GMT

"I don't remember responding to a comment like that; I did, however, laugh at your pathetic attempts to troll Apple stores for customers."

What's more pathetic? Me picking up customers from those stores? Or the people that work there?

Ask my customers that and see what they have to say.

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lotsamystuff — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:19:18 GMT

"And when I already said that, losta and johnpapola didn't believe me."

Citation, please?

I don't remember responding to a comment like that; I did, however, laugh at your pathetic attempts to troll Apple stores for customers.

My experience with Apple support has been generally excellent, unlike my nightmare with DELL, not to mention the local Bargain Basement PC Hut Shops (aka "McWae Shacks"). I've never had to deal with an Apple "Genius", but the sales reps I've met in the stores have run the gamut. Some are merely OK, others are brilliant. Just like everywhere, I suppose. I had always assumed the vetting of the folks behind the "Genius" bar was better, but I could be wrong. Certainly the success of the Apple stores would indicate they're doing something right, despite the anecdotal evidence supplied by PC Vendor "Waethorn".

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Waethorn — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:00:58 GMT

"I still laugh about the Genius Bar comment though. Those guys are not very good at what they do. Or are they, they always try to sell you something new, rather than fix the problem."

And when I already said that, losta and johnpapola didn't believe me.

"And now it is MS' turn to exploit a truth...Apple computers generally cost more than a Windows based PC. They may as well run with it. It is a true statement."

Ditto there too.

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tayme — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:54:43 GMT

@Avro -

The Ivy league is hardly a cross section of the US. It is mostly the rich that send their kids to one of those schools. Try some of the state run universities, and I would guess that the numbers are much lower.

I still laugh about the Genius Bar comment though. Those guys are not very good at what they do. Or are they, they always try to sell you something new, rather than fix the problem. Now, as far as sending in something to Apple Support...I have never tried that, so they very well may be top notch.

And now it is MS' turn to exploit a truth...Apple computers generally cost more than a Windows based PC. They may as well run with it. It is a true statement.

--tayme

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lotsamystuff — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:54:14 GMT

DRWAM, in the interest of full disclosure, I'll say that (aside from the obvious issues of speed), I almost prefer running the Quicksilver machines. 10.5 is very capable, but still buggy IMHO. Remarkably, on those ancient 867 MHz machines, I can simultaneously edit video, burn a DVD, and have mail, IM and any number of other programs running without a hitch. The first time I imported video while burning a DVD I thought for sure I'd blow the system up, but it ran perfectly. The only other system that I've enjoyed as much was the PowerMac 9500/150 (yes, 150 MHz) that ran an Avid system. That thing was a rock. Hard to believe you could push video through it, but it was an amazing system.

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lotsamystuff — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:52:10 GMT

It's so interesting to see the company that barely even thinks about Apple (per "mikegalos") putting out stuff like this on the eve of CES. I'm sure MonkeyBoy considers Apple to be an annoying little gnat buzzing around his inflated head, but he sure is spending a lot of time swatting at it

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tayme — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:49:10 GMT

@mikegalos - To what in Barnum's life were you referring, then? Care to elaborate?

--tayme

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Waethorn — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:39:42 GMT

You know, I look at the Core i7. Ok, it's great. It's the new platform and all. It's fast. It rocks your balls off. But I can see the Nehalem architecture turning into the elephant in the room just like Netburst was so few years ago.

I would almost bet money that in a couple years time, they'll be looking back on the Atom, and adapting that technology into mainstream processors by adding multiple low-power cores but at an increased scale, just like the late Core microarchitecture, which took technology from the Pentium M (which itself took technology from 2 generations prior - the Pentium 3).

Atom will likely turn into the Cell 2.0. :) Funny that.

re: Apple Tax 2.0

Waethorn — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:32:01 GMT

BTW: It looks like OEM's want Intel to hold off on a Core i7 mobile platform. That spells bad news for an iMac i7.

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DRWAM — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:11:29 GMT

lotsa, I still use a G4 AGP tower upgraded from 450MHz to 1.25GHz. It works fine and I have full Leopard updated running without a glitch. Before I bought an [Intel] Mac Pro Tower, I used it to make family DVD's. I preferred it over my 3.4 GHz P4 with XP using a few DVD making apps.

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mikegalos@msn.com — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:46:28 GMT

Lindy

"I love how they drop out this list of hardware, most of which will probably be old.....um tomorrow after Apple announcements. "

Probably time for you to hang up your Apple Industry Analyst cap. (Well, actually, you did about as well as they did)

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Avro — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:39:58 GMT

@ tayme

Pizza Box

I have looked at the figures and droves of US undergraduates are buying MacBooks . I believe the figures for the Ivy League are 53% of freshmen are showing up with MacBooks and at Yale it has gone from 8% to 62% in just a couple of years. Big student discounts for Macs and sweeteners like an iPod Touch thrown in no doubt help sales.

iLife The adverts are "Get a Mac" and iLife comes with every new Mac so my comment is legitimate.

The advert was about viruses predates Vista, but FYI between 2002 and 2007 Apple had 38 Major OS releases compared to Windows with 7. Apple patched 815 vulnerabilities while Windows patched 678. Furthermore Apple vulnerabilities tend to be due to new code while Windows ones tend to be exploits that have existed in Windows since perhaps Windows 95 but are just being discovered.

As far as support goes the Consumers Association both here in the UK and in the US rates Apple top for service and support as well as customer satisfaction. Quality like that costs.

I take your points about Vista. I think it is much better than its reputation deserves but it has a very poor image and Apple did manage to exploit that.